Nudism accepts everyone of color race?

[Backyardswimmer]

I have heard somewhere this and just wondering if it's true that nudists, accept anyone that is a different color, race, nationality, etc.I think that nudism is the cure to racism and prejudice, is it true?Nudists should be able to accept people no matter what there physcial apperence is like overwieght, fat, old young, black, grey, pink,green etc so it's about body acceptance, also anything.

[Backyardswimmer]

I have heard somewhere this and just wondering if it's true that nudists, accept anyone that is a different color, race, nationality, etc.I think that nudism is the cure to racism and prejudice, is it true?Nudists should be able to accept people no matter what there physcial apperence is like overwieght, fat, old young, black, grey, pink,green etc so it's about body acceptance, also anything.

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Backyardswimmer:
I have heard somewhere this and just wondering if it's true that nudists, accept anyone that is a different color, race, nationality, etc.I think that nudism is the cure to racism and prejudice, is it true?Nudists should be able to accept people no matter what there physcial apperence is like overwieght, fat, old young, black, grey, pink,green etc so it's about body acceptance, also anything. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nudists are people just like everyone else, you will find all kinds, including some with nasty prejudices.

But ...

Nudists are in my estimation a bit more open minded and egalitarian.

I doubt that nudism does much to counteract racism or other prejudices, rather I suspect such people are less likely to become nudists.

-Mark

[nakedjohn]

Nude or dressed, people should always accept color of race.

[tinner666]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Nudists are people just like everyone else, you will find all kinds, including some with nasty prejudices.

But ...

Nudists are in my estimation a bit more open minded and egalitarian.

I doubt that nudism does much to counteract racism or other prejudices, rather I suspect such people are less likely to become nudists.

-Mark </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



Darn.. Wish I had said that. I inherently know stuff like that, but I just cannot, for the life of me, convey such thoughts. That's why so many of my posts seem a bit ambiquous... http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/confused.gif http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/blush.gif

[naturalmanwa]

I have seen all shapes and sizes and races of people at the nude beaches I have been to and have no problem with it. As long as a person behaves, they should be able to be naked and enjoy themselves with everyone else.

[David77]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I inherently know stuff like that, but I just cannot, for the life of me, convey such thoughts. That's why so many of my posts seem a bit ambiquous... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Tinner, - Frank,
You do a wonderful job at expressing your thoughts. I enjoy reading your posts. They are very refreshing and honest.

[luvnaturism]

Mark hit the nail right on the head. I agree that people who are severely handicapped by prejudice likely have other unreasonable views that tend to prevent them from joining naturist fun. People come to naturism from a broad spectrum of humanity, so it's never going to be a perfect scene; however the nude places that I've been always seem to be open to people of other races, of all body types, and of various opinions.

I also second what David said to Frank.

[tinner666]

Well thank you David. You just made my day! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/beam.gif
I agree with the honest part, but not the "wonderful job at expressing your thoughts". http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/confused.gif

By the time I finish typing or even speaking one sentence, I've usually lost my train of thought. My mind is tooooo busy skipping from idea to idea or nothing to nothing to ( lost my train again here! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/blush.gif), to really express what I want. I can have aclear thought, but by time I write it, I'm thinking of something else entirely. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/blush.gif

Guess I'm full of 'brain farts', and hot air. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/confused.gif

[Backyardswimmer]

SInce nudists see the inside from a person, that should include that overweight, fat, people of different, colors, races, reigion, should not be a problem there just like us on the inside, not to judge on the outside.I think that nudism would stop the nasty prejudice, racism, hate towards gays, etc..

[Backyardswimmer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Naturist Mark:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Backyardswimmer:
I have heard somewhere this and just wondering if it's true that nudists, accept anyone that is a different color, race, nationality, etc.I think that nudism is the cure to racism and prejudice, is it true?Nudists should be able to accept people no matter what there physcial apperence is like overwieght, fat, old young, black, grey, pink,green etc so it's about body acceptance, also anything. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nudists are people just like everyone else, you will find all kinds, including some with nasty prejudices.

But ...

Nudists are in my estimation a bit more open minded and egalitarian.

I doubt that nudism does much to counteract racism or other prejudices, rather I suspect such people are less likely to become nudists.

-Mark </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So your saying that like you won't or anyone won't find a nudist that is like a skin head, white supreimist, kkk, neo nazi, and all the BS prejudice?

[Fuzzy Nuts]

So your saying that like you won't or anyone won't find a nudist that is like a skin head, white supreimist, kkk, neo nazi, and all the BS prejudice?[/QUOTE]

I have been to many nudist resorts and beaches and have never encountered any belonging to those groups. Also I have never noticed any problems related to race. I am sure that some exist but I have never noticed them.

[fredm74]

Backyardswimmer,

if there are skinheads, members of the kkk, neo nazi, etc who enjoy nudism I would assume they are either home nudists or they organize their own nudusts events within their own prejudicial circles. I can't imagine them mingling with other nudists that are black, chinese, mixed race, gay, other religion in a more mainstream nudist resort or nude beaches across the USA.

-Fred http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

So your saying that like you won't or anyone won't find a nudist that is like a skin head, white supreimist, kkk, neo nazi, and all the BS prejudice?[/QUOTE]

[kphoger]

i've read elsewhere that nudism in america is represented by very few people of color. is that true?

of course, that has nothing to do with how well people of color are *accepted*, but a person might still feel out of place if he were the only non-white at a place.

[alfredr]

Pink and green are some of my favorites.

One of my wife's excuses is that she is afraid she'll be the only Latina/person of color at a resort and that everyone will be looking at her. But she also used that excuse for not accompanying me to my boss's birthday party a couple of weeks ago.

One of many.

[shãybare]

http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/cool4.gif
People are products of many factors and, while we nudists try to be more open, we will always suffer from being human.

Just being a nudist doesn't inherently mean we are all understanding of others that are different than who we are as an individual.

I also think nudists are more open. It would be nice if everyone was "perfect" but we are still apart of the world with all its shortcomings.

[nudeM]

I'm sure there is a little bit of prejudice in all of us, either clothed or naked. It's just the way those prejuduces are handled. Some are handled to the extreme, which is not tolerated and some are not even noticed outwardly.

But I do believe, that as nudists, we are more tolerant of different races than clothed individuals because we share the same interests, i.e. nudism. We have nothing to hide and everything is out in to open. The 'stress factor' is reduced, or almost null, due to lack of clothing (at least for me).

It is true, that at nude beaches, there are all types of 'colors' and shapes. For the most part, several are in friendly conversations with others, while some are kept to themselves.

I agree that as nudists, we are more accepting of different races and characters as opposed to textiles, especially in a social setting. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/smoking.gif

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">So your saying that like you won't or anyone won't find a nudist that is like a skin head, white supreimist, kkk, neo nazi, and all the BS prejudice? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's possible to find just about anything among nudists, good and bad. We aren't monolithic, we come from all walks of life.

I've met a few people who turned out to be badly racist. It's rare, and thankfully they found no support for their prejudice in the clubs. I imagine the 'softer' form of racism where the person is careful not to let on is quite a bit more common. Just like life outside of nudism.

In the past it was not uncommon for nudist resorts to be restricted - an illegal practice now. It was a sign of the times. If nudists are ahead of the times with respect to openess and tolerance - which I think we are - it is only a half step. We are not separate from the society around us. No one can guarantee you won't meet an unpleasant person in nudism, or at Wal-Mart, or at Church.

-Mark

[Backyardswimmer]

I'm decendent of eastern, central, & southern europe :caucasian".I have best friends one that is african american, asian/japanese foreign exchanged stutdent, also a Nigerian born friend, there good, I judge from the inside.People who have a problem of other poeple of different races or skin color have a problem in there head.I can see there characteristics and the intellegence of difference races, sex orientation, color, religion etc.I just like don't like racist people that like say racial slurs or anything that they have aginist others... http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

[stomper69]

nudeM,good way to put it,seeing how I couldn't have said it better myself,I'm not going to try.

[RalphVa]

I've always felt more comfortable among nudists (of any color/race) than with any other group that I've been with (well, us gardeners come close). I feel that nudists are, as a group, a more honest, caring group than my own fellow Christians. Many Christians seem to be holding something back. They're hypocrits, in effect. Whereas, most nudists are very honest and forth-coming.

Now, if I could only get together with a group of nudist Christian gardeners. They can be any color whatsoever, even crippled, missing breasts, etc. They'd all get a hug.

[nacktman]

Simply put ...

Nudism does accept everyone regardless of, (whatever you care to insert here), it is a philosophy, lifestyle, etc., therefore "accepts" all who accept it.

Nudists do not always accept everyone regardless of, (whatever you care to insert here), they are human, therefore "imperfect" in their reasoning which can impair their accepting of anything.

Others have noted this and the perception that Nudists do tend to be more open and forthright. This perception is most likely 'hard fact' but no imperical data has been established thus far to make 'it' so.

[oskimal]

Good summary, Nacktman!
Yes, nudism is based on the acceptance of everybody, regardless the colour of their skin, religious believes, sexual orientation... But the truth is that it is, as many other human groups, a synthesis of society. Thus, even though we are more open-minded that many other groups, one can find some prejudiced people amongst us. It's a pity, but it's true.

[Big-Thinker]

I agree with Mark, that you'll find all types of nudists, however, I'd say nudists are more accepting of others, in general. There's a wacko or two in every crowd, but anyone racist in a nudist group would be shunned and very unpopular, I would think. As a minority, you at least have the now-dominant racial-acceptance attitude on your side. Every time I think racism is finally gone, I am shocked to run into some cowardly, week, pathetic person who maintains a racist attitude. Unfortunately they'll probably never go away entirely, just like there will always be lingering losers of other types. But they can't get away with much nowadays and should be ignored or reported, if possible.

To get to the original question, I think it's accurate to say that nudism, as a generally agreed-on philosohy, does not discriminate against "different color, race, nationality", but in fact appreciates and encourages diversity. I don't see how a nudist could be prejudice when nudists are discriminated against themselves. How can we expect toleration, if we do not tolerate ourselves?

And on appearance, I would say most nudists would agree that we should not judge people on looks, weight, etc.. Sure we're all human, and some will judge to some degree, but it should be a nudist ideal to not judge, but to be accepting of all body types.

[Randi Pearson]

Nudism does not accept everyone. It doesn't
accept us pre-op transsexual women to be able
to allow us in the camps in the Midwest.
Just my experience.

[nacktman]

Randi, please refer to my post above. Nudism accepts all who accept it.
Nudists, however are another kettle of fish all together, subject to bias, etc., yadda yadda yadda and so forth.

Your experiences in the Midwest, though not unique, are nearly so. Your 'status' in the social order is not as clear as some would like, and as I am sure you are aware of, that which confuses some, scares some ... it's a human frailty. I hope your experiences post-op will be of a more pleasent nature.

[Bob S.]

I like how nacktman is saying it. Kind of like a specific religion accepts all who believe in it, but the houses of worship and individual believers are going to be the ones who decide whether they accept you or not.

There is nothing in the nudist ideals about discrimination. However, the fact that we are a small community leads to a greater acceptance of all, except those who cannot be a supportive member or those who are a negative influence.

Bob S.

[tinner666]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Randi Pearson:
Nudism does not accept everyone. It doesn't
accept us pre-op transsexual women to be able
to allow us in the camps in the Midwest.
Just my experience. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Did you come to WTR last year? I recall that somebody like that came in. He/she didn't stay, but I don't belive He/she was turned away. I know it does provoke a curiousity factor.

[Agde]

Naturism as a movement has roots in Europe as a reaction to certain cultural traumas and now as an international movement it of course faces different issues in different countries and cultures. But naturism's core emphasis on interpersonal respect, equality and body acceptance doesn't leave much room for prejudice anywhere. Any disrespect of any kind in our club would result in prompt action. Overall, people who become nudists already need to be more sophisticated about social interactions since, being stripped of all the protective layers down to just our bodies, we depend on each other's essential goodness. It may sound a bit corny, but it's important! The nudist lifestyle has to exemplify mutual respect. If we are in an environment where we worry about being assaulted or insulted, how in the world can we feel comfortable enough to nap naked by the pool?

[shãybare]

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Not corny at all, Agde. Well put and well written. All the nudist people I associate with seem very tolerant of others. Accepting everyone at face value until proven otherwise.

[fred950]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by alfredr:
Pink and green are some of my favorites.

One of my wife's excuses is that she is afraid she'll be the only Latina/person of color at a resort and that everyone will be looking at her. But she also used that excuse for not accompanying me to my boss's birthday party a couple of weeks ago.

One of many. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Al, when we met last summer, I noticed that your wife seemed to be on the 'shy' side. I just chaulked that up to not being a nudist at heart. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Nudony]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">One of my wife's excuses is that she is afraid she'll be the only Latina/person of color at a resort and that everyone will be looking at her. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is not that far-fetched. My wife (african-american) has always been the ONLY african-american woman at any given resort we've visited. She has always been well-received, but it is also true that she has always attracted much attention (which she didn't necassrily want). It is quite natural that other nudists would be intrigued by a relatively rare event; but it can be a bit off-putting to the "recipient."

[nacktman]

Nudony, not to bang a one note drumbeat, but refer to my original post.

You and your wife probally attract attention anywhere -- "mixed" (gad I hate that term) couples tend to, we being human and all. Although, the 'horror' of the idea of different skin tones actually having a relationship is fading it is still there, more's the pity.

But, I agree with you that too much attention can be a royal pain in the arse at times.