What feasible activities attract younger members?/ Attracting the younger Generation [Archive]

Centauri4

09-03-2007, 02:18 PM

Maybe this should be a Poll, or a recurring Post that can have new things added as they are conceived of.

Please list activities that, A). attracted you to become a member of your local nudist resort, or B). one you think MIGHT be likely to draw new (and younger) members to join.

A few I am thinking of are:

Mountain Bike trails (as suggested through a recent non-nudist discussion). - Many urban areas are far from anything resembling mountains and dislocated biking enthusiasts might appreciate a not-so-far location. In southeastern Virginia one of our well known resorts is less than half way to more rugged terrain and could potentially accomodate off-road cycling.

Skateboard park - Well, I guess this might sound impossible or risky, but the head, elbow, knee and foot safety gear required should be worn anytime this hobby or sport is practiced. The only piece of protective equipment I can imagine would be needed in additional to the "ordinary" stuff is a "butt guard" and rear-end skid plate! Heh. Something to prevent a nudist skater from getting a case of "road rash" or 'rug' burn on their backside.

Rock Climbing walls - Difficult but possible? I have seen an indoor climbing wall built on plywood and at an inclined that would prevent an unstoppable fall to the ground. The inclination of the wall is such that a climbing harness and handling person might not be required. This could be an activity with limited hours or which must have adult supervision, but if designed correctly possibly need not be (quote-unquote) dangerous.

A Nude Softball league - If recurring and regularly schedules games could be devised, seasonal and season long participation might be achievable.

Soccer camp/clinics - Teach international football! This could go along with "flag" football, field hockey or Jai Lai in Florida (I know its popular).

Computer Programming clubs - Okay, this might be a bit dated as the younger people clubs, parks and resorts might hope to attract may know computers inside and out (or like the backs of their hands), but perhaps there are knowledgeable programming instructors that could share their years of knowledge with the next generation. What do retired nudist teachers, software engineers and applications developers do after they have started drawing a retirement pension?

A Running club - If existing members made their experience known to first-time visitors, there might be a small percentage that would be attracted to this righ off the bat.

Musical Instruction - I noted this in one of the videos showing European nudists at a couple of resorts based in France. There were performing families along with choirs and individuals playing piano or guitar and "singing" karaoke. Another idea that could be useful if organized or promoted would be "Band Fan clubs" for specific bands or individual artists (Green Day, Nickleback, Seven Mary Five, Silverchair, Big Head Todd and the Sprockets... I dunno many of them myself; but it might be worth promoting).

Writing for Fun and Profit - OK, maybe not physical or particularly appealing to a "younger" crowd? In today's uncertain economy and with reference to the idea that getting rich slowly means earning a living from multiple income sources (and "residual" income - do it once, get paid repeatedly) - fresh out of school crowds might find economically supportive activities VERY appealing.

Acting workshops - What about it folks? Maybe you will not end up on national television or in a major motion picture, but what about local commercials, community theater and corporate training videos? Acting is a skill that can benefit people in their careers and socially throughout their lives, or so it seems. Are kids, teens and young adults still learning of Shakespeare and "Romeo and Juliet" from Cliff Notes or what??

Tutoring - Sure the last thing anyone "wants" to do is sit around in a classroom setting when they could be running and playing, but with the beginning of the new "school year" mere hours away, has anyone thought of supplemental instruction or homework support groups for student nudists?

Foreign Language clubs - As the internationalization of America continues more and more urban areas are becoming bilingual, and some school districts are requiring mandatory second language classes. What foreign languages do your children know? What foreign language will benefit them the most in a "global economy" or nudist tourism based business? What foreign languages might already be available from existing members?

International Studies and Foreign Relations or something along these lines. Having adults take an "active" role in the important topics of the day and include children might make dealing with issues such as terrorism and 'global warming' a little less frightful. Conversations might even touch on or branch off into topics of religious devotion, fanaticism, fundamentalism, and other "headlines" Breaking News-style topics

I have seen brief articles on other activities such as martial arts (self-defense), juggling, unicycling, painting (arts in general) and canoeing or sailing, but the sporadic nature of these is discouraging.

These are just some of the ones I can think of, and I am hope I have provided ClothesFreeForums visitors and regular contributors with enough framework to expand upon!

I look forward to seeing what else EVERYONE can come up with!

simonsebs

09-03-2007, 02:39 PM

Maybe something with video games. Many young people are gamers. Have Madden or Halo tournaments for prizes and young people would show up.

Centauri4

09-03-2007, 05:03 PM

Thanks! I thought of this one as well just a few minutes after making the last revised post. I hope the content so far is good enough to be shared beyond the audience of ClothesFreeForums and someone will forward it, or a URL, to their local nudist resort or non-landed group.

Video game competitions are an excellent choice for younger audiences, however I am wondering what marketing angle could be used to present it?

"Have a 'real' Unreal tournament, game nudist style!!"

"Play Nudtendo (noodtendo) style!"

"On Earth, full body combat armor is NOT required!" - LAN Party sponsored by (insert resort name here).

How about a few others? Judging by your Avatar I suspect you will be FAR better at it than I!

DenitaLC

09-03-2007, 05:41 PM

Computer Programming clubs - Okay, this might be a bit dated as the younger people clubs, parks and resorts might hope to attract may know computers inside and out (or like the backs of their hands), but perhaps there are knowledgeable programming instructors that could share their years of knowledge with the next generation. What do retired nudist teachers, software engineers and applications developers do after they have started drawing a retirement pension?

Perhaps the new young members could be the teachers? http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/wink3.gif

Croydon

09-04-2007, 04:16 AM

Centari, you made EXCELLENT suggestions. Some of the activities you have mentioned, especially rock climbing and running, are things I would love to do in nude. If a resort offered, I would definitely go without second thoughts.

justnude

09-04-2007, 07:36 AM

I would echo the comments of Centari-to attract younger folks to the clubs the additional activities he suggested might be a draw in addition to the activities enjoyed by us "older" folks! It certainly could not hurt a resort to try these suggestions which could be implemented relatively cheaply.

DoctorSurferDude

09-04-2007, 08:01 AM

Young people attract other young people.....it's peer magnetism. Whatever brings them together, if it works, will make an evironment where new friendships will form, and that...will grow.

For an example....once a month they have "Young Adult Weekend" at Cypress Cove. There essentially is no activity besides the notion that other young adults will be there, and because of THAT alone, young people show up.

Florida Cracker

09-05-2007, 03:24 AM

Centauri,
Very good ideas! I wonder how it is that resorts keeping saying they want to attract younger members and the national organizations bemoan the aging of nudism, when neither seem to do anything about it. What they need is some big thinkers like you on their advisory boards and then just get to work on it! If it was really a priority, things would happen.
DoctorSurfer, you are right for sure, but I think we need something for them to do or they will come once or twice and not return. Its true that more young people are coming to the Cove, but the crowd is different each month.
Florida Cracker

D-TX

09-05-2007, 07:51 AM

Originally posted by Croydon:
Centari, you made EXCELLENT suggestions. Some of the activities you have mentioned, especially rock climbing and running, are things I would love to do in nude. If a resort offered, I would definitely go without second thoughts.

A number of the Nudist Clubs here in the AANR-SW (http://www.aanr-sw.org/html/clubs.html) (Texas & Oklahoma) have cross-country running trails. And they host the "AANR-SW Nude Racing Series (http://www.aanr-sw.org/html/nrs.html)" each year.

One thing that may keep a club from installing a climbing wall is the cost of liability insurance.

Take Care & Have Fun Bare,
David

DoctorSurferDude

09-05-2007, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by Florida Cracker:
DoctorSurfer, you are right for sure, but I think we need something for them to do or they will come once or twice and not return. Its true that more young people are coming to the Cove, but the crowd is different each month.
Florida Cracker

True....I've been twice before, and the crowd is kind of scattered around. The event itself is not really promoted and when they arrive there is no focal point to give them an excuse to mingle.

SO....I'm going to help change that. This time we are promoting it on MySpace, etc. And during the day we are going to have a table or tent with a poster on it....this will serve no purpose really than to give the arrivals a reason to come up and say hello. We have 7 or 8 people so far, so if we invite them to hang out with our small group.....it will grow. When people experience an environment like that, they will want to return each month to hang out with their new friends. So the activity doesn't matter as much as forming peer interactions. That's my theory, and I think it will work http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

walter05

09-05-2007, 09:41 AM

DoctorSurferDude;

At that table, I would give out some sort of food and/or beverages. Even chips and cookies would be enough. Healthy chips and cookies would even be better.

Free food and drinks attract young people.

Walt Iliff

09-05-2007, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by Florida Cracker:
Centauri,
Very good ideas! I wonder how it is that resorts keeping saying they want to attract younger members and the national organizations bemoan the aging of nudism, when neither seem to do anything about it. What they need is some big thinkers like you on their advisory boards and then just get to work on it! If it was really a priority, things would happen.
DoctorSurfer, you are right for sure, but I think we need something for them to do or they will come once or twice and not return. Its true that more young people are coming to the Cove, but the crowd is different each month.
Florida Cracker

The problem, as I've stated before, is NOT that there are no 18-35 people showing up. At many resorts and campgrounds, there are a lot of visitors in this age group. Where the problem exists on the national level is that the vast majority of these people while enjoying nudist activities are not joiners and see their activities as an occasional experience, but by and large they don't become members of clubs/campgrounds/resorts, nor do they join the national organizations such as TNS or AANR. Given this well established marketing data vis a vis the Gen X'rs as well as the Millenials, you would find very few owners willing to spend a lot of additional money for programs and/or events which may not lead to a growth in membership. Dr SD is correct when he says that the younger group will go where there are other younger people. White Tail Resort has consistently had a very good mix of ages from infants to octogenarians. Last weekend, WTR was full of nudists of all ages. However, WTR ALWAYS has something going on Friday and Saturday nights. Centauri? Were you there?

Walt Iliff

NudeAl

09-05-2007, 12:58 PM

I look at the success of Burning Man and other similar things like nude Bike rides etc. I think similar sort of things things that are special events that are publicized on the internet.

I know a couple of clubs have done the nude fun run things and offer special shirts as souvineers to those who opt to do the clothing optional run nude. I over heard a couple of college Co-Eds commenting on how cool it was to get these much sought after nude fun run T-shirts. I think nude live music shows are another good one get some hot new bands and get the word out and have them put on a show. Nude Stock as most clubs seem to call them seem popular but if the bands you are getting are not popular with the younger set it will be a bust. I heard of a company up north that offers free bungee jumping one day a year to anyone willing to do it naked, nothing says young and adventurous like nude bungee jumping. Maybe organizing some sort of nude white water rafting trip perhaps guided ones to clothing optional hotsprings? Nude mountain biking in the desert? Rock climbing? Base jumping?

I don't know if this will do much to boost the number of young new members at the clubs but I think it will get a reaction it may even draw a significant number if done right. The best we can do is hope that by exposing them to our clubs at a special event tailored to the young it may generate some return business and free publicity.

Thing is young folks don't want to sit around the pool and play checkers, they want to get out and have a adventure, nude sky diving?? I think that ones been done.

Michjoe

09-05-2007, 07:09 PM

I don't think the reason for the lack of younger members is that they are not joiners as much as it is what presently is available for them to join. If naturists groups were considered more mainstream and the prevailing attitude towards them was more like that in Europe, there would be more and a greater variety of groups. I think then young people would join more often and also form their own clubs. As it is many in the US consider naturists a fringe group of nutty people. Unless and until naturism is considered a more acceptable form of recreation, you won't see a lot of younger people joining.

Florida Cracker

09-06-2007, 03:43 AM

Walt,
I disagree. When I see teens and young adults come to resorts with their families or as young couples, there is not much geared toward their interests. They look, act, and say they are bored! I think "fake name" has the right ideas. Walt, as long as the trustees and boards of our national organizations are made up of older nudists, there will not be any changes on the national level. Until resort owners decide to cater to younger nudists, we will continue to see a decline. Remember, research has clearly shown that the kids in the family ultimately decide where the family vacations. Parents just naturally want their kids to enjoy recreating together with the family.
Florida Cracker

NudeAl

09-06-2007, 12:15 PM

That is exactly the situation I see.

The places I have seen the most young nudists at are nude beaches why? Because there is more stuff they like doing surfing volleyball swimming football whatever and there are more young people there to hang out with. Another reason is it is fairly cheap. If we want them to come to the clubs we will have to devise things they enjoy doing.

Look at the things that they are doing at the non-nudist locations these are the kings of things that will attract them. Most important once you have a good idea for an event you need to get the word out to as many as possible. You also need to be aware that they have limited assets so they should have a reduced rate.

DoctorSurferDude

09-06-2007, 01:33 PM

I think I agree with everybody.... Walt is right too. It actually came up that this generation is not made up of "joiners". In otherwords they aren't likely to gravitate towards and invest in something that is bigger than themselves is there is no immediate reward for doing so. So things like AANR and Club Membership don't attract them as much. That isn't to say they don't want to participate in nudism....they just want to do that with their friends, rather than strangers who are old enough to be their parents/grandparents.

BackpackerBrian described it like this....and I completely agree. There is the "Push" generation, and the "Pull" generation.

The Push generation are the baby boomers....they get their news from newspapers and TV, they shop at their favorite select stores and directly support the things they believe in, etc. They stay employeed with a company for many years if it makes them happy.

The Pull Generation is Gen X/Y. They get their news from the internet, they pull information they want and don't waste time on information they don't. They shop and price items online and have no loyalty to brand or store. They blog about the things they believe in and hold strong opinions, but unless they are directly involved they rarely offer financial support (most don't have established careers yet). They will work for a company as long as the pay is fair, but have no qualms about leaving for another company that pays more.

I agree that resorts need to cater to young adults. I think they need to work double time to make up for all the years they didn't. The events and activities don't need to be specific or special really. They just have to be thoughtful and arranged with the young adults in mind....and if they are to be a success, they need to be planned WITH young adults and promoted by young adults.....you can't use PUSH strategies to reach the PULL generation.

Florida Cracker

09-06-2007, 06:39 PM

DoctorSurfer,
Next time there are AANR elections, you would get my vote if you run for trustee, etc.
Florida Cracker

justnude

09-07-2007, 06:19 AM

I asked my son and his friend this very question while discussing the topic of nudism in general last night. Their reply seemed so simple...other young people. He went on to say, and I quote, "No offense dad, but hanging with a bunch of old naked people isn't all that cool. I need kids my age to hang with". I think I'll just look for my cane and creep over to my rocker...if I could just find my specs! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

Centauri4

09-07-2007, 09:44 PM

Oh my dear Walt! We were SO going to be there, but the a co-worker gave my wife a bug (48 to 72 hour variety)! It was a traumatic let-down after our previous visit the weekend of August 10th! Even our little outward hound adventure dog was sad!! As NEW annual members were are both looking forward to participating in as many activities as possible, and this is a grand new development for my previously lifestyle opposed wife! (she allowed me but had no interest herself).

I am all for a Rock Climbing wall, but I have also considered the liability issue since first posting the suggestion. Without a more informed perspective to write from, all I can say is that ANYBODY can be sued ANYTIME for ANY REASON! Nudist resorts are, by in large to the best of my knowledge, VERY lucky to be patronized by honest people looking to enjoy themselves and make friends! I think even a well-established nudist resort would be devastated by a $1 million dollar civil judgement for negligence, discrimination or the worst "PR" case, a civil-rights violation (or infringement).

I hope well established resorts can have positive track records in their communities, friends in the media (maybe members in the media?) and articulate member witnesses to assist in a defense if ever one is required!

Activities like Rock Wall Climbing would have to be "special", buddy system type activities where nobody climbs alone and a minimum of ordinary safety equipment is worn. Otherwise a separate and distinct liability waiver might be needed to engage in a "new" activity as it is unveiled and introduced at the typical resort!

The activities I have participated in have been incident free to date, and that seems encouraging after 20 years of off-again-on mostly non-landed nudist events!

As far as young folks "hanging" with the old crowd: I always loved learning from my grandfather and cooking with my grandmother! They were sources of comfort, knowledge, entertainment and security for my brother and I while we grew up. I think this is still the predominate view today, and older members without children or grandchildren need to reach-out and offer as much as they hope to receive.
(considering new member revenues help keep resorts operating and viable)

Something I think I do see is "clics" (sp?) formed of 'old timers' or '50 somethings' and '60 somethings', and 'smokers or beer fans'; pretty much some of the same divisions encountered in everyday life just as anyone would expect.

So what is the solution?

Maybe some resorts need to bring in the occasional Interpersonal Relations expert, trained Lifestyle Coach, or even a professional Family Therapist for 'members as a family' counseling.

Every social group has communications difficulties and nobody leaves their psychological "baggage" at the gate, even when it is a nudist resort!

Every perspective new member(s) given a tour of a resort should be extended a opportunity to participate in a feedback session or anonymous survey of their experience which can be returned by mail. Questions should definitely include, "What did you ike most?", "...least?" and "Which three activities would you try first?" or "...last?" (if they can think of ones less desirable). It should be true that everyone has a favorable/fun something they have dreamed of doing in the nude before, and those are the things we should be wondering about.

If a car does not have the features I want, I won't buy it at any price.

(and I have heard my wife state unequivocally, "I wouldn't take that if they were giving it away!" - now that's honest)

G'night.

DoctorSurferDude

09-09-2007, 07:11 AM

Originally posted by Florida Cracker:
DoctorSurfer,
Next time there are AANR elections, you would get my vote if you run for trustee, etc.
Florida Cracker

Thanks.... if only I had the time. I think I also prefer to steer clear of the politics. But I'm as involved as I can be trying to increase the voice and presence of young adult nudists. Boards and committees tend to go in circles and talk about ideas then vote against them.... I'd rather play the part of action and actually DO something instead of just talk about it. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/wink3.gif

SO....the Young Adult Weekend at Cypress Cove was a hit. After just 4 days of promotion on MySpace, etc. we managed to get 11 people there. We didn't really do anything....just sat around like regular nudists do, but I think everybody had a great time and wants to return. Next time the turnout should be even more. My guess is next time we'll be pushing 20....woo hoo!

Sam

Dario Western

09-28-2007, 03:01 PM

Pete Knight

09-28-2007, 11:18 PM

This isn't exactly a new article, but it's still a good guide as to what nudist clubs and organisations could be doing to get new lifeblood involved.

http://www.gymnophiliac.com/2007/05/generation-y.html

You're right its not new, and it didn't say anything new when it was new, it just raises the same old arguments.

Trying to change naturism to fit one societal group merely disenfranchises the older/married/family groups that have the clubs that they want, why can't the proponents of this theory start their own club, why try to change what is already working. By changing clubs to fit the requirements of the younger naturists you'll end up with an imbalance where its all young naturists, who when they get older and have a family, will have nowhere where they feel comfortable because of all those 'noisy kids'.

Trying to change what exists isn't going to enhance the world of naturism, as the author quite rightly says, similar social groups will always gang together, you won't change anything so why try, why not accept the differences, as the French say "Vive la Difference" why can't the youth movement get their act together, look at Britain's YBN as an example of how the youth movement can do their own thing AND not upset the existing arrangements whilst doing so, work together, don't fight those who are happy with how they live their life.

Pete Knight

Sanslines

09-29-2007, 04:46 AM

If (as the article states) Gen Y doesn't like or accept the regimented club routines and the emphasis on non sexual nudism, then they certainly are free to form groups, do whatever they want, make it as sexy as they want, exclude all girls and guys who are not drop dead gorgeous, and go wherever they wish. The article seems to imply that someone or some group of people out there have to do everything for Gen Y to entice them into nudism. This will not work. If Gen Y is not willing to put forth any effort into social nudism, no matter what shape or form that it takes, then even sending chauferred driven limos to pick up Gen Y members to take them to their nudist venues will not be successful. The article seems to very strongly imply and even state that Gen Y is a shallow, superficial, materialistic, and extremely self centered group that is too lazy to form a social nudist group. How can any form of social nudism have a chance of success with such a group?

usuallylurk

09-29-2007, 11:39 AM

"why can't the proponents of this theory start their own club"

Well, there are a number of reasons.

Starting a landed club (club with facilities) takes time, commitment, and money.

Starting a social group takes time and work as well.

The best way to accomplish this?

Find an existing nudist group in your area. That's easy enough to do. Look at the AANR and TNS pages. GO TO ONE OF THEIR EVENTS.

OK, you're in your 20s? And you go, and everyone's in their 50s and 60s? FINE. Tell them at the next gathering, you'd like to bring some friends.

You'd like to start your own group and use clothefree.com as a base?

I would say = forgeddaboudit.

Many of those in here have never experienced social nudism for themselves and when presented with opportunites to do so, they balk.

This is a wonderful place to discuss issues and get information. It's a lousy place, I've observed, for trying to organize clubs and groups and even people in a specific geographic area.

Advice - check out the groups and clubs in your area. If you want to start your own, by all means, list it here but also list it in the organized nudism journals (AANR Bulletin, TNS' "N" magazine).

SpiderThug

09-29-2007, 04:41 PM

I can't blame the young for seeing the naked body as purely for sex since this is all they have seen growing up. Their music video clips is full of overly sexually suggestive dancing.

Britney Spears concerts involved a MC getting children as young as 8 years old to talk about how good masturbation is. This is why nudism is seen as sex. Getting past this view is a very hard task.

EricNY

09-29-2007, 05:17 PM

I can't blame the young for seeing the naked body as purely for sex since this is all they have seen growing up.

All the more reason to expose them to non sexual nudity in a safe environment.

My three children do not batt an eye at mere nudity...its just no big deal to them. Therefore they are not as eager to find it elsewhere like their non nudist freinds

SpiderThug

09-29-2007, 05:30 PM

All the more reason to expose them to non sexual nudity in a safe environment.

My three children do not batt an eye at mere nudity...its just no big deal to them. Therefore they are not as eager to find it elsewhere like their non nudist freinds

Same here mate. When they see the glimpses of nudity on tv or in magazines, etc they do not think twice about it. Sometimes, my 10 and 6 year olds say that the person is attractive and there is no sexual connection to it whatsoever.

johnbare

09-30-2007, 01:11 PM

In general I think that Pete Knight is correct, it is probably very difficult to get a club which is able to satisfy everyone, and far easier to create one which no one is happy with.

Another hobby with which I'm involved has similar problems with an ageing membership, and if a youngster does come along then they seldom find anyone of there own age, which for them is obviously an immediate turn off. Unfortunately even a warm the welcome from the older members is, understandably, not sufficient to keep them coming.

Aside from the additional body issues which naturism brings, most youngsters by their early teens are reluctant to be seen with their parents regardless of the activity, therefore they probably won't want to go to the same clubs anyway.

Pete mentions YBN in the UK as example of something that is working well, and something this seems to be the way forward. I would add that the national organizations do have a key role in helping youth come up with solutions.

EricNY

09-30-2007, 01:25 PM

Combined threads with User Dario Western
How to get the younger generations interested in nudism.

Centauri4

10-02-2007, 09:48 PM

THE, "I forgot to title my Reply, Reply..."

If (as the article states)
If Gen Y is not willing to put forth any effort into social nudism, no matter what shape or form that it takes, then even sending chauferred driven limos to pick up Gen Y members to take them to their nudist venues will not be successful. The article seems to very strongly imply and even state that Gen Y is a shallow, superficial, materialistic, and extremely self centered group that is too lazy to form a social nudist group. How can any form of social nudism have a chance of success with such a group?

I think this is a very good point, but add that current OLDER members were YOUNG once themselves. Isn't that when they (we) joined?

I enjoy the current offerings at my resort, but would certainly LOVE to try even more. So I plan on attending the Activities Planning meeting for the coming year and REALLY trying to participate actively.

Nudism does not appeal to everyone.
Organized Social Nudism (OSN) will NOT eventually appeal to everyone.
A person either tries it and has a good experience, or tries it once and is disappointed.

It is kind of like trying an unfamiliar food, either the misconceptions are confirmed or shattered and I think for some personality types it *MAY BE* a one shot thing. So that is where the "open-mindedness" plea and "health benefits" and friendliness of members all come into play.

This past weekend I intentionallly sat near a group of members I do not really know at my resort, and as in ordinary textile life there were still social hesitancies to overcome. Breaking the ice, not "butting in", saying something intelligent; all of the same issues anyone might face in any crowd.

I explained this away to myself, at the time, by thinking I would wait until the wife finished her massage and then I could introduce her/us... But when she arrived there was still a distinct level of reservation hanging around my mind... No idea why really. What did we do you may wonder? Let is pass and just enjoyed the afternoon casually relaxing and not caring about much. Please don't hold it against me for being lazy (-ish) and shy if you were one of the three or four couples nearby! I will try harder next time.

My point is there are all sorts of reasons WHY nudism may not work for someone on their first or second visit, and simple curiosity about a "static" community of otherwise unremarkable people probably won't keep anyone coming back.

Previously I have enjoyed running and bicycling at the resort, both of which of course feel great and are good fitness activities. So I plan on forming a "Cycling Challengers" team (perhaps) and a "Run for your life!" comedy troupe! Think that's funny? Well, you try jogging and joking at the same time!

Best wishes for the continuation of this thread!
THANKS!!!
.

Sanslines

10-03-2007, 05:32 AM

I think this is a very good point, but add that current OLDER members were YOUNG once themselves. Isn't that when they (we) joined?

Hi Centauri,

Thanks for your reply. I think that there is a tremendous difference between today and the 1960's, when many of the older members joined. Back in the '60's, so many people at least tried nudism and there was a very large interest in the nudist movement. Today, apathy seems to rule, and the focus of today's world seems to be almost exclusively on making money and buying things. Today's younger generations are more interested in so many of the electronic gadgets that just did not exist in the '60's. Many of the younger generation of today would consider going for hikes to be a 'quaint idea from the past'. Many people are not in tune with nature today and outdoor nudism and appreciation of nature seem to go hand in hand.

johnbare

10-03-2007, 10:17 AM

I've also looked back many (too many) years as to what my friends and I used to do a teenagers for leisure activities, and I've frequently said "we used to do ...." However things move on and doubtless our parents said the same, as will the youngsters of today when they have children.

My only regret so far as naturism goes, is that I only followed a long held desire to try it a couple of years ago when I was in my mid fifties, and not when I was a teenager.

benakkied

10-03-2007, 01:51 PM

Johnbare I agree I was enjoying nudism myself but was concerned about what others would say. Now that I am older and I find a lot of people are enjoying being nude! The woman are very careful who they get socially nude with. Younger people are more secret about what they are doing. Tan lines tell the truth!

Centauri4

10-04-2007, 07:35 PM

...Many of the younger generation of today would consider going for hikes to be a 'quaint idea from the past'. Many people are not in tune with nature today and outdoor nudism and appreciation of nature seem to go hand in hand.

I am not sure this is completely accurate. There seems to be a strong and growing interest in eco-tourism, outdoors activities such as mountain biking and (some) family trips to places like the Amazon rainforest or Alaskan coastlines (not great for nudism).

If an unappreciation of the outdoors seems apparent to first visit nudists, on discussion boards and other occasions, and we believe it is important, then it should always be included in 'Why nudism...' or 'Why nudism outdoors...' discussions. And perhaps there are way to appeal to people's basic, essential urges to connect with nature as a GOOD thing and create bonds to us that way.

I would definitely include a line such as, "The more outdoor time you have in good weather, the more you will enjoy BEING outdoors."

Andrey

10-04-2007, 11:59 PM

Hi Centauri,

Thanks for your reply. I think that there is a tremendous difference between today and the 1960's, when many of the older members joined. Back in the '60's, so many people at least tried nudism and there was a very large interest in the nudist movement. Today, apathy seems to rule, and the focus of today's world seems to be almost exclusively on making money and buying things. Today's younger generations are more interested in so many of the electronic gadgets that just did not exist in the '60's. Many of the younger generation of today would consider going for hikes to be a 'quaint idea from the past'. Many people are not in tune with nature today and outdoor nudism and appreciation of nature seem to go hand in hand.
Here in Russia youngsters are also attracted by various electronic gadgets, but the enjoy nude life style as well. Russian steam sauna is national culture and many young men and women visit saunas every week. Last couple years I see a lot of young people on the nude beaches as well.

10-07-2007, 05:43 AM

I feel that a lot of younger people shy away from trying due to time commitments and the planning it takes to go to a resort. For people that aren’t lucky enough to live in the warmer climates there might be a dozen weekends or so a year where it is warm enough to enjoy a resort. You add in a vacation, weddings, family commitments and other things that come up during the weekend there aren’t too many left to check out the resort. If it is raining or too warm then there is even less. Many places let you visit a couple times and then you have to join. I’m not sure that anyone would join something where they only have an opportunity to use it a couple times a year at best.

We are in our 20’s and my wife and I have decided to make the time to go to the resort so we can see spending the money in joining. We have talked to several of our friends and they would like to go check it out someday but they are more spur of the moment type people. The resort we belong to you have to make plans to bring in a visitor in advance. Most that we have gone to that is the case. It really prohibits people visiting on the whim. I understand that give some control to who visits but it also prohibits spur of the moment people. Ask someone in their 20’s what they are going to do next weekend and unless something is planned, most don’t know until the end of the week.

To promote nudism to the younger crowd, I think by better promoting the resort is a start. Everyone knows where nude beaches are but many people would be surprised that there is a nudist resort less than half an hour out of town. Look at how many younger people go to tanning salons to get a tan, by promoting a natural, no tan lines tan that might entice some to check it out. Also many bars in my town have volleyball leagues at night. Several have games that start every hour of the night everyday of the week. By starting a nude volleyball league during the week with a cash prize that might make some people check it out. Finally by having a secluded area for those that are shy or their partner is reluctant it would be a good area for them to get their feet wet.

JDilibe990

10-08-2007, 09:35 AM

Music Festivals and Music concerts are a great way of bringing my generation. I tend to go to Jam Band scene festivals allot during the summer and always notice women, and the occasionally nude person walking around. Throwing a festival at clothing optional place would do well. Especially in the north East during the summer.

A good example of a festival going on soon is at the Hedonism 3 and Breezes resort in Runaway Bay, Jamaica.
caribbeanholidaze.com/home.php

"Taking place December 13-17, 2007 at two of Jamaica's most celebrated and lavish resorts, both Umphrey's McGee and The Disco Biscuits will each be performing three shows.

Special guests Keller Williams and the Benevento Russo Duo will be throwing down for two special performances apiece, as well as sets from Mad Professor with The Ariwa Posse and the incredible return of the Brain Damaged Eggmen for one night!

Join 800 friends as we take over both resorts for this once-in-a-lifetime concert experience!"

Raul_Duke

10-08-2007, 10:38 AM

Free is always the best way. Lets say under 35 gets in free. And promote it as All over natural tanning free for 35 and unders. IMHO

SymonSez

10-11-2007, 11:26 PM

For the coastal beach areas, try to get some of the surf companies to throw some kind of bash at a nude beach. Throw a competition, then have a few hometown bands liven it up afterwards. Being that nude beaches are usually nude optional, this should attract the normal clothed crowd and at the same time introduce them to the nude crowd without forcing them to be nude.

I think went I first started going to San Onofre back in 2002, Volcom or Hurley had a surf comp going on a few hundred yards from the c/o part of the beach. I just thought it would have been cool if it was actually IN the nude part cause the general crowd could have gotten their feet wet in nudism by just sitting down naked or topless and enjoying the comp.

johnbare

10-14-2007, 01:00 AM

I feel that a lot of younger people shy away from trying due to time commitments and the planning it takes to go to a resort.

Ask someone in their 20’s what they are going to do next weekend and unless something is planned, most don’t know until the end of the week.

To promote nudism to the younger crowd, I think by better promoting the resort is a start. Everyone knows where nude beaches are but many people would be surprised that there is a nudist resort less than half an hour out of town.

I feel that PT has made some good points. In general unless its buying tickets for an unmissable pop festival there is not a lot of advanced planning carried out. A lot of the planning for a weekend appears to be short term and done by text message at the back end of the week. And then its a case of seeing what the best thing "on offer" is, before committing to anything.

The comment about not knowing where resorts are is also valid. An internet search will probably help, but only where someone has actually made the decision to seek one out.

Cheffred

10-14-2007, 09:10 AM

How about Cooking classes? Does anyone ever want those anymore?

Sanslines

10-14-2007, 04:36 PM

How about Cooking classes? Does anyone ever want those anymore?

Absolutely and you haven't cooked unless you have taken a good class in 'cooking with a wok'

enertronik

11-23-2007, 01:57 PM

Maybe something with video games. Many young people are gamers. Have Madden or Halo tournaments for prizes and young people would show up.

Sorry I laughed out loud when I pictured a bunch of nude people nerding out to Halo 3. I'd be there, though, for sure.

enertronik

11-23-2007, 02:03 PM

back to the first post about activities; I've always wanted to participate in more nude watersports. Skim boarding has always been on my list of things to try nude, along with boating. I'd probably put the shorts on for wakeboarding, due to the possibility of injury, but whatever.

I would be super stoked about a nude resort if I knew there would be other younger people there, I knew there was nearly 100% nudity, and I knew there were activities and areas for youth.

For example, if there was a club on the premises with some bumping dance music, I'd be there so fast. Too many nudist resorts are boring and quiet and I feel like I can't do what I want to do. If I'm camping, I want to be the campsite where all the young people come over and hang out because we're the campsite with the fire going all night, the music playing, and the good times happening.

What nudist resort can you go to and you can be awake past 10? Perhaps it's just that the rules seem harsher at a nudist resort; I guess most campsites don't really want you noisy all night either, but maybe a noisy area? I just don't know. What I do know is that I want to act like I'm 24 when I'm at a nudist resort, and most make me feel like I can't do that.

enertronik

11-24-2007, 12:45 AM

...lots of the activities mentioned are quite male orientated, i would quite like activities like dancing (not night-club type dancing, proper dancing maybe classical) also yoga would be great too

Dancing and yoga, I'd be game for both. Good call.

stevemathews

11-24-2007, 04:16 AM

johnbare

11-25-2007, 02:59 AM

If the resorts had more sports and activities like sailing or canoeing it would probably attract us younger naturists. As most resorts seem just to be lazing around in the sun all day which can be boring after a while

Thats a fair point, I'm in the mid fifties and I would get feed up lying in the sun all day. No doubt some resorts have more going on than others, but there is obviously a perception, true or false, that things are generally on the quiet side.

muntz

11-25-2007, 10:17 PM

Dancing and yoga, I'd be game for both. Good call.

I have been to quite a few dances at clubs, but I haven't seen bump or grind dancing...maybe the teens have that music at their dances...would it be appropriate for young people? Pretty risque, isn't it?
Love good ol' rock and roll, though! Especially with a live band! Super!

blackrebel

11-25-2007, 10:50 PM

This is being thought out in the wrong direction. Too many are not thinking about the pop culture mind-set of the younger generations.

They are brainwashed to think that to be naked you are about to or just had sex.

Next, only ONLY hot people can be naked.

The women have self esteem issues that are taught to think that you have to look like Paris or some other icon to be seen naked.

There are many who are not of that mindset and those are your potential members. Those who are not into looking hot, working out to be a size 6 or less or having to be ripped.

We need to make a overt effer to attract people who are fed up with the pop culture of being perfect and those who are comfortable with who they are, emotionally and physically. Basically we attract them with "Tired of phoney judgemental people? Are you a self thinker? Tired of having to comply with what pop culture tells you to do?" type of approach.

We should elevate REAL PEOPLE and let them come to us so that they can feel comfortable and show them how real we are.

That is just a start to attract the people who WE want.

NakedGary

11-25-2007, 11:59 PM

We should elevate REAL PEOPLE and let them come to us so that they can feel comfortable and show them how real we are.

That is just a start to attract the people who WE want.


blackrebel

How would you suggest accomplishing elevation and attraction of people we want?

All I seem to see in the media and streets is pop culture youth:

Girls in split short tops and tight jeans down to their pubes.

Guys with skateboards, and over-sized baggy pants to their ankles and below.

Dario Western

11-26-2007, 01:25 AM

There are several problems involved with trying to encourage teens and young adults to nudism and naturism. The first is the fact that we in America and Australia have radically different cultural laws regarding nudity than in most of Europe, and societal tabooes affect young people greatly.

As I have said on a few other forums now, I was recently barred from a Brisbane street music magazine's forum when I posted up some links to nudist sites from Byron Bay and Europe that showed young people enjoying naturist activities, after one person on it said that virtually all naturists were 'fat exhibitionists with superiority complexes'. The mods accused me of condoning child pornography and said that my views on nudism were out of touch with the rest of society.

If it really was so easy to be doing as we might claim, then why isn't a good 98% of the youth population into it?

There are several reasons for this:

1) Teens and young adults today are a lot more conservative and self-conscious and do worry what other people say and think of them. Gen X and Y people tend to be the most self-absorbed people on this planet.
2) Nudism is not 'hip' anymore, except for young hippies and ferals and they are pretty much a minority in youth culture than they were back in the 60's and 70's
3) As has been often said, being naked = sex to them. For those in the textile media, it makes things far more simpler for them to perpetuate that paradigm. Added to that there have been a number of sexual predators getting busted by the FBI, some of whom have been involved in nudism. This doesn't help our cause.
4) Generation X and Y does not have the same disposable income that the baby boomers have. More and more people under 40 these days are on a low income and are not willing to commute to a remote place and spend heaps of money for the liberty of taking off their clothes. Most prefer to do it in the privacy of their homes or bedrooms when their folks are away. I've found this to be the case with a number of young aged nudists I've talked to over the past couple of years.
5) No strenuous and exciting activity for them at clubs. I don't exactly call a nudist club attracting only 11 youngsters to sit around and do bugger all the whole day a success. You've got to keep them excited, amused, and pumping. Maybe some of these nudist club owners should get out of their comfort zones and go to youth orientated textile events to see what it is that make the young tick and go and apply those principles to their own clubs.

I think nude rock music festivals are a cool idea - I went to one over 2 years ago at Pacific Sun Friends over the ANZAC day holiday, but the way they promoted it was ****house. There were only about 15 young adults there and I became friends with a couple of them afterwards. However, none of them really continued on with nudist activities no matter how much myself and other friends tried encouraging them.

I can't write much more as I've got to head out now, but I hope that answers a few of your questions.

Centauri4

12-17-2007, 10:49 PM

We need to make a overt effer to attract people who are fed up with the pop culture of being perfect and those who are comfortable with who they are, emotionally and physically. Basically we attract them with "Tired of phoney judgemental people? Are you a self thinker? Tired of having to comply with what pop culture tells you to do?" type of approach.

We should elevate REAL PEOPLE and let them come to us so that they can feel comfortable and show them how real we are.

This is a good point. What is "fun"? How much does "fun" cost?

Telling stories and sharing positive experiences of things done nude can spread the message of what nudism has to offer younger crowds. I really enjoy nude hiking, and I know this is a recreational activity and sport others under 50 are doing, so I write and talk about it. I write about nude hiking with both the thrilling exhilaration and full-body cooling aspects often included, and I have posted those writings elsewhere besides CF Forums.

Another thing that occurs to me is answering the, "Well, why would I want to do that nude?" type questions that are likely to occur when purposing or discussing recreational and lifestyle activities with younger crowds. Seriously, I think people want to know what makes "nude dancing" more fun than clothed dancing? They can surmise from a social point of view you are getting to know your dance partners on a more revealing level, but for some young people the inhibitions mixed with dancing in a fully clothed setting are tough enough! I was a "shy" and reserved person when it came to "clubbing" and approaching girls simply to ask them to dance. This is a social "fear" condition tied to the embarrassment of rejection, but that has to do more with "self-esteem" and "self-confidence" than the act of dancing; being as we are capable of projecting the "worst case outcome" in our imaginations, I wonder if some people CONSIDERING a first nudist outing are stopping themselves by doing that?

What if she throws a drink in my face?
What if she gives me one of those ego "crushing" looks?

Will I be as socially awkward in the nude as I am fully dressed?
What will I talk about?
If someone catches me looking at them I will be [socially] embarrassed! (again, ego bruising)

Young and less socially experienced members of society with some disposable income may be a statistically significant portion of the untapped market, but conveying true value in nudism as a "value added" experience could be tough!

Can we get a Barnes & Noble, F.Y.E., multi-screen cineplex and Starbucks to open ON the grounds of a nudist resort? Hmmm.

CCNude

12-18-2007, 12:43 AM

Please, no! One of the joys of a nudist resort is the distance from any Starbucks.

enertronik

12-18-2007, 07:52 AM

Please, no! One of the joys of a nudist resort is the distance from any Starbucks.

Well maybe it will be a draw for some people; young people. There are different types of clothed resorts, perhaps we need more variety within our nude resorts. Some should be laid back, others more active, others still with a Starbucks inside.

Naturist4Ever

12-18-2007, 10:07 AM

1) Teens and young adults today are a lot more conservative and self-conscious and do worry what other people say and think of them. Gen X and Y people tend to be the most self-absorbed people on this planet.
2) Nudism is not 'hip' anymore, except for young hippies and ferals and they are pretty much a minority in youth culture than they were back in the 60's and 70's
3) As has been often said, being naked = sex to them. For those in the textile media, it makes things far more simpler for them to perpetuate that paradigm.

So true, spot on. Although there are regional variations (say Europe vs US and Germany vs Ireland, for example), your observations above are entirely correct. In addition, young people (let's say the under 25's) want action, they have a shorter attention span, they need a continous kick.

4) Generation X and Y does not have the same disposable income that the baby boomers have. More and more people under 40 these days are on a low income and are not willing to commute to a remote place and spend heaps of money for the liberty of taking off their clothes.

One of the problems is that in some countries one is more or less totally dependent on the existence of nudist clubs to practice nudism/naturism, because of lack of appropriate beaches etc. So let's turn this around, how would the case for nudism change if 5% of ALL beach areas (both along the coast and inland) was clothes optional. Today in the US the real number is probably 100x less than that (if not even less). In Holland it is probably between 20-40%. In Germany the same.

5) No strenuous and exciting activity for them at clubs. I don't exactly call a nudist club attracting only 11 youngsters to sit around and do bugger all the whole day a success.

Correct. It is not always clear what young people want. What I do know - and which is what I use as my reference frame at our local nudist club) is that nearby beaches draw a lot of young people and there isn't that much to do their either other than "have fun". So why is that. It is simple: young people like to hang out with other young people, they find eachother quickly enough. If there are no young people, then the few that appear get turned off and disappear. There are always exceptions, but generally this is true
(the same applies to women: how to attract more single women? Have other single women, and limit the overwhelming dominance of single men (sorry, but that is just the way it works for most)).

I don't have the full answer either, but for once yes I am convinced that a starbucks could work wonders. Hey, I don't like it either but no-one forces me to go there! Fact is, many young people think starbucks is a cool thing, and you need cool things lift your place/club
above the average crowd. Oh, and WiFi! (hehe).