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The other day I read a letter in Dear Abbey from a mother. Her two teenage daughters has attended a girls slumber party and had played strip poker. The host girls mother participated. The writer had always taught her daughters to not be ashamed of their bodies so they saw nothing wrong with playing. The writer was apparently a little disturbed by it. Abbey said she saw nothing wrong with strip poker, but that the mother of the host should not have participated. I think strip poker is a fun game, but would not play with minors were involved either.
The other day I read a letter in Dear Abbey from a mother. Her two teenage daughters has attended a girls slumber party and had played strip poker. The host girls mother participated. The writer had always taught her daughters to not be ashamed of their bodies so they saw nothing wrong with playing. The writer was apparently a little disturbed by it. Abbey said she saw nothing wrong with strip poker, but that the mother of the host should not have participated. I think strip poker is a fun game, but would not play with minors were involved either.
luvnaturism
12-14-2006, 01:35 PM
"Teenage" includes everything from 13 through 19, or from early adolescence to adulthood. If they're all adults and everyone is comfortable with the mother joining in, that's one thing. If they're more like 13 not only should the mother not have joined in, but could likely be charged as a sex offender.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luvnaturism:
"Teenage" includes everything from 13 through 19, or from early adolescence to adulthood. If they're all adults and everyone is comfortable with the mother joining in, that's one thing. If they're more like 13 not only should the mother not have joined in, but could likely be charged as a sex offender. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
This seems to be a strange response for a "nudist".
luvnaturism
12-14-2006, 04:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Liam:
This seems to be a strange response for a "nudist". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Really?
Nothing in the post suggests that either family is nudist. The context suggests the opposite. Also, it's hard for me to think that there would be much point to strip poker for people who are routinely nude in front of each other.
If I'm correct that neither family is nudist, then for the one mother to participate with early adolescents would be way out of line. If the host mother and her daughter are nudists, they still should have informed the mother of the two guest girls.
If, on the other hand, all the girls are in their later teens, no problem.
Also, I didn't mean to imply that the host mother would automatically deserve to be labeled a sex offender, but I'm saying that's the way the world works in the US these days.
Naturist Mark
12-15-2006, 05:54 AM
Sounds like it was an all girls party. This would not have been issue when I was growing up. Quite different if any males were present, but there is no indication of that.
Is same sex female nudity now automatically considered lesbian? ( I don't need to ask about same sex male nudity - the answer is yes, it is automatically considered gay these days.)
-Mark
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luvnaturism:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Liam:
This seems to be a strange response for a "nudist". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Really?
Nothing in the post suggests that either family is nudist. The context suggests the opposite. Also, it's hard for me to think that there would be much point to strip poker for people who are routinely nude in front of each other.
If I'm correct that neither family is nudist, then for the one mother to participate with early adolescents would be way out of line. If the host mother and her daughter are nudists, they still should have informed the mother of the two guest girls.
If, on the other hand, all the girls are in their later teens, no problem.
Also, I didn't mean to imply that the host mother would automatically deserve to be labeled a sex offender, but I'm saying that's the way the world works in the US these days. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You seem to be promoting a different morality for nudists and textiles...is that correct?
Do you think it correct for a nudist to condemn simple nudity?
I understand your thinking about "sex offender" status. I agree.
Perhaps what you desired to communicate was that she showed poor judgement given the situation?
luvnaturism
12-15-2006, 07:44 PM
Sorry, I thought I was being clear.
I consider it inappropriate for an adult to play strip poker with a child/early adolescent. I also think it could easily be judged to be criminal behavior...not saying that I think it SHOULD be, but rather that's the way things are.
I made no moral distinction between nudists and textiles, but observed that there's not much point to strip poker among nudists. Therefore I think it probable that the mother and her daughter are not nudists. If they are, then the mother should have let the other parents know that; failure to do so leads to all sorts of problems. Either way it was a case of very bad judgment.
CCNude
12-15-2006, 10:46 PM
Hey, lighten up, everybody! I was once in a Strip Poker party where one guy was losing so badly that he put a pile of plucked out pubes on the table! The rest of us were (unfortunately) fairly fully clothed....
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luvnaturism:
Sorry, I thought I was being clear. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not completely. There was some doubt in my mind. But I am suspicious by nature. No need to worry about my confusion. I am often confused and ask for additional information in cases like that.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luvnaturism:
Either way it was a case of very bad judgment. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well...yes. This is one of the things I asked you. I thought it was what you probably meant.
Pete Knight
12-16-2006, 12:48 AM
It doesn't matter if they are nudists or not, at least they were comfortable with their own bodies, since when is being naked a sexual offence, its what you do when naked that makes nudity sexual or not! I agree that it is a strange response from a nudist, I thought that promoting nudism would be your aim, not getting uptight about an all female strip poker game.
Anyway, we should be playing 'Dress Poker' so when a player is fully clothed they've lost, and it would feel like loosing too!!
Pete Knight
luvnaturism
12-16-2006, 06:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pete Knight:
...since when is being naked a sexual offence....I thought that promoting nudism would be your aim, not getting uptight about an all female strip poker game. Pete Knight </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
In the US for an adult to lead and participate in strip poker with thirteen year olds would be marginal, questionable activity in any jurisdiction. In some jurisdictions all it would take would be a zealous official and you might suddenly have to prove that you weren't a child molester. If you actually read my posts, you'll see the distinction made between what I think should be and what is in the US.
I couldn't care less about an all-female strip poker game as long as the participants are more or less of similar age. I don't think an adult playing with children is much about promoting naturism.
Naturist Mark
12-16-2006, 08:24 AM
Under Ohio's new law (http://clothesfreeforums.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7400016152/m/2880049464?r=2880049464#2880049464), the mother in this poker game would indeed be a sex offender.
Looks like all the nudist clubs in Ohio will now have to be adults only. Expect lawsuits.
Topfree is still legal. Presumedly.
-Mark
Pete Knight
12-16-2006, 08:54 AM
Whilst I feel very sorry that the PC brigade have taken over your country, I'm also concerned that this is already spreading to the UK (As these things usually do!), it is always the innocent that suffer when these insane laws are introduced.
Mankinds greatest downfall will be mankind.
Pete Knight
Captain Curmudgeon
12-16-2006, 03:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Is same sex female nudity now automatically considered lesbian? ( I don't need to ask about same sex male nudity - the answer is yes, it is automatically considered gay these days.) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Dang, the only strip poker around when I was a kid was same sex male. And none of the participants that I know of (including myself) joined that team.
Damn good thing we were eating corn and wheat and not soy crap. (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327)
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Captain Curmudgeon:
Dang, the only strip poker around when I was a kid was same sex male. And none of the participants that I know of (including myself) joined that team. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Didn't join that team eh? http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/smoking.gif So you are saying you would not be nude in a group of other males? We are about the same age. When I was in my teens, I played strip poker with other males (also with femaile/male mix) and we didn't have a problem with it even though I was the only one who had "joined that team". http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/wink3.gif
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