NUDITY AND SEX

[oyakan]

It is clear that naturism is not for sex but this doesn't necessarly means that sex is disgusting.
It is also a part of natural life . We shouldn't mix naturism wih sex but we shouldn't humiliate the ones who like sex also.

[oyakan]

It is clear that naturism is not for sex but this doesn't necessarly means that sex is disgusting.
It is also a part of natural life . We shouldn't mix naturism wih sex but we shouldn't humiliate the ones who like sex also.

[missouriboy]

Naturism does not eschew sex. The issue is private vs public practice. People who believe nudity equals sex, say nudity should be equally as private as sex. Naturists say they are not equal things, and that the private/public question can be applied to both nudity and sex, independently of each other, and it's OK for the answer to be different.

[Paul in MI]

Hi Oyakan,

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you share my concern that a large portion of the nudist community is unnecessarily critical of nudists who choose to express their sexuality in a natural and non-provocative way. I'm not referring to sex (intercourse, masturbation, etc.) in public. I'm talking about spontaneous erections, piercings, expressions of affection, and that sort of thing. Many nudists seem to believe in an almost complete elimination of anything sexual at beaches, resorts, or other "public" places. This belief is reflected in ettiquette rules about hiding all erections, slogans like "Nude not Lewd," and the constant use of terms like "true" naturists and "wholesome" naturism. A member of this forum (Guy L.) put it really well under the "Erections" topic of the New Naturists board: "I am upset at the naturists that have tried so hard (and have succeeded) to 'eradicate' all sexual thoughts from the people at their clubs. Sex is part of humain nature and is nothing to be ashamed of."

I understand that many social nudists try to maintain a non-sexual environment at their resorts and beaches to protect them from misinformed outsiders. These outsiders assume that nudity must mean sex, and therefore, they approach nudism with either prurient interest, fear, or both. However, I believe this understandable desire to protect and promote nudism actually helps to feed the fears that threaten it. As nudists, we can't fight body shame while ignoring our society's fear of sexuality, because the body shame is tied to that fear. We can't aspire to be closer to our natural selves while denying two of the most natural aspects of being human: sexual desire and function.

Stay naked and stay sexual! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

-Paul

[TXK NUDE]

I think you missed the point of naturism. It's not that naturist/nudists aren't sexual or don't enjoy sex, but rather that nudism does not EQUAL sex!

To me that means that OVERT sexual behavior, from strutting around the pool with a hard on to publically engaging in intercourse is not what nudism is for, and is totally inappropriate!

COVERT sexual behavior means different things to different people, but can (and should) include provocative body language and lewd/suggestive conversations. I personally think it should include questionable tatooing and genital piercing. The reason I include these is because it is an intentional attempt to draw attention to the genital area. It's like a large breasted woman wearing a smallish T-shirt with tiny writing saying "Quit Staring At My Chest!". I mean...what else are you going to stare at? This purposeful drawing of attention to the genitals can be considered sexual harrassment!

All of this brings unwanted and undue problems for nudist clubs, resorts and free beaches. It presents an image to the textile community that nudists are nothing but sex fiends and pedophiles. It gives justification to people like Stu, who believe that seeing a naked body is just disgusting, and to people like fundamentalists who think being naked with others produces lust!

AANR, TNS, INA and various private resorts, clubs, etc. have battled long and hard to overcome this stigma, but we nudists still have to fight this issue amongst ourselves because of people who insist that there is nothing wrong with EXPLOITING their sexualness in a nudist arena!

Are we denying our sexuality? No. I'm still a male who enjoys having sex with my wife. I have two small children to prove my sexualness. I don't need to sport an erection, have my penis pierced, or get a snake tatoo that peeks up over my jeans! My wife is still a woman who enjoys having sex with her husband and can enjoy that without having a butterfly tattooed on her pubis mons or getting genital jewelry that dangles erotically when she lays out by the pool at our club!

Having sex or being sexual has nothing to do with being naked in and of itself...and social nudism is not an appropriate place to express your sexuality especially when children are present.

BTW, by starting a thread on sex and nudity, you have invited ALL the dissenting voices on this forum to chime in and drag this topic out ad nauseum. As I have said before, when proponents against nudism come to these forums and look at the longest threads and see that they deal with erections, sex, piercings,etc. they have all the ammunition they need against us...PROOF that we are all nothing more than sexual perverts. Thank you very much for besmirching my GOOD NAME and making me ashamed of my nudist beliefs. /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

[NudeAl]

First of all who dosen't like sex? I think most normal humans do so I have to read between the lines a little here. Normal acts of affection include nonsexual touching even kissing and hugging. Now when it starts to go R rated you should stop and get a room. As far as body modifications I don't have a problem with them but older more conservative types do. I guess certain types of piercing and provocative tatoos could be over the line. We are all getting more used to seeing this and gradually the stigma attached to tatoos etc. will go away.

[Jochanaan]

Many Christian leaders have reacted passionately to the (perceived) prevailing loose standards regarding sex. Unfortunately, to a young or new Christian, this message may seem to include a condemnation of all sexual activity and feelings, and a powerful condemnation from the pulpit precludes rational discussion of the issue. A great recipe for long guilt trips!

Because of the textile world's perceptions (often inflamed by leaders with agendas), naturists have fallen into the same trap. But unlike many Christian groups, we can talk and reason about sex, erections, etc. This is very healthy. And these discussions are in no way pornographic, since they encourage rational thought, not mindless arousal.

Perhaps even those who come to our site to gratify prurient interests will be drawn into the discussion and learn to think reasonably about sex, maybe for the first time ever. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[David77]

Instead of the expression "nudism does not equal sex", I prefer the prhase, "nudism does not equal sexual activity".

This is because I believe that there is probably some sexual component in normal socialization in a group of males and females, whether they are clothed or nude. This mixed group of both sexes is appreciated for a pleasing environment of a "warmer glow" to the group, although no sexual activity may even be imagined.

Simply put, men and women like to be in the company of each other, simply because of chemistry - their hormones and kind of physiology.

This would explain "sex in nudism" and "sexual awareness in nudism", but does not mean that any <u>sexual activity</u> should be permitted in public areas of the nudist resort.

[Fresh Air]

I agree david,

Just because sex is a part of life does not mean that it should be in every part of out lives.

Fresh Air

[Rex]

I have a friend who is a Christian Fundamentalist. He knows about my nudist activities and doesn't really approve, but that does not stop us from being friends.
I said to him that as he accepts that the human body is God's creation, what's wrong with it?
"Nothing".
Well, what's wrong with going to the free beach?
"We should not be tempting one another into illicit thoughts or deeds".
He is intelligent, well educated and reasonably successful and has a pleasant open personality, but his religious indoctrination will not allow him to apply logic or common sense to nudism.
He knows I am monogamous by nature and do not "covet my neighbour's wife" and if I call round and he's not there and his wife asks me in for coffee, then that's OK, but maybe he thinks that, for a nudist, I'm an exception to the rule.
The fact is, nothing we can do or not do will change the thinking of people who have allowed their minds to have been taken over in such a way.
Hopefully, for most people outside the nudist movement, education is the key and for that reason, I support open discussion on sex or anything else, just so long as we remember that this site is suitable for all ages.
On my short observation as a new member, I'm certainly satisfied in that respect.

[Croydon]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TXK NUDE:


COVERT sexual behavior means different things to different people, but can (and should) include provocative body language and lewd/suggestive conversations. I personally think it should include questionable tatooing and genital piercing. The reason I include these is because it is an intentional attempt to draw attention to the genital area. It's like a large breasted woman wearing a smallish T-shirt with tiny writing saying "Quit Staring At My Chest!". I mean...what else are you going to stare at? This purposeful drawing of attention to the genitals can be considered sexual harrassment!

All of this brings unwanted and undue problems for nudist clubs, resorts and free beaches. It presents an image to the textile community that nudists are nothing but sex fiends and pedophiles. It gives justification to people like Stu, who believe that seeing a naked body is just disgusting, and to people like fundamentalists who think being naked with others produces lust!
I don't need to sport an erection, have my penis pierced, or get a snake tatoo that peeks up over my jeans! My wife is still a woman who enjoys having sex with her husband and can enjoy that without having a butterfly tattooed on her pubis mons or getting genital jewelry that dangles erotically when she lays out by the pool at our club!

Having sex or being sexual has nothing to do with being naked in and of itself...and social nudism is not an appropriate place to express your sexuality especially when children are present.

BTW, by starting a thread on sex and nudity, you have invited ALL the dissenting voices on this forum to chime in and drag this topic out ad nauseum. As I have said before, when proponents against nudism come to these forums and look at the longest threads and see that they deal with erections, sex, piercings,etc. they have all the ammunition they need against us...PROOF that we are all nothing more than sexual perverts. Thank you very much for besmirching my GOOD NAME and making me ashamed of my nudist beliefs. /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>As I read first half of your statement, I began to agree with you but began to disagree when you attempted to correlate piercings and tattoos as sexual behaviors that do harm to naturism. I have a problem with that because you seem to classify those with tattoos and piercings in "suggestive" areas as people who are sexual and cause problems. Tattoos and piercings are a big part of pop culture and many have accepted it, well not you exactly and the motivation to be pierced or tattooed isn't sexual. It is unfair to categorize those who do get pierced and tattooed in "suggestive" areas. I have a tattoo on the small of my back. According to you that is suggestive and problematic to nudist community. How is that so? I am not the one causing problems, it is people who aren't open minded, prudish, and conservative that cause problems. I have more to say but right now I need to write a paper.

[TXK NUDE]

Croydon, let me again distinguish between body piercing and genital pircing as well as tatoos in general and tatoos that purposefully draw attention to the gentitals or are suggestive in nature. You mentioned that you have a tatoo in the small of your back, right above your butt. Unless that tatoo says "STICK IT HERE" or some other vulgar comment, or is a picture of some sexual behavior or idea, then your tatoo should not be a problem! I mean, a small teddy bear on one cheek is not a problem! Now, if you got your butt cheeks pierced together, that would be a problem as well as just messy! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'm referring to people who have their penis or labia pierced (I have yet to hear a logical, non sexual reason for that) or have tatoos that intentionally draw attention to the genital area (see the examples in my previous post) or behave in a suggestive/lewd manner in social settings. Trust me, unless you fall into that catagory I have no problem with you, your tatoo, or any body piercing that you may have.
There are other, more non-controversial ways of confirming your manhood, sexuality or whatever you call it. There are also acceptable and unaceeptable behaviors in social settings...we are still civilized even if we are nude!

You still see the genitals as a "dirty" place I see. Aren't nudists supposed to be past all that? I know all the clubs in central Florida are now ok with genital piercings in one form or another. This includes some well known family destinations like Lake Como and Cypress Cove.

The kids really don't care when it comes right down to it.