how to NOT tell a friend

[Kristin]

I think most people's first question when they get into nudism is how to tell their friedns and family, but I have the opposite problem.

For those of you who haven't read my previous posts, I'm 14 and a pretty avid nudist. In fact, I haven't worn any clothes at all in 10 days. I'm pretty experienced at telling my friends, but I'm careful to only tell the ones that I know can keep a secret.

So my problem comes in this weekend, when I go wilderness camping with one of my friends and her family. Now there's no doubt in my mind that if I was going with my family that I would spend the vast majority of the time naked. However, I can't tell this friend that I'm a nudist because she couldn't keep a secret if her life depended on it.

I really don't want to blow this opportunity to be nude in the wilderness. So how do I ask them if I can go naked without telling them that I'm a naturist?

[Kristin]

I think most people's first question when they get into nudism is how to tell their friedns and family, but I have the opposite problem.

For those of you who haven't read my previous posts, I'm 14 and a pretty avid nudist. In fact, I haven't worn any clothes at all in 10 days. I'm pretty experienced at telling my friends, but I'm careful to only tell the ones that I know can keep a secret.

So my problem comes in this weekend, when I go wilderness camping with one of my friends and her family. Now there's no doubt in my mind that if I was going with my family that I would spend the vast majority of the time naked. However, I can't tell this friend that I'm a nudist because she couldn't keep a secret if her life depended on it.

I really don't want to blow this opportunity to be nude in the wilderness. So how do I ask them if I can go naked without telling them that I'm a naturist?

[Stewey]

Well, if there's a swimmable lake nearby, you could always use the excuse that you want to go swimming but forgot to pack your bathing suit. Just tell them that you'd like a little privacy while you swim in the buff.

[wannabenaked2001]

Kristin, I loved your story! I think the previous post had good advice with forgetting your suit. Many people look at skinny-dipping far more lightly than the label of "nudist" or "naturist".

Also, check out this site. Some great stories, you may want to add your own to the message board. I do not encourage the streaking!
http://www.geocities.com/sunnydaynew/

JimSunny Day (http://www.geocities.com/sunnydaynew/)

[wannabenaked2001]

Sorry, I did not mean to imply that I am Sunny Day. I am still figuring out some of the internet stuff.

Jim

[Bob S.]

I, too agree with Dukhat and Sr. wannabe with suggesting the skinny-dipping session. But I wouldn't suggest going swimming alone.

But realize that if this friend of yours cannot keep a secret, then going naked around her may be too much for her to keep to herself. You need to decide which is more important to you, your privacy or your enjoyment of nudism.

And you haven't told us the make up of the camping party that will be accompanying you. Who exactly is going from your friend's family? Her father? brothers? This would definitely alter any advice I would give to you. And what is their stance on nudism?

Anyway, consider yourself a lucky girl to have so many opportunities to be yourself and seemingly mature enough to enjoy them with your parents' trust.

Bob S.

[Andrew_A]

Hi Kristen,

The skinny-dipping idea may work while you are engaged in it. Some of the others, if not all, may feel comfortable enough to join you. However, if you feel this approach might work as breaking the ice for you to be nude for the remainder of your stay, post-skinny-dipping, I'm not sure how you would explain that. If the rest put their clothes back on after the swim and you don't, what might they think? You may have to tell them then. Maybe even use light-hearted humor to make them be at ease, like; "Just so you know, I don't feel at all uncomfortable with you guys wearing clothes." Hm-m. Hard one. Play it carefully.

Andrew

[Kristin]

Answering Bob's questions:
1. I want to be as careful as I can, but I think that in this situation enjoying the outdoors in the nude is more important than keeping a secret. But I'm not sure, and probably won't find out till we get there.
2. It's just me, my friend, and her mother and father.
3. I have no idea what their stance and nudism is.

And also, Andrew, no offense, but how can you spell my name wrong when it's right on the top of the page? /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Well, I'll let you know what happens, but that's not for another two or three days. Feel free to give me more input.

[Stewey]

In Andrew's defense, if I had a nickel for every time someone on this board spelled things wrong...well, I'd have a boatload of nickels.

What I'd really like to know is (and no offense, Kristin, as I've seen this before with other new members) just how in the world does a new member with only four or five posts to their name get a five-star rating that quickly? I've been posting here for nine months, with over 200 posts, and I only have three stars.

Not that I'm losing sleep over this or anything. Just curious...

[Kristin]

It's pretty simple. I only have two votes, and you have 15.

But (no offense) can we please stay on topic?

[Stewey]

Well no offense right back to you, Kristin, but your "simple" response still doesn't explain why you have more stars than I do. As a matter of fact, I'm even more confused. Basically what you're saying is that you have more stars than I do because you have less votes. That doesn't make too much sense to me.

[Kristin]

It hasn't had time to average out. You can't base how good I am on only two people's opinions. Fifteen, maybe, but frankly I think the whole ratings system is useless. I wasn't saying that the REASON I had five stars was because only two people rated me, it was not to assume that it means everyone thinks I'm five-star and you're three.

Now to get back on topic, anyone have any ideas besides skinny-dipping, because I'm not even sure there's water nearby.

[Stewey]

OK, I suppose.

BTW, it's about 1:45 PM here in Maryland, which is of course the same time as in NC. Being fourteen, shouldn't you be in school right about now? /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Naked Bob 2]

You could try the old it's to hot to wear clothes routine. Maybe you could perhaps not pack any shorts or cool light outfits saying you thought it would be much colder. Then you could ask if anyone minded if you go naked due to the heat. It might work for a while but I suspect you will have to eventually tell them. I'm sure the would figure it out eventually.

You might also extend your skinny dipping time by saying you want to air dry or that you forgot to pack a towel. Or just that you want to work on your tan and to avoid getting any tan lines.

[Nude_Dude_Runner]

I think you should just tell them. Make sure that they know this is the way you are at home as well.

I inform people that I HATE clothing. It's a waste of time. And I tell them about the nude race I did and how it was not a big deal. People will often be as comfortable with it as you are.


Now she has three votes and STILL five stars!

N_D_R

[Kristin]

First, Dukhat, I'm not at school because it's the end of July, you know, summer break. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

And to Nude Runner, first, thanks for your vote. Second, no I will not just come out and tell them that I am a nudist. My problem is not whether they are comfortable or not, but who my friend tells when school opens back up. If they catch me skinny-dipping or streaking and pressure me to tell them why, then I will, but I can't just say "Hey, I'm a nudist, can I take off my clothes now?" Not only would it be blowing my secret before I have to, but it would also be a bit too forward for my liking.

[Andrew_A]

Sorry, Kristin. You're right. I did misspell your name. And I'm someone who likes to get people's names correct. I can understand why I misspelled it; I have a friend whose name is Kristen and I believe that might be the more common spelling of it. Still, it's a nice name however you spell it. If it's any consolation, I used to get _her_ name mixed up with another girl I know whose name is Kirsten.

Now I'll try and redeem myself by offering you more possible solutions to your dilemma.

How about suggesting to them that they bring some sketch pads with them so that you can model for them (which they would find out later would be in the nude but you wouldn't have to explain at length that such presentation is the norm for such art). If they don't have any supplies, you might consider supplying some yourself and try to make it like an impromptu artists' retreat regardless of whether or not they want to take turns posing nude themselves.

When you decide to stay nude after posing (and if they inquire why) you can always say that since they've already seen you nude, you've got nothing else to be embarrassed about and you might as well stay like that for comfort's sake. After all, the show Survivor has never been about keeping your dress clean.

Regardless of what ploy you use to initially 'get naked' and stay that way, you've got to make them believe that this is the first time you've ever tried something like this. Otherwise, if they suspect this is a common practice of yours', they might very well suspect you of naturism.

This next idea may be rather far-reaching and I don't want it misinterpreted as being unkind but if you still feel your friend might rat on you come school, you could always say something like (while you're nude with her on the trip); "Boy, hope nobody catches us. If word gets out about this, they might suspect us of lesbianism."
If your friend's straight and would be paranoid about such a rumor spreading amongst school mates, your comment might supplant in her mind the resolve to keep her mouth shut about it altogether.

Well that's 'my' 2 cents, Kristin. Actually, it's more like 6 cents......I see naked people....

Andrew /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Bob S.]

If you really want to go naked while camping, I would suggest talking to your friend's parents, especially her mother, that you want to be naked during the trip. Maybe you could even get your parents to help you talk with her parents. It's either that or surprise them by disrobing.

The way I see it, you are trying to have your cake and eat it, too. You want to be naked while camping with your friend, but have her not find out about it so as to not talk about it.

And you may want to have a serious heart-to-heart talk with your friend and explain to her that friends who can keep secrets are more valuable (or whatever words you want to use). Also, to allow her to talk about this secret, you could tell her who else knows about your favorite pasttime so that she doesn't have to keep it bottled up forever and has a "safe outlet" to unload her thoughts and feelings.

And realize that you may not be able to go naked during this camping trip. For all you know, there may be others camping nearby and of course, your friend's family may be dead set against it.

One more thing, realize that being 14, it is illegal for you to be naked in public. I'm not trying to scare you, just letting you know. But I wouldn't worry about that too much as the authorities are not a lot more flexible when it comes to simple nudity and there would need to be a complaint.

Some things to think about. Good luck. You sound like a mature and very intelligent girl (but I don't rate people here, so you won't gain any stars from me) /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Bob S.

[Gary Naturist]

Here's a couple of thoughts:

I appreciate your problem with your friend. Teens like to have news/gossip to bring to their friends, and she might well see this as juicy gossip. However, maybe your friends will think that your being a nudist is cool.

Given that you are an avid nudist, and spend much of your time home naked, I expect that you have built up enough confidence in the rightness of nudism to withstand some teasing from your friends.

If you don't want to tell your friend and her parents at first, I agree that suggesting skinny-dipping is a good way to gauge their possible reaction to nudity in general.

On this trip, because there are three of them and only one of you, it's a bit like being at their house. In the past, even though I'm an avid nudist, I have not pushed being nude at non-nudist friends' house. I don't want to put them in an awkward position in their own home.

If you tell them that you're a nudist and want to be nude, watch their reaction closely. If they seem to be entirely OK with it, then go for it; otherwise, maybe think twice about imposing nudity on them.

Gary

[Trailscout]

I have met quite a few people who would be shocked if you suggested that they become nudists, but would gladly go skinnydipping with a friend if they thought it was a fairly private place. That includes me (in my pre-nudist days) and several of my friends and family members.

If your friend blabbed at school this fall that you and she went skinny-dipping at the lake last summer, it may get a few chuckles, but that's it, no harm done. But think how much good it would do. Maybe a lot more of your friends at school will be jealous and try skinnydipping next summer! They may tease you a little, but most people would think you and your friend were cool and brave.

I think it is likely to be a bad idea to try nudity all around the campground, though.

[Stewey]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>First, Dukhat, I'm not at school because it's the end of July, you know, summer break. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah, yes, of course. How silly of me. It's just that when you're a working man like me, there's no such thing as a summer break. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[NakedCharm]

Play a game of Truth or Dare. When your friend picks Dare, tell her to spend the whole weekend nude. When she refuses, tease her about being a chicken. In response, she will ask you to do it. Reluctantly agree to it and strip naked. Act embarrassed whenever someone sees you and try to avoid being seen at all costs. In this way, if your friend ever spilled the beans, the incident would be seen as a funny embarrassing event that you regretted doing. People would most probably find it amusing not disgusting or weird. If she is really your friend though, she would not say anything seeing as how embarressed you were and would probably feel guilty making you go through that.

[FireProf]

Kristin,

Here's another idea. If your afraid of this friend telling everyone else in school that you're a nudist, then go camping with them and "grin and don't bare it". Keep your clothes on and wait for the next opportunity to go nude camping with someone that's a nudist or you can trust to keep your secret.

If you do not trust this particular friend to keep a secret about your nudism, then anything you do to be naked during this camping trip with be everyones business.

Good luck, hope it works out for you.

/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[barebody]

Kristen,

If I were in your place, I would bring up the subject of skinny dipping to my friend's family- telling how my grandfather used to mention it and how it used to seem like much more typical thing done back in those days. I would ask their perspective of it; and, if negative, ask what they think happened between then and now- how did it change from something typical and OK to something viewed negatively?
To keep your friend from spreading the secret, before I let her know I was definitely going to do it, I would ask her if she would want to try it with me. I'd tell her not to be afraid because I wouldn't let anyone know. In turn, I'm sure an agreement would be made that neither of us say anything. She would stay silent about it because she knows if word went out that I did it, it could/would be revealed that she did it as well- thus; she'd be protecting herself by not telling anyone.

Have fun camping; and, Good Luck.

Yours truly naked,
Barebody

[Kristin]

Well, I'm getting ready to go now. I think the ideas I like most are playing Truth or Dare and of course skinny-dipping, especially if I can get her to skinny-dip, too. I had to pack my suit though because my parents checked and I couldn't tell them how much scheming was going into this trip.

The art idea was cool, but neither of us are really into it that much, so it would just be weird if I suddenly showed an interest and brought art supplies.

I don't really care about the law that much, because I'm not going to go nude if there are other people nearby (besides my friend and her family).

Well, that's all for now. If you have more advice, feel free to post it anyway, because I'm sure it will help someone else. I'll post what happens when I get back (probably Monday around this time), whether it involves nudity or not.

[Kristin]

Well, I'm back, and it took some Academy Award deserving acting, but I was naked. I had to play the role of a minor germaphobe, demanding the ability to take a shower miles from running water. Thus, my friend's parents had her accompany me on a mile hike to the river aka creek.

I call it a creek instead of a river because it was extremely narrow and shallow. Standing up even in the deepest part, the water only reached mid-thigh, and it was almost impossible to cover my breasts in almost any position without drowning myself.

After a while of her watching me bathe, knowing I was completely visible to her, I asked if she wanted to come into the water. After explaining that she left her bathingsuit at the campsite, I laughed. "That didn't stop me did it." A little reluctantly, but with a smile on her face, she stripped naked and joined me.

That was the only time I was naked aside from (ironically) changing into and out of bathingsuits, which me and my friend did in front of each other, but away from the adults. I think my secret is safe. After all, I was just bathing, she was the one skinny-dipping. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[wannabenaked2001]

That was very inventive! I may use that my self. I'm really glat things worked out for you. By the way, did your friend have anything to say about skinny-dipping either during or after your bath (I mean now that she has tried it)?

Jim /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Kristin]

She didn't say anything. She did seem to enjoy it, though not any more or less than she would have enjoyed swimming with a suit on.

[NakedCharm]

Something must be wrong with her if she finds skinnydipping to be the same as swimming with a suit. The two feel completely different. Maybe she just won't admit to you how much she enjoyed it. Also why was she watching you bath anyway.

[Andrew_A]

Well done, Kristin. You handled that situation as naturally as you could. And you're right; you were just bathing as you were. It's rather odd that we have to slap all these labels on the very act of recognizing our true selves. Skinny-dipping, nudism, naturism and all that crap. It's just us being us. And yet some people make such a big deal out of it they feel they have to slap some kind of label upon it. Ridiculous. The best way to put it is, whenever possible...stay as you are.

Andrew

[Bob S.]

Kristin,

I, too, love the way you handled it, even turning the tables where she was the one who was doing all of the skinny-dipping, with you just "bathing."

My question is have you two talked since the camping trip? Has she talked about it to you?

Have a nice nude August. Just think, school is just around the corner.

Bob S.

[Frank R]

Kristin,

I think you should be quite proud of yourself as you showed a maturity beyond your years. I have no doubt you will be able to handle whatever comes your way with the same grace and tact that your have already demonstrated. Wish you the best of success with your going nude in the future, whatever the occasion.

[Kristin]

Well, here's an update like they do on those stupid talk shows. You know, after the show...

It's amazing that no one mentioned that my friend was bound to notice my perfect tan from head to toe and literally everything in between. I'm surprised she didn't say anything while we were there, because she was incredibly well-tanned too, but with some very pale and very crisp bikini lines.

For a week, we didn't talk about skinny-dipping or my tan. This past Sunday, she called to say that her dad got some time of work and that they were going to go again for like a week on Wednesday. I asked if I could come along again, I even asked if my ?germophobia? was going to be a problem. Of course I could come, and this time we would camp right on the water. (Heaven.) When I heard that, I was planning on sneaking out and skinny-dipping every night. The first night I was too tired though, and the next day I didn?t have to. My friend was too shy I guess, so at breakfast, her parents asked me how I got rid of my tan lines. After quickly examining three things?one, I didn?t want to get caught in a lie; two, I couldn?t think of any good lies; three, if she was too shy to confront me about nudity, she wasn?t going to spread rumors?I decided to tell the truth, but not the whole truth. ?I never had ?em. My parents let me suntan naked in the backyard.

My friend was intrigued, so she asked her parents and they agreed to let us tan naked. We decided that we would skinny-dip after breakfast and keep our clothes off if we (meaning she) wanted to. She had very little problem being naked where only her parents and best friend could see, although she became a little self-conscious when it came to doing anything besides swimming, sunbathing, and eating. (Although that?s pretty much all we did.) We went on four hikes: two clothed, one topless, and one nude except for socks and boots. I always followed her lead, never wearing more or less clothes than her, but that still meant being nude a majority of the time, and she got the perfect tan she was jealous of.

When we were in the car on the way home, we finally actually talked about nudity. She asked how I convinced my parents to let me tan nude, and I decided to come clean. ?They always let me. I hardly ever wear clothes at home.?
?Really? That?s weird.?
?I know, but that?s the way I live.?

I was impressed because she wasn?t turned off at all when I actually used the word nudist later. She called me weird again, but that?s all. (I don?t mind, I?m weird in other ways, too.) We?re inviting her to our Labor Day barbecue as a thank you for taking me on the camping trips. It?s up to her whether she wants to show off her perfect tan to my family, but I know I?ll be sporting mine.

P.S. While we're on the subject of tanning, everyone always notices the Coppertone girl's bare bottom, but has anyone ever noticed that she's also topless?

Well, good for you, Kristin! You just may turn your friend into a full fledged nudist yet! She will eventually wonder why she was so reluctant to go nude. The next step would be to get her and her family to go with you and your family to a nudist resort. Good luck. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[beavis]

Kristin, first let me state that I have thoroughly enjoyed your posts - so well articulated and written - well done. Also glad to see how events evolved to get you where you wanted to be with your friend and her family. Hopefully, your direct and honest approach will continue to serve you well. You are a jewel, and your writings have enrichened us. Thank You. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Bob S.]

Kristin,

I love those bathing suit tan lines. At White Tail Park I have seen many women and girls (mainly girls) with those "flesh suits" on. I think it looks so funny as it shows their suits while they are naked.

You are proceeding the best way possible. You are letting her lead the way while giving her the occasional push every once in a while. This is how to get people to enjoy nudism. You should be giving advice to other teens in your position.

And yes, I have noticed the Copportone girl's toplessness. The thing is that I work with kids (preschool through elementary) and, though some of them have seen that bottle and brought it in to the day care, not one of them has giggled or even mentioned it.

Bob S.

[Frank R]

I remember seeing a cartoon once that said "We have met the enemy and they is us! In a way, we are where homosexuals were 50 years, in the closet so to speak. Notice how almost all of us are afraid to revel our full names or even our email address in many cases. Blacks in the 50's and 60's drew attention to their problems. Homosexuals drew attention to their problems starting in the 70's. Yet, as nudist, we are fearful of people finding out that we "run around with no clothes on" as if we are ashamed of ourselves and our "dark deep secret". It may be that we just need to "come out of the closet" and revel to the world that there are nudist who are not "swingers" and that the vast majority of us are not hedonist. Kristin is only 14, yet in many ways, I think she has more courage than many of us, myself included. I am a born again Bible believing Christian who knows beyond the shadow of a doubt that being a nudist is not sinful. Yet do I stand on the roof top and tell the world about it? I must confess that I do not but I am working to that point. I am asking all of you to at least think about telling anyone and everyone that you are nudist. Invite them to join you in being nude. I must confess that Kristin's post about appearing in front of her friends nude ("just got out of the shower") shows a lot more courage than I believe most of us adults have. /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[Kristin]

Thank you Frank, I am pretty courageous aren't I. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif However, even I am not without faults. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

In case you haven't noticed (or I haven't made it clear), any of the friends I've mentioned in any of my posts are all female. (Except for the two nudist families I've mentioned, each has a boy 7 years younger than me.) I'm fine at the beaches or resorts, but when it comes to one of my boy friends (2 words) from school, I would die before I even mentioned nudism, much less strip naked.

I'm sorry to go off topic, especially after I put in the little rolling-eyes smiley /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif whenever anyone else does, but does any one have any tips on how I can bridge the gender gap?

[gamblefish]

I truly believe, Kristin, that you have wisdom beyond your years and your handling of your situation is first class. As old as I am...I am getting some good pointers from you!!

Frank R.> I agree with you that we should not have to hide what we do but how do you go about telling friends and family? I, too, am working on coming out of said closet but it is a slow process. So far, only my wife and my son know. I couldn't see telling my parents but this is not a problem for now as they are 3,000 miles away. People at work would harass me to no end. We don't have too many friends that we see on a regular basis so telling them may also be difficult. For now I pray for opportunities to let people know about my little secret. I am planning on letting one good friend of mine know by surprising him next time he comes over...don't know if he can handle it or not.
He may freak on me...oh, well. Whatever. Nevermind......................

[Frank R]

Actually Kristin, I had assumed that the friends you mentioned were girls. Maybe I am old fashioned but I did not think your parents would allow you to be nude of front of a boy from school even if you wanted to. At 14, you show more courage than many of us who are many times your age. I just pray that you can keep this lovely spirit for as long as you live.
Gamblefish - I never even meant to imply that it would be easy. It isn't. An example is that my being nude does not bother my daughter any but it does her boyfriend so if he wants to visit, my wife makes me either get dressed or go to the bedroom! (I guess you can see who runs my house /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ) At least writing my previous post did give me the courage to update my profile to include my name. I can't see asking others to do something I was afraid to do myself. I also found out something about MSN. You can use the words "gay" and "homosexual" in your profile but not the word "nude". As a Christian nudist, I find that quite odd. /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[gamblefish]

Frank R>That is odd...I guess nudists are not politically correct yet! Of course, neither are Christians, I guess that makes us two-time weirdos!! Anyway,like you, I am going to try to let more people know (or maybe more likely "find out") about my relaxed attitude toward clothing...or lack thereof. Unfortunately my wife does not yet share in my beliefs and so going nude around company will probably be very limited. I do not think I would be very comfortable being the only nude in a room of clothed persons anyway...but I plan to make my home clothing optional to visitors (if my wife will let me!!). How does your wife feel about nudity? Did she accept your choice readily? I am assuming from your posts that she is NOT nudist, forgive me if I am wrong.

[Frank R]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Unfortunately my wife does not yet share in my beliefs and so going nude around company will probably be very limited. I do not think I would be very comfortable being the only nude in a room of clothed persons anyway...but I plan to make my home clothing optional to visitors (if my wife will let me!!). How does your wife feel about nudity? Did she accept your choice readily? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No, while my wife does not share my beliefs about being nude all the time when I am home, she wants guest to feel comfortable so if they do not object, I can remain nude. Like you, it does make me feel uncomfortable being the only one nude but I have and intend to continue being nude hoping at least some of the guests may embrace nudity. I believe that it would far easier for a guest to go nude if the host or hostess is nude. However, I must confess I do not let the people at work know I am a nudist. Someday I may "come out" and tell them about it but a big part of my reason is that I am a manager, most of my employees are female, so a sexual harrassment charge would be possible. I can certainly do without that /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Trailscout]

Kristin,

I know of a girl who could help you figure out how to tell a boyfriend about your nudism. She goes by the name, Sunny Day. She is 22 years old and has her own message board and Web site, Sunny Day's Web Page (http://www.geocities.com/sunnydaynew/).

She once told me that she got to know her boyfriend real well before she decided to tell him about being a nudist. But talk directly to her and get some more advice. There's a right way and a wrong way to do what you want to do.

As I've mentioned, I have a 27-year-old nephew living with me who I gradually got accustomed to my nudity so that I go nude ALL the time in the house. However, he didn't want me to be nude in front of his 10-year-old son for fear the boy would go home and say to his mother, "Uncle runs around naked in the house all the time when I'm there." My nephew was afraid of what his ex might make out of that and do about it. I respected his wishes.

However, I'm tired of having to sit in my own house with shorts on for fear of what his ex MIGHT say or do. This last weekend when he brought his son to the house on Friday night I said, "I don't feel like getting dressed." I didn't and haven't heard anything about it. I plan on NOT getting dressed more often when his son is here. If my nephew, his ex, or his son doesn't like it, he can take his son somewhere else for the weekend. The boy is totally obnoxious, rebellious, and disrespectful of adults, anyway. He is extremely hyper and is on medication for it, which does very little if any good. I love the boy; he's my great nephew, but he's not very likable. I miss him when I don't see him for a long time, but he gets on my nerves worse than any child I've ever been around. The older he gets the more hyper he gets. He's worse now than he was at age 5.

I'm getting more bold about telling people that I'm a nudist because it just seems so natural to tell them--as natural as saying I'm a Christian. I'm slowly reaching the point where I don't care what others think about it. The only one whose thoughts about nudity matter to me are God's. Be nude and have fun. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[gamblefish]

Great posts FrankR and Jon-Marc.

I gotta ask you Jon...Would you do differently if your nephew had a daughter instead of a son?

I have a similar situation. My son is 13 and lives with my ex. They live very close-3 blocks away-and he pops over unexpectedly all the time. I do not cover up when he comes over but I would not want my ex to know about this as she is a trouble-maker. I'm thinking about inviting him to join me nude sometime but would only do this in the abscence of my (2nd) wife.

When my nephew was married to his son's mother, he had a step-daughter. Although I was sometimes nude in my bedroom with the door open when she was here, I never actually went nude in front of her except when she was asleep. She had to sleep on the sofa as his son has to do.

No, I never went nude in front of her--particularly after he told me that she had a bad habit of accusing men of things that didn't happen. She's a little strange. She's now a teen.

Even if he had a daughter of his own, I wouldn't run around nude in front of her unless he and she both agreed to it. Even then I would be afraid of what her mother might say or do if she found out.

Despite what we believe about nudity--that there's nothing vile or indecent about it--the law says otherwise, and so do most people. No matter how much we want to have the right to go nude whenever and wherever we want, we don't and can't.

This is a 10-year-old boy not a 10-year-old girl. His ex-step-daughter has seen at least one nude man who exposed himself to her in his home. I don't know what his motive was.

I have no desire to be arrested for "exibitionism" or "indecent exposure" to a minor. I may not run around totally nude in the house when his son is here since neither of is a nudist, and the boy isn't used to nudity--not even with his dad. The boy said one time when he was here--he's here every other weekend--that after he took his shower he was going to stay nude. He didn't so he apparently chickened out.

Just as I got my nephew used to my nudity gradually, even to the point of going once to Turtle Lake Resort with me, I will do the same with his son so that he won't even give it a second thought. His son asked me if he could go to Turtle Lake with me, but his dad and I had to say no since we know his behavior would be inappropriate. As I said, he's not used to nudity, and exposing him to a resort full of nude men, women and children all at once would cause him to do a lot of staring and possibly making comments that would get us all kicked out.

The three of us watched a movie a few months ago at my home that had some female nudity in it--no sex, just a shower scene. The boys eyes were glued to the TV. Of course, that's normal enough, but that's how he would be at Turtle Lake. After he gets used to my nudity, and he's a little older, maybe his dad will allow him to go, but not now. Also, I have no desire to be embarrassed by his behavior. Anyway, be nude and have fun. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[Bob S.]

Kristin,

Bridging the gender gap would be nearly impossible for you in trying to get non-nudist boys your age to try nudism. First, they are boys and mixed gender nudity outside of nudism, especially when teens are involved, is seen as something sexual and anything sexual is completely taboo for anyone under the age of 18.

Second, trying to talk with non-nudists about casual nudity is sometimes like explaining a Calculus equation to a kindergartener. They just stare at you blankly.

For now, I would suggest you find nudist boys in your age range to become pen pals pr e-pals and do the occasional visit with (these would not be ones whom you have only met online, but those with whom you have actually met in person and maybe have met your parents). Also, do as you are doing now, discuss your nudist life only with those people whom you implicitly trust. And who knows, maybe you'll have chance to open up with one of your boy friends (note the space) /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Frank R, you wrote,
"...my wife makes me either get dressed or go to the bedroom! (I guess you can see who runs my house)"

Does this mean that your wife wears the pants in your family? /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Bob S.

[Frank R]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Frank R, you wrote,
"...my wife makes me either get dressed or go to the bedroom! (I guess you can see who runs my house)"

Does this mean that your wife wears the pants in your family? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That was really good /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif I like that. She not only wears the pants but the shirts too /infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

[Nackt]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kristin:
Thank you Frank, I am pretty courageous aren't I. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif However, even I am not without faults. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

In case you haven't noticed (or I haven't made it clear), any of the friends I've mentioned in any of my posts are all female. (Except for the two nudist families I've mentioned, each has a boy 7 years younger than me.) I'm fine at the beaches or resorts, but when it comes to one of my boy friends (2 words) from school, I would die before I even mentioned nudism, much less strip naked.

I'm sorry to go off topic, especially after I put in the little rolling-eyes smiley /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif whenever anyone else does, but does any one have any tips on how I can bridge the gender gap? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi Kristin,
I am new teen nudist and I was looking for someone to talk to about nudism around my age. To your luck, I happen to be guy, so maybe just talking to a guy would help. Anyways look forward to hearing from you.
-Dan

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[Kristin]

Well, lots to talk about I guess. First, what looks like the final update on this friend. Converting her to nudism does not look hopeful. She had no problem with me being nude for the entire Labor Day picnic today (er, yesterday, looking at my clock), but I could not get her out of her skimpy bikini. The closest she got was streaking from the clothesline outside to the bathroom which was no more than 30 seconds.

Second, school starts Wednesday (er, tomorrow), bringing an end to a very successful nudist summer. I added a friend to my can-be-naked-in-front-of list, bringing it to 17. And while she wasn't at my house, she also brought the has-been-naked-with-me list up to 6. (The can-be-naked-at-THEIR-house list is only 2, and for both it's only in the pool.) Not only that, but I set a personal record with 15+ straight days nude, and I'm sure I've spent no more than 100 hours clothed since school ended in June.

On the boy front, you're right. Teenage boys (especially but not exclusively the non-nudist ones) are sex-crazed maniacs. Must let a relationship (not necessarily a boyfriend-girlfriend one) REALLY develop before I divulge my secret.

Finally, Dan, what's your e-mail address?

[Bob S.]

Kristin, you said,
"On the boy front, you're right. Teenage boys (especially but not exclusively the non-nudist ones) are sex-crazed maniacs. Must let a relationship (not necessarily a boyfriend-girlfriend one) REALLY develop before I divulge my secret."

Hey now...lety's not overgeneralize. There may be one or two boys who don't fit that description (like me at that age). I wish I knew someone like you when I was your age. Not saying my friends weren't great, but none of them that I would imagine were nudists. And most of my friends throughout school, from elementary through high school, were girls. Never a girlfriend, but many girl friends. They were just so much more mature than the guys.

Anyway, good luck in school this year. And if you don't mind my asking (I'm not sure if I asked you this before), about where in NENC do you live? I attended college in Murfreesboro, which is near Ahoskie in Hertford Co. and I have a friend in Rocky Mount. If you don't want to answer that question, that's fine.

Bob S.

Are teenage boys these days that much different than when Bob S and I were teens, or were we exceptions to the rule? I wasn't into or even interested in sex as a teen. I certainly wasn't a "sex-crazed maniac". I wish I could have gotten into social nudism as a teen, but wishing accomplishes nothing. Be nude and have fun. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[Kristin]

You're right, I overgeneralized. However, Bob was also right when he said that the girls are much more mature than the guys. That's more the point I was getting at. But times have changed (in response to Nude Always). TV and people like Britney Spears with her skimpy clothes are taunting the hormones of teenage guys.

Nevertheless, I'm sure I'll find a few who can handle a girl friend (one or two words) who's a nudist, probably (maybe hopefully would be more correct) before the end of high school.

P.S. No I won't tell you where in Eastern NC I live. No offense, but you know the Internet, as great as you guys are, privacy is utterly important. Besides that, my parents wouldn't let me.

[Naked Bob 2]

good for you Kristen,

I hope you take the time to appreciate all the good things in your life. I know things must be moving pretty fast at your age but it is important to realize that life is short and you should really not take for granted all the good things in your life.

Have a great time at school this year.

Kristin, It's very smart and right not to say where you are. I'm a dad and a granddad, and their safety is very important to me as yours is to your parents.

Also, you're hoping to find a teen boy who can handle your being a nudist, and to enjoy being nude with you in a proper way, and I wish you luck--not that I believe in luck since I'm a Christian. I'm hoping to find a middle-aged woman who is a nudist. Maybe, God willing, we'll both be blessed in that department someday soon. Keep yourself safe. Be nude and have fun. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[Bob S.]

No offense taken Kristin. I was just mildly curious as I have lived there and know friends from in that area. I wasn't really expecting you to answer me, but hey, if you don't ask, you won't ever have a chance of finding out. Topic closed.

Have a great school year and try not to get too bogged down in your studies to visit here once in a while. You are a definite asset to this site.

Bob S.

[Nackt]

hey kristin

its spyridon18@aol.com-please indicate something on the title of the email so i know its you. look forward to hearing from you! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif