Public Jobs

[Cheffred]

Ok all I was just wondering, how many of us have pulic jobs that society would probably look down upon our nudity? I know as a high school teacher I am ar risk of losing my job if any parents or school officials found out. However I will not give up nudity.

[Cheffred]

Ok all I was just wondering, how many of us have pulic jobs that society would probably look down upon our nudity? I know as a high school teacher I am ar risk of losing my job if any parents or school officials found out. However I will not give up nudity.

[nudeM]

I know of another nudist who works for the Sheriffs Dept, but he doesn't know about me. Several times, he has dicusssed it, but I did not let him know. Having working for the County, I keep my nudist lifestyle secret.

[nudenwv]

now that i have a full time security job at a outdoor amphitheater, i don't think they would appreciate it if they new of my lifestyle. it reflects on the business. so i now say nothing.

[FireProf]

I'm not sure if the public would care or not if I were a nudist. I think all they care about is that when they call 911, me and my crew and our fire engine show up and help them...............even if it's just to get a cat out of a tree! http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Rabid_Clam]

Being a nudist is not a crime nor is it viewed as unacceptable by the law except where lewd and sexual harrassment is involved.

There are those who would make some case of a public servant being a n udist and teaching kids but the argument would be to pose where did that interfere with the job and how was that brought into the job except by those who complain! If the public servent keeps it all to him/her self then there is nothing legal anyone can do about it and the nudist is grounded to plaintiff in a lawsuit protecting his/her lifestyle.

[NudeTopher]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cheffred:
Ok all I was just wondering, how many of us have pulic jobs that society would probably look down upon our nudity? I know as a high school teacher I am ar risk of losing my job if any parents or school officials found out. However I will not give up nudity. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The landmark Supreme Court decision that struck down sodomy laws (and therefore decriminalized homosexuality) was based upon the right of privacy. I would think that the same argument could be used regarding nudity. Just the same, I'd hate to have to defend my rights before the Supreme Court

[usuallylurk]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cheffred:
Ok all I was just wondering, how many of us have pulic jobs that society would probably look down upon our nudity? I know as a high school teacher I am ar risk of losing my job if any parents or school officials found out. However I will not give up nudity. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are a great many teachers and public employees that are nudists.

As a teacher - you enjoy many benefits that people don't have in the private sector, where nearly all employees are "at will" employees -- who can be fired for any reason or no reason at all (with certain civil rights, whistleblower, workman's comp, health situations, and some other discrimination protections provided under the law).

You usually have a contract that provides you with certain things like

- tenure (after x years, usually three, your job can be eliminated but you can't be randomly booted)
- bumping rights (if your job is eliminated and you are tenured, you can bump someone else who isn't or who has less seniority out of his job and take it)
- grievance procedures (which are generally unknown in the private sector)
- automatic raises for longevity (called "steps", not raises but they are raises).

On the other hand -- you CAN be called on the carpet for inappropriate behavior, and dismissed for it. My recommendation is to keep your nudist life and your professional teaching life completely separate from each other. Do not even discuss it amongst your fellow teachers.

This sounds strange, but discussion of nudism in the workplace can lead to sexual harrassment charges.

Those WILL get you fired.

Some will say "oh no they can't do that." Some will say "so what? Be a PIONEER!" Of course, it's not THEIR livelihood and career they're referring to, it's yours.

The only way you would want your students or their parents to find out is if they happened - through coincidence of course - to meet you at a nude recreation venue. We did meet up with one of our daughter's teachers at a nudist venue once -- no big deal.

But my advice is keep nudism and your work life - regardless of what you do - separate from each other.

Some will tell you that YOUR workplace is an excellent place to convey the nudist message. THEIR workplace may be, but usually YOURS (or MINE) is not.

[Jason Lee]

originally posted by usuallylurk:
discussion of nudism in the workplace can lead to sexual harassment charges.

give examples.

[Gary Naturist]

Before she retired, Judy Williams, the "mayor" for many years of Wreck Beach in Vancouver, waa a midle school teacher. As far as I know, she got no flack from the education authorities for being a nudist, and a highly visible one as well.

Gary

[usuallylurk]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jason Lee:
originally posted by usuallylurk:
discussion of nudism in the workplace can lead to sexual harassment charges.

give examples. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here in the United States - sexual harrassment can be construed as any situation making someone uncomfortable.

So if I went into the next cube and discussed "I went to a nudist camp this weekend" -- it could be enough.

Never having dared to do it, I can't tell you what would go down. But it isn't something I would risk or advise anyone else to risk it.

Of course, it is very easy to tell someone else to experiment and see what happens.

The laws in Australia may be different.

[usuallylurk]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gary Naturist:
Before she retired, Judy Williams, the "mayor" for many years of Wreck Beach in Vancouver, waa a midle school teacher. As far as I know, she got no flack from the education authorities for being a nudist, and a highly visible one as well.

Gary </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

As I told Jason, the laws and standards in Canada and Australia may be different than they are in the United States.

Cheffred would likely have no problem if his nudist activities were discovered. If he's at a nude venue and ran into parents or students who happened to be there already, a complaint would be ludicrous anyway -- you went to a nudist park and while you were there you met Cheffred and you're appalled? What were you doing there in the first place?

So if he kept his nudist life and his professional life separate -- and didn't make a splash about it, he'll be fine.

Here in the States, most companies have extensive training and instruction as to what is sexual harrassment. If you have taken that training, you would know that workplace discussions could make someone antsy enough to file a complaint.

And if they do, you're toast.

However, being a schoolteacher - what you do outside of the workplace is protected - you have union protection and there is a process that you go through before you can be fired.

If you work in the private sector, you are an "at will" employee -- which means you can be fired any time, and for no reason at all. The only protections you might have are illness or discrimination. But the burden of proof is on the aggrieved employee.

[barmonkey]

Cheffred...Aren't you worried about having an avatar of yourself? I too work for a public school district, and that has kept me from having an avatar of myself. I'm thinking that many kids these days will spend hours and hours searching the internet for naked people, and the possibility of stumbling onto this site would be pretty good.

[Cheffred]

I have considered that but leave it up for the time being anyway. However it is still under consideration.

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by usuallylurk:

Here in the United States - sexual harrassment can be construed as any situation making someone uncomfortable.

So if I went into the next cube and discussed "I went to a nudist camp this weekend" -- it could be enough.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Discussing your nudist lifestyle is not sexual harrassment.

But it might be enough for a hypersensitive - or deliberately vindictive - person to make a claim of sexual harrassment.

That sad truth is that unfair and untrue accusations can be just as damaging as truth - especially about subjects in which people are unwilling to discard their preconceptions.

-Mark

[KetchumMaine]

In one of my jobs I work with teenage sexual offenders in a residential program. I can just imagine what my boss would think if he found out http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif. Somehow, I don't think my employment would be too secure.

[usuallylurk]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Naturist Mark:

Discussing your nudist lifestyle is not sexual harrassment.

But it might be enough for a hypersensitive - or deliberately vindictive - person to make a claim of sexual harrassment.

-Mark </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

... and enough for a human resources officer or arbitrator to find you responsible of sexual harrassment.

At Eastover, we had a discussion of this once - one prominent naturist said it was "sad" that I wouldn't discuss it. I replied that it would be sad if I lost my job because then I wouldn't be able to support naturism any more.

This year someone said "why not discuss it and see what happens?" Yeah, right. Very easy for others to say what **I** should do.

Risk a very well-paying job for an experiment.

[Dakotawalker]

I've searched all over this page and cannot find out how to start a new topic, which is what I want to do. Nothing works! So, I'll start it here and hope that the powers that be can place my start where it should be.

The Naturist Society, in the last issue of "N" magazine has indicated interest in starting a "Naked Gardening Day" sort of in response to the Naked Bike Ride Day that was held this summer.

What are your plans for a "Naked Gardening Day"? It should involve any kind of gardening activity; from pulling weeds, to pruning, to picking flowers, to picking up trail trash, to you name it.

My plans are to pick grapes from our small vinyard and make naked wine with them. My wife said she would be the photographer and shoot me while picking grapes nude. I'm very pleased that she volunteered to take the pictures. Then I'll write a short article about the activity and send it, along with the pics, to "N" magazine for their write-up in the next issue. It pays to read "N" magazine.

What are your plans for Naked Gardening Day? It is September 10th, this coming weekend. Don't miss it!!
Dakota Walker (George)

For starting a new topic ..go to ' post ' in blue border upper left....NGD is already a topic HERE...Fun Of Nude Recreation >WGND

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dakotawalker:
I've searched all over this page and cannot find out how to start a new topic, which is what I want to do.
miss it!!
Dakota Walker (George) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[naturistcoloradocpl]

I am a Swimming Pool and Spa repair tech. My employer knows I am a nudist, and has even told me if the local Naturist campground calls up needing a repair, he will send me. I have also posted on a local nudist group site that I would be willong to work nude if the weather and privicy allowed.
Gary http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif "the nude poolman"

[mplsnekkid]

im glad i work at home http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[xgsft]

I have mentioned to some of my students at work. Generally with most topics, I wait for them to bring up the topic. Once it's out in the open then I will comment on it. All the results I have this way have been favorable. It is also a great way to kill time while in the air.