Tattoos & Body Piercings [Archive]

Rex

03-16-2004, 11:55 PM

Hi P.J.,
Have you ever heard the saying, beauty is in the eye of the beholder?

I have one tattoo, a swallow, on the fleshy part of the back of my right hand, near the base of my thumb.
I had it done in 1953, in Denmark, when I was in the Royal Navy.
It cost the equivalent of 15 US cents, hardly a large sum, even in 1953.
My hands are large and muscular, and have seen plenty of sun and hard work, but my swallow is still clearly defined.
She has a name too, Scheherazade.
I have never regretted having this tattoo, and, if I had my time over again, that's one thing I would not change.

03-17-2004, 05:12 AM

I doubt anyone who gets a tattoo or a piercing really cares whether P.J. approves of it or whether P.J. thinks it improves them or not.

People do things for their own reasons. Not for you to judge.

NuTex

03-17-2004, 02:52 PM

P.J. wrote,
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> Tattoos are expensive and look terrible. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>While I'm not crazy about tattoos in general that's a personal opinion. Who are you or I to tell someone what to do with their body? If Red wants a tattoo she has a right to do so without us questioning her decision.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> Red...you are gorgeous, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I agree 100%!!!!!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> but get rid of that tattoo, get a good agent and go to Hollywood!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>While I agree about getting a good agent and hitting Hollywood the tattoo won't hold her back. Look at Angelina Jolie (of Tomb Raider fame). Angelina Jolie (http://www.vanishingtattoo.com/tattoo/celeb-jolie.htm)
It hasn't hurt her career any.
NuTex

HereticChick

03-17-2004, 03:15 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by P.J.:
I challenge anyone to show me one (...just one) tattoo or body piercing that has improved just one individual.

Tattoos are expensive and look terrible. After some years have passed, tattos look really bad.

Red...you are gorgeous, but get rid of that tattoo, get a good agent and go to Hollywood!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Tattoos aren't about making oneself "look better" or imrove someone. They're about expression. Of course, it's your opinion how they look. I personally have two tattoos and I love them both. They're a way of expressing myself. Reclaiming my body, if you will. I wouldn't get rid of them for anything. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Trailscout

03-17-2004, 04:09 PM

Tattoos disfigure a work of art, your body. There are plenty of ways to express your outlook on life without defacing your skin. Otherwise you are expressing the same attitude of textile people who think they have to wear something to express themselves.

hm0504

03-17-2004, 04:23 PM

I'd suggest anyone considering a tattoo, first try out a lasting, but non-permanent marking.

I admit I have no understanding of the attraction of tattoos or piercing. Non-permanent decorations I think, though, could be quite appealing.

03-17-2004, 04:53 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
Tattoos disfigure a work of art, your body. There are plenty of ways to express your outlook on life without defacing your skin. Otherwise you are expressing the same attitude of textile people who think they have to wear something to express themselves. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That tattoos disfigure is your opinion. To the person who gets one(preferably after much reflection on why and what they want)it may enhance that "work of art".

Does it express the same attitude of textiles? I doubt it, since a tattoo doesn't conceal the form of the body as does clothing.

The point being, it is an individual choice. Just as a body piercing is an individual choice. Neither cause any harm to others and thus are not moral wrongs. You may not like them, but I doubt you are in any danger from a tattooist or piercer forcibly dragging you in and putting their mark on you.

Croydon

03-17-2004, 04:57 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by P.J.:
I challenge anyone to show me one (...just one) tattoo or body piercing that has improved just one individual.

Tattoos are expensive and look terrible. After some years have passed, tattos look really bad.

Red...you are gorgeous, but get rid of that tattoo, get a good agent and go to Hollywood!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>How dare you judge someone based on their tattoo or piercing. I have both and love them very much and plan on getting another tattoo and piercing. We are entitled to do as we please with our bodies just as you are entitled to be a nudist, shave your face, or cut your hair; all of which are ways of expressing yourself.

If you don't like people's tattoo or piercing, do us and yourself a favor, shut up about it. You hear that too Trail?

03-17-2004, 04:58 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by hm0504:
I'd suggest anyone considering a tattoo, first try out a lasting, but non-permanent marking. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Good idea. Neither tattoos nor piercings should be "spur of the moment" decisions but rather should be only done after some reflection on the matter.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>I admit I have no understanding of the attraction of tattoos or piercing. Non-permanent decorations I think, though, could be quite appealing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>They are quite appealing, for the same reason as tattoos and piercings. Just look at the popularity of body painting at most nudist gatherings. A tattoo is just a permanent form of body painting. Yes, they do fade, although the modern inks don't seem to fade as quickly as the older inks did. Piercings, done correctly, don't change at all with time.

hairyhomer

03-17-2004, 04:58 PM

Scars disfigure the body too and I would gladly get rid of all of them if I could but the tattoos will stay. I waited until I was 49 to get my first tattoo (7 in all now) and the only ones I could do without are the 3 I had for radiation the others all express something special in my life that I always want to remember and share. /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

03-17-2004, 05:04 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Croydon:
How dare you judge someone based on their tattoo or piercing. I have both and love them very much and plan on getting another tattoo and piercing. We are entitled to do as we please with our bodies just as you are entitled to be a nudist, shave your face, or cut your hair; all of which are ways of expressing yourself.

If you don't like people's tattoo or piercing, do us and yourself a favor, shut up about it. You hear that too Trail? [/QB] <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Regrettably, there are some people who insist on judging others, while demanding that their activities not be judged. This is particularly appalling in the nudist community which for years has said to the textile community, "let us practice nudism in peace because you have no right to call it immoral or wrong..." Yet, there are members of the nudist community who are quite happy to condemn various practices by other nudists as being "wrong or immoral"

Hypocrisy is not limited to the textile community.

NoodJuggler

03-17-2004, 05:18 PM

What do you expect from a new member...Might as well get use to it..No matter what you do in life someone will find something bad to say about it. I have several piercing now and like all of them. Some don't understand why but really, Nothing needs to be explained. Just do it.

hm0504

03-17-2004, 05:44 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> They are quite appealing, for the same reason as tattoos and piercings. Just look at the popularity of body painting at most nudist gatherings. A tattoo is just a permanent form of body painting. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I think it is the permanence that I find particularly unappealing/unnerving though I can understand that some might want to use tattoos as way of preserving special memories.

Piercings -- well, frankly even the word makes me queasy so not much I can say about that.

NudeAl

03-17-2004, 05:52 PM

As I said before I have no tattoos but I don't think there is anything wrong with them. I don't like others trying to tell me how to live my life so I try not to do it to anyone else. So what if you have a tat? As long as it is not derogotory or racist then I say live your life how you want to and &#@$*!!! what anyone else thinks.

03-17-2004, 06:44 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by NoodJuggler:
What do you expect from a new member...Might as well get use to it..No matter what you do in life someone will find something bad to say about it. I have several piercing now and like all of them. Some don't understand why but really, Nothing needs to be explained. Just do it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I like that statement of yours; "Nothing needs to be explained." It's your body and your choice. There are several members of our local club with piercings and/or tattoos. No one objects... and if they did, management would tell them to mind their own business.

03-17-2004, 06:48 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by hm0504:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> They are quite appealing, for the same reason as tattoos and piercings. Just look at the popularity of body painting at most nudist gatherings. A tattoo is just a permanent form of body painting. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I think it is the permanence that I find particularly unappealing/unnerving though I can understand that some might want to use tattoos as way of preserving special memories.

Piercings -- well, frankly even the word makes me queasy so not much I can say about that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The permanence is why I always say that a tattoo should never be done until some deep thought has gone into it.

Piercings aren't that rough. My wife, after several months of thinking it over, decided to have both nipples pierced. It didn't bother her that much, and she loves the look. So do I /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But it was entirely her choice.

shãybare

03-17-2004, 07:38 PM

I am a strong believer in individual freedom. I may have said that somewhere before. As long as it does not harm, no I don't mean offend, others, an individual should be able to make his/her own choices in life and not have to worry about what others think of those choices. In my opinion, people that go around telling others how to live their lives should get a life of their own and take a long look in the mirror because there are loads of things others see in them and don't like.

P.J. is new to nudism and has much to learn about it, but there are a lot of people on here that are not new to nudism and still can't make the connection that nudism is about "Body Acceptance". Not just your OWN body but the bodies of OTHERS also. How can people that claim to know what nudism is about constantly bicker about tatoos, shaving and piercings. Why don't you also gripe about the way people color their hair? No, I am not just talking about women. Men don't want to have gray hair so they use JUST FOR MEN or something else. Aren't you that holler for not harming the body and letting the body be natural going to gripe about this also? It would be natural not to cut your toenails or fingernails. Just let the damn things grow along with your hair, you'll look just great.

03-17-2004, 08:25 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by shaybare:
I am a strong believer in individual freedom. I may have said that somewhere before. As long as it does not harm, no I don't mean offend, others, an individual should be able to make his/her own choices in life and not have to worry about what others think of those choices. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Right on.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>P.J. is new to nudism and has much to learn about it, but there are a lot of people on here that are not new to nudism and still can't make the connection that nudism is about "Body Acceptance". Not just your OWN body but the bodies of OTHERS also. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Thank you. You have hit the nail right on the head, and driven it home in one blow.

Rex

03-17-2004, 09:08 PM

P.J. is new to nudism, but he's come to the right place to learn a few things, and I bet he's both a thinker, and a fast learner.

Trailscout has deep religious convictions, which I respect, whilst not necessarily agreeing with all of them.
Sometimes Trailscout will speak from the point of view of his religious conviction, without actually saying that is what has framed his opinion.
I don't think he is telling anyone what they MUST do, or believe, I think he is inviting us to consider something from his point of view.
Please excuse me for speaking for you on this, Trailscout. Just let me know, if I've spoken out of turn.

Originally posted by Oldman:

"Yes, they do fade, although the modern inks don't seem to fade as quickly as the older inks did."

I had the swallow on the back of my right hand done in 1953, at a table in the corner of a waterfront bar called the Cafe Norge, in the port city of Arhus, Denmark, by a man named Tattoo Peter.
After all these years, it's still clearly defined.
I had no idea that the very informal Tattoo Peter was using such advanced technology!

LEAVE ME ALONE

03-17-2004, 09:19 PM

LOL....

My question is why would we have to prove anything to PJ?

Our choice, Our Decision, he isn't paying for it, so I don't see why anyone would have to prove anything...

That's my ten cents, my two cents is free...(Eminem) hahaha

03-18-2004, 05:48 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Rex:
P.J. is new to nudism, but he's come to the right place to learn a few things, and I bet he's both a thinker, and a fast learner. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Possibly, but his post was not of the inquiry style. It was a challenging style statement. Very similar to that used by trolls.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>
Trailscout has deep religious convictions, which I respect, whilst not necessarily agreeing with all of them.
Sometimes Trailscout will speak from the point of view of his religious conviction, without actually saying that is what has framed his opinion.
I don't think he is telling anyone what they MUST do, or believe, I think he is inviting us to consider something from his point of view.
Please excuse me for speaking for you on this, Trailscout. Just let me know, if I've spoken out of turn. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I have seen Trailscout equate what he believes is wrong as a moral wrong. See similar threads on piercing etc.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>
Originally posted by Oldman:

"Yes, they do fade, although the modern inks don't seem to fade as quickly as the older inks did."

I had the swallow on the back of my right hand done in 1953, at a table in the corner of a waterfront bar called the Cafe Norge, in the port city of Arhus, Denmark, by a man named Tattoo Peter.
After all these years, it's still clearly defined.
I had no idea that the very informal Tattoo Peter was using such advanced technology! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>But is it still as bright and colourful as when first done. Many older tattoos still have good edges but the colour has faded to the point that they are hard to see.

Of course, you may have been lucky. I have seen many WWII and Korean era tattoos that have faded until only the blacks and blues are still visible.

fred950

03-18-2004, 04:39 PM

Can we please move on? If a person choses to decorate his or her body, SO BE IT! Does not the Lord's Prayer mention "Forgive our tresspasses AS WE forgive those who tresspass against us"? An extenion of that could be "Judge us as we judge others".
Having said that, not all tatoos are for decoration. My late father had a series of dots tatooed in his pelvic area. That was so the Radiology technician could aim his machine to treat my dad's prostrate cancer. Furthermore, about twenty-five years ago, I worked with a married couple with semi-matching tatoos on their forearms...courtesy of their local Concentration Camp guards.

Trailscout

03-18-2004, 05:15 PM

Of course I don't believe tattoos are sinful! What I am asking you to consider is the concept of respect for the beauty of human skin. From an artistic standpoint, nothing can match the subtle gradations in color and texture, the uninterrupted contours of bare skin. I am an amateur photographer and I would not consider a tattooed person for a model for the reasons given.

Would I consider a tattooed person for a friend! Of course! My own mother delights in having countless temporary tatooos in the summer months and she is welcome to amuse herself that way. I really don't care.

Rex

03-18-2004, 07:01 PM

"But is it still as bright and colourful as when first done."

Probably not, Oldman.

But then, I'm not, regrettably, quite like I was in 1953, either.

[Hey, I've just realised you spell "colourful" like the British and Australians, not like your Southern neighbours. Or should I say "neighbors"?]

03-18-2004, 07:06 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Rex:
"But is it still as bright and colourful as when first done."

Probably not, Oldman.

But then, I'm not, regrettably, quite like I was in 1953, either.

[Hey, I've just realised you spell "colourful" like the British and Australians, not like your Southern neighbours. Or should I say "neighbors"?] <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

03-18-2004, 07:10 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>
Hey, I've just realised you spell "colourful" like the British and Australians, not like your Southern neighbours. Or should I say "neighbors"?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Canada has always used the British spelling. At least when I went to school /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Based on what I see written by kids lately, I think that anything goes these days.

03-18-2004, 07:16 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
Of course I don't believe tattoos are sinful! What I am asking you to consider is the concept of respect for the beauty of human skin. From an artistic standpoint, nothing can match the subtle gradations in color and texture, the uninterrupted contours of bare skin. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>In your opinion. OTOH, I have seen many professional photo essays that feature tattooed persons, quite artistic. You might also consider that the only opinion that matters is that of the person who decides to get a tattoo.

Trailscout

03-18-2004, 07:37 PM

I do not doubt that some tattoos are incredible works of art and worthy of inclusion in a fine book.

I still stubbornly insist that I have seen nothing more fascinating or beautiful through my lens than the skin of humanity.

03-18-2004, 09:01 PM

As I said. That is your opinion. Others see differently. Isn't it wonderful that there is a diversity of opinion. The world would be a boring place if everyone held the same opinion as each other.

flash

03-19-2004, 02:14 AM

im a big fan of tattooing and piercing..both are great and up to each individual. i have been getting tattooed for around 10 years now. i have both arms sleeved, my chest to my belly is done, my right leg and one on my back. tattoo the world !! lol

thats my story and im stickin to it

later shane

www.shanegentry.com (http://www.shanegentry.com)

Croydon

03-19-2004, 02:16 PM

I saw your tattoos in a picture shane, it's really awesome.

sawdust

03-19-2004, 03:07 PM

Hi Everyone,
A tattoo is an extreem form of personal expression. Nothing more! I also agree that I have seen some that artisticly are really somthing else. I am reminded though of an old epasode from MASH where Radar O'Riley wants to get a tattoo while on R&R to show that he is a "real man." He seeks the advise of his two friends Hawkeye and BJ as to what kind of tattoo would make the statement he is looking for. BJ's answer is why I would personally never get a tattoo. He said, "Why would you ever what to hang a picture on your body that you would never think to keep permently on your wall?" And that is just the problem, as I see it. People change, situations and fads change and skin conditions change. The curse of a tattooed guy is that he gets older, the tattoo starts to fade and blur, his skin sags a bit, he develops vericose vains in the middle of his tattoo and he leaves one woman for another and still has his old girlfriends name on his body. Your better off getting a picture copy of the tattoo you like to hang on your wall. When things change, and they will, you can always put the picture in a garage sale. Try that with a body tattoo! Sawdust

NoodJuggler

04-03-2004, 07:12 PM

I think I am going to get me a tattoo..Don't know where I will put it yet? Any suggestion? Just a small one for about $40.00 Something nice and exciting. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Then have the lower part of my navel pierced to match the top one. /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Then when they heal I can put a ring thru both piercing. Or put a 10penny nail thru them. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Cheers..NoodJuggler.

HereticChick

04-04-2004, 05:49 PM

How about a tattoo around your belly button? That would look cool! Check out Atomic Tattoo...they did mine and I love it! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

NoodJuggler

04-04-2004, 08:21 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by HereticChick:
How about a tattoo around your belly button? That would look cool! Check out Atomic Tattoo...they did mine and I love it! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Hey there..Can you post a picture of it? I would like to see what they did. If I like it then I might get something like it..Going to check them out..I am thinking about going to "Cage Tatoo" at 10387 Gandy blvd. on the northside just before you get to Derby Lane, seem like a clean place. Cheers..NoodJuggler.

drewbe

04-05-2004, 03:11 AM

I got a dragon tattooed on my back last year after 10 years of looking for the right design. It was done at a time were i had successfully changed careers and there has never been a day go by that i regretted getting it done.

Why make such a big deal about what others choose to do to their bodies? Just because i have a tat doesn't mean i am a worse or better naturist than you, its how one lives their life that really matters....

Naturally

Drew

Duneman

04-05-2004, 04:00 AM

Just be careful where you have your tattoo? A friend of ours had a strawberry tattooed on her upper breast. Now 20 yrs later, body parts have sagged, now she says it looks like a carrot!?!

Duneman

Rex

04-05-2004, 07:33 AM

That's what's known as "dangling the carrot"!

HedonistEMT

04-05-2004, 08:31 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by NoodJuggler.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by HereticChick:
How about a tattoo around your belly button? That would look cool! Check out Atomic Tattoo...they did mine and I love it! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Hey there..Can you post a picture of it? I would like to see what they did. If I like it then I might get something like it..Going to check them out..I am thinking about going to "Cage Tatoo" at 10387 Gandy blvd. on the northside just before you get to Derby Lane, seem like a clean place. Cheers..NoodJuggler. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well, I don't have one around my belly button, but I have one on my back. I didn't quite clarify that right. Sorry! I did find one on a man that I've posted. I think it looks AWESOME...(tattoo, that is) /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Atomic Tattoo has a website with their artwork on it. Each artist has a portfolio online. I chose them because of their artwork and their cleanliness. I'm in the medical biz, so cleanliness was VERY important! Good luck in your hunt! /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif male tattoo (http://www.alteredbody.com/mal_tat/male_tattoo01.jpg)

MikeJB

04-05-2004, 06:26 PM

I just dont think tatoos or peircings are natural and they show a lack of respect for your body and its beauty. I think that people seem to look down on alot of people who have tatoos, especially if they have alot or they cover some body parts completely, thats just gross and way excessive and its just not a good thing to do. I mean if its just one or two and are really small and simple then yeah thatd be okay but anything more would just be a bit elaborate and show disrespect for yourself. Peircings are just downright painful, unhealthy and just disgusting. Earings are about the only kind I could see as reasonable.

NoodJuggler

04-05-2004, 06:51 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> I just dont think tatoos or peircings are natural and they show a lack of respect for your body and its beauty. By MikeJB... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Neither is Using Drugs or Smoking or having Abortions, or using Turkey Basters, to name a few, but I don't hear much said about those. Cheers..NoodJuggler

David77

04-05-2004, 10:40 PM

I clicked onto the above words, "Male Tattoo" and was very distressed by what I saw; a beautiful, holy and healthy looking young body in it's prime, but which was unfortunately defaced with graffiti over it! What a pity.

I am not saying that the owner of this very good body was evil, but, to me (but, hopelessly, not to some others), it suggests disrespect and non-acceptance of the supremacy of the beauty, sanctity and holy esteem of his natural body, and without any ink markings over it.

MikeJB

04-05-2004, 10:44 PM

Drugs, smoking and having abortions are very dangerous, unhealthy and wrong as well. I guess you guys advocate people using and doing these things too, guess we dont wanna be closed minded or intolerant now /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Zorro

04-06-2004, 12:23 AM

For those who have piercings and/or tattoos, cool. I have neither, and don't particularly want any, but that's just me. To each their own.

brax

04-06-2004, 03:58 AM

Ive got two tattoos and I dont consider them disfiguring at all, in fact many people comment on how good they look. I took the designs from my travels abroad (aztec symbol from Mexico and aboriginal animal design from Australia) so both hold personal memories of great times which I am reminded of when i see them.

flbound

04-06-2004, 04:45 AM

I had previously posted a reply to a thread about the anti-piercing law in Georgia. I referenced the constitutionality of a law that makes piercing of female genital's illegal. What about male genitals? Does anybody know if that law was actually passed? The thread disappeared. I know not why.

I also mentioned that Cypress Cove resort has in their rules "no genital jewelry." I asked also if anyone had information on other nudist resorts and their position on wearing of genital jewelry.

Nudeinbama

04-06-2004, 05:11 AM

I may be wrong,and if anyone knows different,please post it,but if I'm remembering right,Paradise Lakes and Paradise Valley,used to be Hidden Valley, also have rules against genital peircings. Though it has been a ccouple years since I've been to either resort.

Tiny

04-06-2004, 05:41 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by MikeJB:
Drugs, smoking and having abortions are very dangerous, unhealthy and wrong as well. I guess you guys advocate people using and doing these things too, guess we dont wanna be closed minded or intolerant now /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Mike, I think you missed the point of NoodJuggler's post. What he was saying was that it could be said that using drugs, smoking and having abortions are not natural and that they show a "lack of respect for your body and its beauty." But that he notices nobody is making an issue out of them. He didn't say he or anyone on this forum was condoning them, just they don't seem to be as hot an issue as tattoos.

Tiny

shãybare

04-06-2004, 06:41 AM

Croydon

04-06-2004, 07:10 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by NoodJuggler.:
I think I am going to get me a tattoo..Don't know where I will put it yet? Any suggestion? Just a small one for about $40.00 Something nice and exciting. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Then have the lower part of my navel pierced to match the top one. /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Then when they heal I can put a ring thru both piercing. Or put a 10penny nail thru them. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Cheers..NoodJuggler. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Go for it Nood. I have 3 piercings and enjoy them all, I plan on getting two more. I don't regret them at all. I have one tattoo too that I got when I was 17. I love it and plan on getting a new one in near future. Just make sure you do your research to find the right design.

Croydon

04-06-2004, 07:55 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Tiny:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by MikeJB:
Drugs, smoking and having abortions are very dangerous, unhealthy and wrong as well. I guess you guys advocate people using and doing these things too, guess we dont wanna be closed minded or intolerant now /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Mike, I think you missed the point of NoodJuggler's post. What he was saying was that it could be said that using drugs, smoking and having abortions are not natural and that they show a "lack of respect for your body and its beauty." But that he notices nobody is making an issue out of them. He didn't say he or anyone on this forum was condoning them, just they don't seem to be as hot an issue as tattoos.

Tiny <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Don't worry Tiny, he misses a lot of points of people's messages

Trailscout

04-06-2004, 08:39 AM

Maybe we don't have heated debates pro and con on drug abuse because we all agree that taking too many drugs is not a good idea.

Maybe tattoos are controversial here because a fair number of people on this forum have tattoos and a good number of people feel strongly enough against tattoos that a lively debate ensues.

Mike does say some controversial things in a blunt manner, but when he is slammed with four or five long critiques, it is a bit much to expect him to respond ad infinitum to each comment, particularly those comments that are merely perjorative. (Though Mike certainly has attempted a point-by-point rebuttal of all arguments).

If you were to ask me the hypothetical question, "Why are you such an idiot?", I might not dignify such a remark with a reply. Mike may be taking that approach to the most strident outbursts.

04-06-2004, 09:32 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
Mike does say some controversial things in a blunt manner, but when he is slammed with four or five long critiques, it is a bit much to expect him to respond ad infinitum to each comment, particularly those comments that are merely perjorative. (Though Mike certainly has attempted a point-by-point rebuttal of all arguments).

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The problem with Mike's rebuttals is that they consist of assertions of his previous assertions.

He seldom, if ever, provides proof of his assertions.

Saying, "I don't like A, because I don't like A" does not provide any substance to why he doesn't like A.

He also has a habit of ignoring facts and evidence that are presented to him, and then claiming that nothing has been shown to him.

Croydon

04-06-2004, 04:52 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:

Mike does say some controversial things in a blunt manner, but when he is slammed with four or five long critiques, it is a bit much to expect him to respond ad infinitum to each comment, particularly those comments that are merely perjorative. (Though Mike certainly has attempted a point-by-point rebuttal of all arguments).

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Does he say controversial things or stupid things?
There's a big difference. He says stupid things that don't make sense and are nonesense. The problem with Mike is that he just says any nonesense that comes out of his a**. Instead of stopping for a moment and THINK THINK THINK about his ideas before he types, Mike just simply spits out whatever pops in his head. The sad part is that it only makes sense to him when rest of the world sees his statements as ridiculous (not to mention the lack of sentence structure).

Nude in the North

04-06-2004, 05:18 PM

Yeah but.........

Steve

04-06-2004, 05:30 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by flbound:
I had previously posted a reply to a thread about the anti-piercing law in Georgia. I referenced the constitutionality of a law that makes piercing of female genital's illegal. What about male genitals? Does anybody know if that law was actually passed? The thread disappeared. I know not why.

I also mentioned that Cypress Cove resort has in their rules "no genital jewelry." I asked also if anyone had information on other nudist resorts and their position on wearing of genital jewelry. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Cypress Cove has been allowing genital jewelry since last summer and so has Paradise Lakes and Valley. Lake Como is now allowing it as well.

04-06-2004, 06:01 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by cyndiann:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by flbound:
I had previously posted a reply to a thread about the anti-piercing law in Georgia. I referenced the constitutionality of a law that makes piercing of female genital's illegal. What about male genitals? Does anybody know if that law was actually passed? The thread disappeared. I know not why.

I also mentioned that Cypress Cove resort has in their rules "no genital jewelry." I asked also if anyone had information on other nudist resorts and their position on wearing of genital jewelry. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Cypress Cove has been allowing genital jewelry since last summer and so has Paradise Lakes and Valley. Lake Como is now allowing it as well. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I forsee the day when most clubs will drop rules against genital jewelry. The ones that will hold out will be the smaller, non-resort type clubs in the bible belt. All clubs are subject to market pressures, and those that are destination points for travelling nudists will change to reflect the consumer market. With piercings and tattoos becoming more common and accepted, the clubs will drop their rules against them in order to avoid the loss of business. If people have to remove jewelry to attend a place, they will go further down the road to where they are accepted.

Trailscout

04-07-2004, 12:54 AM

The solution is simple. If Georgia will annex Florida, at least as far south as Lake Okechobee, our enlightened state would have jurisdiction over these trendy clubs.

To be fair the law should be expanded to include men as well as women in the ban. If people don't know better than to get pierced with metal gizmos, then it is government's duty to assume parental authority, even if it means house to house night searches without a warrant. Until society gets back to normal, we need to take our medicine, cooperate with the authorities and smile, to set a good example.

Rex

04-07-2004, 03:05 AM

Originally posted by Trailscout:

"Until society gets back to normal, we need to take our medicine, cooperate with the authorities and smile, to set a good example."

But don't smile TOO widely, if you've got any gold teeth, because that may be the next thing to attract official displeasure.

04-07-2004, 11:21 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
The solution is simple. If Georgia will annex Florida, at least as far south as Lake Okechobee, our enlightened state would have jurisdiction over these trendy clubs.

To be fair the law should be expanded to include men as well as women in the ban. If people don't know better than to get pierced with metal gizmos, then it is government's duty to assume parental authority, even if it means house to house night searches without a warrant. Until society gets back to normal, we need to take our medicine, cooperate with the authorities and smile, to set a good example. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Of course, and if government decides that nudism should be banned because government feels that it wrong, then you will cheerfully submit.
After all, it is governments duty to assume parental authority.

flbound

04-08-2004, 06:02 AM

Cyndiann--thanks much for the updates on Como, the Cove and Paradise Lakes. In a post on another message board, you mentioned that you gave up membership at Como because of their management problems. My husband and I were considering membership at Como when we relocate to Florida. We visited Como and Cypress Cove 20 years ago and had a wonderful time at both places. We became so disenchanted with rules and regulations at clubs up here in the NY/NJ/MD area--club managers trying to regulate every little aspect of our visits--that we gave up club/resort membership over 20 years ago. For most of the past 20 plus years we have been home nudists. Anyway, can you update me on Como--did they bring their management of the resort into the 21st century, or are they still having problems?

04-08-2004, 07:06 AM

Como has changed. There are different people running it now (that happens when a co-op hold elections). The ones I had dealt with are gone. It is still far from perfect but getting better for sure.

I have rejoined Como as of June of last year and I plan on continuing to be a member.

I just wish they would get their act together on the restaurant. The food isn't all that great and at a recent singles event it took them two hours to serve some of us.

I tell people to look past the management and go meet the members. That is what is precious about Lake Como.

flbound

04-08-2004, 10:26 PM

Cyndiann--thanks again for the info. When we were at Como (again, long time ago) I remember a restaurant that served "family style." Is it still that way?

flbound

04-08-2004, 11:32 PM

Cyndiann-just going over in my mind some awful memories of inept club management and board members. We visited a club some years ago, where the person in charge when we registered told us where we could park our van and set up our tent. We spent several days socializing with and getting to know club members, some of who have since become life-long friends. On the weekend, the president of the board of directors at this club decided that we would be his little victims. He told us that we would have to move our vehicle and our tent, in direct conflict with the manager who told us where to set up. It led to an ugly confrontation.

We were members of a club at one point in our lives where management and their appointed reps used to go around dictating how women should sit on thier lounge chairs (legs had to be closed). I've seen you mention the "penis police," women at this club were subject to the "***** patrol." They even made it a violation for woman to sit at the edge of the pool with their feet in the water. They insisted that women were flashing the male swimmers. Can you even imagine this at a nudist club? When the women refused to comply with their ridiculous rules, they painted the edge of the pool with a compound that contained large grains of sand--very uncomfortable on a naked rear!! We left, relinquished our membership and to this day have never returned.

04-09-2004, 04:37 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by flbound:
Cyndiann--thanks again for the info. When we were at Como (again, long time ago) I remember a restaurant that served "family style." Is it still that way? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Wow! That was a long time ago!

Nope, it's not done like that now. They have a menu for lunch and two or three specials for dinner plus you can still order from the lunch menu. It is the quality of the food that is the issue. It is bland and cheaply made. If you stick with the basics like burgers and salads you will be fine. Then again, you have Paradise and Caliente nearby, both with restaurants. Caliente's prices are way up there though. Both will give you a two hour dinner pass.

04-09-2004, 04:39 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by flbound:
Cyndiann-just going over in my mind some awful memories of inept club management and board members. We visited a club some years ago, where the person in charge when we registered told us where we could park our van and set up our tent. We spent several days socializing with and getting to know club members, some of who have since become life-long friends. On the weekend, the president of the board of directors at this club decided that we would be his little victims. He told us that we would have to move our vehicle and our tent, in direct conflict with the manager who told us where to set up. It led to an ugly confrontation.

We were members of a club at one point in our lives where management and their appointed reps used to go around dictating how women should sit on thier lounge chairs (legs had to be closed). I've seen you mention the "penis police," women at this club were subject to the "***** patrol." They even made it a violation for woman to sit at the edge of the pool with their feet in the water. They insisted that women were flashing the male swimmers. Can you even imagine this at a nudist club? When the women refused to comply with their ridiculous rules, they painted the edge of the pool with a compound that contained large grains of sand--very uncomfortable on a naked rear!! We left, relinquished our membership and to this day have never returned. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It just goes to show that Como really shouldn't be singled out. All clubs have their problems. You just have to find the one with the least amount I guess.

Trailscout

04-09-2004, 07:54 AM

Cyndiann,
Other than forbidding genital jewelry, was there anything else Lake Como was doing that was so odious that you would drop your membership?

(It wasn't feeding an occasional member to the alligators was it?) /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

no tan line

05-01-2004, 12:22 PM

I have a tattoo on my left butt cheek. I got it On a dare. An old gf told she would pay for it if I got one. The woman that put it on wondered
why i wanted it on my buttocks until I pulled down my shorts and she saw my tan butt.
no regrets

05-01-2004, 12:28 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
Cyndiann,
Other than forbidding genital jewelry, was there anything else Lake Como was doing that was so odious that you would drop your membership?

(It wasn't feeding an occasional member to the alligators was it?) /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I didn't drop my membership because they didn't allow genital jewelry.

I dropped it because I had three separate incidents with married or otherwise attached men who didn't know how to act.

Fortunately now there is someone new doing security at Como that I feel would not have ignored what was going on.

Bob S.

05-01-2004, 02:34 PM

"If people don't know better than to get pierced with metal gizmos, then it is government's duty to assume parental authority..."

Trail, please tell me that you are kidding. You can't be serious about that comment, can you? The government should stay out of the private lives of the citizenry for most things. Their job is to keep us safe, not to tell us how we can decorate our bodies.

The irresponsible Virginia legislature recently passed a law that assumed parental authority in where they can choose to send their children and with whom their children can be entrusted. In Ohio (I think) the government has been trying to assume parental authority by banning familial nudity. Austin authorities assumed parental authorities by disallowing parents from bringing their children to a beach. Arkansas denies its populace their first amendment rights because they feel it is important to.

Now off that topic, my recent experiences at White Tail have shown me that you will see an occasional pierced nipple even though they are officially banned. My favorite tattoo that I have seen there is a denim pocket on the butt of a man who lives there with his wife and two daughters.

Bob S.