Urinal Stall !! :o

[KetchumMaine]

Aparently, society has become so hyper-modest that Irving Oil Corporation has begun installing urinal stalls. Yup, you heard me, a stall with full door and latch are in place in the Augusta Maine Irving Station near the Civic Center.

However, there are some places which the modesty influences still haven't had an effect. I went to Fun Town (amusment park) and found modern urinals less than 2 feet from the sink with no dividers. At Thomas Point Beach they still have the old wall length urinals where as many as 12 males could urinate at once.

It would seem that there is an increasing fear that someone will see someone else's penis, and all measures (reasonable or not) are being used to assure that this does not happen. What is the underlying concern?? I always thought that God created two body types, male and female. So, what is the big deal?

[KetchumMaine]

Aparently, society has become so hyper-modest that Irving Oil Corporation has begun installing urinal stalls. Yup, you heard me, a stall with full door and latch are in place in the Augusta Maine Irving Station near the Civic Center.

However, there are some places which the modesty influences still haven't had an effect. I went to Fun Town (amusment park) and found modern urinals less than 2 feet from the sink with no dividers. At Thomas Point Beach they still have the old wall length urinals where as many as 12 males could urinate at once.

It would seem that there is an increasing fear that someone will see someone else's penis, and all measures (reasonable or not) are being used to assure that this does not happen. What is the underlying concern?? I always thought that God created two body types, male and female. So, what is the big deal?

[RalphVa]

I think it's rather silly that we even have separate toilets for men and women. Places in Japan have one for both.

[nakednudists]

I think its funny how men and women don't mind being naked with eachother at a resort or club, but when its time to pee, well, there's different rooms for that. Society is to blame.

[Nude in the North]

I suppose Homophobia is another underlying factor in this silly trend.

But then again, maybe it's just a really good Urinal Stall salesman earning extra commission.

Steve

[KirkOntario]

Doesn't every (guy) notice a lot of urinal dividers going up in places? A bit of the same thing without the door.

[Nudony]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I think its funny how men and women don't mind being naked with eachother at a resort or club, but when its time to pee, well, there's different rooms for that. Society is to blame. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I used to go to a rustic resort that featured a communal bathroom area; no dividers between urinals and barely enclosed toilet stalls. When I shared that information with other nudists, I was surprised to find that many expressed reluctance at the idea of sharing the same space with a member of the opposite sex while answering nature's call. I must admit, the first time I used the urinal, and there was a woman right behind me, waiting on her child to come out of the stall, I was a bit thrown off. We are indeed conditionned that using the bathroom is a private, solitary act. However, over a short period of time, I became accustomed to it: one day, as I was using a stall, a woman came in with her young son and hoisted him up to the urinal right next to me; as she did, the mother and I engaged in a short conversation, without any sense of shame or awareness about what I happened to be doing at the time. After walking out of the bathroom, I realized how much of a non-event this just had been.
However, if even nudists are not quite comfortable with such a situation, the textile world is a very long way from that.

[Lilwilly]

As a nudist I am completely comfortable with others of either sex or sexual persuation seeing me naked, and vice vesa. I do however from time to time suffer from being "pee shy". For those that don't know, that means that my little brain is consumed with the idea that someone is watchig or waiting for me to finish. That has nothing to do with whether they can see my penis, they can see me! The result is a total inablity to do the job no matter how badly I need to. The quickest solution is to duck into a stall where I can't be seen and then everything works. My long winded point is, more privacy around the urinals may just be to speed up the process for the shy ones! Happy holidays everyone!

[dan t]

(pee shy)
I have had that from time to time.
But not as often now I seem to have goten over it the past 2 years .
SEE ME http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

While I have no problem using the urinal with other people nearby, I DO have a problem with the urinal that has no privacy divider--specially if there is someone else at the urinal right next to me. When I need to sit in the restroom, I like to have a door to close.

One time at a nudist resort I was standing at the urinal in my birthday suit with the lady doing her cleaning and had no problem with it except that it did feel a little strange.

Another time I had showered in the clubhouse and was drying off in the connecting co-ed restroom with a woman in one stall doing her business. That, too, felt a little strange but I just ignored her.

Not being a long time veteran at social nudism (just over four years) there are times I feel a little uncomfortable, but I've noticed that the more "exposure" I get with social nudism the less self-conscious I am. Those old taboos that many of us grew up with are hard to break and overcome.

[KirkOntario]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by David77:
The only thing I object to and uncomfortable with, is any opportunity to compare sizes that are all lined up in a row, in trough type and wide open urinals.

I don't want any beauty pagents nor "size pagents". as I would not win. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've seen those old trough types in pubs in Britain. Bit intimidating. I didn't see any 'formal' competition going on so it might just be going on in your thoughts. One wonders though being a nudist why you don't feel the same way walking around a club. I think you are saying the idea of a line-up invites the comparison in your mind right? I can see that might be the reason. Funny how certain situations trigger uncomfortabl thoughts.

[David77]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KirkOntario:
I've seen those old trough types in pubs in Britain. Bit intimidating.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
One wonders though, being a nudist, why you don't feel "a bit intimidated", the same way, walking around a club. I think you, too, are saying the idea of a line-up invites the comparison in your mind. (It does in my mind) Funny how certain situations trigger uncomfortable thoughts. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I know someone who would not have his picture taken beside his buddy, because his friend has a long one and he has a short one, and the nude picture would provide an unwanted, easy comparison.

[need2Bnude]

Is it being too modest or is it that some people are too embarassed, anymore its who is in charge and what can they do to push their opinion on how things should be.
Stalls for urinals...dang, what a waste of money and good material.

[KirkOntario]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by David77:
I know someone who would not have his picture taked beside his buddy, because his friend has a long one and he has a short one, and the nude picture would provide an unwanted, easy comparison. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's funny! The old stand-on-the-yellow-pages trick wouldn't work would it? http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[NudePete]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KetchumMaine:
...there is an increasing fear that someone will see someone else's penis, and all measures (reasonable or not) are being used to assure that this does not happen.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think issuing blindfolds would be less expensive then installing dividers or full enclosures. Optional, of course.

[Nude in the North]

Buddy Hackett used to say he didn't mind other guys using the urinal next to him. But When they turned to ask for an autograph or introduce themselves his leg would get wet.

Maybe that's why they put dividers up.

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Steve

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NudePete:

I think issuing blindfolds would be less expensive then installing dividers or full enclosures. Optional, of course. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Blindfolds???Aaaaacck!!...Oooops ..Sorry...Thought it was the urinal... http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gifhttp://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[P.J.]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by freedom2be:
Being nude in a social situation is one thing, having to move one's bowels or urinate with just anyone around and without privacy is entirely another....some things should remain private... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



Well said!!!
I don't want others to watch me "using the facilities."
I don't want to watch others using the toilet either.

[Jeff Brooks]

In college our dorm suite bath 3 tolits that were out in the open. I hated taking a dump with anyone in there. I found it totally humilating. I also do not enjoy seeing anyone take a dump. As far as a urinal that does not bother me at all.

JB

[NudePete]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jeff Brooks:
In college our dorm suite bath 3 tolits that were out in the open. I hated taking a dump with anyone in there. I found it totally humilating. I also do not enjoy seeing anyone take a dump. As far as a urinal that does not bother me at all.

JB </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I would have associated open toilets with prison, not with college. I wonder what would posess an architect to design something like that?

[Nude in the North]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I wonder what would posess an architect to design something like that? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Ummmm, Budget?

There was a time when Practicality and Cost was more important than Aesthetics.

I'm not saying that I would enjoy taking a group dump in an "open air" rest room. But there was a time when it was more common than it is today.

Change is good ... sometimes.

Steve

[David77]

I was not repulsed by seeing my wife nor anyone else sitting on the commode, nor repulsed by seeing a man standing doing his business, but I am repulsed by any odor from it, and by any sight of the resulting defecation material.
I can comfortably carry on a conversation with anyone while I am sitting on the commode. No problem nor embarrassment there.

[steve-o]

It's too bad America is such a puritan state after all these years. A waste of money and space building separate toilet facilities for men and women.

In Europe (at least I know in France) it's just one room/uni-sex. In French towns in pubs and sports facility, basically all public buildings I remember using the urinal as girls and women would come and use the sink or the toilet stall (with door). Sometimes there would also be an additional one with a real door - a small separate small toilet room so no one else would smell or, ahem..., hear, uh, any embarrassing noices.

This won't work in the puritanical, safety-hyped U.S., but I liked it that way as it made for a more open and accepting attitude at large.
--s

[OZJames]

David77 said
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> know someone who would not have his picture taked beside his buddy, because his friend has a long one and he has a short one, and the nude picture would provide an unwanted, easy comparison. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well my NOSE is quite long so with my friends who have shorter ones, I am perfectly comfortable having my photo taken nude http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <span class="ev_code_RED">JAMES</span> http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[steve-o]

yes, sure. It's just not a big deal in Eurpoean countries. At most swimming pools the showers/changing rooms are unisex, or else you can choose m/f/family. In the family shower/changing room, kids, moms, dads, teens, singles, etc.. anyone any age is nude/semi-nude in the shower, changing clothes, it's not a big deal. "If you don't go to such extremes to hide the body and make a big deal out of 'modesty' and 'privacy' in order to hide something that everyone's seen already, it's really not a big deal" is the general attitude.
--s

[P.J.]

If this topic digresses from urinal stalls to comparing penis sizes, then CFF will turn into a much bigger liars forum than any fisherman's convention! http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

[P.J.]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NudePete:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jeff Brooks:
In college our dorm suite bath 3 tolits that were out in the open. I hated taking a dump with anyone in there. I found it totally humilating. I also do not enjoy seeing anyone take a dump. As far as a urinal that does not bother me at all.

JB </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I would have associated open toilets with prison, not with college. I wonder what would posess an architect to design something like that? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I associate open toilets stalls with Navy boot camp.

[Mountain Goat]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by P.J.:
Well said!!!
I don't want others to watch me "using the facilities."
I don't want to watch others using the toilet either. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think that is a similar socially instilled paranoia that prevents people from enjoying nudism. Some think that if you go to a nudist beach, you'll be 'watched'. i.e.

"I don't want to see disgusting naked people"
"I don't want to be seen naked"

But as we know, at a good nudist beach, this is not a relevant point.

With using the toilet, it is moreso the case. Who WOULD watch another doing their business? If you were to go to a wall-less toilet, would people really watch? (I can answer from third-world experience, NO). And in a strange way, not really desiring to conflate open toileting and nudism, but it is liberating in the same way.

But then again, only the WEIRDLY idealistic would insist on open and free toilets for everyone - it is simply unnecessary and a passionate mover for such an arrangement must have some strange ideas.

Perhaps in my utopia it might be the case, I think many people bear a lot of psychological stress about toileting, just as they do about nudity. But then I don't really care much about having it a part of my life.

I live in a country where the trough style urinals are the most common, except in very recently built buildings. After a little while, it is very easy to pee there. You just need a little practice and patience.


(just dropping back in after a break from here)

Mountain Goat

[Gary Naturist]

When I'm fishing nude off the dock, if I need to pee, I just do so, handsfree.

I don't do this if I see someone in the vicinity. Although I feel less inhibited about peeing in the presence of others when naked, I don't make the parallel assumption that anyone who is OK seeing me naked would be OK seeing me pee when naked.

I can even cast and reel in while peeing. Who says that guys can't do two things at once?

Gary

[WNYjoe17]

As stated by others, I think a lot of it is societal conditioning. I go to one nudist park that has Mens, mix, & womens stalls in the clubhouse (one of each). Urinal and toilet are in the men's stall. That way, everyone gets the same privacy. Was at a nudist camp where there was mixed gender (room) a while ago and did not have a problem, but had never encountered it previously. I do know nudists, especially women who want the privacy though.
I also know of at least one textile park in our area where they have a urinal that is essentially a big horse trough or something to that effect, and the men just line up there. That does get me a little wierded, I admit.
I think societal ideas fall into our thinking in ways we don't always want to admit to.

But.. once I had a bizarre one happen that didn't pahse anyone, including me. I was in a hotel public bathroom (textile) during a St. Patrick's day parade. The line in the women's room was running long. Suddenly--mid pee while standing at a urinal, a woman walks into the men's room and says "I'm not gonna wait..." and just grabs a stall. The guys there just looked at each other. And continued to go about our business.

Joe

[usuallylurk]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WNYjoe17:
As stated by others, I think a lot of it is societal conditioning. I go to one nudist park that has Mens, mix, & womens stalls in the clubhouse (one of each). Urinal and toilet are in the men's stall. That way, everyone gets the same privacy. Was at a nudist camp where there was mixed gender (room) a while ago and did not have a problem, but had never encountered it previously. I do know nudists, especially women who want the privacy though.
I also know of at least one textile park in our area where they have a urinal that is essentially a big horse trough or something to that effect, and the men just line up there. That does get me a little wierded, I admit.
I think societal ideas fall into our thinking in ways we don't always want to admit to.

But.. once I had a bizarre one happen that didn't pahse anyone, including me. I was in a hotel public bathroom (textile) during a St. Patrick's day parade. The line in the women's room was running long. Suddenly--mid pee while standing at a urinal, a woman walks into the men's room and says "I'm not gonna wait..." and just grabs a stall. The guys there just looked at each other. And continued to go about our business.

Joe </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think (and someone else can confirm this) that for a nudist park to be accepted as an AANR park, it must have separate-sex restrooms. It must also meet several other requirements, such as local licensing for all hotel and restaurant facilities, a minimum number of showers, running hot and cold water, potable water for campers, etc.



People tend to prefer that.

[PascoDoug]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by usuallylurk:
I think (and someone else can confirm this) that for a nudist park to be accepted as an AANR park, it must have separate-sex restrooms. It must also meet several other requirements, such as local licensing for all hotel and restaurant facilities, a minimum number of showers, running hot and cold water, potable water for campers, etc.
People tend to prefer that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well Sunsport Gardens here in FL is an AANR affiliated park. Their main restroom building has a doorway on each end, one marked "Men" the other marked "Women."

Both doors lead to a single, common restroom http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Sailor]

In a unisex rest room with stalls that have doors, I don't see why anyone would have a problem. And really, everyone pees and poops, so even without doors, it should not be such a big deal (in an ideal world).

In a mixed sex facility which did not have doors, I would think that most men would get really uncomfortable seeing a woman dealing with the bloody mess from her period. (Am I correct about that?) For this reason alone, I would think that even in a very liberated atmosphere, there should be a certain level of privacy.

[Spydyr]

I was at a large festival in MN last weekend. At the park, there were plenty of porta podies, but there was also a large, normal restroom. In the emn's side, there were a couple of stalls for sitting, but there was also the old fashioned, wall trough for standing. To me, this was a bit refreshing. Who, in their right mind, would think that doing your business would be some kind of competition? Any nudist knows that for the most part, most men are roughly the same size!
The first time that I went to a nudist park, I did think it was a bit odd that there were separate restroom facilities. I like the European attitude, if it isn't sexual, there really isn't anything to hide!

[David77]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sailor:
In a mixed sex facility which did not have doors, I would think that most men would get really uncomfortable seeing a woman dealing with the bloody mess from her period. (Am I correct about that?) For this reason alone, I would think that even in a very liberated atmosphere, there should be a certain level of privacy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree that women need and want their privacy for this "monthly" routine. I suspect that not only men, but other women would not wish to witness a woman cleaning up this bloody mess.

[l2ltlarry]

Mountain Goat, I've always appreciated your viewpoints and kept hoping you would come back. Hope you post regularly again.

To the topic, when I was growing up (a long time ago), the norm was the trough-style urinals. I sometimes found it difficult to get it started. Same thing applies to the completely open kind of urinals which are the wall-mounted ones that stick out from the wall and usually have water in them like a toilet.

When I was traveling to and working in St. Louis in the mid-70's, my first stop-off at the airport was at the restroom. It had the completely open urinals as above. There were probably 40 of them along opposite walls. As I was using one, I noticed there was a cleaning lady in the restroom. I felt strange but it was an interesting experience, the first time a woman had an opportunity to see me pee.

As some of you know, I'm a curious person, always looking for more stuff to learn. I'm wondering about this: In a plumbing catalog, I ran across a "female urinal" which it said was used in Europe. There was a picture of it; it was much like the urinal described above except it had the piece that sticks out narrower and much longer than the men's style. I was wondering how women use one of these. I'm still not sure, but I did some research, and encountered some articles by women discussing how to pee standing up.

Can someone enlighten me on this?

[Captain Zen]

I find it a good idea to have seperate toilets for men and women, if the men's room is occupied, I always take the lady's.
For pissing next to a guy, I remember we did that as little boys to see who could piss farthest, winners of those contest invariably became firemen.
In case you know you need to, just before a long bus trip, but can not get started so freely, the sound of running water, or someone standing next to you urinating, helps me a lot to get it over and out of me.

[Gothmog]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Captain Zen:
I find it a good idea to have seperate toilets for men and women, if the men's room is occupied, I always take the lady's.
For pissing next to a guy, I remember we did that as little boys to see who could piss farthest, winners of those contest invariably became firemen.
In case you know you need to, just before a long bus trip, but can not get started so freely, the sound of running water, or someone standing next to you urinating, helps me a lot to get it over and out of me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So are we to belive that no Zionists or Illuminati are involved at all?

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[David77]

Putting the gas nozzle in the opening in the gas tank and letting the gas flow, many times makes me feel like urinating urgently. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by David77:
Putting the gas nozzle in the opening in the gas tank and letting the gas flow, many times makes me feel like urinating urgently. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm??? Interesting..Not the kind of response I'd expect http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

[David77]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Hmmm??? Interesting..Not the kind of response I'd expect. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, I know! You creative types need no prodding of your imagination. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[usuallylurk]

Hey I don't know if it's advancement or regression but we've gone from the trough to the urinal to the urinal stall.

There is one sports arena near us, now called the DCU Center (originally called the Worcester Centrum).

It was built in the late 1970s and is an extremely spartan facility. The lobbies are basically dingy-lit concrete. And the toilet facilities are completely, totally inadequate.

I was in there for the NCAA Ice Hockey tournament in March. One weirdness - there was a tampon dispensing machine in the men's room.

Someone explained to me that for a sporting event where there will likely be more men than women, that toilet is used as a men's room. If it's, say, a concert, especially one that's going to attract teenage girls (Britney Spears, in-Sync, etc.) they would just change the sign on the outside and I think they put a cover on the urinals.

The NCAA loves the place because the rent is low, it's not too far from major highways, and there are few scheduling conflicts because it is not home to an NHL or NBA or even a major college team. The building's only regular tenant is a minor-league hockey team.

But for someone attending an event, the place makes you long for the old Boston Garden. And don't drink too much beer because you'll spend a half-hour in line for the can.

[greensunshine]

I after all these years have wondered why it is such a "Big Issue" with you guys and your not being able to take care of business in the presence of others.

I find it amusing/sad that you guys will hold body fluids in to the point of making yourselves sick before you will allow others see what are normal body functions to most of us women. But on the other hand, we as women, will take care of business even if it means we have company in the same stall with us.

Greensunshine

[nakednudists]

I will have to agree with your comment greensunshine. You hit the nail right on the head!

[NudeAl]

I'm not shy, never have been. If I need to go I go. All this about a urinal silly stuff really. I think that the open urinal is one of the main reasons why the mens room never seems to have a line. It is a shame that we are so uptight about our bodies that someone has designed and built these things. I have no problem sharing restrooms with the opposite sex. Everyone has to go so I don't see what the big deal is. I keep wondering when will it stop? I mean I would think we would reach a saturation point whaen we have had enough of this false modesty? Interesting note when I was in Australia they had the big open urinals up on a step, sort of like a mini waterfall about six feet long about four feet tall with constantly flowing water. I had no problem but some of the other Yanks were a bit to shy to give it a try they would opt to go to the toilet stalls instead.

[Nudony]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I after all these years have wondered why it is such a "Big Issue" with you guys and your not being able to take care of business in the presence of others. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Technically, there is actually a bit a difference between how men and women "take care of business." A woman is sitting down; so nothing is actually showing. A man, on the other hand, has to stand up, hold his P up and point it in the right direction; so it is much more demonstrative and graphic.
Jus a side-note..

[l2ltlarry]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I'm wondering about this: In a plumbing catalog, I ran across a "female urinal" which it said was used in Europe. There was a picture of it; it was much like the urinal described above except it had the piece that sticks out narrower and much longer than the men's style. I was wondering how women use one of these. I'm still not sure, but I did some research, and encountered some articles by women discussing how to pee standing up.

Can someone enlighten me on this? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
From my post on Sept. 5th.

Anybody from Europe or who has been in Europe or otherwise knows about "female urinals" which I encountered in a plumbing catalog who can fill me in on these?

[RalphVa]

Most of you won't remember this. When I first started travelling to Asia and Europe in the mid to late 1970s, both Tokyo and Paris had urinals for men right in the middle of public sidewalks. They just built a ring of sheet metal around the hole in the sidewalk from about knee high up to about mid chest height. Men just stepped in there and let go. These disappeared not long after that. Don't know how long they were there before.

Now, men in Tokyo will often stop what they're doing and pee against the side of a building. This is usually at night. Gotta relieve some of that beer drunk at those late night drinking parties.

Yes, David77, I've had the same sensation in filling up my tank. I've sometimes had to stop, go inside and find a toilet, hopefully not one with a key. This happens when the prostate enlarges.

[David77]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Anybody from Europe or who has been in Europe or otherwise knows about "female urinals" which I encountered in a plumbing catalog who can fill me in on these? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
SweetPee;
http://www.mysweetpee.com/faq/index.asp

[l2ltlarry]

I Googled "female urinal" and found my answer. There was a wealth of information on the subject. Quite interesting.

[fre2bnude]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">quote:
I after all these years have wondered why it is such a "Big Issue" with you guys and your not being able to take care of business in the presence of others.


Technically, there is actually a bit a difference between how men and women "take care of business." A woman is sitting down; so nothing is actually showing. A man, on the other hand, has to stand up, hold his P up and point it in the right direction; so it is much more demonstrative and graphic.
Jus a side-note.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is very true, the ladies always have the privacy of a door on the stall and don't have to do their "business" out in the open like the guys do. There's a bit of criticism from Greensunshine and thinks it a big issue, but how would they cope if the stalls were taken away and they had to pee out in the open with no privacy. From what I gather at the unisex toilets the fellas have to stand and pee with the women walking in and out, that for me would take some getting used to though I suppose in time I would, up to now it's always been a private thing. I've always had problems passing water in company, don't know why, there's no valid reason, but I do. I have not yet had the chance to be nude in a social setting so have never yet walked into a toilet without clothes so don't know how I'd cope, but I suspect that I'd find it a bit easier cos everyone is already nude with nothing to hide. I know that I'd like to try it out along with the social nudity.
Would the ladies be happy to expose themselves while having a pee as the guys have to do? Would they cope with the female urinal in the view of the men (or even other women) as the men have to cope? I'm interested in hearing answers to these questions.

[David77]

<center><span class="ev_code_RED">"Bashful Bladder" Syndrome - Avoidant Paruresis</span></center>
http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/menshealth/facts/paruresis.htm

[fred950]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by David77:
<center><span class="ev_code_RED">"Bashful Bladder" Syndrome - Avoidant Paruresis</span></center>
http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/menshealth/facts/paruresis.htm </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



Interesting. I sometimes 'suffer' from this in a textile setting but never in a nudist setting.


"I don't make any great show of it. I just do it and that's all." Lenny Bruce

[NudeAl]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I after all these years have wondered why it is such a "Big Issue" with you guys and your not being able to take care of business in the presence of others. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not an issue with me. In the military we have to conduct drug testing. The most common method is by urinalysis. In the military we do this diffierently than in civilian life. We must have and observer, IOW somone is standing right there next to you looking at your penis while you go. For females they stand in front of them and must observe the stream of urine going into the cup. If you have never had this experience you might experience stage fright. Having to go is irrelevant it is a case of not being able to pee for reasons of shyness until one is about to burst. This happens to both males and females from time to time. I'm quite happy to say I have never had this problem.

[OZJames]

Fred950 -QUOTE " I sometimes 'suffer' from this in a textile setting but never in a nudist setting."

Fred, I have had a similar reaction as you have had.

Avoidant Paruresis - Nudism- This must be a better cure than :-

# Drug treatment:
# Psychological treatment:
# Self-catheterisation:
as suggested in the above web site.

Nudism - cureof Avoidant Paruresis - Is this reason number 206 to be a nudist ?

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[Sauna]

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[NakedGary]

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