How many of you are closet nudists?

[Mike1986]

How many of you are nudists living with your parents who are not nudists? Im one of em. It sucks having parents who are totaly against this type of thing. I havnt expeirenced social nudism yet. I havnt seen a naked female or male in person(well cept me) in my life. Ill visit a resort when im 18 (in 2 years) How many of you are also nudists living at home without parents knowing?

[Mike1986]

How many of you are nudists living with your parents who are not nudists? Im one of em. It sucks having parents who are totaly against this type of thing. I havnt expeirenced social nudism yet. I havnt seen a naked female or male in person(well cept me) in my life. Ill visit a resort when im 18 (in 2 years) How many of you are also nudists living at home without parents knowing?

[Dude in Nor Cal]

I'm a "closet nudist" not in the sense that the 'rents don't approve, just that I don't think it's the sort of thing we need to talk about. Resorts sometimes descriminate against single males- if you live near the coast, you might want to go to a beach, that's how I got my intro.

Anyone else think of any place people under the age of 18 can go chill naked besides "appropriate" beaches?

[Nakedman61]

Mike when I was your age I did not know nudism even existed. If I had known about it I would have been in the same situation you are in now. My parents would have been against it. I would have known better than to even thought about nudism. Unfortunately there is not much you can do until you get old enough to get out on your own and make your own decisions. I will never tell you to sneak around and do anything behind your parents back because I don't want you to get in trouble. It might seem like a long time off but it really will not be that long before you will be old enough to do anything you want to do. When that time comes I strongly encourage you to become a nudist. You will love it. I wish you the best of luck. Nakedman61

[Bartamus]

Nude in Nor Cal and Mikey1986..Natural Hot
Springs are the best way to be naked with
other naturists. There are many in California
that are in the woods or the deserts and are
free. There are also some that are parts of
various resorts. A good one near Ukiah,
California is Ore Hot Springs. It's 22 bucks
for an all day/evening soak. It's all nude
and very relaxing/sociable place

[Mike1986]

Thanks Naked man, and Bartumus...I live In Northern VA. So I dont really know if there are any nudist places besides Whitetail in Central VA. Hey do any other nudist live near northern Virginia?

[Bartamus]

Mike1986: You might try looking up Hot
Springs in your area by using the Naturist
Explorer on the clothesfree.com website

[Trailscout]

Mike,
I don't know how close to Springfield, VA you are, but one of the nudist clubs rents an athletic club once a month: Bare Buns (http://www.takeoffwithus.com/) is their name.

A couple of years will go by quickly and you can join in the fun.

[Mike1986]

Traiscout, thanks. I live near Sprigfield, its about 10 mins from here, do they let single males come in too? Because if I go, most likely Ill be going by myself since I dont know any nudists locally.

[Dominus Nudo]

Topic - me too, I'm hoping to get "caught" (it's nothing bad, so I can't get in any trouble, except "why didn't you tell us sooner?" which is easy). Once I can drive (I'm 14) I think I might go to a secluded area and be free. But there aren't many naturist places in Massachusetts (As far as I could tell, 3 of 4 listed were for gays (nothing against them, but it's not my environment)).

There's a smallish forest near my house, I'm thinking of veturing there sometime.

[arakel2]

hello mike I'm 14 in July & live close to Richmond. I,ve been locking for other teenage naturalists in VA.

private message me
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[S.M.A.]

I'm definitly in the same boat you are. I'm going to make this short, because it feels like I write the same thing everytime I'm here, and I don't want to get repetative, but I come from a conservative background where naturism is somewhat unwelcome. I hang out in the nude whenever I can, even though I'm alone and the only things I do when in the buff is do homework and watch television. I'm just as frustrated as you are, buddy.

[florida-david]

s.m.a. - if i recall, i think you are in a better situation than some of the other teens in that you are older (19?) and can probably get away from home to enjoy some nudist activities. the question is - will they let you into a nudist resort? a single male often has difficulties with this. please keep us informed on your nudist successes and failures, as i'm sure their are numerous other teens that come to this site and do not register or post but would love to hear how it is going.

thanks

[AussieBeachBoy]

Mike, I fall into that category too.

It's not that I think my parents wouldn't approve, it's just something that I don't want to share with them.

I also haven't shared it with my friends. One friend even saw my car in the carpark near a nudist beach near his place the other day and asked what I was doing there, I said I was going hiking (which was partly true - it's a hike to get to the beach!). I have a couple of other friends who I know go to nude beaches but although in some ways I would love to be able to go with them, in other ways my nudism is a private thing and I'm not ready to share it with them (yet!).

[NakedGary]

Dude in Nor Cal.

www.lagunadelsol.com (http://www.lagunadelsol.com)
Near Sacramento, CA is one of the most single friendly resorts in California.

They have free tours on weedends and by arrangement during the week.

"NakedGary"

[Hooked]

Hey Aussie Boy...Tell your friends! It would be great to have friends already into it...I understand if you aren't ready though /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifbut if I were you, I would jump on the opprtunity. Anyway, I am much older than most of you all (23) but I still live at home (hoping to change that soon) and I don't tell my parents either. If i am off to visit a naturist venue I simply say I am going to the park or going camping which is all true. Ambiguity is a naturist's friend lol...Also, when I have the house to myself, which is rare, I go free(like right now as a matter of fact). It's kinda sad not having too many people who know about your lifestyle. Like last weekend I won a silver medal in a nude 5K and couldn't tell anyone about it but online peeps (I have to hide the medal and the souvenir t-shirt) /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Would have been nice to be able to share that with people closer to me. I wouldn't suggest to anyone that they go to places in public that aren't legally specified clothing-optional. I know that a lot of people do, but just realize that the consequences MIGHT be very severe (being registered as a sex offender is the most extreme case I can think of depending on local laws in your area). It should be fairly simple to prove your innocence or at least disprove sexual misconduct charges but who even wants to be charged with such a thing? Not only that, but if that happened you would be very much "out of the closet" as you would need parental help to go through court...lol...my two cents...

I am not totally open about this with many people. I don't use fake names when I meet other naturists at naturist places. I have only told a few non-naturists and that is because they showed a slight interest. I would never tell my parents, they think I am weird enough already(but trust me, the feeling is mutual, lol). I would probably never tell my co-workers (I work in a federal facility where ANYTHING can be considered sexual harassment). I might tell SOME of my friends but I have found that words like "nudist" and "naturist" scare people off fast, so instead I suggest we go skinny dipping or if it is a hot summer night, we go streak across a field just for fun(I know I am contradicting myself here lol) while these activies may not be totally naturist, they do aclimate people to being naked in a social setting and then when it finally comes out that I visit naturist camps, it's not a shock and maybe they will be interested enough to want to join me. Also, I might, might, might tell SOME of my siblings(I have a lot of em)...it would just have to depend on if I thought they would want to know and would be receptive to it. For instance, I think my parents would rather not know at all. wow, didn't mean to write that much...hope it helps...

[florida-david]

aussie boy - go ahead and tell your friends if they already seem to be nudists. or better yet, ask them and see what they say. youare young, go out and enjoy yourself with your friends...

[AussieBeachBoy]

Thanks for the encouragement guys. Though I am a shy guy and it will take a while for me to get over that. While I like being with my friends I also like my 'quiet times' and going to a quiet beach on my own is actually pretty good.

[Bartamus]

Hooked: There are times when long responces to the original post are well worth while. Yours is
one of them. Congrats on the 5k race.
Hopefully we'll meet you one day

[unkat27]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mike1986:
How many of you are nudists living with your parents who are not nudists? Im one of em. It sucks having parents who are totaly against this type of thing. I havnt expeirenced social nudism yet. I havnt seen a naked female or male in person(well cept me) in my life. Ill visit a resort when im 18 (in 2 years) How many of you are also nudists living at home without parents knowing? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[unkat27]

By closet nudist, i assume you mean doing it whenever there are no others around to prevent you. Of this, I can identify. I first discovered it when my mother moved and left the house up for sale, with me as a house-sitter. After the house was sold, I looked for an apartment, and finally found one that my financial status could cover; a small, 'studio' one-room with a bath and kitchen adjoined. Now I hang out naked, by myself, but my movements are restricted to the small apartment. Running about naked in that house was by far much more fun, but alas, such is the nature of human experience. The thing to do, of course, would be to rent a house with a small group of naturists.
Now that would be fun. unkat27, see my subject
'medical marijauna' at the forum.

[Nude_Youth_Of_The_Nation]

Hey!

How's it going? Like many of you I too am a closet Nudist, My life is controlled by my parents & my religion. If my parents found out that I want to be a Nudist they would hit the ceiling (For example my cover was blown last year because I was talking to other teenage Nudists and my mother intercepted one of the messages. My mother freaked out and sat me down and told me to never think about Nudism again due to the fact it's against my religion, I never felt so uncomfortable in my life) anyways I too share the burden of Parents being against Nudism, and that's why I'm looking at Colleges & Universities that are a good four/five hour drive away from my parents. Hang in thier guys we'll get through this together.

Peace

Nude_Youth_Of_The_Nation

[florida-david]

nude youth of the nation - there are many intersting websites that discuss religion and naturism. i'm not sure of your religion, but i feel that most religions do not necessarily say nudism is a sin. please look into it for your own good. religion and nudism can go well together...

NY of the N,

As a Christian I understand the problem of wanting to enjoy nudism when your religion says it's wrong. Add to that parents who freak out over your interest in nudism, and you've really got a problem.

Try to find a good college that is near a nudist club or resort that will allow single men, or at least near a nude beach. I'm way past the age of having to account to anyone other than God. I'm moving into a nudist resort that has been named the Friendliest Nudist Resort for the last three years in Georgia. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[NcfootballCV]

I'm also a closet nudist and wish to become involved in social nudism when I'm old enough to go to a club. I live in central PA so there's not many nude beaches near me /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Bartamus]

Nude Youth of the Nation: We feel your pain.
Welcome to the INA forum. You'll always have support here.

[Mike1986]

Hey nude youth of the nation...

Hey man im the same place youre at dude. Dont this suck! lol.

oh well i fell youre pain..but ill be out in a year and a half so its all good, homey.

later

[Trailscout]

Mike,
I was looking back at the August part of this thread and I realized that I never answered your question.

Yes, Bare Buns (http://www.takeoffwithus.com/) does allow single males at their athletic club events. Just call and let them know to expect you. It is one night a month. They usually have a shuttle driver meet people at the Springfield METRO station to drive them the rest of the way or if you have a car, you could just go to the health club with the directions they give you. It won't be long buddy and you will be there, too!

P.S. Click on the link to learn more about the club and the event.

[Raised_by_She-Wolf]

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Hola, I'm a newbie! (But it wasn't really necessary to announce that /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif )
I empathize with all the closet nudists' frustrations. I, too, grew up in a prudish household where everyone's legs are glowing white due to lack of ever seeing the light of day. I've always been fascinated with running around nude, but I thought I was a perv or something. I used to wait until everyone was asleep, then I'd strip naked and sit around watching tv. (Not much else to do when I'm trying to avoid waking everyone) Now I'm glad to know that I'm perfectly normal and not a freak, but if my mom or dad ever found out of my closet naturism, they'd disown me for sure. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[florida-david]

well, i'm not sure if you are completely normal, as there is no such thing. but at least there are other similarly minded naked people and HERE WE ARE!!!!!!!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[Trailscout]

Hey there Raised-by-a-she-wolf!

We were all born nude, our bodies were designed to function best when nude, it is more comfortable to be nude in mild weather and we don't learn to be ashamed of our natural state until someone teaches us otherwise.

So which is more normal, to compulsively cover yourself with woven threads at all times so that no one ever sees your natural self, to never see the entire bodies of other members of your own species; OR to throw off all these artificial wrappings and just be a human being in his natural state?

I think you and I know the answer to this question, but I am testing the skeptics who might be visiting this page!

[NoodJuggler]

Hi all. I am not a closet nudist, I am a nudist with a closet. When I was your ages (12-16} We never heard of a Nudist, let alone a Closet Nudist. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I welcome all you young ones..

"A child who has never been allowed to see his parents and brothers and sisters naked sees nudity as something shocking."

- Dr. Helga Fleischhauer-Hardt, Show Me (New York: St. Martin`s Press, 1975).

"Gymnophobia (from the Greek word for nude gymnos) is the fear of being (or seeing others) naked. A gymnophobic person usually wants to prevent others from experiencing the freedom of not wearing clothes."

- Anon

Enjoy Your Stay...Keithmj

[MaxUK]

Trailscout,

We were all born nude, our bodies were designed to function best when nude, it is more comfortable to be nude in mild weather and we don't learn to be ashamed of our natural state until someone teaches us otherwise.

So which is more normal, to compulsively cover yourself with woven threads at all times so that no one ever sees your natural self, to never see the entire bodies of other members of your own species; OR to throw off all these artificial wrappings and just be a human being in his natural state?

Wow - do you knit your own yoghurt and sit around naked in some commune somewhere chanting spiritual mantra's all day long?? Anyone would think you had never lived in the real world, reading the above!!

What's all that about 'Our bodies were designed to work best when naked'!! Where did that gem of wisdom come from??

People do NOT wear clothes just to hide themselves from other people due to 'body shame' or whatever. They do it because it is quite obviously far more practical to wear clothes for the vast majority of everyday activities - ie. working, shopping, playing sport, etc. etc.

Of course its 'normal' for a 3 year old to run around naked in the garden, but when that 3 year old becomes older, starts venturing out into the real world where everyone is clothed, from then on it is the clothed state that becomes 'normal' and not nudity. That is not to say however, that nudity is 'not normal' per se, just not normal in the majority of situations.

Max

The only time, in my opinion, it's "normal" or even necessary to wear clothes is to protect ourselves from cold weather or from harm while doing some work that could cause harm, or frying bacon.

Body shame IS a taught and learned process and NOT normal. Society says that clothing is normal and nudity isn't, but it's the other way around and the natural and normal state of the body is nude. Ever since the first humans covered their bodies we have been taught and brainwashed into believing that the body MUST be covered at all times when around other people. There is nothing natural or normal about body shame. If people have learned to be ashemed of their bodies, they can unlearn it and learn that there is nothing shameful about nudity even in mixed company, or even with entire families. Those who believe that there is are the ones who are not "normal". Of course, this is just an opinion. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Raised_by_She-Wolf]

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Max, maybe wearing clothes is the "norm" (after all, I've never seen a naked person running around in public in my life. Or in my house, for that matter). And I'm not blatantly opposed to clothes. In fact, clothes shopping is one of my favorite pastimes. But god, sometimes I just wish that I could run around somewhere outside with no clothes on like that kid in "The Jungle Book!" If any such place existed near my town where nudity is considered the "norm", I'd swallow that place hook, line, and sinker!

[Newguy23]

Same here.

[Trailscout]

Max,
I forget that you live in damp chilly England where there aren't as many days of the year where outdoor nudity would be comfortable as where I live, but even the British climate has days where nudity would be more comfortable. I was lucky to enjoy a sultry sunny June day at the Royal Botanic Garden in Kew. I can assure you that total nudity would have been far more comfortable.

Where I live, people can go shopping or play sports for six or seven months of the year wearing only a tee shirt and shorts and even that is a concession to custom, not necessity.

Wearing clothes in one's own home except for the coldest winter days seems unnecessary to me.

You only regard nudity as abnormal because of social conditioning. There are other cultures where nudity is the norm, including the Nudist culture. I don't have to do anything to be a nudist: nude is the human condition unless we deliberately decide to alter our natural state.

[Mike1986]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
Mike,
I was looking back at the August part of this thread and I realized that I never answered your question.

Yes, Bare Buns (http://www.takeoffwithus.com/) does allow single males at their athletic club events. Just call and let them know to expect you. It is one night a month. They usually have a shuttle driver meet people at the Springfield METRO station to drive them the rest of the way or if you have a car, you could just go to the health club with the directions they give you. It won't be long buddy and you will be there, too!

P.S. Click on the link to learn more about the club and the event. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Kool, but one problem..do they accept young single males under 18? Im 16.

[Trailscout]

Mike,
Honestly I don't know know if you can go without a close adult relative or guardian. I would assume that most places require that you be 18, but I am sure that Bare Buns would be happy to give you the official answer if you send them an e-mail. They strike me as really nice folks. I hope that you will get to visit with them soon.

Mike,

I imagine you could go to a nude beach alone, but from what I understand you would have to have your parents with you or written permission from them to go with another adult.

[Trailscout]

Mike,
As far as I know, Gunnison Beach(also known as Sandy Hook)is the closest official nude beach to northern Virginia where you live.

When I was 17 my parents started letting me go on road trips with buddies from school. We went as far as 400 miles one time and they were cool with it as long as we came back when we said we would.
You could ride Amtrak to Philly and take Jersey Rail from there, but I don't know how close it will get you to Gunnison Beach. Maybe it would be better to just get a bunch of your friends who are open to the experience to drive there.

I was in scouts when I was your age and we went camping a lot in the spring and summer. We went skinnydipping at some of the more secluded lakes and rivers. I guess you could head west into the Virginia Blue Ridge and the National Forest lands for that.

With a little planning and research you may not have to wait until your 18th birthday to get to these public places where you can be nude.

[MaxUK]

Trailscout,

You posted:
You only regard nudity as abnormal because of social conditioning.

Well I'm afraid that every single one of us, including you, are 'socially conditioned' as you put it - unless you have been living life as a hermit alone in a cave for the past years.

It's a undeniable FACT that the 'norm' in my and most other societies is the wearing of clothes most of the time. It would follow that public nudity is thus 'not' the norm - notice I did not say 'abnormal', as you stated was my view.

Its the same as having ginger hair - people with ginger hair are in the minority, but it's not 'abnormal' to have it!!

Lets just agree that for some, being nude is the normal state of affairs - you and Jon Marc it seems would consider yourselves in this catagory. Fine.

For most other people, including me, the normal state to be in is clothed. But when I can, I get naked and it's great. The two can and do exist side by side - for me there is no 'right' or 'wrong' here, so for you and Jon Marc to insist that nude is normal for everybody just because we were born that way is a rather simplistic view don't you think??

Just because some people wear clothes and choose not to go nude anywhere except the bathroom and bedroom does NOT indicate they have body shame, as you indicated was the case!

Max

[MaxUK]

Trailscout,

Sorry - it wasn't you who suggested the thing about body shame, it was Jon Marc. And I say he's wrong - my parents are not nudists but they don't 'suffer' from body shame, as he indicated was the case with non nudists.

Max

When I tell people that I'm a nudist and go to a nudist resort, I often get "I could never do that. I would be too embarrassed to run around naked in front of other people." Isn't THAT body shame? I get things like "I'm too fat", "I'm too skinny", and "My body doesn't look good enough." Aren't these statements said because of body shame? These are just the few people I've spoken to, and I'm sure other nudists have gotten the same answers, or am I wrong? /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[Rik]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MaxUK:
Just because some people wear clothes and choose not to go nude anywhere except the bathroom and bedroom does NOT indicate they have body shame, as you indicated was the case! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>People who choose not to go nude except in the bathroom and bedroom do so because they choose to hide their bodies from the world. Granted this is cultural conditioning and the behaviour of the majority but, deep down, what explanation could there be for them to hide but in shame?

People rarely hide things they are proud of, they often hide things they are ashamed of.

Rik

[MaxUK]

Jon Marc

I see your point to a certain extent but I do take exception to your view that seemingly says that ALL people, if they don't want to get naked, have 'body shame'.

What if someone you told about your nudist lifestyle just said - "fine, but I wouldn't want to do it myself." That could be for a million reasons, including say, a fear of meeting new people (ANY people, not just naked ones). Would that automatically mean that he or she was 'ashamed' of their body??? I don't think it would.

People don't want to do certain things for any number of reasons. Perhaps they just don't feel comfortable - for example, I would not feel comfortable getting up and singing Karaoke in a pub competition, as I am tone deaf. That doesn't mean I am 'ashamed' of my voice even though it's rubbish - I just choose not to put myself in that position - I am more comfortable just listening.

Rik - you posted
B]People who choose not to go nude except in the bathroom and bedroom do so because they choose to hide their bodies from the world. Granted this is cultural conditioning and the behaviour of the majority but, deep down, what explanation could there be for them to hide but in shame?[/B]

Why does it follow that if people choose to hide their bodies from the world they do it through shame??? I could give you a list a mile long with other reasons - cold, habit, style conciousness, comfort, hygeine, safety and so on, and so on.

Wouldn't you say it totally depends on each individual as to the reasons why they choose to remain en-clothed outside the bathroon/bedroom? Or do you stick to your guns and say it's because they are 'ashamed' of themselves, and for no other possible reason?

Max

[Rik]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MaxUK:
Why does it follow that if people choose to hide their bodies from the world they do it through shame??? I could give you a list a mile long with other reasons - cold, habit, style conciousness, comfort, hygeine, safety and so on, and so on. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Perhaps I've misunderstood but I thought we were talking about nudism.

Of course people may choose to wear clothes for all sorts of reasons but to choose to wear clothes in those circumstances where they are being worn to hide the body (e.g. on a beach) is an act of shame - otherwise why do it?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Wouldn't you say it totally depends on each individual as to the reasons why they choose to remain en-clothed outside the bathroon/bedroom? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>No it's not necessarily an individual thing. There are laws in many countries which prevent people from not wearing clothes and even where laws are more relaxed there are societal pressures which effectively take away individual freedoms.

Rik

I wear clothes when I'm outside for two reasons: 1. Because it's too cold not to wear them. 2. Because the law says I HAVE to wear them.

I do not CHOOSE to wear clothes at any time because I would rather NOT wear them. I still believe that anyone who would rather wear clothes when they don't have to do it because of body shame, but, hey, I'm willing to admit I could be wrong. I don't claim to always be right. I just don't understand why anyone, particularly anyone who claims to be a nudist, would want to be clothed if they don't have to be.

[Bob S.]

This argument sounds familiar. Didn't we get into trouble for arguing unendlessly about this type of thing. The only things missing are my long diatribes and stu's involvement.

Max, your argument about it not being natural to be naked is based on flawed logic. Your reason is because society does not allow it. So what? Not all societies function in the same way. There are some societies where clothes are alien to them. Look back 170 years in the US. Is it natural for society to enslave another group of people? Look back 1000 years in Europe, is it natural for a church to be in control of the government?

Societal customs change contantly and you ust not rely on them to determine what is natural for a being. Is it natural for an animal to wear clothes? There are hairless animals that go around shamelessly naked. Pigs are relatively hairless, so are some forms of felines, mole rats, etc. Humans are the only ones who know that we are naked.

Looking at the issue physiologically, then Rik is correct. Our skin makes Vit. D through sunlight exposure. We have sweat glands all over our bodies to regulate our internal temperature. Some rashes and fungi that plague clothed people do not affect nudists as much. What is the number one suggestion that pediatricians give to parents in order to cure diaper rash? Let them run around naked.

Sunlight also helps with our moods. People develop SAD because of not receiving enough sunlight in the winter. I believe it may also keep our internal body clock in sync.

And yes, there are many reasons for not going naked. Here are some of them..
It's against the law.
My body is not perfect.
I am not a pervert.
I don't want someone to think that I want to have sex.
Nudists are just a bunch of pervs.
I wouldn't feel comfortable.
It's just not right.
What if someone who I know sees me?

Sorry if this went too long.

Bob S.

[MaxUK]

Hi Rik,

Of course people may choose to wear clothes for all sorts of reasons but to choose to wear clothes in those circumstances where they are being worn to hide the body (e.g. on a beach) is an act of shame - otherwise why do it?

Rik, what about fashion?? What if someone chose not to be naked but chose instead to wear the latest swimsuit because they liked the look of themselves in it? Fine - YOU can't see any reason why they would want to wear the suit - why does that have to mean that they are ashamed of their body if they choose to wear it for fashion purposes, as you suggested was the case??

Anyway, so what if they were ashamed of their body? Doesn't mean they are not happy being ashamed of their body. It seems to me (certainly on this board) that there is an assumption that just because nudists are not ashamed of their bodies, then that makes them happier people. I don't see how that can be applied universally.

I guess I am putting over an alternative point of view here because my wife is not a nudist but is in no way, shape or form ashamed of her body. I am finding it very hard to understand the viewpoint you seem to express of:

Not a nudist = someone who is ashamed of their body.

It's just far to simplistic and abstract to be taken seriously.

Bob S.

I understand your view Bob, in that societies values, norms etc. change - fine, agreed, they do. My point is that now, in this day and age, in most societies, the norm is being clothed. And I can't see that situation changing nor would I want it to change significantly in my lifetime, so wondering what it might be like in XXXX years in the future seems like a waste of time (well, to me it does - to you it probably does not, and more power to those of you who have the energy to push for what you think should be the norm)

I'm not talking about 150 years ago, or the Brazilian rainforest now or North America in 300 years - I'm talking the present, the real world I live in - western society. That's the standpoint I'm coming from.

Max

[David77]

Since this thread discusses the desire to be nude or clothed, I will put in my two cents worth.

One person's entreaty above states, "Stay Nude and Enjoy it".

Why should I enjoy STAYING nude! I usually get no great thrill or exhilaration in being nude. However, when it is warm and I do not have the air conditioner on, I most definitely want to stay nude. Otherwise I want to put on just enough clothing to feel comfortable. However, to swim or sunbath I wish to be nude. At nudist resorts I wish to be nude like everyone else. I live alone, and although I really could stay nude all the time at home, I have no interest in staying nude at home unless it is to cool my body temperature. I wouuld like to mow the lawn nude so that I would be less warm, but I would be arrested, taken to jail and fined.

I suppose my main interest in nudism/naturism is a philosophical one. I am a naturalistic humanist and I very strongly disagree with the attitude or idea that the nude body is unsightful, shameful and should therefore be hidden.
I believe that, ideally, the nude body even when fully seen anywhere, deserves utmost respect and psychological homage as the highest form in life.
Of course, ultimate human values includes positive relationships between persons and peoples.

[Mike1986]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
Mike,
Honestly I don't know know if you can go without a close adult relative or guardian. I would assume that most places require that you be 18, but I am sure that Bare Buns would be happy to give you the official answer if you send them an e-mail. They strike me as really nice folks. I hope that you will get to visit with them soon. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Thanks for responding all of you. Hmm...I saw the site and the said that there is a bus you can take to get there on the sports nites. (Saturday) I wonder, if I did get permission from parents, if I could go with an couple who live around me (preferraly an older couple because i can trust them...30 years old or older). The problm is, even if i do get permission, how would I contact nudists who go to Baebuns, but live around me? Should I send Barebuns an email? Because I know even with permission, i cant go up ther just by myself. I hafta be with an adult.

[Trailscout]

Mike,
Yes, send them an e-mail with your phone number and someone from Bare Buns will call you to arrange things.
That's what I did.
In my case, it fell through because my boss transferred me to New Jersey right before I was about to go to my first sports night. Bummer!
Then I found out about some nudists in New Jersey that do the same thing, so it worked out okay.
If you go, please be sure to write about the sports night. I am sure a lot of us would be interested.

[stevenf64]

OK
I wasnt going to post to this but here goes. NO i am never nude in the closet, thats were my wifes cloths are and people would talk. Steve

[Rik]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MaxUK:
Rik, what about fashion?? What if someone chose not to be naked but chose instead to wear the latest swimsuit because they liked the look of themselves in it? Fine - YOU can't see any reason why they would want to wear the suit - why does that have to mean that they are ashamed of their body if they choose to wear it for fashion purposes, as you suggested was the case?? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Are you suggestng then that these fashion conscious people would wear "the latest swimsuit" in the shower because they "liked the look of themselves in it". No, they're wearing a swimsuit in public first and foremost to cover themselves. The fact that they cover themselves with something fashionable is a secondary issue.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Anyway, so what if they were ashamed of their body? Doesn't mean they are not happy being ashamed of their body. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Your real identity is Stu and I claim my five pounds. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>It seems to me (certainly on this board) that there is an assumption that just because nudists are not ashamed of their bodies, then that makes them happier people. I don't see how that can be applied universally. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I agree it cannot be applied universally but what we're saying is not so much that naturists are happier people compared to non-naturists but that they are more at ease with their bodies than most people. That is one less stress that they have to deal with and so perhaps it does make them happier than they would be if they weren't naturists.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I guess I am putting over an alternative point of view here because my wife is not a nudist but is in no way, shape or form ashamed of her body. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>So what reason does she give for choosing to hide certain parts of her body?

Rik

[New2itall]

Im another self confessed closet nudist and the only reason for that is the society i live in. Middle class england doesnt seem to look kindly on it.

[nudekid1]

Proud closet nudist here and it looks as if i'll have to stay that way until i arrive at 18, but no worries - good things come to those who wait.

[NakedGary]

Wow, this topic/title is all from 2002 and 2003 except two this year on January 7th 06' and the above on oct 23rd, 06'

[Enjoying life]

I was for several years, but came out of the closet. A very refreshing thing it was. Be happy and stay naked.

[Fuzzy Nuts]

was for many years and came out of closet 6 years ago - wish I had done it 40 years earlier

[bnudes]

i guess i am although my mom knows i sleep nude and have since i was 11. ive also walked from the shower to my room nude but ive never just come out and told her im a nudist

[Big-Thinker]

I think I'm not 100% "in the closet". I'm like peeking out of the closet. One way or another family and close friends know that I'm a nudist, but apparently nobody feels comfortable talking about it (though I don't think they're against it either).

[nakedjohn]

I never was, since day 1, always on public grounds.

[hickory1945]

In the closet with, one toe sticking out.I have told a couple of friends, one kinda laughed a little, the other said REALLY. Thats about as far as it went. MY wife still thinks I'm nuts.
Hickory

I am in the closet where i will stay for now, but the door in not closed. (my wife participates with me sometimes) i might venture out a bit but it will have to remain a secret. and only with someone(s) with whom I do not feel vulnerable. nudity makes me feel vulnerable for obvious reasons, what if someone took my photo and it got into the wrong hands? it could happen.

another dynamic is being nude at a get-together with out my wife, (because she is uncomfortable nude in front of others except me)
that situation has not happened yet, i don't know if it ever will. I would rather be nude with my wife alone than a whole room full of good nude friends without my wife.

[Naked_Brad]

Im in the closet and boy am i running out of air. Me and my bro are both nudists but we havnt told our parents beacuse we know what they will say and how they will react.
The only release i get is on holidays where i can escape with my bro to a secluded beach, when my parents go out or at freinds houses.

Lv Brad

[bmolloy]

im a closet nudist and my parents are such prudes sometimes it makes me want to go insane but thn i dont jk

[CCNude]

Bmolloy, if you think you're going insane now, wait until YOU become a parent!

[Scott89]

I'm a closet nudist as well. None of my family or my friends know that i'm a naturist and I have only been to a nude beach twice for about two hours apice, otherwise i'm nude at home when i'm alone (not very often).