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sunaddicted

05-29-2003, 05:31 AM

Just returned from the long 4 day Memorial Day weekend at Paradise Lakes and wanted to report that it was a blast. The resort was extremely crowded with a very lively crowd. The average age of the visitors was much closer to Haulovers, ie, 30's to 40's with many younger and older but still very young compared to most nudist resorts we have visited. The resort provided free bloody maries in the morning and there was live music all weekend with two great reggae groups followed by a very good rock group on Sunday and an older act on Monday. Although Paradise has a reputation we found our 4 days there to be wonderful and we did not see anything we do not see at Haulover. We felt we were as close to being on a cruise ship as its possible to get without leaving dry land. We often take cruises and love sitting by the pool and watching the fun, while that was Paradise. I really love this place and recommend it for those people who love resorts and aren't "rustic" types.

sunaddicted

05-29-2003, 05:31 AM

Croydon

05-29-2003, 01:45 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by sunaddicted:
Just returned from the long 4 day Memorial Day weekend at Paradise Lakes and wanted to report that it was a blast. The resort was extremely crowded with a very lively crowd. The average age of the visitors was much closer to Haulovers, ie, 30's to 40's with many younger and older but still very young compared to most nudist resorts we have visited. The resort provided free bloody maries in the morning and there was live music all weekend with two great reggae groups followed by a very good rock group on Sunday and an older act on Monday. Although Paradise has a reputation we found our 4 days there to be wonderful and we did not see anything we do not see at Haulover. We felt we were as close to being on a cruise ship as its possible to get without leaving dry land. We often take cruises and love sitting by the pool and watching the fun, while that was Paradise. I really love this place and recommend it for those people who love resorts and aren't "rustic" types. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Reputation for what??

sunaddicted

05-29-2003, 02:43 PM

Paradise has a reputation, aided by adverse publicity I think in N magazine, as a place beyond the pale of pure naturism, whatever that is. There are nudist venues which do not allow touching with any romantic intent. Or any heavy kissing, or body jewelry, or lingerie shows, or many of the other elements which are present at Paradise. We belong to a nudist resort in Michigan and also frequent another one in Michigan which is open in the winter, and in the first case, we have never seen anyone show up to the pool in stilleto high heels, or 3 people caressing in a pool, or the range of body piercing seen this weekend. In the second case, things are looser but still not on the order of Paradise. Yet, as frequenters of the beaches, nothing we saw this weekend bothered us.

Paradise is a great place if you go prepared to be open-minded and live and let live. You will not see open swinging, or any hint of that, which I think is the reputation I referred to. You will see interesting and fun characters, and also some pretty mean volleyball!

05-30-2003, 09:35 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by sunaddicted:

Paradise is a great place if you go prepared to be open-minded and live and let live. You will not see open swinging, or any hint of that, which I think is the reputation I referred to. You will see interesting and fun characters, and also some pretty mean volleyball! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Hahaha! You just didn't stay up late enough is all. I've seen actual screwing many times in the Conversation Pool after midnight.

Motorcity Nude

05-31-2003, 06:17 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by sunaddicted:
We belong to a nudist resort in Michigan and also frequent another one in Michigan which is open in the winter, and in the first case, we have never seen anyone show up to the pool in stilleto high heels, or 3 people caressing in a pool, or the range of body piercing seen this weekend. In the second case, things are looser but still not on the order of Paradise. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Hi ya Michigander - I'm in a multi-year process of encouraging my wife to open her attitudes towards nudism ... awfully slow process <g> but I digress ...
Could you offer some comments about Michigan resorts?

sunaddicted

06-03-2003, 05:34 AM

It took me a long time but at long last we are very happy taking vacations which include nude opportunities.

Visit Whispering Oaks near Oxford, they have a website www.whisperingoaksresort.com/. (http://www.whisperingoaksresort.com/.) Its a nice place, you can visit 3 times without joining. It is not intimidating. Its on Baldwin Road.

Visit Turtle Lake, open all year. It is very large, and is like a state park. They have a very pleasant beach, a nice indoor pool, and great campground on a lake. Its near Battle Creek. You do not need to join. They are on the web
www.turtle-lake.com/ (http://www.turtle-lake.com/)
Get your wife to go to the concert weekend. We love the motorcycle rally in August, its great fun to watch. Also they have a great Halloween dance, my costume is painted on.

As far as Paradise is concerned, I like to be up very early to jog, and go to sleep early as a result. I don't care to know what happens late night, as long as it doesn't happen around me.

Trailscout

06-03-2003, 07:12 AM

Sunaddicted,

Don't think that by ignoring the problem at Paradise Lakes Swinger Resort that it will not affect you.

The problem lies as much with AANR and it's members as it does with Paradise Lakes management (the owner is not even a nudist). Everyone wants to pretend that they see nothing going on, but the textile world is looking for sleaze spots like this as an excuse to paint the whole nudist world with one brush.

We can't close down Paradise Lakes, but AANR could either force them to clean up or risk losing their AANR affiliation.

As independent nudists we can do our part by not paying for admission to resorts that make no effort to stop public sex and swinging.

If we do nothing, expect anti-nudist bigotry to grow; expect new laws against social nudity.

06-03-2003, 09:16 AM

Paradise Lakes was the area's Chamber of Commerce Business of the Year and is well thought of in this area. All nudist clubs have a few swingers hanging out in their midst, it is just that most clubs keep it more underground than it has been sometimes at Paradise.

People who are not nudists think all our clubs are sex fests and don't know the details and differences between one club and another. Kicking Paradise out of AANR would not change general public opinion at all because none of them even know what AANR is.

Paradise is extremely popular and doing well financially so obviously there is a marketing niche for this type of resort. The nudists and swingers play in harmony and nobody cares what goes on late at night when most aren't looking. I've had enough accounts of people sneaking in hottubs of other clubs late at night for sensual play to know that very many of those family oriented places out there are absolutely no different.

If what was going on at Paradise was so bad they would not have so many people (many nudists on repeat visits) going there every year. Paradise is making money hand over fist and it is growing. I think the numbers tell what people really want. The great majority aren't there for swinging but don't mind that others are.

Is it really public sex so late at night with only a few around? It isn't like they are getting it on right on the dancefloor. It is much more discreet than that.

I think the prudes need to stop trying to dictate to the rest of the nudist population. It is bad enough that non-nudists are doing it. Other nudists need to realize that not every club is going to be exactly what they want it to be. Diversity is here to stay.

sunaddicted

06-03-2003, 09:50 AM

I would agree that Paradise is unlike most other nudist resorts, however it has great appeal because of many other factors. For us its the fact that it is a true resort. While we enjoy going to Turtle Lake which is like a state park, we also like going to a first class resort, with great facilities. Paradise has a wonderful, warm, and crowded pool, with 2 water volley pools, a hot tub and an amazing conversation pool. You can order lunch or a drink and they have great entertainment poolside. We enjoy cruises, and during the Memorial Day weekend, I told my wife I felt like we were on a cruise ship. Thats how great the weekend was.

We have been to Cap D'Agde, where the nights get weird, and the days are amazing, and we have been to Desert Shadows, where we have seen people clearly there to "play". The orient beach website is full of messages of people trying to connect with other people for "fun". However, I still feel that Paradise isn't a sex club, anymore then Desert Shadows isn't a sex club and that it can be a fun vacation for everyone.

Trailscout

06-03-2003, 11:16 AM

Paradise Lakes may be a moneymaker, but so is the Mustang Ranch house of ill repute in Nevada. There is a difference between fame and infamy.

Nudist resorts need a reputation for being wholesome places the whole family can go. Your teens should be able to take a midnight dip and not see the slightest hint of impropriety. Good policing can easily do it, but it takes the courage and willpower first.

I know of resorts that do police their grounds for the benefit of families. They are a breath of fresh air compared to the resorts that wink at perversion. Who knows, maybe public perception of nudist resorts is waiting on nudists to clean up their act. Kicking Paradise and places like Desert Shadows out of AANR could be the beginning of making the remaining AANR affiliates a true "paradise"! Let's do it for our own benefit, and only secondarily for the example it sets to the textile public.

I know of one resort that has many new members who fled another nearby resort because the swinging was winked at by resort management. There are a lot of nudists who don't want to share a hot tub with filthy swingers.
A lot of us are sick of the textile-inspired body shot contests and riske lingerie parties.

I think the perverts and wife swappers need to stop trying to dictate to the rest of the nudist population. It is bad enough that non-nudists are doing it. Other nudists need to realize that not every club is compromising with the devil. You don't have to put up with it!

As to the glamor of the overpriced luxury resorts,
give me an old-fashioned rustic family nudist campground any day. I don't care two hoots in a holler for all that luxury. I want to get back to nature in a place I can pitch my tent, walk through the woods, swim in a lake, play sports in a meadow or enjoy the surf on a beach.

We could do without all the alcohol. I would like to see more nudist venues that stress exercise, natural foods, maybe some yoga and meditation. Smoking should be banned at such places.

Some resorts even have chapels, chaplains, regular prayer services and host Christian revivals in keeping with the spirit of Rev. Ilsey Boone, one of AANR's founders.

06-03-2003, 12:49 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:

Nudist resorts need a reputation for being wholesome places the whole family can go. Your teens should be able to take a midnight dip and not see the slightest hint of impropriety. Good policing can easily do it, but it takes the courage and willpower first. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>So you want all the clubs to be as you dictate them to be huh? Nevermind there are lots of people who like them the way they are? Why not allow the different flavors of clubs and not have them all like a huge rubber stamp? Why should they all be the way you personally want them?
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There are a lot of nudists who don't want to share a hot tub with filthy swingers.
A lot of us are sick of the textile-inspired body shot contests and riske lingerie parties. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Then just don't go to Paradise... go to other clubs that are the flavor you like. Oh, and BTW, swingers aren't filthy. They take showers just like the rest of us. Your bias is showing! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
There are evidently, from the numbers, a lot of nudists that like Paradise the way it is.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>

I think the perverts and wife swappers need to stop trying to dictate to the rest of the nudist population. It is bad enough that non-nudists are doing it. Other nudists need to realize that not every club is compromising with the devil. You don't have to put up with it! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>But they aren't trying to dictate you anyone, you are. It is obvious you can't adopt a live and let live attitude and want to run everyone else's life. Calling people names because they have different beliefs than you isn't very "christian" now is it? When you trash people you chase people away from organized religion because they see what hypocrites you are. You and those like you are the reason there are atheists.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>
We could do without all the alcohol. I would like to see more nudist venues that stress exercise, natural foods, maybe some yoga and meditation. Smoking should be banned at such places.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>But they don't all have to be like that. Why do you want to take away other people'd choices? Why don't you start your own resort and have it as you want it instead of forcing your narrowminded views on the rest of us?

As I said, if you had a valid point about people thinking badly about Paradise how come they were the local Chamber of Commerce Business of the Year?

06-03-2003, 12:54 PM

One more point....

the family oriented club next door has a curfew on how late kids can be out running loose and even if they didn't your teens don't need to be out running around without adult supervision that late at night.

sunaddicted

06-03-2003, 02:57 PM

I guess thats why there are people who like to vacation hiking in the wilderness canyons, and others who like to vacation in the canyons of New York City. Myself, I like them both. However, most of our vacations tend to be very urban places. My favorite nude vacation is Haulover Beach and we stay on South Beach. Rustic, NOT.

My favorite nudist resort would have to be Paradise, again because it is crowded, and a lot of fun. As far as chasing Desert Shadows out of AANR, that is the first time I have ever heard that. It is considered the class act. Again, its located right in the city of Palm Springs, and is the opposite of rustic. There is plenty of room for all of us in the nudist movement and fortunately, there are plenty of choices as far as nude recreation for us to visit.

Thinker

06-04-2003, 09:48 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by cyndiann:
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>So you want all the clubs to be as you dictate them to be huh? Nevermind there are lots of people who like them the way they are? Why not allow the different flavors of clubs and not have them all like a huge rubber stamp? Why should they all be the way you personally want them?
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I believe that there is perhaps a time and a place for just about everything, assuming everyone consents and doesn't harm or negatively affect others who are not interested in that activity.

I am NOT a swinger, but I think the swingers have a right to have resorts/areas where they can go nude and do their thing.

I AM a nudist, and I would like to have resorts/areas where I can go and be nude in a family-oriented, non-sexual environment.

What would be useful for people (especially newbies) in each of these lifestyles would be an organization that stands for specific principles and grants a "seal of approval" so to speak. By having this system AND by having the organization stick to it's principles and periodicly revewing the ratings, people would know what to expect and could choose the resort most appropriate for them.

That is in part what I expect and hope to get from AANR (or similar organizations). If AANR portrays itself as promoting family-oriented, non-sexual nudism, then I would expect any resorts affiliated with AANR to have this philosophy. If the management of a resort wasn't adhering to AANR principles, I'd expect AANR to pressure the management to change policies, etc. or risk losing AANR affiliation.

This is the ideal situation and how it really is for the most part, I suppose. However, the problem in the real world (as I see it) is that neither nudism nor swinging has a large enough group of participants to make a large number of separate resorts economically feasable. Thus the swingers and the nudists often frequent the same facilities, with nudity in common but often times at odds with one another. Nudism (swinging or family-oriented) isn't mainstream in the U.S., and the organizations don't always stick to their guns for monetary reasons.

As an example of this (solely based on things I've read elsewhere so correct me if I'm wrong), AANR is (or has been) reluactant to pull its affiliation with Paradise because it receives a sizable amount of AANR fees from Paradise members. What perhaps AANR does not realize is that by bending its standards, AANR could also lose potential members who visit an AANR affiliated resort but who see things at the resort contrary to AANR's principles.

The bottom line is that I'd like to see nudist resorts affiliated with either swinging organizations or family-oriented, non-sexual nudist organizations, and have that affiliation ACTUALLY MEAN SOMETHING.

Trailscout

06-05-2003, 07:00 AM

Thanks, Thinker!
You live up to your handle with that post.
Quite a few resorts that offer a sexually-charge nude venue are already operating outside AANR. As much as I detest sexualized nude venues, I recognize the sad reality that there will always be a certain demand for that type of environment. Like you, I hate the fact that greed or cowardice is keeping AANR from insisting that all its affiliates comply with AANR and nudist principles.
I think we all hate hypocrisy. Why can't we have family resorts that are unambiguously family places, even at midnight? If a resort winks at swinging, let them admit it!

06-05-2003, 07:44 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Thus the swingers and the nudists often frequent the same facilities, with nudity in common but often times at odds with one another. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually this is a misconception. Most nudists are not swingers and the great majority of swingers are not nudists and not comfortable with social nudity at all. The hybrids that enjoy both are an even smaller subset of the other two groups.

As for drawing lines between one type and the other, it really would not be possible because of the shades of grey in between. Almost all nudist facilities have some swingers present. They may or may not let that be known right at the clubs.

Plus add in more factors relating to sexuality that don't have a thing to do with swinging that might make the atmosphere "more sexually charged" such as lingerie dances (many "family" clubs have them)and the rules governing touching and behavior. I belong to a family club and I've seen women dance nude on the bar while singing karaoke for example. It is late at night and children are not allowed in the bar ever. I've seen sexually oriented jokes told in that same bar. On Saturday nights they have a dance in the rec hall where children aren't allowed and the costumes can be considered sexy. As you can see it is not a black and white issue whatsoever.

That is why just two national organizations can't cover it all. Clubs are all shades of grey and won't solidly fit in one category or the other.

As for Paradise Lakes, AANR needs them lots more than Paradise needs to be a part of AANR. I think you are correct in your assumption about the two of them. There are many sucessful clubs out there that don't belong to AANR.

AANR is losing membership these past few years no matter that they manipulate the numbers to make it appear they are growing. Many of those members (like me) are forced into it by the clubs they join. If not for that ANNR would not be afloat. The reorganization AANR is about to undergo is a last ditch attempt at getting their act together and since it provides absolutely no benefits to individual members I don't see it as a viable option, but that is an entirely different thread.

Trailscout, I'm waiting for you to answer back to my reply to your post. You were pretty much rude calling people ugly names. That isn't what this board is about, you know. Are you not able to counter my points?

Trailscout

06-05-2003, 08:32 AM

Cyndiann,
I have addressed some of your opinions partially, but since you insist, I'll take your questions point by point:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by cyndiann:
[QB] So you want all the clubs to be as you dictate them to be huh? Nevermind there are lots of people who like them the way they are? Why not allow the different flavors of clubs and not have them all like a huge rubber stamp? Why should they all be the way you personally want them?
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I want all clubs within AANR to conform to AANR ideals of providing a non-sexually charged family environment.
Clubs that want titillation, wink at swinging or even forbid nudity are free to do so, just not under the banner of non-sexual nudity.

I never accused you of impropriety. I made some very general remarks that probably don't apply to your personal conduct, so don't feel insulted, please!

You also said, "there are evidently, from the numbers, a lot of nudists that like Paradise the way it is".

You are correct, I am sure, but that does not prove that Paradise belongs in AANR. Many people feel that it is not a worthy goal that AANR compromise its core values in order to retain numbers. Better that they take a stand for their own principles. If that results in a much smaller AANR, we can do more with a few committed people of principle than we can with hordes of undisciplined barbarians. It is never wise to let the rabble set your standard of decency. AANR leaders should set a high standard and challenge people to follow it.

You suggest that I "...want to run everyone else's life." I am just one of many who are demanding that AANR live out its own principles.
Demanding that AANR resorts provide a family atmosphere or cease calling themselves family resorts is not hypocrisy.

If you are an atheist or if you believe in God, I hope that you do not make that decision because one or two people in your life said something that you disagree with or even hurt your feelings.

If there is a God, this spirit is far wiser and kinder than any creature that walks the earth.

Well, enough for now. If you have any specific questions that didn't get addressed, remind me and I will comment either here or in some other thread.

We don't agree on a lot of stuff, but I am not blind to the good things you are doing to protect the rights of Florida nudists that will ultimately benefit clothesfree people everywhere. Thanks!

florida-david

06-05-2003, 08:46 AM

i agree that the resorts should state what they are like wthout pretending they are something else. if AANR has some christian-thinking-holier-than-though beliefs, than they should change their name, state their beliefs clearly, alienate people, and not allow sexual oriented clubs as members.

i have only been to one resort, but i would have been surprised if the club allowed sexual activity late at night without me knowing it was that type of club. when i go somewhere with my little kids, we often hit the pool late at night (they are not old enough to roam on their own yet), and i would not want to see sexual activity with my little ones around. not that i'm a prude, since sex is natural amongst all animals, i would just want to know where it occurs so i can make educated decisions for my family.

now if i knew the club allowed this late at night or in certain areas of the resort, i could act accordingly. personally, i do not think swingers are filthy, nor do i subscribe to 90% of christian beliefs. as long as they were not swinging in the pool, than they are as clean as the rest of us (you should always shower first before entering any nude water activity, wether you were swinging or having a little fun with your mate).

please do not force your views on the rest of us non-christians. once again, thanks to cyndiann for sticking up for the minority.

Trailscout

06-05-2003, 09:06 AM

David,

AANR policy doesn't demand that resorts be "holier than thou" or follow Christian teachings. The only thing they say is that member resorts offer a non-sexually charged environment for their guests. If that's not the case, then they need to be honest about it and admit that some of their member resorts have sexually-charged events at certain times, some of their member resorts are sexually-charged all the time, and some are more family oriented.
I think that it would be simpler if resorts that want to offer "adult" entertainment function independently or form their own association.

Let AANR offer what it historically has stood for: member resorts that are non-sexual places.

This thread is not the place to discuss how you feel about adultery and fornication. AANR and Resort honesty about what they stand for is germaine.

AANR affiliation is a priviledge given at the discretion of AANR leadership and is not a right. On the other hand, many sexually-promiscuous clubs clothing-optional or otherwise do just fine without being tied unecessarily to AANR.

sunaddicted

06-05-2003, 08:05 PM

When I started this thread I just wanted to express my delight in the weekend at Paradise Lakes. Unfortunately it has become a religious forum and an AANR berating tool. Frankly, Paradise is a lot of fun, has sports, great facilities, and has a youthful atmosphere. I do not have a problem with the AANR having them in their group of resorts. In Michigan we have a couple of places which openly appeal to swingers. Their websites have swinger links. They do not belong to AANR.

The AANR and the Naturist Action Committee of the TNS are very important due to the everpresent zeal of the far religious right to take away our freedom to be nude. They need our support.

florida-david

06-05-2003, 08:38 PM

oops, i think i went over board again.... splash, drown. sorry if i offended anyone, but i do think that resorts should express there true motivation so ignorant people with young kids (like myself) know what to expect before we get there. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Trailscout

06-05-2003, 09:06 PM

Sunaddicted,

I have discovered that my best friends are the ones who can take me aside and give me honest criticism. Sometimes my worst enemies try to butter me up with flattery before they stab me in the back. I love AANR. I love what it stands for and I want it to do even better.

I don't doubt that you had fun at Paradise. I imagine that the creepy crawlies don't come out until late at night when good folks are asleep in bed. Still, I don't want to give them a penny until they become family friendly, singles friendly and are vigilent to boot the swingers and exhibitionists out whenever they pop up, even at midnight.

wannabenaked2001

06-06-2003, 01:08 AM

I think there is a limit on that which a resort can control what happens within their gounds. Human beings are sexual by nature. I agree that blantant sexual atmosphers should be banned from nudist/naturists resorts, but I still don't want the management/big brother looking over my shoulder. I am happily married and we are not swingers, but if I am out wondering around late at night and come upon a small group of people engaging in other activities, I would simply walk away ( or maybe stay and watch......no I didn't just say that). /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I do expect that the people involved in such activities would keep them VERY low key. Aside from their personal pleasures, they/we must make an effort to promote nudism in a wholesome light. Otherwise none of us get our way!

06-06-2003, 06:24 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
David,

AANR policy doesn't demand that resorts be "holier than thou" or follow Christian teachings. The only thing they say is that member resorts offer a non-sexually charged environment for their guests. If that's not the case, then they need to be honest about it and admit that some of their member resorts have sexually-charged events at certain times, some of their member resorts are sexually-charged all the time, and some are more family oriented. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Any club that has a dance has "sexually charged" events. People are sensual and sexual and going through the gate of a nudist facility doesn't make them neutered.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>
I think that it would be simpler if resorts that want to offer "adult" entertainment function independently or form their own association.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Black and white thinking again.... just because a few people, late at night when the rest are asleep, get frisky in the hotub is no reason to give the entire club such a label. The great majority of people staying there aren't involved in what is going on and it doesn't happen every night.

06-06-2003, 11:19 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
Sunaddicted,

I don't doubt that you had fun at Paradise. I imagine that the creepy crawlies don't come out until late at night when good folks are asleep in bed. Still, I don't want to give them a penny until they become family friendly, singles friendly and are vigilent to boot the swingers and exhibitionists out whenever they pop up, even at midnight. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Because they belong to AANR does not mean they have to aim their marketing at families. Paradise has chosen to market to older couples, empty nesters, retirees. There is nothing wrong with that. Not every resort needs to have mandatory playgrounds and children's activities.

Paradise is very much NOT singles friendly although singles are welcome to buy memberships as are families.

Trailscout

06-06-2003, 01:12 PM

Cyndiann,
Thanks for shedding some light on the type of guest they cater to, although I do wonder how got Sunaddicted got the impression that Paradise Lakes "has a youthful atmosphere". Since you are a Florida resident, I would lend greater weight to your opinion.

I do not think that it is necessary that every resort target young families with children, but I would hate to see all resorts adopt the same couples-without-children strategy. Young families are often too cash-poor for a real upscale resort anyway, but traditional nudist campgrounds have historically been a great way to socialize children into nudism, provide a peer group for them, etc. I don't mean to denigrate backyard nudity, but I think that social nudity strongly reinforces the nudism kids learn at home.

I would surprized if I found my future wife in a nudist resort. I have met a few single ladies, but nowhere near the numbers I can find in other social outlets. I am in a singles hiking club and women often outnumber the men on our hikes. I have already met a lady who was open to social nudity. Last time I saw her, she was hard at work explaining to another female friend of mine what this social nudism stuff is all about.

I am more of a naturist nudist, (hiker and beach skinnydipper), but I do enjoy occasional Saturdays at a nudist resort. It would be really nice to bring a date along rather than going stag.