Great Day for America

[nacktman]

Karl Rove is resigning!

The Strawman house continues to blow away in the wind.

[usmc1]

It's gonna be like rats diving off the Dutchman.

One does wonder what the little lunatic will do without his brain. And one also wonders what this signals about Iran. Did Cheney/Rove lose their effort to get Bush to bomb Iran? Or is Rove on his way to Paraguay to pave the way for the post impeachment escape?

[texasjoe]

Rove is resingning and soon! What really happened to cause this change in his thinking?

I believe Rove has school age children. I suspect Rove will be back. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/no.gif

[jon71]

Good riddance. Unfortunately I don't think it'll have a lot of impact. He'll be replaced by someone far to like him and he'll just get money for nothing in the private sector (Haliburton, Heritage society, or something in that vein).

[Naturist Mark]

Karl is leaving government service in order to spend time with his family (snicker), that is now that his only child is away a college, and he no longer has Jeff Guckert/Gannon making regular 'visits' to the White House.

Karl will spend his time cashing in. He'll get some sinecure at a right wing foundation, and he'll spend his time writing his version of the Bush White House years - pre-emptively spinning history.

As for his legacy: caustic politics where nothing is off limits and there is no such thing as going too far. The style of campaign engagement that ignores policy and appeals solely to wedge issues and the politics of destruction. In particular every dirty campaign from now on will employ his tactic of attacking your opponent's strengths rather than weaknesses - thus the relentless disparagement of Al Gore's honesty and John Kerry's heroic military career.

His legacy in the government is even more important. Thanks to Karl Rove every federal agency, office and program was subverted to politically serving the party in power. The independence of the Justice Department was smashed. The GSA was tasked with helping Republican candidates. The courts became rubber stamps. It is as if the Hatch act never existed and we are running the federal government like Tammany Hall.

Under Rove's stewardship every aspect of governance was calculated upon its usefulness to supporting the party in power, not the general welfare. Even the very shape of reality was molded to fit political expediency - thus NASA scientists had to have their scientific papers edited by a political officer with no scientific training, Global Warming does not exist, AIDS can only be defeated through abstinence, and budgets are balanced by cutting taxes and increasing spending.

Karl Rove's impact will be with us for many years, people will be dying due to his policies for years to come.

-Mark

[tinner666]

So, I guess this good? http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

[nudeM]

posted by Naturist Mark: Karl Rove's impact will be with us for many years, people will be dying due to his policies for years to come. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I don't see how so many people can be so mis-uninformed. Mr. Rove was only an 'advisor' to the President. He did not set or establish policy. He was never given that authority. The Judicial, Executive and Legislative branches of government establish and set policies, not the advisor to the President.

He was in charge of running the Bush Presidential campaigns. Like it or not, he was very good at it. Like other campaign managers, he found a weak spot (on other candidates) and focused on it, something that Mr. Shrum has yet to do.

Sorry, but I had to state that it is not the advisors 'job' to set policies. He merely advises the President and if found to be warranted, then the President will act. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/smoking.gif

[nacktman]

Originally posted by nudeM:
posted by Naturist Mark: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Karl Rove's impact will be with us for many years, people will be dying due to his policies for years to come. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I don't see how so many people can be so mis-uninformed. <span class="ev_code_RED">Mr. Rove was only an 'advisor' to the President. He did not set or establish policy. He was never given that authority. The Judicial, Executive and Legislative branches of government establish and set policies, not the advisor to the President.</span>

He was in charge of running the Bush Presidential campaigns. Like it or not, he was very good at it. Like other campaign managers, he found a weak spot (on other candidates) and focused on it, something that Mr. Shrum has yet to do.

<span class="ev_code_RED">Sorry, but I had to state that it is not the advisors 'job' to set policies. He merely advises the President and if found to be warranted, then the President will act.</span> http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/smoking.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

nudeM that would be true of all "advisors" up to Rove. The playbook was scrapped with the cabal in the government and Rove was a puppeteer to the shrub don't ever think otherwise.

Also, Mark is correct, we will be reeling from and feeling the effects and affects of Rove for decades to come.

usmc1's assertion of a possible Paraguay "mission" is not as far fetched as some would like to think it is, after all Paraguay took in as many if not more Nazis than did Argentina during and after World War Two ... what's to not believe about the possibility of today's Nazis doing the same thing.

[Naturist Mark]

Mr. Rove was only an 'advisor' to the President. He did not set or establish policy. He was never given that authority.
Until earlier this year Karl Rove's titles included 'Senior Policy Advisor' and 'Deputy Chief of Staff'. It is well known that he was closely involved in nearly every decision GWB made - so much so that he was often called "Bush's Brain".

[nimrod]

Reagen had Nancy's astrologer making descisions for him, Bush had Rove. I can hear the scarecrows singing from the <STRIKE>yellow brick</STRIKE>, I mean white house now.

[roadrambler2]

Ask Max Macellen what he thinks of Minister Rove and all the other people whose lives have been tainted by this piece of dog fecal matter!

[nunne]

NudeM - I'm afraid I must agree with Nachtman in his assessment of the role that Rove played in the Bush political arena. Fankly, W is intectually incapable of making decisions of the type required by a President. He has had to rely almost exclusively upon what Rove and Cheney decide.

It is truly sad that a man with Rove's abilities and influence leaves behind such a truly disappointing legacy. But the fact of the matter is that Rove is totally without any sense of morality, and has no character traits that are noteworthy. His sole and only mission was to obtain power. Not for the purpose of using it to accomplish anything of value, but just for the shear use of political power.

I suggest that his legacy, (and ultimately that of George W. Bush) will be one of having done perhaps irreparable harm to this nation, it's traditions, and more importantly, it's ideals, and the values which have set us as a standard for the peoples of this world.

How sad, when you think of all the things that they might have accomplished.

[blackbare6]

Rove leaving the White House is a GOOD day for America. A GREAT day would see him, GWB, and Daddy Dick, all carted off to the Hauge to be tried for crimes against humanity.
Torture? Kidnapping? Suspention of Habeus Coprus? Illegal Wiretapping of U.S. citizens?
These and other High Crimes and Misdemeaners are whatmy father faught AGAINST in W.W.II! When it was the FREE WORLD ( and the Soviet Union ) against the countries where political disent was regarded as un-patriotic and mercilessly supressed.
Mark Twain said it best: " Being a patriot means suporting your country at all times, and your government when it DESERVES it".
Henry

[usmc1]

Originally posted by nimrod:
Reagen had Nancy's astrologer making descisions for him, Bush had Rove. I can hear the scarecrows singing from the <STRIKE>yellow brick</STRIKE>, I mean white house now.

You're certain those aren't those pesky little flying monkeys?

[nacktman]

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[nudebushwalker]

Karl Rove is described internationally as "Bush's Brain".

Despite what the usual conservative apologists are saying in here, Karl Rove is being described as an "architect" of the current admin's policies, and the chief "strategist" behind Bush's electoral campaigns - not merely an "advisor"..

In this morning's paper down here, Rove actually told a reporter (over there) that the thing he is most proud of, is leaving the US on it's current war footing !!!
He seems to think that this is a great position to be in at the beginning of the new century. What does this say about the lack of morals, ethics and intellect, of this pathetic excuse for a member of the human race?

And to think he will be moving on to being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, for his services to the cause..

[nacktman]

Tony Snow is leaving ...

The rats are sure abandoning the ship fast these days! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/rolleyes2.gif

[MJ_KC]

Originally posted by nacktman:
Tony Snow is leaving ...

The rats are sure abandoning the ship fast these days! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/rolleyes2.gif
It is pretty pathetic when a journalist turns around and takes a job that shows so much bias.

Makes me really question their objectivity if they should ever decide to go back to a job in journalism.

[Naturist Mark]

Originally posted by MJ_KC:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nacktman:
Tony Snow is leaving ...

The rats are sure abandoning the ship fast these days! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/rolleyes2.gif
It is pretty pathetic when a journalist turns around and takes a job that shows so much bias.

Makes me really question their objectivity if they should ever decide to go back to a job in journalism. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>LOL

Tony Snow wasn't a journalist, he was an opinion presenter on Fox Newz. He was probably less partisan as White House press secretary than he was at Fox.

BTW, there is nothing wrong with being an opinion presenter, that is what Howard Stern, Rush Limbaugh and everyone at Air America does; they just don't claim to be 'fair and balanced' journalists like Fox Newz does.

[nudebushwalker]

News Ltd (owners of Fox..) also have several similar right-wing propagandists in their publications down here, the most prominent of whom would be Piers Akerman in Sydney, Andrew Bolt in Melbourne, who are often also misrepresented as being proper journalists, and Greg Sheridan, who they call their foreign affairs reporter...

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[usmc1]

Originally posted by nudebushwalker:
News Ltd (owners of Fox..) also have several similar right-wing propagandists in their publications down here, the most prominent of whom would be Piers Akerman in Sydney, Andrew Bolt in Melbourne, who are often also misrepresented as being proper journalists, and Greg Sheridan, who they call their foreign affairs reporter...

http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/confused.gif

Somewhere out there in this wonderful world of ours is a photo-shopped jpg of News Corp's Uber-Fuhrer, Rupert Murdoch, morphed into the Big Brother picture. He now has control of Dow Jones, for whatever you care to make of that!

[Michjoe]

Before Fox News, Tony Snow was a columnist for the Detroit News and was syndicated.

[usmc1]

Originally posted by Michjoe:
Before Fox News, Tony Snow was a columnist for the Detroit News and was syndicated.

Strictly speaking a journalist "covers" the news by going out and gathering stories. A "journalist" in that sense is, or should be, a mere conveyor of events and should have the ability to provide the who, what, when, where and why, with attribution, in 28-words or less without bias or slant.

A "columnist" is an editorial writer who offers interpretation, viewpoint, spin, slant, perspective and opinion amongst other things.

We shouldn't confuse the two. In fact, while some "columnists" have been journalists, many have not, and these would have no clue on how to find city hall, county court or the cop shop (or some cases, their own butt with both hands)...or how to get grieving parents to loan a picture of the dead child, or how to convince the aide that it is time to come clean about the County Commissioner using prisoners to build that lake house of hers.

Whatever journalistic abilities Snow once had, he surrendered down at the 'crossroads". He's become the flack for a sociopath hell bent on bringing about Armageddon.

But as to his early retirement, one suspects that his cancer is the cause and that his future days have become scant. There should be no rejoicing in that.

[newton]

And now we can look forward to what they will do at the Wall Street Journal.

[Michjoe]

I was just providing a little more of his history in the opinion business. No implication that he was a journalist.