Changing in other genders' changing rooms

[Terrace Casual]

Further to another post about a girl changing in the boys changing rooms, would you have been happy at the age of 13/14 changing in the changing rooms of the opposite sex. This is taking into account everything- embarrassment, legal issues, etc...

If I could turn the clock back from now, I think I probably would, given that some swimming classes I had at about 12/13, the boys and girls had to change on the poolside. If I was the only boy in the class, I would have probably, at the time, felt ok if I merely changed down to my underwear in a room full of girls, but probably not showering. And my outlook is that you must shower after physical activity

[Terrace Casual]

Sorry, I forgot one other important issue. erections for lads in a changing room full of girls could be a big problem.

Oh, and remember to think as a 13/14 year old

[Terrace Casual]

Any comments on the way you voted?

[Rick_42]

When I was in Europe with the military, I often used saunas, whirlpools, and pools at "Sport" hotels in Germany. The facilities and changing areas were coed and I never had a problem with seeing others, men and women, nude or with others seeing me nude.

But as a non-nudist teen-aged boy, there might have been some arousal issues.

[Bob S.]

I actually thought about it at that age (or so) and imagined that I would actually feel more comfortable with the girls than with the boys. I was always shy around the boys when changing (usually fearing they would steal my clothes).

In elementary school, my two best friends were girls. I remember throughout school having more girls as friends than boys. It was like I could understand them better. So I think it had mainly as much to do with comfort as with pubescent modesty (measuring up).

Bob S.

[Rebecca]

I dont think I would be happy with it because of the safety problem with being a naked girl in a room with probablly more than a few teenage boys, I just wouldnt feel safe.

[Tampanude]

I grew up in a house with three older sisters so it really never phased me one way or the other.
If you're in a changing/locker room, you're there just to take care of the task at hand.

[Bobx23456]

Originally posted by Tampanude:
I grew up in a house with three older sisters so it really never phased me one way or the other.
If you're in a changing/locker room, you're there just to take care of the task at hand.


I'm not sure if having sisters has much to do with it. I grew up in a house with one older sister and one younger sister. We all had a mother who taught us that being seen naked was a fate worse than death. Before I became a nudist, even my mother hadn't seen me naked since I was old enough to put on my own pants. At age 13-14 I was very worried that some unnamed horrible fate would befall me if I failed to prevent everyone from seeing my body. If there wasn't a separate changing place I wouldn't have changed at that age. It was okay to swim nude at the "Y" with boys, but not okay to be seen by girls or women.

I don't think its about having sisters, but rather its about how you and your siblings were taught to be "modest" or hidden about your body as a child. It took quite a few years to unlearn all that training. I was almost 50 years old before my mother saw me naked again.

Blessings

Bob

[Tampanude]

I guess at that age I was more fearful of bringing home a bad report card than being seen nude by girls, boys, or anyone for that matter. ....just wasn't a big deal at our house. Our behavior and conduct were more of a concern than what we were, or were not, wearing.

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[fre2bnude]

At 13/14 I don't think I could have done it, I wouldn't have been able to control an erection for a start. Now, I would be quite happy to do so, as long as the women concerned didn't mind.

[Agde]

There is an underlying assumption here and in the other related thread that the raging hormones of teenage years make boys uncontrollably aggressive toward girls. This is not true. As someone who grew up naturist, I can tell you that teen boys in mixed gender groups are often just as shy, same-age girls are often bigger and age-smarter, and personality always trumps gender. Moreover, if the girls and boys previously know each from other contexts, the interpersonal relations tend to be identical whether clothed or not. Parents, teachers and leader kids can easily establish an atmosphere of safety for all. After that, everyone adapts and routine takes over. It is not the least bit different from any other context where transgressors face sanctions. When I was small, the bigger kids protected me, and I did the same for the smaller kids when I got older. It is only the fear of the unknown and lack of experience that makes this an issue for kids. Separating kids by gender for any activity simply makes interaction more difficult by robbing them of the chance to learn how to act and cope. Adults extrapolating problems from bygone years is not helpful -- unless perhaps they are quoting Plato's Republic about equality and justice only being possible when the genders pursue sports and all other activities together.

[Ken Palmer]

Hello Terrace Casual. Well, I think the real question here would be is how would the other members of the opposite sex(meaning the girls since you are a male) feel about YOU changing in their locker or changing room? I think we can probably agree that most males would not have a problem being in a situation like that because let's face it, we do tend to fantasize about that quite often. But I am also aware that there are many males that would be uncomfortable undressing or changing in the same room as their opposite sex members. In all the years that I have participated in coed sports or phys ed, we always had our own locker rooms and they were well policed by the gym staff on the prowl for "peeping toms."I am talking about my junior high and high school years naturally. Of course, I am merely giving you my experiences and upbringing.

Ken Palmer


Originally posted by Terrace Casual:
Further to another post about a girl changing in the boys changing rooms, would you have been happy at the age of 13/14 changing in the changing rooms of the opposite sex. This is taking into account everything- embarrassment, legal issues, etc...

If I could turn the clock back from now, I think I probably would, given that some swimming classes I had at about 12/13, the boys and girls had to change on the poolside. If I was the only boy in the class, I would have probably, at the time, felt ok if I merely changed down to my underwear in a room full of girls, but probably not showering. And my outlook is that you must shower after physical activity

[Ken Palmer]

Hey bRick_42. Amen to that! That is the key right there! At that age, you were a non-nudist!That really makes a difference! And yes boys that age tend to have that erection problem as that is when those hormones are most active. This is the age of puberty we should mention. But had you been a nudist all of your life, it more than likely would not have been an issue because they see themselves that way literally everyday. And about the bathhouse issue, that is pretty much the way of both European and Asian culture. However, I don't know if they are still that way today or not. I know it was like that in Japan when my father was in the military during the sixties. One time when he visited a bathhouse, he was startled to notice a naked woman seated on the other side of the pool. She appeared to have no problem or issue with him being there, but it was HE who was caught offguard! He conferred with someone about it later and they told him "don't worry about it, they do it all the time here." Sometimes, whole families would visit those places with no concerns of who was there.

Ken Palmer


Originally posted by Rick_42:
When I was in Europe with the military, I often used saunas, whirlpools, and pools at "Sport" hotels in Germany. The facilities and changing areas were coed and I never had a problem with seeing others, men and women, nude or with others seeing me nude.

But as a non-nudist teen-aged boy, there might have been some arousal issues.

[Buzzer]

http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/cool4.gif NOW I would. At the age of 12 - 13, no way!!!

[nakedjohn]

I would have no problem with it, either.

[1Ace]

Today yes, at that age no.

[nudepartime]

No way, as a 13 or 14 year old non nudist. Life experiences teach us many lessons, so by my late teen or early 20's it would have been fine.

[nudebushwalker]

I believe people in much of Europe, Australia and New Zealand would have less reservations about this situation than many people in those more conservative and uptight sections of the USA, England and the Middle East...

I also think that girls may become more used to the occasional erections, and boys to similarly aroused girls, after the first couple of times they see this, so it would become less of an issue after a while..

The idea of an individual being (automatically and naturally..) under some universal threat of a general or sexual assault from their opposite gender if alone or in a minority, really is insulting - it is dragging up that old man-hating myth that all men are potential rapists, with no self-control.
The fact remains that sexual assaults come from only a small proportion of the population,and a small (but statistically significant (i.e. >5%..)) number of these assailants are women.. Also, let's not forget that >80% of sexual assaults are by either people known to the victims (i.e. family members or friends..), or authority figures (e.g. teachers, sports coaches, priests/ministers, police officers or youth group leaders ..) - less than 15% come from that often promoted "stranger danger".

Co-ed/mixed/shared change rooms would probably do more to decrease any problems, rather than add to them.

[MJ_KC]

As others have already stated, I would have no problem now, but at that age I would never have wanted to do it. I didn't like changing in the boys' locker room all that much, so the thought of doing it in the girls' locker room would have been worse.

[bill2me]

MJ_KC, that is exactly what I wanted to say but could not think of the words. Thanks!

[MJ_KC]

Originally posted by bill2me:
MJ_KC, that is exactly what I wanted to say but could not think of the words. Thanks!
No problem. At that age, most of us are still in the process of growing up and aren't all that sure of ourselves.

By the time we reach our late teens and early 20's, many of us would be mature enough to either deal with it or know that it isn't something that we want to do.

[Sauna]

Originally posted by Rebecca:
I dont think I would be happy with it because of the safety problem with being a naked girl in a room with probablly more than a few teenage boys, I just wouldnt feel safe.

Do not be afraid. You are in the middle of happening and they song your songs. I'm sure nothing happens when there are several people and there is no alcohol. I do not see any problems with it. Maybe beacause of my so much experience of co-ed sauna.

[Naturist Mark]

Further to another post about a girl changing in the boys changing rooms, would you have been happy at the age of 13/14 changing in the changing rooms of the opposite sex. This is taking into account everything- embarrassment, legal issues, etc...
This is a complete non-issue today in the US. Teens will NOT undress in front of the same sex in a locker room, much less in front of the opposite. They will NOT take showers. There is NO NUDITY in school locker rooms.

For today's teens being in a co-ed locker room is hardly any different from being in a co-ed classroom.

-Mark

[MJ_KC]

Originally posted by Naturist Mark:
This is a complete non-issue today in the US. Teens will NOT undress in front of the same sex in a locker room, much less in front of the opposite. They will NOT take showers. There is NO NUDITY in school locker rooms.

For today's teens being in a co-ed locker room is hardly any different from being in a co-ed classroom.

-Mark
It is a sad thing to see that kids are allowed to get away with this. When I was in school you would have gotten in trouble if you didn't take a shower after PE class. This was considered a requirement if you wanted to get a passing grade.

I have had PE very early in the day and the last thing that I would want is to go through the rest of the day stinking and uncomfortable.

[Bobx23456]

Originally posted by MJ_KC:
It is a sad thing to see that kids are allowed to get away with this. When I was in school you would have gotten in trouble if you didn't take a shower after PE class. This was considered a requirement if you wanted to get a passing grade.

Hmmm? When I was in school, the PE instructor had cut the sole out of a size 13 sneaker. If you didn't shower after exercise you got the sneaker sole laid hard across your bottom. It was never a question of a pass or fail grade.

Its a shame that today's youth lack discipline and competent instruction at school.

Blessings

Bob

[MJ_KC]

Originally posted by Bobx23456:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MJ_KC:
It is a sad thing to see that kids are allowed to get away with this. When I was in school you would have gotten in trouble if you didn't take a shower after PE class. This was considered a requirement if you wanted to get a passing grade.

Hmmm? When I was in school, the PE instructor had cut the sole out of a size 13 sneaker. If you didn't shower after exercise you got the sneaker sole laid hard across your bottom. It was never a question of a pass or fail grade.

Its a shame that today's youth lack discipline and competent instruction at school.

Blessings

Bob </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
We would have received zero credit for the day. Enough of these and you wouldn't pass. Hitting someone is a sign of incompetence in a situation like this. PE is supposed to be about teaching proper fitness and hygiene as part of the health instruction part of the class.

[nudebushwalker]

Yewww...
must be a lot of pongy "stinkies" roaming USA high schools today, especially on their P/E and Sports days..
The good ol' US of A really has gone to the dogs under your extremist-conservative governments, hasn't it ?

[MJ_KC]

Originally posted by nudebushwalker:
Yewww...
must be a lot of pongy "stinkies" roaming USA high schools today, especially on their P/E and Sports days..
The good ol' US of A really has gone to the dogs under your extremist-conservative governments, hasn't it ?
The government didn't do this and it started quite awhile back. The showers are still there, it just doesn't appear that very many kids are willing to use them.

[Naturist Mark]

Yewww...
must be a lot of pongy "stinkies" roaming USA high schools today, especially on their P/E and Sports days..
P/E classes are held every day. But the kids don't actually go around stinking all day long.

They douse themselves with purfumed body sprays. So they don't stink so much as reek.

Schools wrinkle noses at body spray (http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0908bodyspray0908.html)

Is high school hygiene all washed up? (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4196/is_20010318/ai_n10667875)

-Mark

[pek1]

. . . erections for lads in a changing room full of girls could be a big problem.

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">Ah, that's normally what happens! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/rolleyes2.gif Girls might be embarrassed, while some of the guys that aren't, ahem, as well-equipped as the others, would feel intimidated.</span>

[Ken Palmer]

Hello Tampanude. That may be true you are there to simply change clothes in the changing or locker room. But when you have a girl in there with a bunch of guys around, it's pretty much understood that all or some of them are going to sneak a peak at her at sometime. That's just the way guys are, as you all know!

Ken Palmer


Originally posted by Tampanude:
I grew up in a house with three older sisters so it really never phased me one way or the other.
If you're in a changing/locker room, you're there just to take care of the task at hand.

[MJ_KC]

Originally posted by Naturist Mark:
P/E classes are held every day. But the kids don't actually go around stinking all day long.

They douse themselves with purfumed body sprays. So they don't stink so much as reek.

Schools wrinkle noses at body spray (http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0908bodyspray0908.html)

Is high school hygiene all washed up? (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4196/is_20010318/ai_n10667875)

-Mark
The schools only seem to be teaching the exercise portion of P.E. and from the number of fat kids, they aren't doing that too well.

When I was in junior high and high school we also had to take health classes as part of P.E. and proper hygiene was a critical component of this. Showering was required and wasn't an option.

When exactly did the school teachers and administrators lose control and not be able to enforce basic rules?

[walter05]

These days, there is an issue with adult supervision. There is a fear of pedophelia.

Since it is difficult to have the adult supervision, the schools are less willing to push showers and changing where the teens are actually nude.

[alfredr]

And among the kids, there is this concept that nudity is connected to sex, and same gender nudity is connected to same gender sex. I wonder where they get these ideas?

Back in my day, we also had PE all four years of high school. My kids only had PE one semester.

[MoonShadow]

What am I missing? I don't understand this thread as there is not going to be anything as kids changing in the opposite sex's changing room. It's a mute point.

I took PE through high school and college and we took showers. Guess it is a generation thing but all of us "girls" at that time had no problems taking showers and dressing. The "boys" were the same but no one was changing in the other's locker room. There was no need to.

Apparently, from what I am reading on this thread there is a serious problem about showers after PE. That is a shame. But if kids want to avoid showers and feel sticky the rest of the day or even smell, that's their problem. However, instructors and PE classes should mandate showers after PE.