Why the big thing about being NUDE?????

[Davesanae]

People,

First - I enjoy being nude when the moment is right - ie. hot weather in secluded spot in garden or even nude beach when it is warm - fine.

What I just cannot get my head around is why people would want to pursue all manner of other activities and things without clothes when it so obviously makes things more difficult or bothersome??

Example - anyone who lives anywhere where the temperature falls below about 10 degrees for half the year (ie. most places) where people have to crank up the heating just to be nude?? Apart from contributing more to global warming (and yes - it is real and it does exist and all of us have a responsibility to reduce our own energy use) WHY do these peop,e have this inane urge to get naked at any given time?? Just put on a sweater and get warm that way please!!!

Why do some people claim that naked feels 'better'?? Better than what - wearing 'restrictive' and 'cumbersome' clothes?!! Do me a favour - if you claim you find clothes this awful I think you are totally over exaggerating and need to be challenged.

[Davesanae]

People,

First - I enjoy being nude when the moment is right - ie. hot weather in secluded spot in garden or even nude beach when it is warm - fine.

What I just cannot get my head around is why people would want to pursue all manner of other activities and things without clothes when it so obviously makes things more difficult or bothersome??

Example - anyone who lives anywhere where the temperature falls below about 10 degrees for half the year (ie. most places) where people have to crank up the heating just to be nude?? Apart from contributing more to global warming (and yes - it is real and it does exist and all of us have a responsibility to reduce our own energy use) WHY do these peop,e have this inane urge to get naked at any given time?? Just put on a sweater and get warm that way please!!!

Why do some people claim that naked feels 'better'?? Better than what - wearing 'restrictive' and 'cumbersome' clothes?!! Do me a favour - if you claim you find clothes this awful I think you are totally over exaggerating and need to be challenged.

[NudePete]

Davesanae,

I believe most people on this side of the Atlantic keep their thermostats set at 20 degrees C or so, heating in the winter and cooling in the summer, resulting in a more nudist friendly environment all year long. I believe that houses are on average newer, tighter and therefor less drafty, and better insulated then in the U.K. This helps to keep energy use and costs down. The same can be said for most sports and vacation facilities.

As for why does being nude feel better? We are nudists mainly for that reason! It doesn't have to be the same for everyone, but nudist organizations self-select this kind of people.

You are very correct to be concerned about global warming. Its potential consequences are so extreme and far reaching that anything we can do now is morally the only thing we should be doing...almost.

[kphoger]

i must admit, i've always wondered about women running nude. my wife can't imagine doing so, either. she can hardly stand going more than a few hours without a bra, though.

i often put a robe on if its too cold in the house to go nude.

[Tampanude]

Living in Florida, the temperature is generally condusive to being comfortable nude.

As for running, most nudist women I know that run say it depends on the length of the run or activity. Longer distances require support to minimize the fatigue. I guess it's all up to the individual.

I suppose it'd be no different if one asked males to run in place for an extended period of time.

Gravity will take it's toll

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[nekkedtruth]

Davesanae

We have chosen this lifestyle. That is it...bottom line.

Your words drool with ignorance. You will probably never even reasearch the lifestyle that you question.

Just do us a favor and stay FAR away from places like Florida for it might get a little too hot for you to continue wearing your knickers and bloomers.

Nudism is not for everyone...but it should be.

[Tampanude]

He's only trying to make a point he feels relevant, I don't see the need for animosity myself

[Fuzzy Nuts]

Probably jealous of you living in Florida where you can be naked most of year if you wish - I know I sure am!

[Big-Thinker]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kphoger:
i must admit, i've always wondered about women running nude. my wife can't imagine doing so, either. she can hardly stand going more than a few hours without a bra, though.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
As far as women running nude, I'm sure it depends on the size of the breasts, and, like men, your general build and weight. I have no problem running nude... let's just say that things auto-transform so that I do not need any support.

[BEE-1]

It just feels so right to me to be naked as much as I can. I have also noticed I actually can be naked in my house in the winter with the heat at around 67 degrees and feel fine with that. Thats FAR from cranking the heat up. My wife will hug me or touch me and say I feel cold but yet I wont feel like Iam cold. And besides, whats the big deal about a person who likes clothes or who doesnt like clothes? I HATE CLOTHES!!!!!!!! There I said it, Iam one of them crazy nudist!!!!!!!!! Peace http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/beam.gif

[nakedjohn]

Why the big thing, well try it and you will see.
One of the best lifestyles there is.

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">i must admit, i've always wondered about women running nude. my wife can't imagine doing so, either. she can hardly stand going more than a few hours without a bra, though. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know a few serious runners who wear sports bras while training, even if nothing else. That is one of the only times that 'support' is needed.

But during normal daily activity women are better off without bras. Even very large breasts will soon readapt to their natural state with internal support - see BraFree.org (http://brafree.org/bffaqsbrasgood.htm) and Bras and Breast Health (http://www.vaughanmedical.com/mf_breasthealth.htm) (by the same author).

-Mark

[Stu2630]

Davesanae

You have posed a question that has had me puzzled ever since I started coming here. I have enough problems working out why anyone would want to sunbathe nude, let alone wander about the house naked, or do the gardening in the buff. A loose pair of shorts keeps you cool, stops your delicate parts from getting scratched, and even has pockets to keep those little necessities in. Saudi Arabia is one of the hottest places on the planet - if not THE hottest - yet you don't see the Saudis baring all, do you? No. They cover themselves from head to foot and they appear comfortable enough.

NaturistMark

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> I know a few serious runners who wear sports bras while training, even if nothing else. That is one of the only times that 'support' is needed. But during normal daily activity women are better off without bras. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So it's just the guys who should wear them, then? Sorry, Mark, I couldn't resist that one. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/eusa_dance.gif

Stu

[luvnaturism]

Is it possible that Davesanae is confusing "some" with "most"? No doubt there are SOME extreme nudists who will go to a great deal of trouble to be without clothes when doing activities or living in temperatures that really call for clothes. But I think that MOST of us are more moderate in our approach. As much as I enjoy being nude, if it's too cool to be comfortable, or if I'm doing something that calls for protection, then I'm dressed. We keep our house much cooler in the winter than most in the US do, and never turn up the heat just to be nude.

P.S. Am I the only person who ever wonders why Stu, who is mortally terrified of the sight of the natural human body, spends so much time on a website where one cannot avoid seeing nudity? I mean you can't read the threads without seeing the pictures. Are their others who wonder what's going on?

[hm0504]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stu2630:
Davesanae

You have posed a question that has had me puzzled ever since I started coming here. I have enough problems working out why anyone would want to sunbathe nude, let alone wander about the house naked, or do the gardening in the buff. A loose pair of shorts keeps you cool, stops your delicate parts from getting scratched, and even has pockets to keep those little necessities in. Saudi Arabia is one of the hottest places on the planet - if not THE hottest - yet you don't see the Saudis baring all, do you? No. They cover themselves from head to foot and they appear comfortable enough.
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Stu </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Indeed, and the very fact that they all wear the same thing must mean they have reached the height of fashion.

Surely, the ever-present Saudi religious police, who a few years ago blocked school girls from leaving their burning school (in which they burned to death) because they were not wearing proper Islamic dress, have nothing to do with why Saudis make the clothing choices they make.[1]

[1] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1874471.stm

[Pete Knight]

Surely its all a case of personal preferance, except in the case of Saudi Arabia where people have the preferences of a minority forced upon them, so what some people find to be a pastime is actually a lifestyle to others.

You may not see nudism in the same way as others, that doesn't mean that their way is wrong anymore than your way is wrong, just accept that we are all different in some way or other.

I regularly disagree with a well known UK naturist, mostly because he considers anyone who has a different type of naturismm to himself to be WRONG, and not really a true naturist, the only qualifying criteria, as I see it, is to be without clothes. Stu knows the guy to whom I refer, they've been at loggerheads on many occasions.

Just enjoy what you do, don't worry about what others are doing unless it severely interferes with your quality of life.

Pete Knight

[Stu2630]

luvnaturism

I used to set my browser to view text-only (no pictures). When I changed my computer, I didn't bother setting it up like that, so now I can see pics. I do enjoy reading and posting on here so I put up with the little icon pictures on the far left of the screen. There is a world of difference between those and seeing full-sized naked human beings wandering about.

hm0504

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Surely, the ever-present Saudi religious police, who a few years ago blocked school girls from leaving their burning school (in which they burned to death) because they were not wearing proper Islamic dress, have nothing to do with why Saudis make the clothing choices they make </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not sure that's the whole story. In many Arab countries, most of the men cover up in long robes almost as much as the women, yet there is nothing in Islam about male "modesty". There are similar practices in Iran among the non-Muslim Zoroastrian people. Appropriate clothes can protect you from the sun's heat as well as its harmful rays, and people in the very hottest countries know that.

Pete

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Stu knows the guy to whom I refer, they've been at loggerheads on many occasions. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I do indeed. I respect that person's conviction, or even passion, but he's what I would call a "nudist fundamentalist" because for him, there must be no compromise with the textile world. You, on the other hand, are a far more reasonable sort of chap. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

Stu

[hm0504]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stu2630:
hm0504

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Surely, the ever-present Saudi religious police, who a few years ago blocked school girls from leaving their burning school (in which they burned to death) because they were not wearing proper Islamic dress, have nothing to do with why Saudis make the clothing choices they make </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not sure that's the whole story. In many Arab countries, most of the men cover up in long robes almost as much as the women, yet there is nothing in Islam about male "modesty". There are similar practices in Iran among the non-Muslim Zoroastrian people. Appropriate clothes can protect you from the sun's heat as well as its harmful rays, and people in the very hottest countries know that.

Stu </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And as soon as those people, those rich enough to travel, have the chance to depart their countries, off come the head scarves and so on. There was a good documentary on the CBC a few weeks ago which included a segment showing Iranians boarding an Air France jetliner in Tehran, Iran and as soon as the plane door closes, down comes the women's hair.

Only in countries where people are truly free to wear what they want to wear can one get an idea of what people would naturally wear.

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">NaturistMark

quote:
I know a few serious runners who wear sports bras while training, even if nothing else. That is one of the only times that 'support' is needed. But during normal daily activity women are better off without bras.



So it's just the guys who should wear them, then? Sorry, Mark, I couldn't resist that one. Dance

Stu </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL, if they are flopping around and causing discomfort - sure!

But seriously, bras are NOT needed for 'support'. Women evolved without bras and did plenty of running and other physical activities. The reason breasts hurt when women don't wear bras is because they spend too much time wearing bras. <UL TYPE=SQUARE>Bottom line: Women evolved bra free. They ran. Bra free, They exercised. Bra free. They climbed trees. Bra free. Chased things. Bra free. Bounced up and down. Bra free.

Your body is designed to support itself, without mechanical contraptions. It would be very difficult to do anything medically harmful to yourself by working out without a mechanical support device like a sports bra. And exercise without a bra should not contribute to sag. Period.
BraFree.org (http://brafree.org/bffaqssportsbras.htm) [/list]

-Mark

[RalphVa]

In Egypt of old and eons before the oppressive Moslem religion took over, people of both sexes worked side by side out in the sun naked. Many drawings and reliefs of that period show this.

People world wide living near the Equator in the forests live naked.

It's only where societal and (false) religious pressures have intervened that people put on clothes in warm climates.

I put on clothes in the house in the fall, winter and early spring because we keep the house at 60-62 F when home, 55 F when away. When I go outside and work during these periods with the sun out, off come my clothes because I find it SOOO much more comfortable and enjoyable being naked.

[Pete Knight]

Stu wrote:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Appropriate clothes can protect you from the sun's heat as well as its harmful rays, and people in the very hottest countries know that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes in the Middle East countries where there is very little natural cover, but as stated, along the Equator where there is high relative humidity the natives prefer to wear little or nothing, two entirely different scenarios.
It was the conquering forces and their oppresive religions that caused the biggest upset, and I freely acknowledge the part that Britain played in this.

Naturist Mark wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Your body is designed to support itself, without mechanical contraptions. It would be very difficult to do anything medically harmful to yourself by working out without a mechanical support device like a sports bra. And exercise without a bra should not contribute to sag. Period. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Absolutely Mark, the ligaments that support breasts are made redundant by bra's, so they weaken, rather like when you have a leg in plaster, the muscles weaken through lack of use and you then need phsiotherapy after the cast is removed.
Unfortunately young girls see wearing a bra as being grown up so look forward to their first fitting, and the fashion industry does all it can to reinforce the idea that bra's should be worn.

Pete Knight

[missouriboy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Unfortunately young girls see wearing a bra as being grown up so look forward to their first fitting, and the fashion industry does all it can to reinforce the idea that bra's should be worn. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Boy Howdy, is that ever the truth! They're called "training bras." Huh? I've pointed out before that budding breasts do not require "training" and that it's the little girls who're being trained, not their breasts. They're being trained to be good little slaves to the fashion industry, that's what. Sheesh! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/sad3.gif

[alfredr]

And daughters and grand-daughters of the women who were burning bras in the 60's and 70's in the name of liberation are just as caught in the trap as anyone.

[alfredr]

And about bieng naked feels better, just to get back to the original topic, clothes being restrictive and uncomfortable; pay attention to how often you adjust something when you are wearing clothes, collar, waist, shirt tail, and especially your crotch when you are sitting down. And watch other people, especially women adjusting their bra straps and then tell me that clothes are more comfortable than clothes-free.

[NudeAl]

We are nudists we feel that clothing is unnecessary. Now when the weather or social situation demand it we do of course dress. It is far more comfortable to be undressed even those who don't consider themselves nudists like to undress and walk around naked in their living room, thank you Alanis Morrisett.

If the weather is right and I had my way I would be nude most of everyday. But to each his own, if you prefer wear as many clothes as you need to feel comfortable just leave me free to do the same.

[bnudes]

I don't have the time to list ALL the things I like about being nude but I've been a nudist for about a year and a half and over that time i've grown to hate when I have to get dressed which is alot. I feel so much better nude and I sleep better now that I dont get all twisted up and feel so bound up even in undies. Anyway give it a try and in no time u will know what the big deal is.

[Lilwilly]

Our neighbor's wife who lives accross the street knows I am a nudist. One day she made a comment about the two of us being the neighborhood nudists. I asked what she meant by that and she explained she sometimes does houswork in the nude. Her last comment said it all however--"Its fun isn't it?" The more I think about it, the more I am convinced that is fudumentally what it is all about. For a nudist, its fun to be naked, and thats why we don't wear clothes.

[BEE-1]

I couldnt agree with Lilwilly more.It is fun!!!!! Yipeeeeee!!!!!!! I love being naked! My kids love it and I feel just like a kid when Iam naked so maybe it will help me live a little longer http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/beam.gif

[Geo]

What I can't understand is why people would rather wear clothes when they can be naked.

[Garden]

Same for me Geo

It is a warm fall day here in Central California and why would I wear clothes.

Just working in the yard nude today enjoying the sun while it lasts. The fog will be here all too soon.

Evolving

[Bob S.]

Dave, why would people want to get dressed up for a date in a suit and tie? Why does anyone wear what they wear when they wear it?

Dave:"anyone who lives anywhere where the temperature falls below about 10 degrees for half the year (ie. most places) where people have to crank up the heating just to be nude?? ...WHY do these peop,e have this inane urge to get naked at any given time?? Just put on a sweater and get warm that way please!!!"

First, it is not insane nor necessarily an urge. No reason to use such language. The experts suggest keeping the AC at 78F (25.5C) and the heat at 72F (22.2C). Now during the summer, nudists can keep the AC temp higher, thus keeping the energy use down. The wintertime heat temps should be fine for most people, even naked. I can manage a bit cooler, down to 70F.

Dave:"Why do some people claim that naked feels 'better'??"

Why do some people claim that clothes feel better? It just feels better. More open, more air getting to the skin, less constricting,

Stu:"Saudi Arabia is one of the hottest places on the planet - if not THE hottest - yet you don't see the Saudis baring all, do you? No. They cover themselves from head to foot and they appear comfortable enough."

They do? You speak for the Saudis? If you were made to wear those clothes all of your life, you would get comfortable with it, too. We are comfortable wearing clothes because we have been forced to wear them all our lives. You would be comfortable going naked if you had done so all of your life.

They wear clothes due to religious laws and teachings. It is why most of the world wears clothes--religious-based teachings.

Bob S.

[tinner666]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">They wear clothes due to religious laws and teachings. It is why most of the world wears clothes--religious-based teachings.

Bob S. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Does this mean that clothing mnaufacturers are religious zealots??? http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/laugh.gif Or are religious zealots clothing mnaufacturers ???????????? http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/laugh.gif

[FireProf]

If you really are a nudist.........you shouldn't have to ask the rediculous question;
"Why the big thing about being nude?????

The question comes up sometimes from friends of ours that technically aren't nudist but visit a club or nude resort/Inn from time to time. This couple will visit a nude resort with our group but leaves the resort several times a day to go do different things while the rest of the group stays at the resort and enjoys the atmosphere, the company and being nude.

The woman asked my wife if we are nude at home all the time. My wife said, "yes, as much as possible." Her reply took my wife by surprise. "We're not, I don't think I could stand seeing my husband naked all the time." My wife asked, "I thought you both were nudists?" She again shocked my wife by replying, "No, we just come here cuz this is the "in" thing to do nowadays."

I never realized that visiting nude beaches, resorts and clubs had become the "in" thing to do but there have been many others who have confessed to only visiting nude venues once in a while for other reasons besides the love of being nude.

I think to answer Dave's question with a comparison, I'd say...why do those with a strong religious faith go to church every Sunday? Can't they just go on religious holidays?

Nudists love to be nude for many different reasons but to tell a nudist that they have a choice between putting on clothes or turning up the heat in their homes...............do you really think that nudists aren't going to do whatever they need to so they can remain unclothed!

For many of us here and throughout the world, being a nudist isn't about being the "in" thing to do. It's not a pastime, it's not a hobby, it's not something many of us do just for fun. It's a state of mind, it's a way of life and it has become who we are and what we are. I'll turn up the heat and keep my sweater on a hanger until I really, really need it..........when I go someplace where I HAVE to wear clothes!

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[NewShyNJGuy]

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Great response FireProf.

That definitely describes me. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/yes.gif

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[Geo]

I may have to turn up the heat to be naked in the winter, but there are less clothes to wash and dry. Since most people use electric or gas clothes dryers that too takes energy.

Naked is just a way of life for me. I drive economy vehicles, recycle and conserve as much as possible. I don't think my turning up the heat a few degrees is going to make that significant impact on the environment. In the summer I conserve, because without clothes I don't feel the need to run the AC as much.

[Fuzzy Nuts]

Great comeback, FireProf

[nudebushwalker]

re: Saudi Arabia : Not only is Saudi Arabia NOT a democracy, it is also one of the world's leading suppliers of terrorists. Of the first 17 instigators of the 9/11 atrocities identified, 14 were Saudis and 3 Egyptian. Saudis may be western allies, but that won't make them friends... as others have pointed out above, their culture, and the cultural/religious police, doesn't allow much leeway in what they can wear in their home country.
Many native groups in Australia, the Pacific islands, central and southern Americas, and parts of Africa went naked, before the intrusion of European Christian missionaries..

[nude_in_ky]

Great way to put it FireProf. I couldn't have said it better myself.

[smoothmike]

U beat me to it FireProf...
well said.
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[english-guy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Davesanae:
People,

First - I enjoy being nude when the moment is right - ie. hot weather in secluded spot in garden or even nude beach when it is warm - fine.

What I just cannot get my head around is why people would want to pursue all manner of other activities and things without clothes when it so obviously makes things more difficult or bothersome??

Example - anyone who lives anywhere where the temperature falls below about 10 degrees for half the year (ie. most places) where people have to crank up the heating just to be nude?? Apart from contributing more to global warming (and yes - it is real and it does exist and all of us have a responsibility to reduce our own energy use) WHY do these peop,e have this inane urge to get naked at any given time?? Just put on a sweater and get warm that way please!!!

Why do some people claim that naked feels 'better'?? Better than what - wearing 'restrictive' and 'cumbersome' clothes?!! Do me a favour - if you claim you find clothes this awful I think you are totally over exaggerating and need to be challenged. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with Davesanae. I am OK with being nude when the temperature's right but all year, in winter? There is a feeling of freedom when you aren't wearing clothes but I usually wear them most of the day (except night).

Also, I do get 'urges' to be nude, but I don't think that means you should just give in to them all the time. You have to be practical about it.

I think you have a very strong argument hear Davesanae, just stick by what you believe, and merry christmas.

[barenaked1]

So why do people like you and Stu continue to come here? We are expressing our personal rights. This is a lifestyle that we enjoy. As the old saying goes."We were born nude' and if we wish to abstain for being clothed in a mixed groups, either in resorts or accepted beaches, we will continue to do so.
As far as global warming, go after the big corporatios and help support alternative energy. I think you will find that most of are smart eniugh to know when to turn the heat up or down and/or put some clothes on.
Please study the lifestyle apparently more than you have before making judgement on us.
Last reply I will have to you. I quit replying to Stu before he was kicked out of here the first time.
I'm not going to apolgize for what may seem a rude reply, but I'm getting tired of other people that don't follow or understand the lifestyle coming in here to try to 'change' or moralize.
OK, I'm done with my rant now!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Davesanae:
People,

First - I enjoy being nude when the moment is right - ie. hot weather in secluded spot in garden or even nude beach when it is warm - fine.

What I just cannot get my head around is why people would want to pursue all manner of other activities and things without clothes when it so obviously makes things more difficult or bothersome??

Example - anyone who lives anywhere where the temperature falls below about 10 degrees for half the year (ie. most places) where people have to crank up the heating just to be nude?? Apart from contributing more to global warming (and yes - it is real and it does exist and all of us have a responsibility to reduce our own energy use) WHY do these peop,e have this inane urge to get naked at any given time?? Just put on a sweater and get warm that way please!!!

Why do some people claim that naked feels 'better'?? Better than what - wearing 'restrictive' and 'cumbersome' clothes?!! Do me a favour - if you claim you find clothes this awful I think you are totally over exaggerating and need to be challenged. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[barenaked1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
P.S. Am I the only person who ever wonders why Stu, who is mortally terrified of the sight of the natural human body, spends so much time on a website where one cannot avoid seeing nudity? I mean you can't read the threads without seeing the pictures. Are their others who wonder what's going on? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

As I stated in my other post.It doesn't make sense why they are here except to irritate us. If they think I'm being hostile,they need to question their own motives.
'Nuff said!

[shãybare]

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Well said! They are like people who would go to a bar and start biatching about drinking. If it bothers you...then leave.

[emsdude]

The big thing about being nude is,you get to be how God put us here sure is
a great thing. Being nude get to feel how good God is just like he made us.

[Bob S.]

english-guy:"I am OK with being nude when the temperature's right but all year, in winter?"

Well, most of us would not think of going out of doors naked when the temperature gets too low. I don't think too many Minnesotans go play naked in the snow for lengthy times.

Indoors is different. Every person is different when it comes to being able to take the cold. Some need it higher before they can strip down and feel comfortable, others can have it at lower temps. So what is your ideal temperature for denuding, english-guy?

english-guy:"I do get 'urges' to be nude, but I don't think that means you should just give in to them all the time. You have to be practical about it."

That is what the general principle of nudism is all about. Clothed when necessary, nude when practical. I think everyone practices that general philosophy.

Finally, for Dave, english-guy, and Stu, let me reverse the question. What is the big thing about being clothed?

Bob S.

[Matt King]

I have never understood what the big deal is about being nude. It's ok for a guy to go without his shirt outside so why not a woman? We all know what each of have without clothes. I would love to be able to walk to the end of my driveway to get my newspaper naked in the morning. That will never happen in Greensboro NC

[Stu2630]

Barenaked1

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">As I stated in my other post.It doesn't make sense why they are here except to irritate us. If they think I'm being hostile,they need to question their own motives. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have said many times that i enjoy conversing with some of the people on here. If they asked me to stop posting and go away, I'd respect that. The fact is that some people say they enjoy the discussions and debates, and some agree with the points I make! I have even had private messages and emails from members here encouraging me to participate on certain threads. This proves you're not just being hostile - you're distorting the truth. If I were simply an irritant, I would be ignored.

Matt

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I have never understood what the big deal is about being nude. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Inappropriate nudity is the flouting of a societal norm of cultural origin. There are many other such norms and breaching them causes offence. There are, for instance, linguistic norms; there are words, and topics of conversation, you may say to men in a bar that you would not say to an aged aunt at a wedding. There are clothes you would not wear and behaviours you would not exhibit at a funeral. There are things you do and do not do when eating a mean in a restaurant, or attending a job interview or making a speech. Human beings are cultural creatures. We like being that way and we don't like our norms being unnecessarily flouted - at least not to the extent of causing offence. And although our norms are in a constant state of change, we don't appreciate people with other cultural norms trying to force changes they personally want to see upon the rest of us.

Stu

[lockedandunloaded11]

Honestly, I don't mind the cold. My house is almost always in the mid-fiftys and I go around nude. It simply doesn't bother me.

[barenaked1]

Believe what you want to......

You were banned before, and you're making negative statements about nudity in other threads. "Nuff said." I'm done with you.

"And although our norms are in a constant state of change, we don't appreciate people with other cultural norms trying to force changes they personally want to see upon the rest of us."

And who is 'we' and who said we were trying to 'force' change?
Distort the truth....?

[tinner666]

"Finally, for Dave, english-guy, and Stu, let me reverse the question. What is the big thing about being clothed?" From Bob S.

Yeah, What is the big deal about putting clothes on to look like somebody or something you want to be, instead of showing yourself for what/who you are?

Enlighten us, please. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/confused.gif

[Pete Knight]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted on the 'Secret Naturist Society' forum by Pete Knight
Whenever it feels right I'm naked, but I won't get naked just for the sake of it, its entirely a comfort thing, physical or mental. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I get naked when I feel the need to, when I feel its right, when I feel kind of claustrophobic in clothes, but I'm prevented from doing so at times because of the warped thinking of people like Stu, those who believe that the human body is something to be ashamed of.

I currently have to go to a fenced in club, or a beach, or take a chance in a quiet bit of woodland, but why do I have to hide my nakedness, because of a minority of puritans with their self imposed morals, that's why.

I say naked is normal, festooning yourself with clothes is not, do you bathe in clothes?

Pete Knight

[mdm]

selfishness defined -
"selfishness is not living as one wants to live, but asking others to live as you would wish them to" -- not sure if this is a direct quote from my wife or if she is quoting someone else, but it holds true. live free all

[smoothmike]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Inappropriate nudity is the flouting of a societal norm of cultural origin. There are many other such norms and breaching them causes offence. There are, for instance, linguistic norms; there are words, and topics of conversation, you may say to men in a bar that you would not say to an aged aunt at a wedding. There are clothes you would not wear and behaviours you would not exhibit at a funeral. There are things you do and do not do when eating a mean in a restaurant, or attending a job interview or making a speech. Human beings are cultural creatures. We like being that way and we don't like our norms being unnecessarily flouted - at least not to the extent of causing offence. And although our norms are in a constant state of change, we don't appreciate people with other cultural norms trying to force changes they personally want to see upon the rest of us.

Stu </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Well if you are talking about norms that arent to be flouted then i detect a slight double standard here......

It is a "norm" as you say, for us to be naked when and where we please(providing we abide by the law). So you are saying that it is not normal for us to be naked in our own personal time but it is when its hot or practical?

Have a closer look at the design of these forums.

[Stu2630]

Pete

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I get naked when I feel the need to, when I feel its right, when I feel kind of claustrophobic in clothes, but I'm prevented from doing so at times because of the warped thinking of people like Stu, those who believe that the human body is something to be ashamed of. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have never said that I think the human body is something to be ashamed of, Pete. I think it's a nudist myth that textiles are "ashamed" of our bodies. If we felt ashamed of our bodies, would be shower in single-sex communal showers or use communal changing facilities? We merely hold a very strong belief that there are appropriate occasions when nudity should occur in the presence of others - especially others of the opposite sex. It's grossly unfair of you to label such feelings as "warped".

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I currently have to go to a fenced in club, or a beach, or take a chance in a quiet bit of woodland, but why do I have to hide my nakedness, because of a minority of puritans with their self imposed morals, that's why. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Puritans"? "Morals"? You are using labels again and they do not reflect the way people generally think. Puritanism is a religiously-inspired doctrine and very few people today recognise it as having any bearing on their lives and attitudes. Nudity per se is not a moral issue either in most cases, except to the extent that we have a moral obligation to avoid behaving in ways that upset, annoy or offend other people.I gave you some examples of behaviour that has the potential to do that, and nudity is just one of them.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I say naked is normal, festooning yourself with clothes is not, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't agree with you about that. I say that being clothed is the normal state of modern human beings, especially those living in temperate climates.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">do you bathe in clothes? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No. But I would if I could. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/beam.gif

smoothmike

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">So you are saying that it is not normal for us to be naked in our own personal time but it is when its hot or practical? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mike - what I am saying is that you can be naked when and where you like so long as you take all reasonable steps not to offend others with your nakedness. If you are naked on a popular (textile) beach, then you risk offending others and that would be irresponsible and antisocial. If you are naked in your own home, or on private land out of the view of others, or on a naturist beach, then you are taking the reasonable steps I mentioned.

Stu

[Pete Knight]

Stu

My having to wear cloths when it suites you and your kind offends me, yet I'm supposed to accept that, the point I was getting at when I "labelled"you and your ilk was to illustrate that it is we nudists who are labelled as perverts and wierdo's, but we have to put up with it and be deprived of the opportunity to enjoy a summers day walk dressed as we would prefer, we have to be incarcerated behind the fences of a club.

When nudists outnumber those of you who hate the sight of a naked body, can we force you to disrobe, then hide you in a textile club when you want to festoon yourself?

You know I'm a reasonable sort of guy, but I get quite frustrated with the lack of opportunity to enjoy nudism.

Pete Knight

[Fuzzy Nuts]

Pete - Well stated. I think that almost all of us agree with you 100%

[Stu2630]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">My having to wear cloths when it suites you and your kind offends me, yet I'm supposed to accept that, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The problem of living in any society close to others means that we have to make all sorts of compromises. I don't like the fact that, when I go shopping, or to my gym etc I have to put up with that awful pop "music" they play. I like opera and classical, but I know I'm in a small minority so I have to put up with what most people prefer. I would never try to foist Wagner's Götterdämmerung on my fellow gym-goers - and although they probably wouldn't like it, they wouyldn't actually be offended by it, as we are with nudity. I don't think you are actually 'offended' by wearing clothes, more inconvenienced by it, and annoyed by what you see as an illogical and unreasonable requirement. But if you were a person who was offended by inappropriate nudity, you would understand just how shocking and unpleasant the effect can be, especially upon those who have children who may be exposed to the sight of it.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">the point I was getting at when I "labelled"you and your ilk was to illustrate that it is we nudists who are labelled as perverts and wierdo's, but we have to put up with it and be deprived of the opportunity to enjoy a summers day walk dressed as we would prefer, we have to be incarcerated behind the fences of a club. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't think many people would regard you as "perverts" these days - people are more aware of what nudism is to think that. As for "weirdos", yeah, maybe, but anyone whose behaviour does not conform to normal expectations risks such a label. Most of us have aspects of ourselves that others may regard as "weird", and I'm no exception. As for your right to dress as you please - that 'right' is a delusion for all of us anyway. The way we appear in front of others is limited in all sorts of ways. I can't wear jeans and a tee-shirt for work - I can't even wear shorts no matter how warm it is: for much of my work, I have to wear a suit and tie even on the hottest days. My female friends can wear loose-fitting cotton dresses to work, taking the dog for a walk, at the cinema, while out shopping - anywhere - but I can't.

Nudity is not like other states of dress because, while some clothes leaves one open to ridicule and social exclusion, nudity can cause real offence and gives rise to fear and anger. Nevertheless, there are still many places where you can practise your chosen state. You can do it anywhere in private, at your clubs or on nudist beaches (most of which are not behind high fences) and even in some public places which are out-of-the-way - so long as you exercise due care and consideration.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">When nudists outnumber those of you who hate the sight of a naked body, can we force you to disrobe, then hide you in a textile club when you want to festoon yourself? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Certainly. When you can demonstrate that nudity is the norm to such an extent that the wearing of clothes becomes actually offensive and shocking to a substantial number of people, then you'll have every right to require people such as me to disrobe, or confine ourselves to "textile" clubs. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">You know I'm a reasonable sort of guy, but I get quite frustrated with the lack of opportunity to enjoy nudism. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I understand that. A general acceptance of nudity in public is probably a pipe dream. Do people really want nudity to become commonplace? Should they be forced to accept what they find unacceptable? I don't think so. I think nudity is, and will be for the foreseeable future, very much a minority interest. So let's think of ways you can improve your lot without upsetting the natives. Start by campaigning to get nudists a fair share of public lands, beaches, space in parks etc to enjoy. Be realistic and fight a fight you can win.

Stu

[Pete Knight]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stu2630:
I understand that. A general acceptance of nudity in public is probably a pipe dream. Do people really want nudity to become commonplace? Should they be forced to accept what they find unacceptable? I don't think so. I think nudity is, and will be for the foreseeable future, very much a minority interest. So let's think of ways you can improve your lot without upsetting the natives. Start by campaigning to get nudists a fair share of public lands, beaches, space in parks etc to enjoy. Be realistic and fight a fight you can win.

Stu </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh but Stu, you're wrong, whilst there may not be even close to a majority of practising nudists, there are a lot more people who accept and are not offended by nudity, indeed I think you'll find that it is you that is in the minority.

I don't want to be able to walk into town, and down the High Street naked, what I want is acceptance to be able to take a walk through the woods, or along a coastal path naked if the desire takes me.

Your obsession with nudity worries me when there are more important things to worry about in Britain at the moment, walking down a canal tow path you're more likely to run into a person bent on violent crime than a naked guy yet you put more time and effort into defending your sensibilities against nudity.

If 200 people contacted the authorities to say they wanted to walk naked along Offa's **** they would be met by police ordering them to cover up after a complaint by one person, explain the justice in that please. Before you ask, I could find 200 or more people keen on the idea of a walk if they thought that they would be accepted and permitted to do so by the authorities., the one thing that puts most nudists off the is the prospect of police involvement.

Pete Knight

[hm0504]

The idea that only a small minority of people would find nudism acceptable is disproven in many societies including today's Germany.

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">whilst there may not be even close to a majority of practising nudists, there are a lot more people who accept and are not offended by nudity, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A good example of this is the public response to the World Naked Bike Ride. The many photos and videos of the event at various sites shows nary a offended viewer and many who delighted at the spectacle. The number of complaints were very small, while it is clear that hundreds if not thousands witnessed the WNBR without complaint.

-Mark

[barenaked1]

Well said Pete. This guy should run for public office for the spin he can put on things, not that I would vote for him.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pete Knight:
Stu

My having to wear cloths when it suites you and your kind offends me, yet I'm supposed to accept that, the point I was getting at when I "labelled"you and your ilk was to illustrate that it is we nudists who are labelled as perverts and wierdo's, but we have to put up with it and be deprived of the opportunity to enjoy a summers day walk dressed as we would prefer, we have to be incarcerated behind the fences of a club.

When nudists outnumber those of you who hate the sight of a naked body, can we force you to disrobe, then hide you in a textile club when you want to festoon yourself?

You know I'm a reasonable sort of guy, but I get quite frustrated with the lack of opportunity to enjoy nudism.

Pete Knight </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[barenaked1]

Interesting link Fear of Nudity (http://www.changethatsrightnow.com/problem_detail.asp?SDID=1679:1718)

[kphoger]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Finally, for Dave, english-guy, and Stu, let me reverse the question. What is the big thing about being clothed?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

figures. this very comment occured to me just the other day, but i'm late to the punch.

it has been said -- though overlooked -- in this thread that there are two completely different views on nudity going on here. the "textile" view is that being clothed is the natural state of man, and thus the question, "why the big thing about being nude?". the nudist view is that nude is the natural state of man, and we therefore don't think being nude is such a big deal.

i took a bath when i got home from work today. i didn't bother to get dressed before dinner, and i'll remain nude until it's time to go to work tomorrow. why the big thing about getting dressed? not many people would say i'm doing wrong, even though my wife is home. a few people would say so if my daughter were home, and even more would say so if my in-laws were still over from christmas. i don't get it: they're all family, and they all know what parts people come equipped with. everybody out there has basically the same parts, yet for some reason we're meant to feel ashamed of them, expected to hide them from each other.

my body is created in the image of god, and i thoroughly enjoy the feel of being nude -- indoors and out. this is why the big thing about being nude: that it feels good to us, and we don't see anything to be ashamed of. most of us do understand that other people are offended by nudity, but it's really frustrating to have to live according to their offense. you see, there's a difference between nudism and inappropriate dress at a funeral. i highly doubt many nudists would think it appropriate to go nude at a non-nudist funeral. however, spending a day at the park is a far cry from attending a funeral; it's simply relaxing in god's creation (and maybe man's landscaping), and we would appreciate the freedom to do so the way god created us.

i'm rambling, and my train of thought is running out of steam. sorry if i bored you.

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by barenaked1:
Interesting link Fear of Nudity (http://www.changethatsrightnow.com/problem_detail.asp?SDID=1679:1718) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL, notice that it doesn't say ANYTHING specifically about nudity. It is all boilerplate that any phobia can be plugged into.

Note how "Fear of Nakedness" is practically identical to "Fear of Cats": http://www.changethatsrightnow.com/fear-of-cats.asp?SDID=978:1350

-Mark

[barenaked1]

Yeah! Just figured it was tongue in cheek.

Nice catch,Mark

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Naturist Mark:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by barenaked1:
Interesting link Fear of Nudity (http://www.changethatsrightnow.com/problem_detail.asp?SDID=1679:1718) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL, notice that it doesn't say ANYTHING specifically about nudity. It is all boilerplate that any phobia can be plugged into.

Note how "Fear of Nakedness" is practically identical to "Fear of Cats": http://www.changethatsrightnow.com/fear-of-cats.asp?SDID=978:1350

-Mark </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[barenaked1]

Not boring.nice train of thought,,,,

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kphoger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Finally, for Dave, english-guy, and Stu, let me reverse the question. What is the big thing about being clothed?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

figures. this very comment occured to me just the other day, but i'm late to the punch.

it has been said -- though overlooked -- in this thread that there are two completely different views on nudity going on here. the "textile" view is that being clothed is the natural state of man, and thus the question, "why the big thing about being nude?". the nudist view is that nude is the natural state of man, and we therefore don't think being nude is such a big deal.

i took a bath when i got home from work today. i didn't bother to get dressed before dinner, and i'll remain nude until it's time to go to work tomorrow. why the big thing about getting dressed? not many people would say i'm doing wrong, even though my wife is home. a few people would say so if my daughter were home, and even more would say so if my in-laws were still over from christmas. i don't get it: they're all family, and they all know what parts people come equipped with. everybody out there has basically the same parts, yet for some reason we're meant to feel ashamed of them, expected to hide them from each other.

my body is created in the image of god, and i thoroughly enjoy the feel of being nude -- indoors and out. this is why the big thing about being nude: that it feels good to us, and we don't see anything to be ashamed of. most of us do understand that other people are offended by nudity, but it's really frustrating to have to live according to their offense. you see, there's a difference between nudism and inappropriate dress at a funeral. i highly doubt many nudists would think it appropriate to go nude at a non-nudist funeral. however, spending a day at the park is a far cry from attending a funeral; it's simply relaxing in god's creation (and maybe man's landscaping), and we would appreciate the freedom to do so the way god created us.

i'm rambling, and my train of thought is running out of steam. sorry if i bored you. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Pete Knight]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kphoger:


it has been said -- though overlooked -- in this thread that there are two completely different views on nudity going on here. the "textile" view is that being clothed is the natural state of man, and thus the question, "why the big thing about being nude?". the nudist view is that nude is the natural state of man, and we therefore don't think being nude is such a big deal. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I feel that I must correct you here, there is in fact another line of thought, the who gives a damn line of thought is far greater in number than both the pro nude and anti nude lobbies, yet this is overlooked by the anti nude lobby.

There are more people not offended by nudity than there are Stu's in this world, but these are the people who usually can't be bothered to vote, the so called 'Silent Majority' all we tend to hear is the more vociferous anti, minority viewpoint.

Pete Knight

[Stu2630]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">There are more people not offended by nudity that there are Stu's in this world, but these are the people who usually can't be bothered to vote, the so called 'Silent Majority' all we tend to hear is the more vociferous anti minority viewpoint. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't think it's as simple as talking "minorites" and "majorities", Pete. Most people don't slot neatly into the "Fine with nudity anytime" and "hate nudity all the time" camps, but rather are somewhere in between. In other words, they have their own levels of tolerance/acceptance which means that there are circumstances in which they won't accept it. A young couple may stand and cheer as the "Naked Bike Ride" spectacle passes (although riders in some towns have been forced to cover up), yet they may not find nudity acceptable among, say, a group of teenagers playing in their local park, especially if they have children with them.

For nakedness to be permitted anywhere, one simple test could be the utilitarian approach - that is to ask the question, with regard to this particular event or location, which is the greater? Is it the number of people who actually want to be naked and/or see naked people? Or is it the number of people likely to object or be offended or embarrassed by it? As a general rule of thumb, where it is the latter, nudity should be prohibited.

Stu

[smoothmike]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Mike - what I am saying is that you can be naked when and where you like so long as you take all reasonable steps not to offend others with your nakedness. If you are naked on a popular (textile) beach, then you risk offending others and that would be irresponsible and antisocial. If you are naked in your own home, or on private land out of the view of others, or on a naturist beach, then you are taking the reasonable steps I mentioned. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So why ask us what the big deal is? I think you are making it a big deal. If we want to be naked we have every right to be when ever we want. We do acknowlege that there are places and times that arent appropriate even tho we would like to change that however we live with it and make the best of our circumstances.

From your posts it seem you are quite bent on knockin any idea the nudism in our view is a normal thing.You make it sound as if we are trying to dominate the world. i dont think we are i think the general feel amongst nudists is that we just want acceptance.

Society for a long time has associated nudity with sex/ludeness etc. and we all know that is not the case. Look at history and you will see who has countless times poluted inocent societies with the ideals of textile lives and used the sight of nudity as being unsavory or uncouth as an excuse to do so. So may be nudism is not such a bad thin after all.

[K and C]

I agree with Pete 100%

[Stu2630]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">So why ask us what the big deal is? I think you are making it a big deal. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I didn't ask you what the big deal is - I didn't start this thread. I know what the big deal is and I was trying to answer the question.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">If we want to be naked we have every right to be when ever we want. We do acknowlege that there are places and times that arent appropriate even tho we would like to change that however we live with it and make the best of our circumstances. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your second sentence appears to contradict your first, but I think I get the gist of your point in the final two clauses. You would like to change the world - OK - who wouldn't? But that change has to be with the consent of everyone else with whom you share this world and can't be railroaded through regardless of others' feelings (even if you consider those feelings to be misplaced).

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">From your posts it seem you are quite bent on knockin any idea the nudism in our view is a normal thing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have never knocked nudism. If you read my previous posts, you will see I support your right to practise it in locations set aside for nudism and, in some limited circumstances, outside of those areas.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">You make it sound as if we are trying to dominate the world. i dont think we are </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't believe you are trying to dominate the world. There are, however, some nudists who seem to be on a mission to "push the envelope" by allowing their nudity to encroach into the wider public sphere, and too bad if the rest of us are uncomfortable with that. That's the only thing I would take issue with.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">i think the general feel amongst nudists is that we just want acceptance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Acceptance to do what? Acceptance to have naturist places? You've already got that - not enough places I admit, but that's what you need to fight for and I'm on your side. If you want "acceptance" to be naked on a textile beach next to me and my family, then you are not respecting the feelings I have about the naked body, so why should I have to accept that?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Society for a long time has associated nudity with sex/ludeness etc. and we all know that is not the case. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sex and ludeness often do involve nudity, so it's hardly surprising. Non-sexual nudism is very much a minority interest so the sight of opposite sex nudity usually occurs in sexual circumstances.

Nudism has to move forward and negotiate with the wider society to gain the rights and resources it is entitled to while acknowledging the fact that many people still experience adverse feelings when encountering unexpected nudity. And those feelings should be respected and not dismissed as illogical, unhealthy or prudish.

Stu

[stomper69]

WOW!!There are some extreme veiws being posted here.1st)Dave started this and began by saying that he liked being nude when the time was right.Then he lost control and put out global warming.Saying we were destroying the Earth by heating or cooling our homes JUST to be nude.Big industries were then mentioned as a way to put a stop to that line of thought,kudos to the one that brought it up.Next,there is STU,a person that seems to have all the answers to set the world right.Stu only wants him and his family to be free from the grotesque and unnatural state of the human body.I believe he stated that he would bathe clothed if he could.For such an intellegent sounding person,that is probably the most retarded statement I have come across yet.I'm no scholar,but,I like to think I have some common sense.To be fair though,he also says that we don't have enough space for ourselves to live life clothes free as we would like to.Perhaps therin lies the answer.Every country worldwide should have one nudist city in which residents and visitors could live their lives the way they see fit(without clothes) and not offend the Dave's and Stu's of the world.That's it for me Utopia at last!!!

[stomper69]

As for the sex and nudity thing I'll save that issue for another day.Utopia!!!

[Stu2630]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">For such an intellegent sounding person,that is probably the most retarded statement I have come across yet. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Stomper that's not because I am "retarded" - it's because I don't like being nude.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Every country worldwide should have one nudist city in which residents and visitors could live their lives the way they see fit(without clothes) and not offend the Dave's and Stu's of the world. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Great idea! If it could be made to work, I'd support that. Then everyone would be happy.

Wouldn't they? http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/smoking.gif

Stu

[kphoger]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> I don't believe you are trying to dominate the world. There are, however, some nudists who seem to be on a mission to "push the envelope" by allowing their nudity to encroach into the wider public sphere, and too bad if the rest of us are uncomfortable with that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
once upon a time, wasn't it just as frowned-upon for a woman to wear men's pants? maybe not, but perhaps for a man to appear in public in short shorts and no shirt. i wonder how different things really are regarding nudity or toplessness. somebody had to start the ball rolling, and i don't think anyone would condemn them as "pushing the envelope," even though that's what they did. maybe this is no different.

just musing..

[smoothmike]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">WOW!!There are some extreme veiws being posted here.1st)Dave started this and began by saying that he liked being nude when the time was right.Then he lost control and put out global warming.Saying we were destroying the Earth by heating or cooling our homes JUST to be nude.Big industries were then mentioned as a way to put a stop to that line of thought,kudos to the one that brought it up.Next,there is STU,a person that seems to have all the answers to set the world right.Stu only wants him and his family to be free from the grotesque and unnatural state of the human body.I believe he stated that he would bathe clothed if he could.For such an intellegent sounding person,that is probably the most retarded statement I have come across yet.I'm no scholar,but,I like to think I have some common sense.To be fair though,he also says that we don't have enough space for ourselves to live life clothes free as we would like to.Perhaps therin lies the answer.Every country worldwide should have one nudist city in which residents and visitors could live their lives the way they see fit(without clothes) and not offend the Dave's and Stu's of the world.That's it for me Utopia at last!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
stomper69, i like your line on that 1. hehe

stu, you have taken great time and energy dissecting each word i post, why dont we save time and u can tell us exactly what yr point is and how it relates to the original question.May be even tell us where you stand on the issue.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Stomper that's not because I am "retarded" - it's because I don't like being nude.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ummmm.... if you dont like being nude then wt* r u doing on this site? do you just want to show people that you know everything?

[Stu2630]

Smoothmike

The question that started this thread is "why the big thing about being nude?". OK, I'll answer that by saying that most people approach nudity from a cultural perspective and, as such, they believe there are times and places and among people when it is acceptable - outside those, it is not. The tricky bit is that different people have different thresholds with regard to it. I hate being nude - even alone - and I never let anyone see me nude - ever. I also avoid seeing other people nude so far as possible, though I'm not severely phobic about it. That is the "big thing" for me but I acknowledge that my thresholds are not typical.

Stu

[nudefree03]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stu2630:
Smoothmike

The question that started this thread is "why the big thing about being nude?". OK, I'll answer that by saying that most people approach nudity from a cultural perspective and, as such, they believe there are times and places and among people when it is acceptable - outside those, it is not. The tricky bit is that different people have different thresholds with regard to it. I hate being nude - even alone - and I never let anyone see me nude - ever. I also avoid seeing other people nude so far as possible, though I'm not severely phobic about it. That is the "big thing" for me but I acknowledge that my thresholds are not typical.

Stu </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You really are on the wrong site Stu, aren't you, if you 'hate' being nude? http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif Doesn't it make you sick to you stomach to log into this site every single day and talk to nude people?? http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/rolleyes2.gif

[smoothmike]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Smoothmike

The question that started this thread is "why the big thing about being nude?". OK, I'll answer that by saying that most people approach nudity from a cultural perspective and, as such, they believe there are times and places and among people when it is acceptable - outside those, it is not. The tricky bit is that different people have different thresholds with regard to it. I hate being nude - even alone - and I never let anyone see me nude - ever. I also avoid seeing other people nude so far as possible, though I'm not severely phobic about it. That is the "big thing" for me but I acknowledge that my thresholds are not typical.

Stu </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In that one statement you just summed yourself up, u have no business being here if you despise nudity so much.

These forums are designed around nude recreation, if one choses to be clothed then we respect that. What we do not respect is people like yourself who find it so compelling to come to a place where most if not all the topics posted have a common theme... that is nudity. It seems like you have a lot of baggage in relation to nudism and nudity, why don't you take your baggage and leave it at the door, im sure people would value your opinions but not when they are as idiotic as they have been in this thread. I try not to make a habit of attacking people but this has really got me by the short and curlys and i don't even have any.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">

You really are on the wrong site Stu, aren't you, if you 'hate' being nude? Smiler Doesn't it make you sick to you stomach to log into this site every single day and talk to nude people?? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well said nudefree.

Why dont you give it a rest stu

[Stu2630]

Calm down, gentlemen! Please try to look at what I am saying, rather than reading things into it that aren't there.

I said I hated being naked and I avoid seeing people in that state - that is a very long way from saying I hate nude people, because I certainly don't! I hate the sound of hymn singing and never sing them myself, but that doesn't mean that I don't talk to, and enjoy the company and friendship of, Christians (I just steer clear of them when they are singing). I like and respect many of the people here, some of whom I correspond with privately, and one of them I have even invited to stay with me (so long as he keeps his clothes on around me!). I have an admiration of naturism itself because people who engage in that are prepared to individualistic and challenge convention - something I do myself in other respects. And don't forget that I wholeheartedly support nudists gaining more and better beaches, facilities and so on.

The question of the thread is "why the big thing about being nude?" - well, being nude isn't a "big thing" with you naturists, so who better to answer that question than a confirmed non-naturist for whom it IS a big thing?

OK, I'm an outsider looking in, and I'm staying on the outside. But my intentions are friendly.

Stu

[smoothmike]

I think your confused. ive re read this thread and taken time to digest everything that has been written and i think you try and justify yourself with lines like

"I said I hated being naked and I avoid seeing people in that state - that is a very long way from saying I hate nude people"

I never said you hated nude people, but i think you contradict yourself a little too much. Im not going to re-cap and quote all the contradictions you've made that would take up too much bandwidth.

You hate being nude but come into a forum dedicated to nudism and make statements that give you the appearance of someone who cant stomach the idea. If thats not a contradiction then i dont know what is.

I choose from this point on to not reply to any of your remarks unless you have something to say other than that of a distressed textile in a foreign naked world.

I guess 9 months in the womb naked was just a little too much for you to handle and may have scared you for life, im glad i was naked when i was born and im proud to be naked now.

And yes i am calm.

-END-

[Stu2630]

smoothmike

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">You hate being nude but come into a forum dedicated to nudism and make statements that give you the appearance of someone who cant stomach the idea. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What does that mean? You see a contradiction in that the fact that I hate being nude but I enjoy conversing with people who feel the opposite? That's not a very intelligent argument, now is it? Then you say:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I choose from this point on to not reply to any of your remarks unless you have something to say other than that of a distressed textile in a foreign naked world. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not distressed. I have not said I am distressed. Where did that come from? From your imagination, obviously. But I do agree with you about you not replying to any more of my remarks because it is obviously pointless. I enjoy discussing the finer intellectual and philosophical aspects of nudism from the perspective of an outsider who has no wish to change. I have found that I can do that here with some people, but not others. You are clearly not grasping the points I am making, so I must assume you are in the second category. So let's each of us go our own way and leave it at that. OK? http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

Stu

[smoothmike]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> I enjoy discussing the finer intellectual and philosophical aspects of nudism from the perspective of an outsider who has no wish to change </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I dont see any philosophy in your posts only negativity/opposition and arrogance.

[Stu2630]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I dont see any philosophy in your posts only negativity/opposition and arrogance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you are incapable of reconciling hating being nude and seeing nudity with gaining pleasure and stimulation by discussing and debating the issue with those who enjoy it, then I'm absolutely certain you will never see any philosophy. And if you have truthfully looked back over all my posts and only see negativity and opposition towards nudism, then it's perhaps not just philosophy you find challenging, but basic literacy.

That's why it's best if you don't try to engage with me any more - like you said before.

Stu

[smoothmike]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stu2630:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I dont see any philosophy in your posts only negativity/opposition and arrogance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you are incapable of reconciling hating being nude and seeing nudity with gaining pleasure and stimulation by discussing and debating the issue with those who enjoy it, then I'm absolutely certain you will never see any philosophy. And if you have truthfully looked back over all my posts and only see negativity and opposition towards nudism, then it's perhaps not just philosophy you find challenging, but basic literacy.

That's why it's best if you don't try to engage with me any more - like you said before.

Stu </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I will take that as an insult as u attempt to once again belittle some one who clearly does understand what you say, i never said i didnt understand. I oppose your views and i understand that you accept that, i do also accept that you oppose many of our views also. However you continually leave no room for growth in the discussion and consistently plough people down with rebuttals that represent a view that textile is the only way to be and nude is to be put over to one corner. This is the same mentality that killed of many of my ancestors when "modern" man went to Africa, and Asia and gave disease infested clothes to natives because they were nude and it was considered to be uncouth, then took the survivors as slaves because they wanted to dominate that land.

THAT mentality i see in you my friend. THAT mentality being that what is said by the few that get into power and decide that all must live a particular way.
My ancestors had no problems before THAT mentality came in. Now they are at war with their own kind due to greed and jealousy which didn't exist before the concept of ownership.(mirrors, clothes,watches etc.)

My issues with nudity run deeper than you think and its not just because my ancestors were naked in the beginning of our time. Its because the oppression i/Some feel as nudist being forced to live behind fences or hidden away beaches (very few mind you)with very little recognition by council and government, is the same as the oppression felt by my family in the home land, times have changed but the mentality has not. From what ive read in you posts the im right your wrong mentality is the same as that in my ancestral past.

dont bother replying this message i dont want to hear the dictatorship that you have displayed to me in the past few days.I dont hate you im past hate, i just dont want a reply from you.

Keep safe over the holidays

[barenaked1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by smoothmike:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> I enjoy discussing the finer intellectual and philosophical aspects of nudism from the perspective of an outsider who has no wish to change </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I dont see any philosophy in your posts only negativity/opposition and arrogance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Stu Said:

"If you are incapable of reconciling hating being nude and seeing nudity with gaining pleasure and stimulation by discussing and debating the issue with those who enjoy it, then I'm absolutely certain you will never see any philosophy. And if you have truthfully looked back over all my posts and only see negativity and opposition towards nudism, then it's perhaps not just philosophy you find challenging, but basic literacy."

Gee, Mike, looks like when he's backed into a corner, he gets very insulting. I think there are other people that will agree with you. I think the moderators need to question his motives as to why he's even here.

[smoothmike]

Barenaked i try and avoid conflict especially in a place like this, however these types of people really do get me revved up. im all up for discussion but when the trend goes as it has been, a series of cut downs and quotes from all over the show and the feeling that one person is trying to belittle others, it gets a little difficult to maintain an objective view.

[Stu2630]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I will take that as an insult </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So you think it’s fine to call someone “negative” and “arrogant” and describe their opinions as “stupid”? I think that was rude.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">as u attempt to once again belittle some one who clearly does understand what you say, i never said i didnt understand. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You clearly haven’t understood it because you have repeatedly misrepresented my position. I tried to explain it again, in really simple terms, but you still missed the point.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I oppose your views and i understand that you accept that, i do also accept that you oppose many of our views also. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The only view here that I oppose is that nudity should not be confined to times and places where it can be expected and accepted, but should be allowed generally in public. Quite a lot of nudists actually agree with me that nudity shouldn't be allowed anywhere, and nudists should have places set aside for them. There are no other differences between us that I can think of.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">my ancestors were naked in the beginning of our time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So were mine. So were everybody’s. So what?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">dont bother replying this message i dont want to hear the dictatorship that you have displayed to me in the past few days. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I’m sure you don’t! So maybe you won’t reply to this, then? Like you said you wouldn’t last time.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I dont hate you im past hate, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Does this mean you want a divorce, darling?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Gee, Mike, looks like when he's backed into a corner, he gets very insulting. I think there are other people that will agree with you. I think the moderators need to question his motives as to why he's even here </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah, an example of ‘fairness’, Barenaked’s style. He can read what he sees as my insults to smoothmike, but is blind to the rudeness I have tolerated from him. BTW – if I ever find myself “backed into a corner” by someone like smoothmike, I’ll go and get myself checked out for senility.

I hope the moderators look back over this thread and see how I have attempted, patiently, to calm things down and explain my position while I have suffered unprovoked rudeness from smoothmike.

Stu

[Pete Knight]

Time out please gentlemen, time out.

Stu, you are the interloper here I would suggest that you back off for a while, this is after all a forum for the promotion and furtherance of nudism, you do nothing in that respect, and your arguments are becoming repetitive and tiresome.

I'm always happy to hear a differing viewpoint, but your arguments against nudism are based entirely upon your own personal feelings, perhaps you should consider counselling!

If counselling is not an option you're prepared to consider, then why not start you own anti-nudity forum, I wonder if it will have the same support that CFI enjoys?

Concerned of Britain (AKA Pete Knight)

[Fuzzy Nuts]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Pete Knight:
Time out please gentlemen, time out.

Stu, you are the interloper here I would suggest that you back off for a while, this is after all a forum for the promotion and furtherance of nudism, you do nothing in that respect, and your arguments are becoming repetitive and tiresome.

Pete Knight - a hearty hear hear to your comments. I wonder if many of the readers actually bother reading Stu's anti- nudity epistles? I know that I gave up on them a long time ago.
]

[sawdust]

Stu has a current history and one in the past of being anti-nudist. As such, he was once asked to leave this web site. With his then departure peace was restored. Now he is back spouting the same tripe as he did the first time. I, like many others I expect, have once again grown tired of him and what he has to say.
Stu, my suggestion is get naked or get going. As it is you have no place here! Sawdust

[Stu2630]

Pete

You are right. I should expect nudists to stick together against the interloper rather than to be fair and objective. And of course my posts are wildly anti-nudist, aren't they, such as this one I made on the previous page of this very thread:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I said I hated being naked and I avoid seeing people in that state - that is a very long way from saying I hate nude people, because I certainly don't! I hate the sound of hymn singing and never sing them myself, but that doesn't mean that I don't talk to, and enjoy the company and friendship of, Christians (I just steer clear of them when they are singing). I like and respect many of the people here, some of whom I correspond with privately, and one of them I have even invited to stay with me (so long as he keeps his clothes on around me!). I have an admiration of naturism itself because people who engage in that are prepared to individualistic and challenge convention - something I do myself in other respects. And don't forget that I wholeheartedly support nudists gaining more and better beaches, facilities and so on.

The question of the thread is "why the big thing about being nude?" - well, being nude isn't a "big thing" with you naturists, so who better to answer that question than a confirmed non-naturist for whom it IS a big thing?

OK, I'm an outsider looking in, and I'm staying on the outside. But my intentions are friendly. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The "admiration" I mentioned is rapidly evaporating.

Stu

[Pete Knight]

Oh dear Stu, now you're sounding bitter and twisted, and all because you're spouting your augments against the furtherance of naturism, which is what this forum is all about, it exists for no other reason.

You know me from previous encounters on other fora, you know I'm a reasonable sort of guy, I don't seek the right to walk down my local High Street naked, but I cannot accept confinement to club, resorts or beaches, which is what you expect of us. A great many nudists already enjoy freehiking, but with some trepidation, I want to be able to walk in wide open spaces, over great distances, clubs do not offer me that freedom.

Enough said for now, take up my suggestion to back off for now, before you find yourself banned yet again, you're doing yourself no favours continuing as you are.

Pete Knight

[Stu2630]

Pete

OK, I'll back off for a while. But as a "reasonable sort of guy", you know I'm a reasonable guy too and that some of the attacks on me here are unfair. Could you not be even-handed and correct people here who say things like I'm "anti-nudist"? You know perfectly well that, even though we may hold different opinions about when and where nudity is appropriate, I have always supported responsible nudism.

Stu

[tinner666]

Stu has taken 'our side' acouple of times. Though he and I disagree on some things, even he acknowledges his daughter might join us. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/beam.gif There is no need for anybody to get nasty. And I usually ignore that stuff. So, all of you take 5, then agree to disagee more amicably. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/rolleyes2.gif
When he or somebody says something I really don't like, I usually just ignore it too. Face it. We all have our own opinions, and no amount of shouting will change his, yours, or mine. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/beam.gif

It's all in fun to me, unless bodily harm is imminent. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/beam.gif

[LamontCranston]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I said I hated being naked and I avoid seeing people in that state.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> So... why do you dial in to a web site chock full of pictures of nude people? http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/confused.gif

[Bob S.]

All right, enough of the Stu bashing! There is nothing in the rules about having to agree with the majority on any subject in order to participate.

There are, however, rules against insulting other people. Debating arguments is fine. Calling their arguments idiotic, stupid, arrogant, etc. is called flaming, and is therefore banned.

Pete was right when he stated, "Time out please gentlemen, time out." It is time for a time out. But not just for Stu, but for Pete and Mike. Calm down and think before you write. If you would hate for someone to write it to you, don't write it to anyone else. I am not in the mood to give anyone a warning. It'll ruin my New Year's.

Now I am going to close this topic. It is hopelessly off track and getting out of hand.

Bob S.
moderator