Has the price of gasoline put a crimp in your nudist activity? [Archive]

usuallylurk

08-19-2005, 08:52 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tampanude:
note to self: time to clean the keyboard </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I work as a computer professional and have a company-supplied computer. I destroyed a keyboard by accidentally spilling a beer into it...

I brought it back to our IT department - and said "gee whiz, it stopped working." His response as he gave me a new one = "Hmm... smells like Old Milwaukee. And all along I thought you were a Molson Export man..."

FireProf

08-19-2005, 10:17 PM

No, gas prices have not and probably will not crimp our nudist activities.

My wife and I love going to resorts and the beach and will make ends meet someplace else if the need arises to make sure we have the bucks to go to nudist places. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

08-19-2005, 11:08 PM

Some of the answers should say "our/my" instead of just "our", or "we/I" instead of just "we" since some of us are alone. Gas prices have no effect on my enjoyment of living nude.

Paniga

08-20-2005, 03:18 AM

the price of gas in most u.s. still fairly cheap here its at $1.04/liter

Ben_m

08-20-2005, 10:03 AM

No, but it's certainly negatively impacting my budget http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

John Spooner

08-20-2005, 10:18 AM

This will be an interesting exercise in lexicon regards the meaning of gas.
Here in Oz "gas" is called petrol, while gas is short for LPG (liquid propane gas) in regards to fuel.
Currently "gas" (petrol) prices are averaging $1-15 per litre in Oz, and LPG averages around 45 cents per litre. LPG is an alternative fuel here, all taxis and high mileage vehicles run on it, as well as a percentage of private vehicles.
My 4wd dual cab utility runs on LPG and with the significant price difference it is actually cheaper to run my heavy V6 4wd on LPG than it is to run a small 4 cylinder car on petrol.
So there is no reason for me to curtail my trips to our 2 legal nude areas.
Regards. John S.

sliver

08-20-2005, 01:17 PM

I voted "No" because the price of gas is not what determines wheather we go to the club. That's only 40 miles. The price DOES effect how many times I will visit my daughter in college this year. 133 miles.

missouriboy

08-22-2005, 06:45 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">This will be an interesting exercise in lexicon regards the meaning of gas. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>John, our term is just short for "gasoline." When speaking of gas per se, we usually say "LP gas."

"Gas" price increases probably won't affect my nudist activities much, but if they ever encroach on my Beer Budget, there'll have to be some changes made! http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

johny

08-23-2005, 01:32 AM

RE:""nor do we drive up there for an evening swim as we did in the days of $1.20 gasoline""

We have reached the 1,20 USD too the gasoline and diesel price (exact price 95 gasoline 1,09 or 98 gasoline 1,13 or DD - 1,06). For LITER of fuel!!!
While Gas (LPG gas) cost about half (exact 0,51 USD/liter). Yet our salaries, about 80% of job positions has about 200 USD per MONTH!!!, and only 15% has about 600 USD per month. Now calculate where the prices are more brakeable....

However, that was my one scientific exploration theme, the fuel consumption habits per capita is still quickly GROWING trend (about 10-15% annually), so gasoline pricing has formally negative price-consumption slope factor (what means that the consumption factor is ignorant about prices, just people use a car when it is necessary due lack of other choices) - that sharply contradicts the EU fuel taxing police, what has been clearly showing its inconsistence.

But to go just 30 miles one may use a motobike or roller (consumption 2-3 liter) or nearer distances as my case - just 15 km to sea coast - use the bicycle.

KirkOntario

08-23-2005, 04:18 AM

Gasoline is actually cheaper in real dollars today than it was 25 years ago so no it doesn't impact my habits at all.

Naturist Mark

08-23-2005, 05:25 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KirkOntario:
Gasoline is actually cheaper in real dollars today than it was 25 years ago so no it doesn't impact my habits at all. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

25 years ago high oil prices were a major contributor to American economic malaise - remember stagflation (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=stagflation)?

High European and Canadian fuel prices in relation to American prices are almost entirely do to fuel taxes - which in turn fund their infrastucture and social networks. In the US the added money goes to mulitnational corporations - the very same ones who are enjoying record profits and who have just received record tax breaks and new benefits under a new energy bill (http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=100480) they designed.

*****

Will the high price of gas put a crimp in my nudist activity?

Hell yes. I am an at-home nudist, but cannot be nude in my own yard. My outdoor nude activity is always a car drive away. I'm a two hour drive from the resort I am a member of. I'm 30 minutes from the Lake Erie shore. That's a lot of gasoline. I don't have closer alternatives, just the option of reducing my activities.

-Mark

missouriboy

08-23-2005, 05:25 AM

Well, back before this rapid increase began, I planned a 2000 mile trip to visit our daughter for a week, and I'm going anyway.

Right now! See ya next week, everybody. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

KirkOntario

08-23-2005, 07:27 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Naturist Mark25 years ago high oil prices were a major contributor to American economic malaise - remember stagflation (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=stagflation)?

High European and Canadian fuel prices in relation to American prices are almost entirely do to fuel taxes - which in turn fund their infrastucture and social networks. In the US the added money goes to mulitnational corporations - the very same ones who are enjoying record profits and who have just received record tax breaks and new benefits under a new energy bill (http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=100480) they designed.

*****
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Our gas taxes go into our crumbling infrstructure and failing healthcare system? I think I'd rather have a gas tax reduction than what we have. Up until only a few months ago money was never going into infrastructure. Gas taxes are collected federally in Canada and roads and highways are provincial and municpal reponsibilities.

bikerbare

08-24-2005, 09:42 AM

not since I nudified my deck!!

shomymojo

08-24-2005, 11:21 AM

nekkie in my pool at home...no worries http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Cheffred

08-24-2005, 02:52 PM

I figured that a drive for us to Lake Tahoe costs us about $7.00. Use of the beach is free so that isnt to much for a day on the water nude. Going farther and having to pay day use fees might be altered by gas prices. But I won't be going anywhere else until it turns cold then its to Sierraville hot springs.

nudenwv

08-24-2005, 04:54 PM

had to choose somewhat. have been viviting a couple that contacted us via e-mail and have found a closer nudist lodge. with both distance is not a factor. found them both just in the nick of time before gas prices rose.

PascoDoug

08-24-2005, 06:06 PM

Speaking of gasoline.. all you folks in central/southern Florida better run out and get some now!

People are going to start going crazy with a hurricane on our doorstep out in the Atlantic.

I just went and filled up and there are already many pumps with plastic bags over the nozzles. And this is in Tampa Bay! I imagine gas is going to be really hard to find by the weekend.

Don't get stranded! Go get some gas asap just in case.

slo

08-24-2005, 08:55 PM

http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
Dang! Everytime I purchase gas, use to say fill-up, I'm feeling that the dang machince is making me feel "buck naked" but I'm still realizing I'm textile poor. Would like to see a community that realizes we are getting stripped each and everyday and should be getting back to our natural environment and appreciate the local environment.

SLO & enjoying my back yard nudity http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

NakedGary

08-24-2005, 09:49 PM

I would like to have a new Pirus hybrid to run around in, but all of mine are paid for but have huge engines from 350-460 cubic inch engines that get 10-12 miles per gallon, and a airplane that sucks 11 gallons per hour of premium av-fuel at almost $3.60 per gallon.

I use to go out to http://www.lagunadelsol.com several times per week, but now mostly on weekends and events now. 10 min to fly, 30 minutes to drive [43 miles door to door round trip] I don’t have a regular commute, but do make round robin multi-purpose trips to the store, Post office, shopping, and what ever, as many as I can make in one round trip now days.

I think the energy prices have limited my nudist, travel, and vacation activity, but I stay longer per trip, but now with the West Nile virus aerial spraying, and risk, I tend to stay nude at home more than last year.

missouriboy

08-31-2005, 04:41 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by missouriboy:
Well, back before this rapid increase began, I planned a 2000 mile trip to visit our daughter for a week, and I'm going anyway.

Right now! See ya next week, everybody. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Back again, after a really nice family visit. No nudist events, though.

Gasoline cost an average of $2.58. Last year's average was $1.82. The lowest I saw was $2.43, but of course that was shortly after I had just filled up at $2.55.

MJ_KC

08-31-2005, 05:04 AM

The news was just showing a BP/Amoco station in Kansas City, MO with regular unleaded selling for $3.099. I would expect this price spike to cause a lot of people to stay home this weekend instead of traveling.

naturalmanwa

08-31-2005, 05:28 AM

I won't be going far; too expensive. I am among those of us who have a 4x4 with a huge engine and tires but at the moment am not sure what my plans are for it. It is getting the time of year that our summer activities are over anyway. I have a great yard for nude use so I guess I will use it!

johny

08-31-2005, 07:07 AM

Sad to see that human catastrophe with the Orcan in USA brought with it the gas price increase in the Europe. From 60 santimes per liter we get the 68 santimes per liter.

Means pricing increased about for 12% at just few days and seems will grow more at future.

Benedikt

08-31-2005, 07:32 AM

well not really, since I don't own a car, have no driver's license and don't intend to get one.

KirkOntario

08-31-2005, 05:22 PM

Blame your high gas prices on a local environmentalist near you.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/walterwilliams/ww20050831.shtml

"Our true supply problem is of our own doing. Large quantities of oil lie below the 20 million acre Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR). The amount of land proposed for oil drilling is less than 2,000 acres, less than one-half of one percent of ANWR. The U.S. Geological Survey estimates there are about 10 billion barrels of recoverable oil in ANWR. But environmentalists' hold on Congress has prevented us from drilling for it. They've also had success in restricting drilling in the Gulf of Mexico and off the shore of California. Another part of our energy problem has to do with refining capacity. Again, because of environmentalists' successful efforts, it's been 30 years since we've built a new oil refinery."

Dependence on foreign oil because American environmentalists don't want to drill in the USA, particularly the north. Result. Vulnerability to world events and localized disasters.

hm0504

08-31-2005, 05:39 PM

The "large" amount of oil under the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge would last the U.S. six months; the environmental impact (because land taken for drilling is one small part of it) would last for generations. [1]

[1] http://www.guardian.co.uk/oil/story/0,11319,1440750,00.html

KirkOntario

08-31-2005, 05:43 PM

Six months if America didn't have any other sources. But years and years if it is part of a multiple source mixture of domestic and foreign oil. Nice try!

The strategic reserves held by the USA are 700 million barrels of oil: enough for 6 months. The arctic reserves hold as much as 10 BILLION barrels of oil!

nudetone

08-31-2005, 08:24 PM

Even though gas prices at our local gas stations went up twice today-- 14 cents this morning and an additional 10 cents this evening-- I will take an hour ride to Sandy Hook on Friday because I only get to go a handful of times a year. Actually, due to poor weather at the beginning of the summer, it will be my first and last time this year!!!

Naturist Mark

09-01-2005, 05:31 AM

Let's see now.

A barrel of crude oil provides about 47 gallons of refined products (over half of which are gasoline). Crude oil prices are hovering around $70/barrel right now. That's a resource cost of about $1.49/gallon.

At the beginning of December 2004 gasoline was selling locally for $1.45/gallon while crude sold for around $35/barrel. That's a resource cost of $0.74/gallon. The difference between resource cost and pump price is taxes, transportation, refining cost, and profit. In December this difference was 71 cents per gallon (and even back in December of last year the oil companies were enjoying record profit levels). That means it costs 71 cents to produce a gallon of refined petroleum product including a very healthy profit - most of which is a reasonably fixed cost - the cost of refining doesn't go up and down with market prices, taxes are charged per gallon, not on a percentage basis. Domestic transportation is primarily via piplines until the final miles.

In other words, even today the difference betweeen resource cost and pump prices shouldn't exceed the same 71 cents it required 10 month ago. This Thursday morning regular unleaded is selling for $3.08/gallon. That is a difference between pump price and resource cost of $1.60/gallon.

That means that AFTER passing on increased costs, the oil companies are tacking on ADDED 89 cents per gallon of PURE PROFIT.

But wait. That's not all. That extra 89 cents per gallon of windfall profit is only from the refinery to pump stage. The oil companies are also reaping profits from the crude oil prices since they not only refine the oil, they provide the crude.

Too bad all that obscene windfall profit isn't going to rebuild New Orleans and the Gulf Coast.

-Mark

Baron Lake

09-01-2005, 07:19 AM

Lets be fair now Mark, at least a penny or two per gal goes to the retailer.
b.l.

09-01-2005, 07:47 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Naturist Mark:
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Too bad all that obscene windfall profit isn't going to rebuild New Orleans and the Gulf Coast.

-Mark </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah..And some call naturists obscene??? Hopefully the oil companies will use these windfall profits to get the Gulf area back on its feet...

Baron Lake

09-01-2005, 08:39 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KirkOntario:
Six months if America didn't have any other sources. But years and years if it is part of a multiple source mixture of domestic and foreign oil. Nice try!

The strategic reserves held by the USA are 700 million barrels of oil: enough for 6 months. The arctic reserves hold as much as 10 BILLION barrels of oil! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I guess renewable and alternative energy sources are out of the question eh Kirk? Not enough profit for George and Company. Let's see: 10 billion barrels x 47 gal x (say) $1.00 = WOW. Holy nitrous oxide Batman. I wonder if Haliburton has any job openings.
b.l.

hm0504

09-01-2005, 10:32 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KirkOntario:
Six months if America didn't have any other sources. But years and years if it is part of a multiple source mixture of domestic and foreign oil. Nice try!

The strategic reserves held by the USA are 700 million barrels of oil: enough for 6 months. The arctic reserves hold as much as 10 BILLION barrels of oil! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Let's see, alone, the arctic reserves could supply the U.S. for six months but if mixed in with the domestic and foreign sources could last for decades.

I've a great idea! Instead of drilling for oil in its most pristine Arctic national parklands, I could just donate the gas in my lawnmower to the U.S.! Though alone, it would supply the U.S. needs for maybe a fraction of a nanosecond, when mixed in with its other domestic and foreign sources, it too could last for decades (though six months shorter than with the Alaska oil).

need2Bnude

09-01-2005, 10:37 AM

Although my travel is 180 miles away, I still enjoy without worrying about gas prices, It helps to have a small car,
Should gas keep rising, I may not be able to travel as often, Well then again, work has been busy lately, so I haven't been out as often.

Naturist Mark

09-01-2005, 02:54 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Baron Lake:
Lets be fair now Mark, at least a penny or two per gal goes to the retailer.
b.l. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am being fair, the retailer was making a profit prior to the price hikes, they only add a few cents per gallon above their cost. Believe me, they are not the cause of the price increases - their profit isn't part of the extra 89 cents per gallon the oil companies are gouging from us.

By the way, after yesterday's 40 cent price increase, we had another 10 cent price increase today, regular sells for $3.19 per gallon in Toledo this afternoon. The Gouger's Index is now 99 cents per gallon.

-Mark

PeteINA

09-01-2005, 04:28 PM

Not that it would be a popular suggestion or option ... but those who do recall the gas shortage of the 70's might remember that a 55mph speed limit was imposed on all highways in an effort to reduce fuel consumption. What if we revisited that option again for a limited time - at least until the crisis in the refineries in the Gulf are back on line.

In all, a reduced speed limit does help reduce the total amount of gas used. Because the price of any commodity is based on supply and demand, if the demand for gasoline and diesel fule is reduced, might the the price of that fuel go down also (or at least not rise as fast)?

Perhaps a federal (executive?) order would be an option? Nah! Probably not when the man who occupies the Oval Office has allegiances to oil companies.

-Pete

Baron Lake

09-01-2005, 04:40 PM

I know you were being your usual fair and informative self Mark. I just meant to be facetious (as usual)
b.l.

KirkOntario

09-01-2005, 05:05 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hm0504:
The strategic reserves held by the USA are 700 million barrels of oil: enough for 6 months. The arctic reserves hold as much as 10 BILLION barrels of oil! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Let's see, alone, the arctic reserves could supply the U.S. for six months but if mixed in with the domestic and foreign sources could last for decades.

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Cute but the 6 months number is made up. And the point is that environmentalists have limited development of new sources of oil and increase dependence on foreign oil.

Gas prices will go down as demand decreases with decreased consumption, efficiencies created by high prices and increased production to take advantage of the high prices. Price controls --the usual left wing response used so disasterously in the 1970's--create shortages.

goofyone

09-01-2005, 05:52 PM

Gas here is $3.299.It sucks but what can you do until all the refineries are back up.

I voted no as we just joined a club last weekend, and it is only 28 miles away. Granted we will usually take our camper and stay overnight just to relax.

Michjoe

09-01-2005, 06:02 PM

Does anyone wonder why they keep the crazy 9/10 cent in the price of a gallon of gas?

Trailscout

09-01-2005, 06:09 PM

It's a marketing strategy. Subconsciously, you think the price is Three dollars a gallon up to a price that is $3.999/gal.

There are other price points that retailers frequently use, as well.

usuallylurk

09-01-2005, 07:57 PM

Gas now is between 2.99 and 3.23 for 87 octane here.

We had a discussion on this - the dealer MUST mark up IMMEDIATELY after he's told of the next increase -- to pay for the next batch.

But when his tankwagon price is larger than his per gallon markup - he may have to overcharge just to pay for it....

puffledud

09-02-2005, 04:06 AM

Here in eastern Pennsylvania a gallon of
unleaded is LOL,
regular is OMG, and
premium is WT*.

Work has been very busy and when I'm not working is seems that the weather is uncooperative. But I do have a car that gets about 32mpg so I won't worrry too much for the time being. And, as others have stated, I can always be nude at home.

Dave

curmudgeon

09-02-2005, 12:56 PM

The CPI for the year I graduated from high school (1963) was about 30.5 compared to today's 195. Regular gas then cost about 33 cents a gallon which would be equivalent to about $2.11 in today's dollars. At $3 per gallon, it is almost 50% more expensive per gallon than it was then. BUT, my car then got about 13 mpg. Today I get about 24 so my fuel cost per mile is only about 3/4 of what it was then. Still, the recent rapid runnup is real sticker shock so we tryu to drive less. BUT, my nudity is restricted to my backyard pool, so none of this matters and yes, I do some economics and finance for a living!

cronat

09-02-2005, 03:39 PM

Although I have a nude beach by the lake just 15 minutes walking from my home, I much prefer beaches on the coast which are at least 2,5 hours driving. After I pay motorway tolls and a ferry ticket, if I decide for an island, it is not so cheap any more. So yes, I plan more carefully.

sawdust

09-02-2005, 03:40 PM

Our 5th wheel trailer is in storage until these gas prices come down some. The disel truck we have to pull it is also parked in the drive way and used only when really needed.
We are members of a nudist club and will be using our car to go there when we can. Being nude at home though is still free! With our great weather here in So. Cal, we are getting in lots of home nude time. Sawdust

curmudgeon

09-03-2005, 03:27 PM

I'm really getting tired of all the references to Bush in these forums. I have my own opinions of those who think(?) as many of the folks on this forum do, but I keep them to myself. I'm about to let loose, though, and believe me it won't be pretty.

bikerbare

09-03-2005, 03:43 PM

just do what i did, buy a motorcycle, even my large one gets 45 MPG if i dont blip the throttle too much. Lets learn something else from the other side of the pond, especially since much of our lifestyle copies over there

Nude in the North

09-03-2005, 04:48 PM

The part I enjoyed was watching the news last night, and seeing all the SUV's idling while they waited in line to pay $3.50 or more for gas. And today the price dropped. Where I buy gas it was $3.19 yesterday and $2.79 today. I'm glad to see the oil companies got production back up so fast. (that was their excuse wasn't it?)

Instead of slowing us all down to 55 to save gas. How about we just outlaw the gas guzzelers.
People that buy 30 to 40 thousand dollar SUV that gets less than 20 mpg shouldn't be complaining. They brought it on themselves. It's the rest of us that are forced to pay for their foolishness at the pump that deserve to complain.
Here's an Idea. Set the price of gas according to the miles per gallon your car gets. People that are trying to conserve get rewarded. Those that buy a 9 passenger SUV just because they want to look important when they pull up to their parking space can pay more for the gas they waste.

What ever happened to that Mandate that Auto makers were supposed to continue to increase gas mileage? Some cars got up to 40 mpg back in the 70's. They should all get that now. They have had over 30 years to work on it.

Bottom line is, untill consumers wake up and reduce the amount of gas they use, there will never be cheap gas again.

Steve

usuallylurk

09-03-2005, 08:40 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by curmudgeon:
I'm really getting tired of all the references to Bush in these forums. I have my own opinions of those who think(?) as many of the folks on this forum do, but I keep them to myself. I'm about to let loose, though, and believe me it won't be pretty. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bring it on.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

missouriboy

09-06-2005, 06:51 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nude in the North:
Here's an Idea. Set the price of gas according to the miles per gallon your car gets. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Impossible to administer. But it might work to just have rationing instead. If you could buy only X gallons per week, would you buy an SUV? Or something more economical?<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">What ever happened to that Mandate that Auto makers were supposed to continue to increase gas mileage? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>CAFE requirements (Corporate Average Fuel Economy). It's still there, and still operative. Only thing is, it applies to cars but not trucks, and SUVs are actually classified as light trucks under CAFE rules. So the industry and the public switched over to avoid the lighter vehicles.

dalesman

09-06-2005, 08:08 AM

Diesel is now 99.9p/ltr or UK£4.49 a gallon here in the UK, an all time high.
My car does about 55mpg which is better than these hefty 4x4s that are all the rage here. Many will be wishing they had not followed the trend & got something more economical for the school runs.

DJ Guy Productions

09-06-2005, 08:22 AM

Dont feel bad Dalesman:

Diesel here in the states is now $3.29 a gallon in US currency, and it's up to $3.49 in other area's near my house.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dalesman:
Diesel is now 99.9p/ltr or UK£4.49 a gallon here in the UK, an all time high.
My car does about 55mpg which is better than these hefty 4x4s that are all the rage here. Many will be wishing they had not followed the trend & got something more economical for the school runs. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

dalesman

09-06-2005, 11:45 AM

Er... at todays exchange rate the UK£4.49 a gallon we pay now would be US$8.28 a gallon http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

The US$3.49 that you are paying would ONLY be UK£1.89
Not sure how many decades ago when we last payed that for a gallon.

Born Free.....Taxed to Death. springs to mind

cronat

09-06-2005, 01:59 PM

We use liters, and if I calculated right (1 US gallon = 3,785 liter) we pay US$4.75 per gallon of diesel.

Naturist Mark

09-06-2005, 03:17 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dalesman:
Er... at todays exchange rate the UK£4.49 a gallon we pay now would be US$8.28 a gallon http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

The US$3.49 that you are paying would ONLY be UK£1.89
Not sure how many decades ago when we last payed that for a gallon.

Born Free.....Taxed to Death. springs to mind </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Of the roughly US$3/gallon we are paying for petrol, only US$0.43 goes for taxes (that varies somewhat by State) - which are restricted by law to roadway projects. Most European nations charge a very high (in comparison) fuel tax, which funds mass transit (automobile alternatives) and social infrastructure. Not in the USA.

Mass transit is a joke in the US - except for a few very large cities, nearly EVERYONE is dependent on automobile transportation. Few of us have the option of finding work within walking distance of our homes. It is perfectly legal for an employer to discriminate against a job applicant who does not have automobile transportation available.

Just out of curiousity, how much of the price of UK petrol is pure profit to the oil company? - that is, the price after you deduct taxes, resource cost (for the crude), refining, transportation and marketing?

In the US that number has jumped from under 20 cents per gallon to over a dollar in less than one year. OPEC is getting an extra 74 cents per gallon, the oil companies have passed that increase on and added an extra 125% for themselves. Gee, who should we really be invading?

-Mark

dan t

09-06-2005, 04:38 PM

I have to say no because my wife and I are going on our first social nude trip to the local resort this friday and taking the camper with us.
We are going to stay till sunday.

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nakednudists

09-06-2005, 05:51 PM

When this post first came up, I voted "no". We are having major gas trouble here in north florida and at some gas stations, there isn't even gas. If the opportunity arose where I could go to a resort out of town, I might have to re-think my decision.

dalesman

09-07-2005, 06:03 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by cronat:
We use litres, and if I calculated right (1 US gallon = 3,785 liter) we pay US$4.75 per gallon of diesel. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah, we have 4.5 litre in an Imperial Gallon so were not comparing like with like.
A US gallon would be UK£3.78 or US$6.95 still over double your pump price.

As to the tax we pay its about 80% of the pump price so something like £3.60 of the £4.40 per Imp/gall goes to the government.

usuallylurk

09-07-2005, 07:03 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nakednudists:
When this post first came up, I voted "no". We are having major gas trouble here in north florida and at some gas stations, there isn't even gas. If the opportunity arose where I could go to a resort out of town, I might have to re-think my decision. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, when I started the poll, it was in the "good old days" when gas went for around $2.30 a gallon !!!!

missouriboy

09-08-2005, 05:56 AM

Competition is kicking back in now, it seems. A few places have come down one penny! It went up 10 and 15 cents at a time, daily, now it'll come down by pennies. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Just the opposite of the stock market: it goes up by inches, then falls yards in one whack.

09-08-2005, 11:19 AM

I was going to drive 4 hours-2 hours there and back, north to skinnydip at a beach or the same distance, east to freehike on some trails.

But, do not know in advance if textiles will be there to ruin things for me.
Gas is expensive here, too.

Think I will try a local park, instead.

fred950

09-08-2005, 05:47 PM

According to the EPA portion of the price sticker,my current daily driver, a '97 Ford Escort, is supposed to get 34 mpg hyway. I have no problems getting 35-36 on long hyway drives. (And that's cruising at 65-70 mph.)

On the daily commute, a mixture of mostly stop-and-go with some hyway, I average 30 to 32 mpg.
in the course of a week, I use 11-11.5 (US) gallons. Even at it's most expensive, ($3.26) that was an extra $18 to $19.00 a week. Hardly a budget buster.

I think a big part of the problem is Americans have long confused wants with needs. for example, most people do not now, nor have have they ever in the past NEEDED a 6000 lbs 4WD Suburban just to get through a "little" 6 ro 8 inch snowfall. I have personnally driven through such snowfalls for over three -and-a-half decades. Driving Escorts, a Horizon, a Cavalier, Chevettes, an AMC Hornet and a small fleet of Corvairs. And I don't even remember when the last time I owned a set of snow tires.

Now think carefully. Had U S drivers been serious about saving fuel and STAYED serious since the late 70's, had 9/11 still happened, WE could have boycotted OPEC until Bin Laden was turned over!

usuallylurk

09-08-2005, 09:36 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fred950:
According to the EPA portion of the price sticker,my current daily driver, a '97 Ford Escort, is supposed to get 34 mpg hyway. I have no problems getting 35-36 on long hyway drives. (And that's cruising at 65-70 mph.)

On the daily commute, a mixture of mostly stop-and-go with some hyway, I average 30 to 32 mpg.
in the course of a week, I use 11-11.5 (US) gallons. Even at it's most expensive, ($3.26) that was an extra $18 to $19.00 a week. Hardly a budget buster.

I think a big part of the problem is Americans have long confused wants with needs. for example, most people do not now, nor have have they ever in the past NEEDED a 6000 lbs 4WD Suburban just to get through a "little" 6 ro 8 inch snowfall. I have personnally driven through such snowfalls for over three -and-a-half decades. Driving Escorts, a Horizon, a Cavalier, Chevettes, an AMC Hornet and a small fleet of Corvairs. And I don't even remember when the last time I owned a set of snow tires.

Now think carefully. Had U S drivers been serious about saving fuel and STAYED serious since the late 70's, had 9/11 still happened, WE could have boycotted OPEC until Bin Laden was turned over! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have a 2003 Saturn Ion - gets around 31-32 on long highway trips and 29-30 around town.

I'm happy -- but you're right.

I used to work with a guy who had one of those V-12 trucks, and his wife did too -- just to go back and forth to work!

So my gas consumption is around $35 a week now. It's going to get me to think -- consolidate trips, plan shopping, etc. and use the cruise control and keep the RPMs down, but not change my lifestyle very much.

missouriboy

09-09-2005, 02:39 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">...and use the cruise control... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Now there's an argument waiting to happen. In hilly terrain, cruise control operates in exact opposition to ideal MPG. The key to top mileage is steady throttle, not steady speed.

johny

09-09-2005, 04:24 AM

1) Just I wonder HOW much appetitive are average American vehicles. At Europe we have been feeded with stories about enormous consumption factors. Is it true??

For example, my car have very big appetite, it consumes when fully loaded 10 liter DD for each 100 km or alternatively 1 liter DD plus 13 liter LPG (VW-Transporter). My previous was Opel-Ascona-Combi with 7 liter petrol or 8,5 of LPG. Before I had Audi-80 what was nightmare with 9 liter gasoline or 11 LPG, but before it was Lada-1,2 with 8 liter of gasoline and 10 of LPG. The most modern vehicles eats up just as 5...6 liters per 100 km.

What about Your`s??

2) I find a fine idea for nudist travel equipment - see below (oh, just what shop have such machines in a stock??)

PascoDoug

09-09-2005, 08:02 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by johny:
2) I find a fine idea for nudist travel equipment - see below (oh, just what shop have such machines in a stock??) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't think I'd want my naked rear end that close to the asphalt.

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fre2bnude

09-10-2005, 12:37 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Diesel is now 99.9p/ltr or UK£4.49 a gallon here in the UK, an all time high.
My car does about 55mpg which is better than these hefty 4x4s that are all the rage here. Many will be wishing they had not followed the trend & got something more economical for the school runs. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, the people in the US complain about their high fuel prices but they are nothing compared to what we've been paying in the UK for many years, fuel in America has been so cheap for a long time, that's now ended and their prices are going up though they're still nothing like ours.
It doesn't really affect me because I'm still only a home nudist and don't have to travel for that reason, but, my car is a diesel anyway and I get between 55-60 mpg (is that around 20 kpl?) on average. Also have been using Bio Diesel for several months made from recycled cooking oil, that costs me 80p per litre it's less damaging to the environment and I still get the same economy from the fuel.
I know I have digressed but I had to say all that.

tarsus

09-10-2005, 04:07 AM

to answer the question: yes high gas prices are affectting everything i do. it makes it very hard to enjoy my lifestyle.
since i now live in an apt. in the city,i am getting little nude time any more.

NudistGuy47

09-10-2005, 04:47 AM

The cost of gas drives my daily decision making. I try and decide how best to accomplish my daily tasks without driving excess miles. I have forgone a trip to the beach 70 miles away where one can enjoy some nude time on Lake Erie. I have managed to fit in a few clothesfree hikes when driving home from working in various cities in NE Ohio. Th eextra few miles to reach the park have not been a significant additon to any trip. With both of my cars getting 30+ miles per gallon, I try and do my part to conserve.

Naturist Mark

09-10-2005, 07:04 AM

Exxon had a "problem" (http://www.fortune.com/fortune/ceo/articles/0,15114,1044779,00.html) this spring. One that has only become much much worse with the higher prices for crude and much larger profit margins for refined fuels.

<UL TYPE=SQUARE> <LI>Exxon's "soon-to-retire CEO suddenly has a new anxiety: how to spend the windfall wrought by $55-a-barrel oil. By the end of April, Exxon will have a cash hoard of more than $ 25 billion. And if crude prices stay where they are, this geometrically growing bonanza could soon give Exxon more cash on hand than any other U.S. company...the cash is building at a remarkable rate. Each dollar jump in the price of a barrel of oil adds another half billion in earnings. Based on current prices, Exxon is accumulating more than $1 billion a month - even after allocating for dividends, share repurchases, and capital spending. If oil simply stays where it is now, Exxon's cash could approach $40 billion in 12 months. By then [Exxon's CEO] is expected to have handed off the top job--and the headache of what to do with all that cash." [/list]

Remember, taking into account costs and enough markup to allow record profits to the oil companies, US gasoline should be selling for $2.19/gallon. Ever penny above that is pure gouging. This is proof that we don't have a free market for oil products, competitive pressure would never allow such gouging.

-Mark

Cheri

09-10-2005, 07:12 AM

It's put a crimp in all our activity. I occasionally carpool to work (about 10 mile). We have only one car currently.

Not sure if I'll have the $ to get to East Carolina to do my lectures to undergrads on nudism in a few weeks. (all donations are welcome)

We did manage to visit Carolina Foothills about 2 hrs. away over Labor Day. I put $50 in the gas tank of my Windstar, and it wasn't even full at $2.99/gal. Last night on the way home from religious services, I put $5 in the tank, enough to get me home and to work on Monday.

Cheri

09-10-2005, 07:25 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cheri:
Not sure if I'll have the $ to get to East Carolina to do my lectures to undergrads on nudism in a few weeks. (all donations are welcome)
Cheri </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There is no travel expense allowance from the school?
Perhaps, the students will take up a collection?

Cheri

09-10-2005, 07:41 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nu:
There is no travel expense allowance from the school?
Perhaps, the students will take up a collection? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am a guest lecturer, unpaid. The professors house, and feed me, and transport me to the various classes. The professors invite me each year, not the school. I do get some assistance AFTER the fact from the AANR East region. The region and AANR as well as TNS give me give-aways such as frisbees and publications for the students. Last year I was a recipient of an AANR Ed. Foundation grant.
Cheri

09-10-2005, 09:45 AM

Cheri:
Airlines and courier companies apply fuel surcharges to their billings when gasoline goes up in price.
Would recommend asking AANR for an increase in assistance. You are promoting the cause of nudism. Asking them for an advance may also be a good idea.

Cheri

09-10-2005, 10:47 AM

I am emailing the Eastern region of AANR, Mary Williamson, secretary/treasurer and copying the note to Susan Weaver, the Eastern region's president with a request for an advance. I'll let you know what the answer is.

Hugs, Cheri

missouriboy

09-12-2005, 08:53 AM

Our pumps have dropped to $2.799 from, variously, $2.999 and $3.099 since the end of, ahem http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif , Labor Day weekend.

Sauna

09-12-2005, 09:37 AM

The problem is that you are not used to the high European prices of gasoline. Anyhow you must follow us because it goes up again untill it is 10 dollars per liter. Buy European cars they use much less gasolinen per mile.

KirkOntario

09-12-2005, 07:34 PM

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/9fef5f14-23cb-11da-b56b-00000e2511c8.html

So much for the gloom and doom predictions of environmentalist that the world is running out of oil. Oil companies haven't been looking for new sources of oil for two decades. Now they are.

Naturist Mark

09-13-2005, 05:32 AM

Tuesday September 13, 2005

Today's Gouger's Index (tm) = $2.05/gallon for regular unleaded gasoline

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by missouriboy:
Our pumps have dropped to $2.799 from, variously, $2.999 and $3.099 since the end of, ahem http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif , Labor Day weekend. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The price of crude oil has dropped to $63.34/barrel.

Calculated based upon December 2004 price levels - including enough markup to provide record oil company profits - the current price of gasoline should be $2.05/gallon. Every penny above that price is pure gouging.

What are you paying?

-Mark

naturalmanwa

09-13-2005, 05:45 AM

Based on the price of crude and the cost of refining and transporting it possibly could be even cheaper. Before I retired I was involved in the fuel end of my employer's services and it was purchased from the refineries on the open market, and the going price was about 60% of the pump price. Example: if pump price was $1.50, ours was around .90 cents. There is a huge markup and we the people in the street are making the big oil companies rich!

missouriboy

09-13-2005, 06:08 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">the going price was about 60% of the pump price. Example: if pump price was $1.50, ours was around .90 cents. There is a huge markup </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Waitaminute... that pump price includes the road tax. Isn't that about 43 cents? (Varies by state.) If the tax is .43 then the markup is 18.9% Is that huge? I dunno... a lot of cost of retailing comes out of that markup, it's not all profit.

Baron Lake

09-13-2005, 08:19 AM

The retailers bear the costs of their operations and profits are a lot smaller than 18 plus percent. Oil COMPANY profits are huge.
b.l.

Buzzer

09-13-2005, 09:23 AM

http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gifSince we are "at home" nudists, the price of gasoline has not affected our nudity conversely. As a matter of fact, we have cut back on traveling, so we are nude more often and for longer periods. This is especially true of my wife, who was a reluctant nudist, even around the house. Now she is perfectly comfortable with being nude at home.

missouriboy

09-14-2005, 06:06 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Baron Lake:
The retailers bear the costs of their operations and profits are a lot smaller than 18 plus percent.
b.l. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>That rings true. For years and years and years, the retail markup for general merchandise has been 40%. But gasoline retailing is so highly competitive that their markup has never approached that. I've always heard that retailing gasoline nets only a few pennies per gallon profit.

BTW, yesterday our pump prices dropped a whole dime, to $2.699. So I was wrong, maybe they will come down like they went up. WooHoo!!

But I did read something about how the "flow" of new oil is backing-up, due to the refineries in the Katrina region becoming inoperative. This will undoubtedly impact costs all along the line, disrupting the whole business for a good while. Example, a supertanker sitting idle waiting to unload still costs umpteen-thousand dollars an hour, whether it's doing productive work or not.

Cheri

09-14-2005, 06:14 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nu:
Cheri:
(snip)Would recommend asking AANR for an increase in assistance. You are promoting the cause of nudism. Asking them for an advance may also be a good idea. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you VERY much for this suggestion. They'll be sending me a check the first of Nov.
http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Cheri

usuallylurk

09-14-2005, 10:28 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by missouriboy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Baron Lake:
The retailers bear the costs of their operations and profits are a lot smaller than 18 plus percent.
b.l. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>That rings true. For years and years and years, the retail markup for general merchandise has been 40%. But gasoline retailing is so highly competitive that their markup has never approached that. I've always heard that retailing gasoline nets only a few pennies per gallon profit.

BTW, yesterday our pump prices dropped a whole dime, to $2.699. So I was wrong, maybe they will come down like they went up. WooHoo!!

But I did read something about how the "flow" of new oil is backing-up, due to the refineries in the Katrina region becoming inoperative. This will undoubtedly impact costs all along the line, disrupting the whole business for a good while. Example, a supertanker sitting idle waiting to unload still costs umpteen-thousand dollars an hour, whether it's doing productive work or not. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The price of gasoline is determined largely by the commodities market. Furthermore, your local retailer has to (usually) pay for the gas in ADVANCE or at delivery time. If the price goes up greater than his markup - he must jack his markup up, at least temporarily, or he would be losing money on every gallon he sells.

I worked in a gas station in 1972-1973 and it was hell - every time the supplier raised the price, we LOST money because we couldn't "break shift" right then and there. Plus, back then, our markup was pinned by law to 1971 levels. We could raise our price to cover the increase but we also had to come up with more money for t he delivery.

So if the tankwagon price goes up 30 cents and the dealer markup is 20 cents -- he's gonna lose 10 cents (not 10 cents profit - but LOSE 10 cents) on every gallon he pumps.

missouriboy

09-15-2005, 03:31 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Plus, back then, our markup was pinned by law to 1971 levels. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Yeah, I well remember Nixon's wrong-headed attempt at wage and price controls.

Update: The next day after dropping to $2.699 we again dropped to $2.599. Ten cents a day, just like it went up. There IS a free-market God, after all!! http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

oddbutterfly1

09-15-2005, 12:42 PM

It hasn't changed out time at home nude. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif But it has changed how much we go to nude resorts, and to our favorite skinny dipping places. The nearest resort is at least 8 hours drive away and the our best outdoors site is about an hour away. But at least we can still be comfortable at home. At least until they raise the price of natural gas and hydro, which is supposed to happen some time this winter http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Connie

KirkOntario

09-15-2005, 04:58 PM