Same sex campouts

[Stevedaoust]

With all this talk about kid nudist camps and the such, maybe we should explore those CAMPOUTS FOR MEN ONLY or whatever they're called. That is, there's agroup of guys that go into the wilderness to be primative and explore their primative manly side, away from the wife/g-f. Dance around the campfire naked and chant while donning war paints.
Ok, this is just an example but what if we were to have a campout for JUST GUYS or JUST GIRLS, for "X" weeks.
The idea here is a branch off of nude youth camps but with a legal twist. Sure it's not a get-away-from-momanddad but it'll allow Dad and son or Mom and Daughter to bond as men/woman in THAT way. Swim or be nude, hunt or whatever the agenda may be without the drawbacks of the opposite sex with a NO holds bar. It's not DAD it's another guy; it's not MOM it's another female.
Just one of my Hmmmm's?

Steve

[Stevedaoust]

With all this talk about kid nudist camps and the such, maybe we should explore those CAMPOUTS FOR MEN ONLY or whatever they're called. That is, there's agroup of guys that go into the wilderness to be primative and explore their primative manly side, away from the wife/g-f. Dance around the campfire naked and chant while donning war paints.
Ok, this is just an example but what if we were to have a campout for JUST GUYS or JUST GIRLS, for "X" weeks.
The idea here is a branch off of nude youth camps but with a legal twist. Sure it's not a get-away-from-momanddad but it'll allow Dad and son or Mom and Daughter to bond as men/woman in THAT way. Swim or be nude, hunt or whatever the agenda may be without the drawbacks of the opposite sex with a NO holds bar. It's not DAD it's another guy; it's not MOM it's another female.
Just one of my Hmmmm's?

Steve

[Snoboy]

I think the idea of "all guy" or "all gal" retreats to do such things as you suggest are great ways to reduce stress, bond with others,and learn ways to more effectively interact with other's of either sex. I know I would participate 100%. Perhaps INA could sponsor such workshop weekends where certain topics could be covered that promote good and healthy nudism and also deal with individuals problems in living. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[MikeJB]

So yeah like a nude "guys night out" or something like that would be great but honestly I think that having nude events being co-ed is better because people can mingle more and its better to get people used to being nude around the opposite sex but these same sex things are fun too sometimes, I just think there needs to be a little of both.

[RalphVa]

Sorry, I don't like just doing a guy thing. I like gals better.

[fred950]

While I think it is a good idea and may help some people overcome body fears. However, I can also just hear what the Homophobia branch of the religious right might say about it. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

[Trailscout]

Fred,

The YMCA used to have an Indian Guides program to help fathers and sons form lasting friendship and trust. It was very successful in its day and it had a strong Christian emphasis.

If boys bond successfully with their father with programs such as this, it does not cause boys to lose their gender identity, it strengthens their self-esteem and lays a strong foundation for normal heterosexual development.

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
If boys bond successfully with their father with programs such as this, it does not cause boys to lose their gender identity, it strengthens their self-esteem and lays a strong foundation for normal heterosexual development. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>LOL. You learned this where?

I was in Indian Guides, and my Dad and I both turned out hetero.

One of my friends there didn't. He and his Dad had a great father-son relationship anyway, so I guess they were bonded successfully enough to prevent his homosexuality from hurting them. Now THAT is an Indian Guides success story.

-Mark

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:

If boys bond successfully with their father with programs such as this, it does not cause boys to lose their gender identity, it strengthens their self-esteem and lays a strong foundation for normal heterosexual development. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Nobody loses their gender identity and turns gay. I'd love to know where you get your info from. Obviously it isn't a site backed up with scientific evidence.

[Snoboy]

Cyndiann...Brava! We finally agree on something. Have a wonderful day. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Trailscout]

Mark,

I hope I made it clear that I respect the Indian Guides for their effort to strengthen father and son relationships. I was in the program and I have firsthand knowledge of the benefits of it.

I have no idea what Snoboy is talking about, so I'll let him explain himself in detail if he cares to.

Cyndiann, Naturist Mark and I have offered evidence that same-sex functions or youth programs do not affect sexual orientation. I have not proven that Indian Guides or similar programs can change sexual orientation, nor do I want to. I was simply trying to demonstrate that the RRR have baseless fears about such things.

Would you care to offer your opinion why some people turn out gay and some don't? Is it purely random or is it a genetic mutation? Is it the result of a variation in upbringing? I would be interested to read your opinion.

[Rex]

Ever since I was into puberty, I've much preferred mixed company.
I learnt to dance when I was 16. When a lot of my friends were going to the pub to get some bottled confidence, before they went to the dance, I went and got amongst the girls.
I came to Australia coming up to 42 years ago. I was told that, at Australian parties, the men sat around the beer keg, and talked about such things as work, cars, and Australian Rules Football, and the women sat in their group and talked about womens' things, [maybe like how unreasonable their menfolk are].
I preferred to dance with my wife, and it never went against me.
I've got nothing against male only, or female only, functions, but to me it seems unnatural, and in the case of male only, possibly fostering chauvinism.

[Rex]

For those interested in why some people are gay, have a look at http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/scotts/bulgarians/mainpage.html
Click on: Scientific evidence for a genetic basis of sexual orientation.
Also, click on: Religion.

[Bob S.]

I think Trail was saying that the bonding that can occur from one-on-one time between father and son will lay a great foundation for the future of the boy (assuming the father is of moral character--treats others with respect). It also does not cause a boy to become gay just because he and dad are naked in the same tent.

The issue some of you have is heterosexual development resulting. I think some of you are taking this phrase a bit too far. I think Mark had a great story of a bonding resulting in a better relationship between father and son so much that father accepted son's homosexuality.

And I know I'll regret this, but here I go. Trail, I believe that people are born wit a tendency toward either hetero- or homo- sexuality. Which one someone eventually realizes they are is dependent on which side of the tendency they fall on and if they are somewhat in the middle, environment.

Bob S.

[Trailscout]

Bob, that's what I was saying. You are a role model for children and can see this situation first hand.

A friend of mine worries that if his pre-school son sees nude men, that he will "fixate" on them and turn into a homosexual. I don't know where he gets such a notion. I don't think the gay/straight ratio of kids raised as nudists is markedly different from the general population.

I have read anecdotal evidence that children who are sexually abused are more prone to develop same-sex orientation and become abusers themselves.

I don't dispute the possibility of genetic predisposition to one orientation or the other. It's just that human minds are overall far more prone to develop cultural traits in response to environmental stimuli than to heredity.

It would be interesting to see studies of identical twins separated at birth and raised in different cultures, not just different homes of the same culture.

I have a hunch that it is better for children of both sexes to spend lots of time together socializing. And if they are nude, it is even better. Girls and boys are going to be different, but they should not be a total mystery to one another.

But why can't take a little time out for the men to teach boys what they want to pass down to the next generation? We have thousands of years of human history of men taking boys hunting and girls learning crafts from the women of their village. With that lengthy history of same-sex mentoring, it is ridiculous to worry that it would warp the child.

[Bob S.]

"I have read anecdotal evidence that children who are sexually abused are more prone to develop same-sex orientation and become abusers themselves."

As for becoming abusers themselves, there is a great deal of evidence that some victims, especially those who never tell about their abuse, are more inclined to abuse others later on.

But there is no evidence that I know about that suggests that those same victims are any more prone to homosexuality than their non-victimized peers. Now the abuse may lead them to become more sexually active and with their past, they may engage in more impuslive behaviours, so if they are homosexual, they will show it more often than their non-victimized peers.

And let us not confuse consensual peer or adult homosexuality with sexual abuse. Heterosexual men are as likely as homosexual men to prey on boys.

Bob S.