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03-21-2003, 06:36 PM

RT here again with his penny

I Just want to apologise to all the INA Forun dudes and dudets for all my posts against this war with Iraq and war in general.

I'm anti war, war in general, and if I have upset anyone with any of my comments I apologise.

I respects people opinions and believes but I wish everyone in this world would do the same and all just get on. This world is big enough for us all to share.

Once again my apologies if I have upset anyone.

RT

03-21-2003, 06:36 PM

Bartamus

03-21-2003, 07:10 PM

RT: The debate on this forum has been lively.
But then again the war is a subject that has
created huge divisions worldwide.
You feel strongly that this war is wrong, a lot
of people do. We always welcome your input here. Even though there are those on these boards
who strongly disagree with you, we all share
the common bond of naturism and that is a
peaceful lifestyle that is worth supporting.

wannabenaked2001

03-21-2003, 08:10 PM

RT,

No need to apoligise. We all have our opinions, and should be free to express/debate them in a rational, intelligent manner. If nothing else, these debates help us to seek out the facts, and alternative views of the truth.

I for one support the war in Iraq, although I will not debate the issues while our troops are under fire. This is a personal decision, and I do not think badly of those who wish to continue the debate. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

03-21-2003, 08:38 PM

RT,
There's no need to apologize for having an opinion. I'm against war and killing, but as I said sometimes it's a necessary evil to rid the work of a destroying force.

I too wish that everyone could get along, but that will never happen in a world where some people want to destroy others instead of loving them. It seems that a difference of opinion with some people means destroying those with whom they disagree. Those people want to dominate and rule others with an iron hand, crushing and destroying anyone who opposes them. Such people need to be stopped, and war is unfortunately the only way to stop such people.

EricNY

03-22-2003, 12:46 AM

Hey man don't worry about!
We all want peace and no war!

I'm just galad we can have peace with each other here, brother.

One thing that we all need to remember these are tough and tense times, it is easy to get upset and crazy about issues that we all feel strongly about.

Take care RT

ercNY

greensunshine

03-22-2003, 05:24 AM

I too am not in favor of the war, but sometimes in order to give freedom to someone who isn't able to enjoy it, one has to step in and take control...just like we are doing now.

May God Bless everyone who is caught in the middle of the terrorism be free some day and soon.

Greensunshine in the Pacific NW /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PS

Thank You Everyone, for the sacrifices you are making on behalf of these people to set them FREE once again...the news headlines are clearly showing this is not a war over oil but over "Freedom" as many have never known over there /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Rik

03-22-2003, 05:35 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by greensunshine:
I too am not in favor of the war, but sometimes in order to give freedom to someone who isn't able to enjoy it, one has to step in and take control...just like we are doing now. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>So you're in favor of the war then!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Thank You Everyone, for the sacrifices you are making on behalf of these people to set them FREE once again...the news headlines are clearly showing this is not a war over oil but over "Freedom" as many have never known over there /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>LOL. And you believe the headlines? This war is currently being descibed by some as "The Mother of All Propaganda Wars".

Operation Iraq Freedom? Huh! It should have been called Operation Iraq Liberation (think about it).

Rik

Frank R

03-22-2003, 08:57 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bartamus:
RT: The debate on this forum has been lively.
But then again the war is a subject that has
created huge divisions worldwide.
You feel strongly that this war is wrong, a lot
of people do. We always welcome your input here. Even though there are those on these boards
who strongly disagree with you, we all share
the common bond of naturism and that is a
peaceful lifestyle that is worth supporting. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>May I just add that I am in total agreement with Bartamus. The one part I especially enjoyed is "we all share the common bond of naturism and that is a peaceful lifestyle that is worth supporting." We will often disagree on other topices but lets keep in mind the things we share.

Trailscout

03-22-2003, 10:44 AM

Rik,

Until you can justify the oppression of the Irish people by British troops in Ulster, you don't have the moral high ground to lecture Americans on Iraq. Your occupation of India was equally bad, but I will not press the issue since it was so long ago. Now about Gibraltar, isn't it time to let the Spanish have it back? And then Malvinas, did you liberate them from Argentina not so long ago?
As a resident of Britain's 13th American colony, I guess it colors my view of things, but I am rather glad we were "liberated" from you guys!

Rik

03-22-2003, 02:31 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
Until you can justify the oppression of the Irish people by British troops in Ulster, you don't have the moral high ground to lecture Americans on Iraq. ! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I am not lecturing anyone, simply offering an opinion. However, in comparing the "British opression of the Irish people" with the current American led attack on Iraq you seem to be suggesting that the purpose of the war with Iraq is to oppress the Iraqi people. Are you sure the two things are comparable?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Your occupation of India was equally bad... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>My occupation? Before my time I'm afraid.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>As a resident of Britain's 13th American colony, I guess it colors my view of things, but I am rather glad we were "liberated" from you guys! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Why?

Rik

Bartamus

03-22-2003, 04:14 PM

Folks: We are getting into the bad habit on these
forums of ignoring the original post.
Rik: Please go back and re-read RT's post. He
essentially says he agrees to disagree.
If you want to fight the war all over again,
create a new topic..and go for it!

Suntied

03-22-2003, 05:03 PM

REPEAT:

I know I don't know that much about politics, Britain, Iraq or oil. But some of the things said in this post (and others) seem ridiculous.

I know that Rik will put another picture up of me with my head in the ground for this one... but, once again, I will take it in stride.

Truth is a myth. Freedom is a myth. Governments of countries control the amount that we are allowed to know. All governments!!!!! Thus altering the truth. We are not free to roam the streets without being clothed!!!! Thus we are not truly FREE (along with many other restrictions for textiles).

Here is my view on the war in Iraq: The government of my country felt, after voting and approving, that military action would be necessary if the weapons possessed by Saddam Hussein were not revealed and destroyed by such a date (this was approved by the government not President Bush). They were not revealed or destroyed; they were used on day one (some). Seems the government of the United States of AMERICA knew what they were talking about.

We... Americans... are the most powerful military force in the WORLD! It is a tough job, but someone has to do it... KEEP WORLD PEACE!!!!

So, as a world power or THE world power, we could just go out there and blow everybody up... kill then all... BUT WE DON"T!!!!

We are humane and decent, but we are strong. Sometimes, one must use his strength for the good of the weak. Which means destroying the evil.

Imagine a world were there is no pain and suffering, because the governments of each nation have found a way to maintain peace and prosperity in each of their countries without death and destruction. Myself... I haven't had my life threatened since HIGH SCHOOL until 9/11/01. Try to threaten my life now! I won't back down or give in.

I WILL FIGHT!!!

Peace will come if the evil is gone.

Give me a gun and a ticket and I'm there!
GOD BLESS AMERICA!
Bart/Suntied /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Trailscout

03-22-2003, 05:49 PM

RT,

If we ever meet down under I'd buy you a beer for your concilliatory words that got ignored in this thread amidst all the shouting. Of course, I would buy you a Miller or a Coors and not one of those swamp water Fosters! /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

I would love to visit Sydney one of these days, but I am scared to death of funnel web spiders. If they bite you in the night, you wake up dead!

Seriously, I don't like war and I don't think most of the people who support the war in Iraq are really eager for all the death and destruction.

If we disagree, it is that I think that there are some things worse than war. 12 years of sanctions brought starvation and misery to untold numbers of Iraquis. If the war doesn't last long and it takes the lives of these bloody brutal dictators and not too many civilians, isn't it the lesser of two evils?

Now you are not a true nudist if you disagree with me on this issue, but we can still be friends. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

EricNY

03-22-2003, 07:44 PM

RT: thanks for your heartfelt apology, I am sure that everyone accepts.

Trailscout...How exactly DO you WAKE UP DEAD? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Bartamus

03-22-2003, 09:02 PM

Suntied: Please refrain from attacking Rik and read MY Post!
Thank You

Suntied

03-22-2003, 09:16 PM

I realized I posted in the wrong area... I apoligize.
/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Rik

03-23-2003, 01:30 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bartamus:
Folks: We are getting into the bad habit on these
forums of ignoring the original post.
Rik: Please go back and re-read RT's post. He
essentially says he agrees to disagree.
If you want to fight the war all over again,
create a new topic..and go for it! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I agree that these topics wander off the point but my two posts here have been in response to Greensunshine's post which had no relevance to the topic and Trailscout's foray into British oppression in various parts of the world. I have not criticized RT, indeed I support his views.

Rik

Bartamus

03-23-2003, 08:13 AM

Rik: Sorry to single you out. I am always hoping everyone gets my message.

RT has sent me an e-mail indicating he will no longer post topics because of the open hostility
exhibited on this forum. I told him we need his
input here as we do all of you. This is a difficult time for the world. I too have strong feelings about this war, but let's all remember why we check the forum everyday and post our responces. This is the International Naturists Association forum. We are by nature an open minded group. Let's remember that first before opening "fire" on those who disgree with our views

03-23-2003, 08:23 AM

It's difficult not to reply to something someone says even though it has nothing to do with the original topic--particularly if the "off-topic subject" is something of interest to another person. Then we get off on a "rabbit trail" and lose sight of the topic. Of course, for me the original topic sometimes isn't as interesting as the off-topic subject.

Rik

03-23-2003, 08:48 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bartamus:
RT has sent me an e-mail indicating he will no longer post topics because of the open hostility exhibited on this forum. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Bart, I really don't think there is any open hostility on this forum. Strong views for sure but not hostility. This is a difficult time for everyone and I guess most people feel some passion when it comes to discussing the rights and wrongs of the war. As you say, we are all open minded by nature and that is a true strength for I'm sure it enables us to openly debate without resorting to the sort of personal attacks so common of other boards and newsgroups.

It is also a credit to yourself that you do not over-moderate - you do just enough to keep us in check. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif So many thanks.

Rik

AussieBeachBoy

03-23-2003, 01:22 PM

Hey Trailscout, don't let the funnelwebs scare you away from Sydney! It often surprises me how many foreigners (and Americans in particular) consider Australia is seething with hideously dangerous creatures wanting to inject you with venom whenever!

And as for the beer - don't worry, most Australians don't drink Fosters anyway. It's the pissweak beer we make for exporting overseas so's we can keep the good stuff here! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And RT, I'd encourage you to keep posting, if you feel you're able. I haven't noticed anything in your posts that I think potentially offensive, except to someone who is not open to alternative views. A diversity of views is good. I would hope that everyone can realise there is room for a diversity of opinions on the issue of the war. Just so long as we don't stoop to personal abuse, or arguing against other on the wrong grounds (ie personal abuse).

03-23-2003, 02:00 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by RT:
RT here again with his penny

I Just want to apologise to all the INA Forun dudes and dudets for all my posts against this war with Iraq and war in general.

I'm anti war, war in general, and if I have upset anyone with any of my comments I apologise.

I respects people opinions and believes but I wish everyone in this world would do the same and all just get on. This world is big enough for us all to share.

Once again my apologies if I have upset anyone.

RT <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I feel you have no need to apologize. There isn't anyone on this planet that likes war.

I feel Saddam was a bad man and that those people in Iraq will be better off without him but I don't know why it had to happen this week. There was nothing urgent going on that we had to attack now.

Please don't stop posting.

Trailscout

03-23-2003, 05:05 PM

Bart,
The solution is obvious:

Please create a personal abuse forum for all those people who like to launch personal attacks and for those people who like to be on the receiving end of abuse.
Then they will be so busy abusing one another on that forum that the other threads on INA will be full of friendly respectful dialogs.

NoodJuggler

03-23-2003, 06:42 PM

War Bad /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
Peace Good /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
War started /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
TOO BAD /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
Don't protest /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
Not Good /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
Have Fun /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Stay nude /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Bartamus

03-23-2003, 08:22 PM

Cyndiann: You're absolutely right. There was no
reason to attack now..as opposed to last August
or January of 2002. George W. Bush must be a
gambling man cause he's staking his second term on this war. (The preceding was my opinion only and does not necessarily reflect the views of INA)

Trailscout: An abuse thread is an interesting idea. I like it. But I know Corky would never go along with it.

03-27-2003, 01:42 AM

RT here again with his penny.

Thanks for all the kind words of wisdom and thanks for accepting my apology.

As Bart said, I did send him a private email with my concerns of not posting again as it seams that every time I post, the post ends up down the wrong track.

From all the words of wisdom in this post sent my way, I have decided to stick it out and continue to post on the INA Forum Boards.

Us yougens have to keep the lifestyle going.

RT.

EricNY

03-27-2003, 01:49 AM

EXCELLENT RT,

May I have the privilege of being the first one to welcome you back. I am glad that you changed your mind.

Welcome back my freind!!!!!

ercNY

ps.(sorry about the penny thing everybody is tense, no hard feelings brother.) /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JonR

03-27-2003, 02:46 PM

RT

I see no need to apologise for your comments about the war in Iraq. People here have different opinions - all part of life's rich pattern, but my own view is that I'm against the idea of war.

Having said that, Bush and Blair have started it, and once the blue touch paper is lit they have to deal with the consequences. The coalition forces are winning - but at what cost?

The human cost of war is always grim - 300 British killed in the Falklands war 21 years ago, and now, one of the first eight Royal Marines accidentally killed when a US helicopter crashed last Thursday came from a town only 15 miles from here. He was 24 years old. 24. What a waste of a life.

Incidentally, this will be my ONLY post on the subject!

Jon.

Naturist Mark

03-27-2003, 03:54 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> There was no
reason to attack now..as opposed to last August
or January of 2002. George W. Bush must be a
gambling man cause he's staking his second term on this war. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The interesting thing is that if Bush was timing the war to help his (re)election campaign he struck too early.

I was convinced he was going to let Saddam play games with the inspectors for a whole year, and then start the war next winter when it was obvious even to the French what was going on, and by-the-by the president would be untouchable during the primary season and would be elected during the post-war honeymoon period in the fall.

Instead he is following the same timetable his father did, and like his dad risks voters actually focusing on his domestic agenda on election day.

I'm pleased that Bush apparently does not have a venal political imperative behind the war, or at least its timing. I'm still not sure why he chose this time for it- it is very problematical with respect to the war on terrorism, even after taking account the intersection of proliferation and terrorism.

I'm very pleased that the people of Iraq will soon be free of the terror they have been living under. Saddam has killed far more Iraqies than we ever could, and continues to kill more of his own people in this war than we are.

I'm not sure it should be OUR job to free oppressed people, but I am pleased to see it happen.

Bartamus

03-27-2003, 08:37 PM

NaturistMark1: It's good to see some interesting
political thought on these boards. I greatly
enjoyed your view on Bush's timing in terms of
his re-election. Here's one you can chew on.
Had he waited until the winter of 2003 and
launched this military effort as his re-election
campaign got underway..it would be a tremendous
gamble. He would not know the duration of the
war, the level of enemy opposition and the
subsequent polling approval. In other words, he
could not risk launching the war in an election
year. He would have to fight critics in congress
on the timing and be in the difficult position
of defending a long and protracted war on the
campaign trail.

Daz

03-28-2003, 01:28 AM

Hi RT,

I've come in on this post a bit late...but I'd like to say - no hard feelings at all. Everyone has their own thoughts and feelings and though sometimes people may disagree on some topics we do all share the common bond of naturism, that's why we've all met on here and friendships have been made. My god, you should here my family and friends when we're all debating something...it's like question time in parliament! :-) But at the end of the day as far as I'm concerned it's only discussion and that is healthy and good.

Take care and I do hope you hang around for a long time to come, your imput is just as important as anyone else's.