Why do some nudist resorts...

[Nude_Dude_Runner]

who seek and desire to have everyone accepted as they are, continue to be unwilling to accept me as I am?

As a married man, I cannot go without my spouse, who is not a nudist.

Or I can lie when I get there, which is not what I prefer to do.

Why aren't all people accepted as the individuals that they are?

N_D_R

[Nude_Dude_Runner]

who seek and desire to have everyone accepted as they are, continue to be unwilling to accept me as I am?

As a married man, I cannot go without my spouse, who is not a nudist.

Or I can lie when I get there, which is not what I prefer to do.

Why aren't all people accepted as the individuals that they are?

N_D_R

[gamblefish]

Because to one degree or another we are all hypocrites.

Very true, Gamblefish. Everyone complains about the hypocrisy of others while we are all hypocritical at times ourselves. It's human nature.

This has been my complaint many times. If you're alone, you're not welcome at many nudist places. Many nudists, whether Christian or not, are just as hypocrital as many of the so-called Christians in the world that they complain about.

I suppose the words "family oriented" should tell us something. It really means that ONLY couples are welcomed, and they're even more welcomed if they bring their children.

As I just stated in another post, I found a VERY friendly, accepting place in Cleveland, GA called Serendipity Park. It's run by a single man. If you're ever in the area, check it out. I'm moving there to live this month. /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[Nude_Dude_Runner]

I am not too far from Serendipity Park myself, and the resort I am talking about is now called Paradise Valley, and was formerly Hidden Valley.

Paradise Valley is owned by the large resort in Florida, Paradise Lakes.

I would buy the family oriented if no single people were allowed. But single males can go, if approved first, single females all the time, and married males, only with their spouse.

I can think of no other activity that would discriminate against the married male in this manner? Anyone else think of anything that does?

N_D_R

[Kenny G]

I understand what you're saying, although I can't offer any options either. My wife and I are in a travel club in NE Florida, and many times when we have a club function at a resort or campground I have to go alone because of work schedules. So far I've never had a problem, but the resorts or campgrounds always know in advance that our group is coming and that we have several single members. As I said, SO FAR I haven't had a problem, but every time I go alone I have the possibility of refusal hanging over my head. Admittedly, there aren't many wives that are secure enough to let thier husbands go to a nudist resort alone, and that may be why we're shunned because of "a few bad apples". /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[wannabenaked2001]

I think some resorts have this policy about married men w/o their wives is not only because they fear the guys may be there for the wrong reason, but also that the wives are not aware he is going or otherwise disapproves, and they don't want to be a part of marital dispute or even get involved in a divorce.

Just a theory. /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[Bob S.]

I think wannabe has the right idea. Nudist parks do not want to become involved in divorces, especially custody battles. Therefore, most of them do not allow unaccompanied married men or women to visit (unless possibly they are members or have a letter from their spouse saying they are allowing it). This may be the same with divorced parents in bringing their children to the park. They may need to have a letter of acceptance from the other parent.

So don't think of it as hypocritical or suspect, but mainly as a protection against liability.

Bob S.

[j4king]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bob S.:
[QB]So don't think of it as hypocritical or suspect, but mainly as a protection against liability.QB] <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>How can they be held liable for a man lying to his wife about going to a nudist park (or not telling her)??

[FireProf]

When I attempted to visit a nude camp ground/resort near home and my wife did not want to try social nudism yet, the people in the front office asked if I was married. I said no. Yes I lied. I had my reasons, I was there to scope the place out like I did the beach and other venues before my wife went along.

I was interviewed and told by the management that they didn't let married males in without their wives or without their knowledge because they, "the club", did not want to be placed in the middle of a divorce settlement. Meaning that the club would rather stay away from any potential publicity regarding a divorce and a nude club.

By the way, I did tour the facility. Funny after the manager found out what I did for a living, her attitude changed and she suddenly became friendly. /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[nordictoad]

These are interesting posts. I have not been to a resort, only beaches, so I am only going by "gut feeling". It is interesting that the clubs/resorts are sooo paranoid about married men going solo but not married women. Are we to believe that only men "cheat". We ALL know this is a FALSE statement. Last time I checked it took TWO people to cheat. Why is it that the club feel that they need to "police" their clients. Liability? Bad Press? Prudish? Discrimination? I am confused.

If we are all "accepting" of each other and we all behave as humans and therefore respect each others space and boundaries, why the constraints? I strongly feel that those that do not respect the others at the beach/club/resort need to be asked to leave.

What is the status of singles? Do the resorts discriminate against single men? What about single women? If I bring my son, who I have joint legal and physical custody, am I "allowed" or not. Does this mean we are a "family"? Do I need his Mothers permission? Once again WHY? I can legally take him ANYWHERE. The words that keeps coming to mind are discrimination and sexism.

I am done, thanks for listening and I would LOVE to hear other members feelings.

[Nude_Dude_Runner]

All I want is them to accept me as I am.

Nothing more. Nothing less.

N_D_R

[Bob S.]

OK, so liability was not the exact word to use. What I meant was that they do not want to be in the middle of a divorce. If one spouse goes to a nudist park and the other finds that so objectionable that he or she files for divorce, then the nudist park may be drawn into the court battle in determining who gets what, expacially if the non-nudist spouse claims marital infidelity while the nudist spouse was attending the park. And that situation gets worse when children are part of the equation.

So, nordictoad, their decision has nothing to do with prejudging the intentions of the married spouse, but rather with distancing themselves from that *****ly situation.

As for the singles issue, many clubs have decided upon a quota or ratio system so that the gender balance is not ever too much in one direction. At White Tail Park for instance, I believe it is a 60-40 balance where one gender cannot have over 60% nor under 40% of the total number of adults in attendance. The reason why it seems that single males are discriminated against more often is that single males make up so many of the nudists and vastly outnumber the number of single females, therefore they are turned away at a much higher percentage of times than single women, who are rarely turned away.

To answer your hypothetical question of whether you could bring your son to a nudist park, my answer would be a cautious yes, although you would probably have to present paperwork suggesting that his mother has allowed this visit. I am not sure as I have never asked nor have I encountered this subject except in the hypothetical realm. I know that in some custody battles, there are certain restrictions that one parent can place on another concerning where they can bring thier child. And nudist venues fall under those auspices.

Just curious if anyone knows this, but are there any states where nudism is considered a lifestyle choice recognized by the courts and cannot be grounds for limiting custody of the nudist parent?

Bob S.

[fred950]

As far as the "couples Only" clubs out there, do they mean if Larry and Jerry (most deffinatly a "couple") decide to go that they WILL have to be admitted?

[wannabenaked2001]

I wonder if some clubs that discriminate against "solo males" are not defeating themselves. I understand that women need to feel comfortable in a nudist environment, thus the quota, but also (and I'm reaching here) I wonder how many of the women IN the nudist environment are here due to a male influnence, or should I say single males or married males bringing their girlfriends/wives in to the enviornment. /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[Qwertie]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nordictoad:
I have not been to a resort, only beaches, so I am only going by "gut feeling".

...(snip)...

Once again WHY? I can legally take him ANYWHERE. The words that keeps coming to mind are discrimination and sexism.

I am done, thanks for listening and I would LOVE to hear other members feelings. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I haven't been to any resorts either, but have heard about rules like that and I also feel confused and disturbed. Some have made sensible arguments about why it is the way it is, but it still feels wrong to me.

(Side note. As a male I wonder why more females don't become naturist... I think even women agree that the female form is the more beautiful, so why fear letting it be seen?)

It reminds me of car insurance here in Alberta, where to insure a young male could cost $1000 (ballpark) more per year than insuring a female. Yet in the (large) family I grew up with, all accidents have been minor and there have been more caused by the girls.

Stupid descrimination based on statistics, I guess.