Pizza Delivery

[mplsnekkid]

anyone here ever order a pizza and when they came were in the buff?

i did this once, but it was a pizza guy that i would always would tip 5 bucks and he would always give me a free 2 liter of pop! not because i was nude of coarse, he acted as if i was fully dressed, so it was no big deal

i thought of a silly topic, everyone free to respond

[xgsft]

Nah, I reserve nude door answering to the Jahova's witnesses. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[mplsnekkid]

http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif lol

[Sauna]

A nudist friend of mine was naked gardening when a female Polish artist arrived and was asked in. We have some of these selling their artwork for living from door to door. She did her job like nothing special sitting in the garden and my friend and his wife were both naked. I do not remember if he bought or not but nakedness was not an issue.

I'm personally waiting for Jehova's

[Jeff Brooks]

Jahova witness. Some years ago I had been up all night and the doorbell rang early one Saturday morning. I went to the door wearing my boxers. I was groggy I am surprised I wore anything. Well the guy was there with a young child. He kept on talking and talking. I am thinking I am standing here in my boxers and he is with a kid and wants to come in my house?

J

[nakednudists]

I have never ordered a pizza and opened the door nude for the pizza person. However, I almost did for the bug person though. Just wanted to see what kind of reaction I would get.

[xgsft]

...And thier reaction NN?

[nakednudists]

Never did...said I almost did.

[takeitontherun]

I had to wait it out for cable and gas man both yesterday here in our new place......the cable guy came and went and then it was hours later. I finally stripped down figuring sure enough he'll show now that i am nude but nope, that didnt work either, lol.

[xgsft]

Originally posted by nakednudists:
Never did...said I almost did.

Gotya, I misread. I haven't had my morning Mt-dew yet. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[nakednudists]

Originally posted by xgsft:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nakednudists:
Never did...said I almost did.

Gotya, I misread. I haven't had my morning Mt-dew yet. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Vin]

Originally posted by Jeff Brooks:
Jahova witness.... Well the guy was there with a young child. He kept on talking and talking. I am thinking I am standing here in my boxers and he is with a kid and wants to come in my house?

You know, the one time they came to my house when I was home, it was a mother and young child. At the time, I thought that was odd. Now that I think about it more, though, I wonder if the kids aren't insurance? Maybe they were getting too many nude homeowners otherwise. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Vin

They take their children to train them them in going door to door. I had two teens one time. One was in his early teens and did all the talking, although he was very nervous and obviously new.

[josephii]

I usually am nude at home most of the time. So, if somebody comes to the door, a male, I don't hesitate to open the door nude. I have found that 99% of the time guys don't care. Most of them have responded by saying something like, "your the king of the castle or I wish I could do the same, or my wife would never let me be naked at home." Only once a pool builder was against me being nude so I put my robe on.

Jose

[mplsnekkid]

you would think a pool builder would be used to nudity, cause most people who build pools tend to swim in there own pools nude

[halfpint]

I have never answered the door for service or delivery people nude, however, I used to deliver pizza. It was the kind of thing that made me know the difference between naked and nude. The nudists were never alarming, because it was obvious as soon as they opened the door that their lack of clothing had nothing to do with reaction/response, as far as my presence was concerned, or as far as their comfort with their own nudity was concerned. I was however very uncomfortable when people mentally (emotionally?) incable of being nude would answer the door naked. groups of drunken frat boys in hotels do this a lot, both when being hazed, or just to be *******s. Some people would do this just trying to get some action, some on dares, some were just perverts in general.

I think most delivery and service people would instantly know the difference and be fine with it though.

[Hooked]

I've never done it but I have almost stepped outside in the front yard nude alot since moving into my own place. I tend to forget my nudity after 20 minutes or so.

[nudenwv]

hmmmm. sounds tempting (the being nude not the pizza). maybe if i knew the delivery person i would try it. can't take any chances around here. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif when i was at avalon i did wave to the fed ex delivery man. that was a thrill.

[Daveinct]

Originally posted by nakednudists:
I have never ordered a pizza and opened the door nude for the pizza person. However, I almost did for the bug person though. Just wanted to see what kind of reaction I would get.

If I were the bug person, my response would probably be along the lines of "I'm sorry, sir, we don't treat that sort of bug, you'll need to see your doctor for that". http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Dave

[richinoregon]

I'm a cable guy and I hate to say this, but if I were met by a nude customer I would have to insist that they get clothed before I did my work. It is the fear of being set up for a lawsuit. I like my job and I would hate to lose it because someone just wanted to make money at the "legal lottery."

[Kari P]

Rich, I don't understand. What could your customers sue you for if they themselves are nude and you do nothing but your work? For you having sex with them?

If you are afraid of absolutely wrong accusations, they could make up any kind of stories even if you do tell them to get clothed. It's always a word against a word, and the one who is charged must be proven guilty - not easy to do based on a made up story.

[richinoregon]

An experience has made me leery. I went to a home and the teenaged daughter met me at the door and said her mom would be there shortly and invited me in. Her mom, who had apparently been in the shower, blew up at me for coming in the house and she was going to report me to my supervisor etc etc. (she never did-and yes, she was clothed). So any questionable situation I avoid.

[Vin]

Originally posted by Kari P:
Rich, I don't understand. What could your customers sue you for if they themselves are nude and you do nothing but your work? For you having sex with them?

If you are afraid of absolutely wrong accusations, they could make up any kind of stories even if you do tell them to get clothed. It's always a word against a word, and the one who is charged must be proven guilty - not easy to do based on a made up story.

Unfortunately, in the US the legal system doesn't really work that way anymore. And the cost of simply being sued can be very high, whether you win or lose.

Besides, in most states, it's illegal just to be in the presence of someone other than your spouse or doctor without certain body parts (yours and theirs) being covered by a "fully opaque covering." Staying in the same building as a nude customer would probably result in criminal charges. Once upon a time, any reasonable judge would have thrown out such a proceeding as entrapment. These days, though, we don't seem to have so many reasonable judges.

Vin

[carbuff]

It does sound tempting. I have once not got mail delivered , it was nice out so I opened up the door and was vacuuming when the mail lady came by oops no mail. I also have gone through a drive up window nude once .

[Mosquito_Bait]

Deliberately answering the door naked for the purpose of shocking the person on the other side strikes me as exhibitionism. It is similar to streaking. I wouldn't consider it to be naturism/nudism.

[Dawg]

I guess the pizza delivery situation would depend, like most other situations, on the circumstances.
I can definately see answereing the door nude for a male or female delivery person in the right situation but I can see where other times I wouldn't.
I have invited Jehovas witness inside before. They(three ladies) got all the way inside with the door closed behind them before they realized I was totally naked, HA! They left shortly there after http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[takeitontherun]

Originally posted by car/buff:
I also have gone through a drive up window nude once .

Cant wait to have you elaborate on that one!

[krcNY]

Ages ago, I worked at a Pizza Place and if the delivery person encountered a Nude Customer; we logged it into a customer list so we could forwarn the drivers. The mgmt wanted to give them the option of delivering to that customer. They males had no problems delivering, the females would not deliver.

[merum]

It wasn't the pizza delivery guy, but the tree spraying company. I was nude sunning when they arrived and didn't hear the gate open or know they were there until the service man was at the pool area, he just sort of smiled and waved.

[PaulC]

I've often been nude in the yard when the meter readers came - also the UPS truck. Never had any problems or comments and after the first time I didn't worry about itr.

[NewAndNude]

Originally posted by Mosquito_Bait:
Deliberately answering the door naked for the purpose of shocking the person on the other side strikes me as exhibitionism. It is similar to streaking. I wouldn't consider it to be naturism/nudism.

I think it depends on the circumstances and the fine line that surrounds them. For instance, a few years ago when I lived in an old house divided up into sections to rent out as apartments, I had the apartment closest to the foyer, which meant I essentially had control over that area and the front door.

I had been feeling ill for a few days, and didn't want to cook or go out to get something to eat -- so I ordered a pizza. The delivery driver was male, and I met him in the foyer wearing nothing but boxer shorts. I went as far as to apologize for my state of dress, noting that I had been feeling under the weather and tired, and he just smiled and laughed it off. Had it been a female, I would probably still have done the same thing (though I imagine she would have enjoyed the view a little more).

My current living situation is not where I can open my front door and avoid being seen in the altogether by whoever happens to be outside. However, were I to be able to have such a situation, I more than likely WOULD do this with pizza, as with being in my own home or apartment, it would be within my rights as a tenant or homeowner to do so. A person takes certain hazards into respect upon being employed into their job; for a pizza delivery driver, this is just another one of them. Now, if you have an erection, or you're blatantly flaunting yourself in some manner, making it obvious, then yes, you're being an exhibitionist and possibly opening yourself up to negative attitudes and experiences in the future (such as gossip amongst store employees). But that's the chance you take by making such a choice, and if you cannot live with those consequences, then you should not have made such a choice to begin with. I choose to experiment with nudism on my own free will, and if I ever give it up, I will do so on my own free will as well.

Just my two cents.

[foux003]

As I have said before. MY place is clothing optional. I have been in my yard when the pizza guy arived and it was no big thing. Also I have well over one and a half million miles behind me and I only got a tip once and I had to break hours of service rules to do it. So I never tip the pizza guy very much

Originally posted by foux003:
As I have said before. MY place is clothing optional. I have been in my yard when the pizza guy arived and it was no big thing. Also I have well over one and a half million miles behind me and I only got a tip once and I had to break hours of service rules to do it. So I never tip the pizza guy very much

And you actually feel safe eating that pizza?

The pizza guy pays for his own gas and many times (anymore) is paid less than minimum wage.

I used to deliver pizza but I found out most the companies around here dropped their pay by a dollar. I was making a dollar over minimum previously so there was no way I could take a $2 cut per hour.

I fail to see how whatever job you have would influence you to go light on the pizza guy. Most of them are moonlighting from another profession to make extra cash to make ends meet. And the drivers keep track of who tips and who tips well among one another. I'd be afraid to eat a pizza when I was a serial cheapskate.

[MJ_KC]

Originally posted by richinoregon:
An experience has made me leery. I went to a home and the teenaged daughter met me at the door and said her mom would be there shortly and invited me in. Her mom, who had apparently been in the shower, blew up at me for coming in the house and she was going to report me to my supervisor etc etc. (she never did-and yes, she was clothed). So any questionable situation I avoid.
I would have asked her if she preferred that I do the work while sitting out front in my truck.

If you show up at the assigned time and nobody will let you do the work, it would seem to me that you should just go to the next job.

[NewbieM]

Originally posted by krcNY:
Ages ago, I worked at a Pizza Place and if the delivery person encountered a Nude Customer; we logged it into a customer list so we could forwarn the drivers. The mgmt wanted to give them the option of delivering to that customer. They males had no problems delivering, the females would not deliver.
One year, I worked on the Census for the Government of Canada. A female collegue of mine told us a story about the last one she'd worked. Apparently, she went to one guy's house to fill his questionaire with him. When he opened the door, he was nude. She didn't react, and neither did he.

She came back with a filled questionaire and a funny story http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Wiggle It]

Never answered the door totally nude, unless I knew who it was, and they knew my habits. But I used to take weekend naps on the sofa in briefs. Once I was wakened by the doorbell, and answered the door in briefs to a college boy selling books or magazines. He gave me the sales pitch without any odd reaction or comment at all. Another time 2 young ladies offering the J.W.'s booklets called. They talked to me while I wore only white briefs, but when they left they were speaking to each other in giggly whispers. I have wondered about the frequency of door-to-door callers encountering nude residents, or underwear-clad ones.

[Sacramento Jesse]

Its not a story of me answering the door naked but its when I was in the 9th grade and I had a job selling newspaper subscriptions under the table. We did this in groups of about 5 kids and we went door to door. The only time this ever happen a guy answered his door naked. I asked him if he like to subscribe to the paper and he said no. Its not like he seen me thru his door's stained window and got naked because I could see through his door and he was naked to begin with.

[Macanude]

Too many potential legal pitfalls to answering the door naked for me to do it on purpose.
However, just last Thursday I had called the phone company about some trouble we had been having with our line and asked them to send a repairman out to check. After some time had passed I forgot all about it and decided to vacuum the rug. When I am home alone or just my wife and I, then I am normally nude and that was true here, too. The noise of the vacuum must have kept me from hearing the doorbell, for the first hint I had that the tech had come was the sound of him knocking on the window and waving to me. I was in the family room, all the lights on and in front of a six foot by six foot window, so I am sure all the facts were obvious.
I did stop and put on the pair of shorts I keep by the front door, but he appeared totally unperturbed and not the least bit upset. We had a nice, friendly conversation, and he fixed the phone line, too.

[Ken Palmer]

I think I would be a little nervous and uneasy about answering the door nude because you never know what people may think or say about you behind your back. This is especially true if a neighbor should accidently see you through a window or an open door or something. And with all the news about child predators,perverts, and stuff like that going on, everyone could become very leary of you real quick even though it may not be correct. I hope I am not sounding paranoid here, but I know how people can react possibly. Correct me if I am going overboard here. And I certainly don't mean to be a killjoy on this topic. If I ruined the fun here or rained on anyone's parade, I deeply apologize.

Ken Palmer



Originally posted by Macanude:
Too many potential legal pitfalls to answering the door naked for me to do it on purpose.
However, just last Thursday I had called the phone company about some trouble we had been having with our line and asked them to send a repairman out to check. After some time had passed I forgot all about it and decided to vacuum the rug. When I am home alone or just my wife and I, then I am normally nude and that was true here, too. The noise of the vacuum must have kept me from hearing the doorbell, for the first hint I had that the tech had come was the sound of him knocking on the window and waving to me. I was in the family room, all the lights on and in front of a six foot by six foot window, so I am sure all the facts were obvious.
I did stop and put on the pair of shorts I keep by the front door, but he appeared totally unperturbed and not the least bit upset. We had a nice, friendly conversation, and he fixed the phone line, too.

[Macanude]

Ken,
Since you quote my post, I shall assume that at least part of your message is meant for me.
My first sentence is in full agreement with you. Purposely answering the front door nude is asking for trouble. One of the longest threads ever on this forum concerned just that, highlighted by the misguided soul who opened his door to find the girl scouts selling cookies.
Notice that I did put on shorts before going to the door.
Our house is out in the country and I would estimate 300 yards from our nearest neighbor. The dirt road running along the front of the house is at least 100 yards out and the window faces sideways.
As it turns out, no harm done, but I think it would be easy to get your neighbors suspicious, and make your relationship with them very difficult. We have a neighbor with a dog that barks about eighteen hours a day, so there is already enough tension.

[Centauri4]

I don't believe it matters whether the person at the door is selling Girl Scout cookies, there to repair the cable, or to deliver food. It might be bad ettiquette to simply "show up" at the door nude even if you are a nudist. BUT, with that being said I also support the idea that the only way "simple" nudity will become more acceptable and RECOGNIZED as a form of non-threatening behavior is for more people to SIMPLY do it!

Neighbors impressions be damned.

If kids came to my door and I was nude when I answered it, what do you honestly think THEY would think? 'Gee, that guy was naked. I wonder why?' probably. They would be likely to talk about it among themselves, but I don't think even today's children are going to run home and "report you" to their parent(s) or guardian(s). Why? Why: Because it is mostly a non-issue.

Children are often not "robots" or mechanically designed things like smoke alarms that automatically do A when B happens. They are going to laugh, joke and make fun of you more likely than anything else. Why? Why: Because nudity is (still) considered "funny" by most people.

Now if you were to invite the Girl Scout cookie vendor(s) inside without dressing, I would think that is crossing the line. That is an "adult" activity versus "child" activity sort of thing; based on "common" perceptions.

Or the cable person without first asking if they mind you are not dressed. Because that is making an assumption about THEIR reaction to nudity, and it is always rude to assume people will NOT find whatever activity offensive.

Loud music... Working on a car in the street... Letting you dog poop on someone's lawn and not cleaning it up... All these things "assume" the people around you will not be bothered in the least by your actions / activities.

But answering the door naked and keeping the full view of your body BEHIND the door and out of view is probably pretty common. It is your home and you are entitled to be naked in it if you wish. I can answer the door, hand out money and accept the pizza without allowing myself to been fully seen and in doing so I would hope to leave the delivery or service person WONDERING about what I may or may not have been wearing. But that is IF they are NOT to busy working to take the time to wonder such things.

MORE IMPORTANTLY
We have to continue to conduct ourselves with civility and understanding even when we ARE nude and someone happens to see us, whether intentionally or accidentally. Acting "startled" or afraid of their reaction will make them think even YOU YOURSELF are not convinced nudity is normal and SHOULD be acceptable. This is the most commonly posted cautionary statement I have read in similar threads elsewhere. "ACT NORMAL" and others are likely to not be offended by you. Be friendly and above all do not appologize for being nude and act embarassed by it. Just be yourself and take care of business as if you were fully and traditionally clothed, or as if nudity simply was not an outrageous thing for you.

I hope this post gets some renewed thinking and original replies from some of the 'old timers'.

[Lilwilly]

A well thought out reply Centauri4. I plan to think on it some more and may put some of your thoughts into practice.

[nekkidincville]

I DELIVER PIZZAS. SEE MANY NUDES AT THE DOOR. the place i work for does not note whether or not customers are nude. (unless it is a weird, crossing the line situation). The female drivers are more comfortable with it than most of the males. (those are the males that cannot separate nudity from sexuality.... they are afraid of their own reactions). most of my coworkers know i live a nude-lifestyle. I do answer the door nude. (just a note: most people who answer the door nude or in underwear usually tip very well.)

[FireProf]

Nekkidincville,

Have any of those that have called in their order ever told you or asked you (the pizza business) if you will be offended if they answer the door nude?

Do you have some sort of record on the computer that states to those taking the order or making the delivery, that you may encounter a nude person when delivering a pizza to this address?

We've ordered delivery pizza many times and they have had them ask if we want the same pizza'a we've ordered before so they must have some record on the addresses they deliver to.

Thanks for answering my questions.

[nekkidincville]

hay fireprof: no... we really do not keep those notes, because it is not a big problem(no pun intended). we ( the drivers ) talk amongst ourselves and decide who will ( or will not) deliver to certain people. we have only a couple we have notes on... those are the customers who are usually drunk and grabbing themselves, and trying to get drivers to join them. for the most part the ones taking the orders do not know much about what the driver sees at the door. if you announced you may be nude when oredering, it would be no problem... except may get the order taker flustered. most of the guys let me take the deliveries that may have a nude person at the door. i love it

[FireProf]

Yo Nekkid.........thanks again for answering my questions. As much as I'd like to, don't think I'll answer the door for the pizza guy or girl in the nude any time soon. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/beam.gif

[Weeds]

I was sitting in a chair in the back yard sunning myself when an older male meter reader came around the corner. He was flustered and turned back the way he came. I quickly put on my shorts and called after him. He did his duty and left without a word.

Current habit for me is to be working nude in my workshop with the door open on meter reading day/time. The meter is beside the door, so one of these I will very likely be in full view when the new meter reader is standing there. I expect to give a friendly greeting and continue doing whatever I am working on, exihibiting no unusual reaction.

[Sauna]

We will be out of readers. Today they visit every ten years. You have self tell them the merters result. If you sell your or move the the new one of course reads it very carefully. The next generation is on line metering where the information is sent on daily base via cellphone to the service provider.

So very prudish future and no surpises

[Red Baron]

Originally posted by Weeds:
I was sitting in a chair in the back yard sunning myself when an older male meter reader came around the corner. He was flustered and turned back the way he came. I quickly put on my shorts and called after him. He did his duty and left without a word.

Current habit for me is to be working nude in my workshop with the door open on meter reading day/time. The meter is beside the door, so one of these I will very likely be in full view when the new meter reader is standing there. I expect to give a friendly greeting and continue doing whatever I am working on, exihibiting no unusual reaction.


Interesting avatar. Did you have any help in arranging the "pieces"??

[Weeds]

Sorry to say, I didn't create the avatar. In fact, where I got it had no clues either.

I own neither pipe nor shades, but my tie collection is similar in poor taste.

About the demise of meter readers: Our water meters were converted a couple years ago to a device that allows the reader person to wave a wand over the manhole cover to electronically capture the reading. They have to show up in person, but since most water meters are on the street side of the property, they will not see many private moments.

[JohnFourtyTwo]

I've been delivering pizza full-time for over a month now since I was laid off permanently from my last job due to company reorganization. I've heard the stories of pizza delivery drivers being greeted by nude customers but so far I haven't seen any. One of my managers told me he used to deliver pizza in Buffalo, NY and there was one female customer there who would greet the guy in the nude ... .... ... .... .... He said the other drivers would actually fight over that delivery. [Edited by Moderator. Reference to Adult activity deleted]

As for cheapskates, yes we do remember who the cheap ones are and don't really care to get it to them in time or not. Most people in my area are military (Navy) and if they think you're in the Navy doing this as a part-time job, or look like you don't need money, they just want tip you. I have no problem with the Marines because they always tip at least $3.00. I'm retired Navy and have been keeping my hair cut and face shaved. Now I'm letting my hair go and growing a beard too. I've noticed my tips are a lot better since I've let myself go, I also wear torn jeans, I don't look quite homeless but if this is what it takes to get tips then I'll do it. I've also noticed that the ladies tend to like the "scruffy look" over my "babyface look" I'm often accused of looking like even though I'm almost 40 years old! An internet friend of mine told me she would tip a pizza delivery guy $25 if he were nude. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/laugh.gif

We also have some poor neighborhoods we deliver to and most of them don't tip either. I think I was being set up for a holdup last Saturday night because it was after midnight and I knew the address and they've never ordered that late before. There were also about eight big guys staked out in the yard of the apartment complex I had to walk through for the delivery. This neighborhood is known for drugs, shootings, attacks, .etc. I didn't feel safe so I went back to the store without making the delivery. My manager came back out with me and he made the delivery. The guys had moved across the road and didn't bother us. I kept my eyes peeled while my manager made the delivery plus I had my finger on 911 speed dial of my cellphone just in case. We both agreed that we probably foiled their attempt because it's the same neighborhood that one of our competitors were hit three times last month plus their store was robbed at gunpoint. From now on if I'm in the same situation I'll call the customer and have them come out to the truck. If they refuse then I'm not making the delivery. Our competitor who was held up refuses to deliver to this neighborhood after dark. I tried arguing this with my company plus one of our competitors drivers was arguing to them too, but they're more concerned for profit than employee safety. Hopefully I'll be getting a merchant marine job soon and won't have to worry about this mess anymore.

[NakedGary]

Pizza delivery to nude or textile customers has not much to do with the catergory of "Fun of Nude Recreation" so this topic/thread will be moved to "Open Coversation"

[JohnFourtyTwo]

Originally posted by NakedGary:
Pizza delivery to nude or textile customers has not much to do with the catergory of "Fun of Nude Recreation" so this topic/thread will be moved to "Open Coversation"

Thanks Gary. This is one of the things I like about this site, someone keeping things in order. I wish the other sites I go to were this proactive.

Again, thanks and you guys are doing a great job here!

[Naked In Florida]

I answered the door nude to Jehova Witnesses 2yrs ago, to young middle aged women. I have never seen two Jehova Witnesses so eager to leave, and they have not been back since. I see them in the neighboor hood, though they walk righ by my house. Guess we have been red flagged! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/laugh.gif

[CCNude]

I was washing dishes naked one day when a pizza boy came to the kitchen door to make a delivery. Turns out he had the wrong house, so I sent him two doors up. We talked thru the window but I'm pretty sure he could tell I was naked, and neither one of us seemed to mind.

[burgee]

Hmm... it seems like the drippy hot melted cheese could be a bit dangerous...

[usmc1]

At the very least it just seems to me that the civil thing to do is comply with the general mores of our society.

Also, I really can't see where answering the door to strangers while nude, driving while nude, mowing one's unfenced lawn while nude and all the other sorts of little projects some claim does a dman thing to advnace "nudism".

If "nudism" is something which needs advancing, my sense is that it will require education and attraction along with lobbying and legal actions rather than engaging in activities which critics would see as "exhibitionistic" and use to reinforce their arguments that nudists are perverts and weirdos.

You want to "advance" nudism and make it more acceptable join its mainstream organizations and work with them.

[Naturist Mark]

Also, I really can't see where answering the door to strangers while nude, driving while nude, mowing one's unfenced lawn while nude and all the other sorts of little projects some claim does a dman thing to advnace "nudism".


Nor do I.

But I don't think a nudist practices nudism in order to advance it. I am nude in my home because that is how I am most comfortable, I would prefer to be nude when doing yardwork, when taking out the trash, collecting my mail and doing other minor tasks throughout the week, but cannot because of oppressive social norms and laws.

I have never answered my door nude, but I am sympathetic to the notion that unsolicited intruders to my home should be subject to my social norms, not vice versa. That does NOT include the pizza guy - he or she is an invited visitor.

I don't support shocking or exhibitionist nudity as a (questionable) means of challenging oppressive social norms, but I DO support respectful demonstrations of non-sexual public nudity in order to demonstrate that simple nudity is harmless and non threatening - events such as the WNBR and Bare-to-Breakers, or the Summer Solstice Parade - even Steve Gough's peaceful walk. I think the Brattleboro kids have done us good by proving that their (legal) nudity didn't cause a breakdown of social mores, sexual assaults, a sudden rise in drug addiction, insanity, fear and nightmares in the children, or any other breakdown in the social order. Their nudity was harmless.

I also support the right of people to practice nudity, or topfreedom, wherever it is legal, irrespective of the opinions of those who decide their mores are more important than mine. I don't care if you are offended by a nursing child in a McDonalds, or a topfree woman in a park or public street on a hot day in New York or Ohio. Your offense is YOUR problem, arrest yourself.

I also support the right to use our commonly held public lands for recreation, whether on deserted beaches, or crowded historically used nude beaches. And for hiking when reasonable care is used to not appear nude before the unsuspecting (although it is unfair that the unsuspecting never have to take care not to appear clothed in front of me). These activities are not used to promote acceptance of nudism, rather they are merely the peaceful Practice of nudism.

There is an exhibitionist practice called NIP - short for Nude In Public - where a nude person (almost always an attractive young woman) is photograghed in a crowded public place ... in order to shock the public I guess. The one thing I've learned from these and from photos from public events like Bay to Breakers and the PETA demonstrations and the Bare Witness movement is that the public is pretty blase about nudity - the usual reaction is to go on about their business - with a secondary reaction being delight. Offense appears to be rather rare. I foresee a case soon where the so-far successful First Amendment defense for nudity during a political protest is discarded because nudity is so innoffensive that it doesn't rise to the level of political speech.

-Mark

[naturalmanwa]

Well said Mark! Thanks for putting the thoughts of many of us into words.

[usmc1]

Mark my issue is with the nitwits who post things such as "I drove to the post office in the nude" or "I jogged nude through the city park past the girls school" all in the name of getting people to accept nudism.

[nimrod]

I do not know where to stand on this. I would not come to the door nude for anyone, not even if I knew them, because where I live it is very easy to see me from the street and I do not wish to offend anyone. If I did, would it be considered exhibitionism? I am not doing so to deliberately shock someone, nor am I doing so for gratification. There are some that consider going nude outside or in social situations as exhibitionism.
I do think that there are some situations that do harm to the nudist cause, some are so only because of the stigma that is assosiated with being nude. Flashing, alcohol and drug related temperary insanity, and public sex are examples of what will harm nudism. Answering the door nude, and going thru a drive-thru nude can be considered harmful because of the stigma attached to nudism.
I wish that there were more situations when nudity is accepted. I am at home with the curtains closed because I am nude, when I should be able to have them open and not offend anyone.

[Geo]

I have not answered the door naked, yet. I have considered it a number of times. I can actually see who is at the door, without them seeing me. I may do it if the door bell rings and I don't have my clothes on, but would not take them off just to answer the door. I also would never answer the door naked to any one who appeared to be under the age of 18. The way I see it, if I were to go to someone's door uninvited or un-announced, then why should they have to put on clothes to come to the door if there lifestyle has them naked at that time. I don't think we are obligated to go to the door anyway.

[FireProf]

Amazing how many "nitwits" there are and were before us all. Think of it, all these "nitwits" going naked on public beaches all over the world to advance nudism by proclaiming part of the public beaches for use by nudists.

Some of these nitwits even thought about buying property and forming "colonies" of nudies way back before there was an AANR and a TNS. And now there are a bunch of nitwits logging onto the internet and these same nitwits talk and discuss issues pretaining to be nude whenever they possibly can, imagine that!

There is a definate diffence between exhibitionism and pushing the envelop, taking some risks, being adventurous. They all aren't exhibitionism, they aren't all harmful of the "movement," many of those so called nitwits pushed naturism/nudism forward by the risks they took. A little unfair of someone of, what I thought was higher intellegence, would give them credit for and speak higher of them than to call them "nitwits."
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[usmc1]

Originally posted by FireProf:
Amazing how many "nitwits" there are and were before us all. Think of it, all these "nitwits" going naked on public beaches all over the world to advance nudism by proclaiming part of the public beaches for use by nudists.

Some of these nitwits even thought about buying property and forming "colonies" of nudies way back before there was an AANR and a TNS. And now there are a bunch of nitwits logging onto the internet and these same nitwits talk and discuss issues pretaining to be nude whenever they possibly can, imagine that!

There is a definate diffence between exhibitionism and pushing the envelop, taking some risks, being adventurous. They all aren't exhibitionism, they aren't all harmful of the "movement," many of those so called nitwits pushed naturism/nudism forward by the risks they took. A little unfair of someone of, what I thought was higher intellegence, would give them credit for and speak higher of them than to call them "nitwits."
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I really think that most of what you just wrote underscores the difference between those in the "vanguard" and those who are nitwits.

I am going to stand by my remarks.

I think anyone who gets in their car naked to drive through the town to "push the envelope of nudism" is engaging in provocative behavior and that their posting of it here is probably more infantile fantasy than acuality.

Ditto the nude jog through the city park past the girl's school.

Those are public places and the public gets to decide what is appropriate, not the individual. There are more effective ways to build acceptance and spread the joys of nudism. You pointed some of them out in your post.

As to pizza delivery. Unless I know who is at the door, I answer it clothed. Sometimes it is important to acknowlege and respect the sensibilities of others, whether or not we think they are misguided.

[naturalmanwa]

Even though my windows and front door are private from the street and my front yard is fenced and gated, I keep a pair of shorts or robe near the door. I also have a sign I post telling people to wait until the door is answered before entering, in the case of friends or relatives who have a key.

The idea is to show consideration or class.

[FireProf]

USMC1,

You are definately intitled to your opinion and you've given it up to us all here most of the time, but that's it.......it's just your opinion.

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[usmc1]

Originally posted by Evolving:
What makes me a nitwit.

All of the family knows I am a nudist so why would I put clothes on to answer the door if I kwow who it is.

Some of my friends know and have been over when I was nude so why would I need shorts to answer the door for them.

Driving a High Sierra Jeep trail nude, why not, maybe the deer give a hoot.

Evolving

Nothing that I can see from your post. There is a great deal of difference between the choices you make and those nitwits who write into this and other forums they have "pushed the envelope of nudism and maybe now more people will be accepting", because they:

A. Jogged through the city park and past the girls school while it was in recess today. "And I felt so free." Their quotes.

B. They drove around town to the post-office today while "completely Nude". Their quotes.

C. Answered the door nude to the Jehovah Witnesses, girls scouts, meter reader or Fuller Brush salesman.

D. Mowed my suburban front yard nude while waving at my neighbors and passing cars.

Quite a difference there, than answering the door to friends while nude, or driving your jeep while nude through a wilderness area.

Part of my point about those misguided nitwits is that their actions do nothing to advance "nudism" as they invariably claim as their reason for their outlandish behavior.

So, you've risen above the nitwit test and can rest easy once again. LOL!!

[FireProf]

Well we all know now who we need to go to, to get the low down on what does and doesn't advance nudism.

Someone with their head still in the sand! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/wink3.gif

[usmc1]

Oh drat! I've gone and offended you. So which of the ridiculous behaviors that I have described is the one you use to advance the public's acceptance and understanding of nudism?

A. Jogging nude past the girl's school?
B. Driving around town nude?
C. Answering the door to stangers while nude?
D. Mowing your suburban front yard while nude?

And just one last question. How is it that these behaviors win acceptance and understanding of nudism?

Speaking of sand, it appears from your avatar that you're the one that has stuck something in the sand. Maybe that's what you're calling a head in the sand? Don't look like no head to me.

Seriously, it just excapes me as to how you can think that such behaviors that I have listed as things people have written in that they've done to "push the envelope" do anything at all to advance "nudism".

To me, none of these behaviors have anything at all to do with nudism and seem to be anti-social or exhibitionistic acts clothed in (yep, that's one of them there puns) self-justifying thetoric about winning converts to "our lifestyle".

And seriously, do you do any of those things or condone them? Or are you just kvetching at me?

[Wiggle It]

Well, there's an old saying about two sides to every coin.
On one hand, most of the things given as examples would shock and alarm some people, and maybe gain you a visit by the local police. I would not likely do any of them. Maybe in a time past I would have been so recklessly bold, (maybe!) but not now.
On the other hand, how did every clothes-optional beach get started? In most cases, nude use became "established" at a certain beach or swimming hole, etc, because once-upon-a-time a few people started going nude there and it eventually got accepted. "Streaking" probably did a lot to get the public used to seeing nudity in unexpected places, even to see it as a harmless and humorous lark rather than offensive and threatening, though it is still illegal to run naked down the street, across the football field, or thru the halls at school.
Nude scenes in movies are another case, also. It still gets a more restrictive rating, but it is also well known that an "R" movie will probably draw more box office receipts than a "G" movie.
So, does a given activity help, or hurt nudism?
Does it have to be directly related to "proper" nudism to have one effect or the other?
The same action may promote it in the eyes of one person, and put it in a bad light for another.
But whenever one takes the step of doing anything nude in a place or circumstance where it is not legal or at least established by reason of precedent and tolerance, he should surely evaluate the cost of taking that risk. Is the chance of being famous/infamous as a hero(?) of advancing nudism worth it in the particular instance?
Andrew Martinez nude in class at Berkeley.
Steve Gough's "naked ramble" across Britain.
Nude teens in Brattleboro, Vermont.

Did they (and others) advance acceptance of nudity, or set it back? As surely as each helped gain acceptance with some, each alienated some others, and thus it goes, and so shall it ever be!

[usmc1]

Originally posted by Wiggle It:
Well, there's an old saying about two sides to every coin.
On one hand, most of the things given as examples would shock and alarm some people, and maybe gain you a visit by the local police. I would not likely do any of them. Maybe in a time past I would have been so recklessly bold, (maybe!) but not now.
On the other hand, how did every clothes-optional beach get started? In most cases, nude use became "established" at a certain beach or swimming hole, etc, because once-upon-a-time a few people started going nude there and it eventually got accepted. "Streaking" probably did a lot to get the public used to seeing nudity in unexpected places, even to see it as a harmless and humorous lark rather than offensive and threatening, though it is still illegal to run naked down the street, across the football field, or thru the halls at school.
Nude scenes in movies are another case, also. It still gets a more restrictive rating, but it is also well known that an "R" movie will probably draw more box office receipts than a "G" movie.
So, does a given activity help, or hurt nudism?
Does it have to be directly related to "proper" nudism to have one effect or the other?
The same action may promote it in the eyes of one person, and put it in a bad light for another.
But whenever one takes the step of doing anything nude in a place or circumstance where it is not legal or at least established by reason of precedent and tolerance, he should surely evaluate the cost of taking that risk. Is the chance of being famous/infamous as a hero(?) of advancing nudism worth it in the particular instance?
Andrew Martinez nude in class at Berkeley.
Steve Gough's "naked ramble" across Britain.
Nude teens in Brattleboro, Vermont.

Did they (and others) advance acceptance of nudity, or set it back? As surely as each helped gain acceptance with some, each alienated some others, and thus it goes, and so shall it ever be!

Well, I think there are a lot of maybe and probablys in what you write. From where I sit those instances you cite resulted in media coverage which generated dismay and ridicule on the individuals and not public acceptance of nudism.

Yes, people in the vanguard did establish nudity on public lands ordinances and laws. My hat and everything else is off to them. But, the real victories in those cases were brought about in legislations and other sorts of legal victories.

But, there remain localities and states which are very resistant to even private recreational nucity let alone public nudity. I do not believe that engaging in provocative behavior does anything to advance understanding or acceptance there or eleswhere.

[FireProf]

Originally posted by usmc1:
Oh drat! I've gone and offended you. So which of the ridiculous behaviors that I have described is the one you use to advance the public's acceptance and understanding of nudism?

You really do give yourself much....too much credit. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/laugh.gif

Now...you want a serious answer?

I really hate to break it to you...but nothing, going to the nude beaches, nude clubs, nude resorts, proclaiming to be a nudist or being a self proclaimed guru of nudism does anything to advance nudism. Not even writing on these forums does anything to advance nudism. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/wink3.gif

Educating the public, friends, family, aquaintances...co-workers, with your clothes on, is a step in the right direction. Supporting nationally recognized naturist organizations, writing letters to politicians when the need arises concerning naturist activities, venues or lack there of and signing your full name to the letter.

You assumed that all these things that you listed were things people had done to somehow advance nudism. You assume too much. If you are so intellegent about the many issues concerning nudism and the advancement of nudism, how is it that you think I am trying to advance nudism by ocassionally driving nude, in a high profile truck, with dark tinted windows where no one can see me!!? I don't do it for the advancement of nudism.............I do it for me! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

If caught, it doesn't hurt nudism, it only affects me, not you or nudism. I think we all have issues concerning certain acts of "pushing the envelop." Answering the door nude for the shock value is one I don't understand or Condone!

Seriously........writing anymore about this doesn't advance naturism either, but...my wife and I do what we can to advance naturism by educating those that are not naturists, donating to organizations that defend our rights as naturists and patronizing business and resorts that cater to naturists.

You will obviously respond but know that this thread has already been "technically" hijacked and is a mild violation of the TOS. I for one apologize to the other members here who have had to endure the banter between a hard head and a JarHead. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/wink3.gif



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[Nu]

I would not answer the door in the nude to take delivery of a pizza, or for any other reason.


I want no legal trouble or even any potential for legal trouble.
I also want to maintain a good relationship with my neighbours and friends. Avoiding a situation is better than having to explain any potential situation to others.

[JohnFourtyTwo]

Sounds almost like a Jeff Foxworthy joke he said one time about answering the door nude to greet his wife but is being sued by UPS instead.

[usmc1]

Originally posted by FireProf:
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Letting all the gibes go, we're not really that far apart. In fact, I think we're probably in agreement about 93%.

My point was directed at those who periodically write in to this and other forums telling us how they have struck a blow..etc, etc, yadda.by engaging in some weird activity while nude. I think those people are nitwits who really have nothing going on other than weirdness. But you're right that's merely my opinion.

You want to drive nude, fine that's your deal. But, the day (oops night) you have a flat or some jerk broadsides you, you may reconsider that decision. And, yes I clearly udnerstand you're doing it for your pleasure not..etc.

[nakedbear]

No attorney here - but have doen some internet research on CA law and did not find a definitive case - appears to be a distiction if the behavior is lewd - certainly understand and accept that - but some would define mere nudity as lewd - very vague. Anyhow I really enjoy nude driving but anm quite selective when I do it here in the Bay Area

[Baron Lake]

Gad, evolving. How can you possibly avoid accidents when you drive around with your windows tented?
And don't the stakes damage the body work?
b.l.