Unwilling Subject of Voyeur Video

[BinCo]

I was just wondering.

Have you caught someone making videos or taking pics of you on the beach?

If so, what did you do?

Is there a way to have a site "pull" your pic from thier listing?

This is probably directed more at the women in the forum, as they seem to be the primary target for "naturist" videos, but I'll split the poll to see the results.

I rarely make it out to the one and only public beach area here in Denver, so it has not ocurred to me.

So here is the poll question.

[FireProf]

Though I only voted "male", my wife feels the same way. She is somewhat concerned and is conscious of her surroundings.

[picco]

voted man only not concerned had pics taken

[nudewheelchairTodd]

I watch out for it at the resort even with those cam phones you never know.

[Rabid_Clam]

Is just prudent in these days of technology to do nothing you would not approve to be on camera. Hidden cameras are everywhere, voyers are but only one small group that use cams. There are store cams you never see, and other surveilance cams you will never see.

So just be prudent and do nothing you would not mind being on someone's cam !

[Nudony]

I was "cam'd" at Haulover a few weeks ago. Pretty unbelievable experience. Just when you think "Nah...that could never happen to me..."! I really wanted to physically confront the guy, but I found it preferable to simply walk away.

This new "breed" of emboldened voyeurs are truly a bane in nudism. I find myself (as I'm sure other nudist do) almost getting paranoid about who's around me at the beach.

[BinCo]

Nudony: Would it be prudent to warn everyone else around you that this pervert is videoing to drive him away? Will the authorities or beach patrol do anything?

Is there a website to expose these guys in pics for everyone to keep an eye out for?

I wonder if you could post their pics with a warning and if it would still be legal?

[nacktman]

Originally posted by BinCo:
Nudony: Would it be prudent to warn everyone else around you that this pervert is videoing to drive him away?
<span class="ev_code_RED">Yes, would be the answer I would give to that question.</span>

Will the authorities or beach patrol do anything?
<span class="ev_code_RED">Only if it is brought to their attention and the only to escort them away for being a nusiance ... they already have the "pics" digitally by then though.</span>

Is there a website to expose these guys in pics for everyone to keep an eye out for?
<span class="ev_code_RED">Probably not unless they are listed on any of the 'sex offenders' sites already. Also, taking their 'pic' is tantamount to doing what they are doing - at least that is what a lawyer would argue, and most likely win that argument.</span>

I wonder if you could post their pics with a warning and if it would still be legal?
<span class="ev_code_RED">Very murky gray area there BinCo, could be legal to post the 'pics' (see the statement above), but the warnings might not be legal.</span>

As far as being concerned as I man - not very - as a husband not very, either because the Mrs., isn't very concerned. However as a husband I will and do take umbrage at unsolicited picture taking that I become aware of - I have smashed many a fool's camera over the years and would not hesitate to crush a cell phone ... hate the dang things anyway, with or without a camera in them.

[NakedGary]

Quote by BinCo:

"I wonder if you could post their pics with a warning and if it would still be legal?"

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It’s not against the law to take pictures of anyone with or without permission or release on public land or public places such as sidewalks, parks, beaches, or gathering on city, state, or federal land.

No one can expect privacy at a nude or public beach accessible to the general public.

Be extremely careful confronting anyone in public, or destroying property or media as you can be arrested and charged with a serious crime and be held legally and financially responsible for doing so.

It's wise to always get permission, and preferable to get a photo release, and state your intentions in taking pictures of others, especially at a nude beach or gathering on public property and if there are under age people nude or not with others nude or not at any public area accessible to the general public.

Posting or publishing articles and images, or warning others on web sites of inappropriate web sites or use of unauthorized images is a grey area that hasn't been mentioned much in the forums or the legal aspects of doing so.
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[DenitaLC]

Female, voting not concerned.

If I were doing something 'wrong' and videotaped or photographed in the process, then I would be concerned. Yes, it is wrong of someone to be sneaky and shooting such pictures. I would definately ask them to stop and leave if I caught them in the act.

Am I going to sit on the beach and worry about it? NO As a matter of fact, in early August while at Collins Beach in Oregon, a fellow was taking model posed photos of his girl friend with a very nice camera with a huge lense. It was a perfect place for the photo shoot because his g/f could just strip right there on the beach and change suits.

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[Michjoe]

Voted somewhat. I have seen people with cell phones who may be taking pictures. Once saw a guy supposedly taking pictures of birds.

[R.M.GREENMAN2]

I voted not concerned.
I feel that with todays technology, if someone really wants to get a nude photo of you, they will.

I also feel if someone takes a nude photo of me and puts it on their website, the image would kill his hits.

I have tons of nude photos of female friends and not one was taken without permission and most will never see a website. Only ones that will are the ones I was given permission to share....and I only posted them here.

[rguy1978]

As a male, I'm somewhat concerned, but not as much as women SHOULD be.

Let's not forget, even though we nudists aren't doing anything sexually arousing, there are some that do get off on nudist pictures and video. There are even websites dedicated to this sort of thing, like Coccozella.

Also, some of us are closeted nudists and try to enjoy the lifestyle discreetly; not everyone can and will want to accept our lifestyle; friends, family members, co-workers. Someone taking nude photographs or video of us without permission could use them as blackmail against us, especially if we don't want our lifestyle be known to others.

[nudenwv]

being nude in the home or resort that is aanr accepted i don't have many concerns. i do watch who is around me. i'm not shy in front of the camera so it could be easy for someone to put my pic on a site i didn't want. i usually trust those in know well.

[David77]

I have angrily reminded a man in the locker room at the Y that it is against the rules to use his cell phone there. He admitted that he knew that, and went out of the locker room. I was relieved, as I do not want to be seen nude by people in my suburb, as my old body does not look very presentable for public display.

[HaroldTheNudist]

why? it's important for body acceptance

[RCH44]

I know that most poeple would not want a nude photo taken. This would not bother me. If they ask I would say O.K. If they took one without my permision that would not bohter me.

When you think you can't stop anyone from taking a photo with so many small digital cameras and so many small cell phones it's almost impossible to stop anyone.

Ralph

Nude and Happy

Originally posted by BinCo:
I was just wondering.

Have you caught someone making videos or taking pics of you on the beach?

If so, what did you do?

Is there a way to have a site "pull" your pic from thier listing?

This is probably directed more at the women in the forum, as they seem to be the primary target for "naturist" videos, but I'll split the poll to see the results.

I rarely make it out to the one and only public beach area here in Denver, so it has not ocurred to me.

So here is the poll question.

[Duneman]

I spend most of my summers on c/o beaches, and I'm sure I've been secretly photographed many times.

Only once was I aware of it, and that was at Blacks Beach. A whole bunch of "tourists' were walking the beach, and in one group a woman actually used her video camera with no attempt to hide it!

I thought she was rude, but it didn't bother me http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

Duneman

[Matt King]

The only time I have been offended was in my own back yard behind a privacy fence this elderly neighbor lady was trying to take a picture thru the cracks in the fence. I wasn't even naked at the time. When I caught her she took off running like a fox.

[barefischer]

I was at a nude beach in Kelowna BC last year and some guy asked if he could take my picture ? I did not allow him to do so.

[nudepartime]

I voted somewhat concerned. When we were on a Carnival Cruise on the topless deck a 30 something guy showed up with his vidio camera to vidio the topless women. I noticed this guy as I opened my eyes,laying in the sun and he was approaching the area we were sunning in to shoot some vidio of my wife! I told him to get himself and his camerea off the deck or security would be called and his camera would be shooting pictures on the ocean floor.

[1Ace]

I have had this happen at Black's before. Usually they hang out up on top over the cliffs with there long telephoto lenses and try to zoom in on my wife. Sometimes since it is a mixed beach you will also find them by you on the sand as well, idiots!

[NorthVanNudist]

I voted "male - not concerned". When I am our city's nude beach, I am there to relax and enjoy the day. The beach is legal, signed, policed, and has been an accepted part of our city's life for many, many years. Although I have not seen people filming down there, I'm sure over the years I may have been in some photos, etc. Big deal. One naked guy among hundreds of other naked men and women. The thought just isn't enough to bother me. I can see how it might concern some others, though, particularly if women are being harassed. But I'm sure some of the beach "regulars" would take care of an obvious voyeur. Have read stories of this happening. Of course, I don't equate voyeur video with simple "gawkers". That is just a fact of life at some times, but many people come to a nude beach to gawk may wind up as converts.

[P.J.]

Male - Somewhat concerned was my answer.

I normally don't watch those around me because I'm not nude in places where the wrong people are likely to be lurking with regular cameras and/or camcorders.

We all should probably be adopt a healthy degree of paranoia because our privacy could be invaded without our knowing it.

[NakedGary]

P.J. Quote:

"We all should probably be adopt a healthy degree of paranoia because our privacy could be invaded without our knowing it."

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Anyone who chooses to be nude at a public beach approved for that purpose cannot assume or expect any degree of privacy.
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[Pete Knight]

Yes I am concerned and I would do something about it if I saw it happening, we call those guys who pop up from the dunes to look around Meercats, mostly they are harmless but occasionally we get a pervert who needs sorting.
I was at a BN beach day on Studland beach when a BN official noticed a clothed guy with a camera taking pictures, there were children around so she had the rangers approach him, they confiscated his camera and followed him back to the car park where they noted his car licence, this was given to the local police to follow up on.

Pete Knight

[FireProf]

The thing is; If you see this type of activity...do something or say something about it. I made three female friends at San Onofre on day just by speaking up and scaring a voyuer off who was taking pictures of them.

We've seen two of the girls since then and they still wave and say "thanks for what you did," to this day. I can be scary to be confrontational with someone but there are always more of you that the same way about voyuers. Speak loudly enough and that scares the heck out of them. It doesn't take long before they're packing up and hitting the road.

We both don't concern ourselves much with the cameras on the beach but we are aware of our surroundings. It's not usually the ones you see.....it's the ones you don't see that are usually taking pictures of you.

[NakedGary]

Pete Knight

The laws in the U.K. must be different. In California it's not against the law to take pictures of anyone of any age clothed or nude at a public nude beach. [But not wise to do without permission and/or photo release.] The police or park rangers could not confiscate your camera or follow up on taking pictures at a nude beach unless you did something illegal.

Voyeurs do not want to be identified or exposed. Take their picture and tell them it will be posted on the internet and sent to authorities. They usually leave upon seeing a camera pointed at them.
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[BinCo]

57 Votes so far.
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So it looks like a much higher voting for men, only 2 women and they both vote no. Men seem split between somewhat and no.

Lots of interesting conversation about it. I was thinking primarily of guys who post pics for profit on the web. Seems to me that these guys are not only invading my personal space, but to make money on it seems to add insult. Especially knowing that being a nudist can cost you a job if you happen to be a teacher and are outed.

[Pete Knight]

Originally posted by NakedGary:
Pete Knight

The laws in the U.K. must be different. In the U.S. It's not against the law to take pictures of anyone of any age clothed or nude in a public area or nude beach. [But not wise to do without permission and/or photo release.] The police or park rangers could not confiscate your camera or follow up on taking pictures at a nude beach unless you did something illegal.

Voyeurs do not want to be identified or exposed. Take their picture and tell them it will be posted on the internet and sent to authorities. They usually leave upon seeing a camera pointed at them.
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The laws are not dissimilar, but where this guy was going wrong was taking photo's of children, and at no time did he gain any consent to start snapping, he was in the wrong and he knew it otherwise he wouldn't have been so meek.

If someone is taking your photograph without your permission you are quite within your rights to ask them to stop, and I would ask them in such a way that they wouldn't misunderstand my feelings on the subject, common decency should prevail above all else.

Pete Knight

[walter05]

NakedGary;

The laws differ from state to state.

In Georgia, if the pictures are nude pictures of children, there probably is a violation of statute. Exceptions are made in the Georgia code for family pictures, medical, scientific, etc.

Law enforcement would be required to confiscate the material and the camera as evidence. The individual would also probably have to register as a sex offender.

For an adult, you are probably correct in Georgia.

[NakedGary]

walter05

I changed my original post to indicate that in California [Not in the U.S.] it's not illegal to photograph anyone of any age nude or not on a public or clothing optional designated beach with or without permission.

The topic title, poll question and comments are about unwilling subject of voyeur video and images being taken at a public nude beach, and how one would get an image or video pulled if posted to a web site.

Yes, each state, county, city or area can have ordinances and laws on what’s considered nudity, indecent, and sexual, and where or if it's legal to be nude amongst others on or in private as well as public property, and what constitutes indecent exposure, being lewd, vulgar, or in pornography what’s considered sexually explicit.

I have no idea what the laws of Georgia are although NAC says they are opposed to any proposed law that fails to make the fundamental distinction between nudity and sexual content.

Georgia, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, and other southern Bible belt states have the most restrictive nudity laws in the United States, with Arkansas being the worst.

NAC comment on Arkansas:

Arkansas law is extremely restrictive with regard to nudity, going so far as to prohibit anyone from even advocating nudism in the state. NAC is preparing a challenge to that law, which has an obvious chilling effect on the defense and advancement of Naturism.

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NAC on Arkansas nudity laws [link] (http://naturistaction.org/StatesFrames/State_Laws_Frames/Arkansas_Laws/arkansas_laws.html)

So Walter05, AANR, TNS, and most affiliated nudist do not consider plain non sexual nudity and nude social recreation at any age or photographing the same of being anything but natural, normal, and legal, but permission, and proper social etiquette is the norm in taking pictures of anyone you don't know in public, nude or not.
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[MJ_KC]

Originally posted by NakedGary:
P.J. Quote:

"We all should probably be adopt a healthy degree of paranoia because our privacy could be invaded without our knowing it."

__________________________________________________ ________________________________________

Anyone who chooses to be nude at a public beach approved for that purpose cannot assume or expect any degree of privacy.
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Exactly. If you want privacy, you go to a private place. There is a reason these places are called public.

[BinCo]

MJ_KC. NakedGary has the idea of the question correct. I also expect that to be out in public you have no privacy. BUT, to have someone take your picture for profit becomes a new matter. To sell it as a 'voyeur' video is even more disgusting. I have to agree that his camera might end up as far into the lake as I could throw it.

Pervert: Officer, this guy threw my $1500 camera in the lake when I was taking pictures of his naked wife to sell on the internet.
Officer: Mr. BinCo, did you throw the jerks camera in the lake while he took pictures of your sexy nude wife to sell on the internet?
BinCo: What camera? I don't see any camera.

[Gabe]

I went to Hippy Hollow alot when I was in lived in Texas. People with cameras were a pretty common site. They usually didn't stay long. The police there were really cool with the naked people and all one had to do was call the police that patrolled there with a cell phone and they would kick them out. I love Austin. But often you just tell them to sop and indicate that you would be taking their camera away would cause them to leave. They seemed to be afraid of being beat down by a bunch of naked peoplehttp://oakhurstonline.com/icon/wink3.gif

[NoVaNudist]

another reason why i mostly practice nudity at home. though at haulover fla, never found picture taking to be a prob.

no, i do not want my nude body splashed all over the internet by people who are not real nudists. dunno if that makes any sense.

[walter05]

NakedGary;

I have reviewed Title 16, Chapter 12 of the Georgia Code and can find no prohibitions against nudity per say.

Georgia law does not consider simple nudity to be a problem. For adults there is no issue. Public nudity where it is not expected would be a problem.

However, Georgia, as many states, has attempted to make it easier to prosecute child pornography.

A family member taking pictures would not necessarily be a problem even if the pictures involved children as long as no sexual conduct took place. However a family member distributing these pictures may run a foul of the Georgia Law also.

However, someone taking pictures of children without their parents' agreement poses a different question. This individual may run a foul of child exploitation statutes.

[Orangexcalibare]

Male and somewhat concerned. Do i do a good job of watching out for people? No not really, but I also dont want to wind up on some website without my consent.

[Nudony]

Originally posted by BinCo:
Nudony: Would it be prudent to warn everyone else around you that this pervert is videoing to drive him away? Will the authorities or beach patrol do anything?

At the time I wasn't thinking clearly (I was more shocked than anything else); in hindsight I should have reported him immediately. I was also a bit perplexed that no one else got up to either confronted or report the guy; and I KNOW everyone around me also saw him. Even the mother of a preteen girl sitting accross from me just called her daughter (who was running around), put her dress back on and left it at that. It is perhaps sad, but maybe this means that most people would prefer to avoid a confrontation. At least on that particular day at Haulover they did.

[MJ_KC]

Originally posted by BinCo:
MJ_KC. NakedGary has the idea of the question correct. I also expect that to be out in public you have no privacy. BUT, to have someone take your picture for profit becomes a new matter. To sell it as a 'voyeur' video is even more disgusting. I have to agree that his camera might end up as far into the lake as I could throw it.

Pervert: Officer, this guy threw my $1500 camera in the lake when I was taking pictures of his naked wife to sell on the internet.
Officer: Mr. BinCo, did you throw the jerks camera in the lake while he took pictures of your sexy nude wife to sell on the internet?
BinCo: What camera? I don't see any camera.
I would consider your action to be a far greater offense. You might chase the guy away, but when you steal someone's camera from them with a threat of physical violence you would be the one getting hauled away if I were the cop. Destruction of an expensive camera would only add to the charges.

Your objection to his taking a picture does not give you the right to commit what would be considered at least a very serious misdemeanor. You better hope that there aren't any witnesses.

[Mark_767]

I once caught a bloke taking photos of myself and my girlfriend on the beach. I confronted him and made him delete the photo’s from his camera. You never know where those photo’s might end up.

[foux003]

Male and I don't really care. Nudity is natural and there is nothing wrong with it, so why should I care if a picture is taken.

Now if someone was bothering me, then they might end up in the drink.

[RichNH]

Well, some people care because others care and those others may have power over us in our professional lives or social lives (that part of our social life that isn't connected to nudity).

I think that mostly, that's the core reason why some people care.

Rich

[Agde]

Three quick thoughts/questions:
<UL TYPE=SQUARE> <LI> Isn't it materially different legally to take a photo/video versus to distribute it without permission? (We professional photographers spend half our life getting releases signed.)
<LI> Traditionally, male nudists have felt an obligation to be alert and protective, and I have never hesitated (and always found myself quickly joined by others) when it came to "having a conversation" with someone behaving inappropriately (whether illegal or not). Has that old-fashioned reflex disappeared?
<LI> Wouldn't someone taking unauthorized photos/videos of families, even at a public beach, constitute a "public nuisance" or security issue that you could call the police about -- no matter how you were clothed? Providing a license plate number wouldn't require a confrontation, and a conversation with police based on a complaint might be quite dissuasive for a voyeur. [/list]