Woman wants kids clothed on beaches [Archive]

PascoDoug

08-13-2005, 10:06 AM

I really don't understand the reasoning of people like the woman in that article, who wish to put clothes on children to protect them from pedophiles who may be in the area..

Do these folks really believe that the pedo is going to run up and molest the naked child on the beach in front of the parents and everyone else? Haha. Pretty much all the pedo can do in that situation is look at the kid.. and last time I checked, looking at someone never hurt them, especially if they are unaware of it.

Besides, if some guy is sitting around at the beach watching kids openly, it would be pretty obvious what he is interested in and he can be dealt with appropriately..

Don't punish the kid by making them wear clothes!

namedun

08-13-2005, 10:55 AM

Just to add to Doug's comments, I think someone should remind this lady that a child is just as likely to be snatched by a pedophile when he/she is clothed. It's not as if pedophiles are unable to remove clothing.

08-13-2005, 11:06 AM

We know that clothes don't stop pedophiles, but this woman seems to think that putting a swimsuit on a child will prevent them from being molested. How naive can a grown woman be? I was wearing clothes at the theater (that one I don't remember) and on the street when I was fondled by a man when I was little. Clothes just take them a little longer to get to what they want.

MJ_KC

08-13-2005, 11:29 AM

She should seek counseling. She obviously has some mental issues.

Buff Man in MI

08-13-2005, 11:32 AM

Hmmm, me thinks she doth protest too much. I wouldn't want to leave a child in her care. If she is so concerned, she should start protesting at Catholic churches and public schools. There have been a lot more problems at those places than beaches.

Ben_m

08-13-2005, 01:13 PM

I think someone should remind this lady that a child is just as likely to be snatched by a pedophile when he/she is clothed. It's not as if pedophiles are unable to remove clothing. True, but irrational fear knows few bounds.

Bob S.

08-13-2005, 02:54 PM

This is my response that I posted at MNL:

This is a result of a Pedophilic Society. We begin to think just like the very people we abhor.

Does this woman not think that pedophiles will go after the clothed children? The naked children are in no more harm than any other children. The more important factor is how close their parents are. And with a preschooler, parents should not leave their side, especially at such a public place as a beach and wherever there is water.

Helen Hoffman is on the wrong soapbox and Chief Gould's comments are even worse. How can allowing a child to go naked neglect? If it was wintertime and cold out, yes. If the parents were nowhere near the child, yes. But in these instances, simply allowing their children to be naked is nowhere near the threshhold of neglect in any sane person's eyes.

Bob S.

dancin\'bare

08-13-2005, 03:05 PM

It says in the article that she was walking her dog-I'm asumming it must've been dressed.

PascoDoug

08-13-2005, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by dancin'bare:
It says in the article that she was walking her dog-I'm asumming it must've been dressed.

People who walk their dogs at public beaches should be far more offensive to the public than kids enjoying the sun and surf free from clothes.

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(I'm a dog person btw)

Trailscout

08-13-2005, 04:11 PM

I am annoyed and yes, concerned that one crank complainer can get her name in the paper, get the ear of local government officials. They are actually taking her seriously!!!

The problem is bigger than this one woman.

08-13-2005, 05:58 PM

Anyone who chases after one nude child after another is a pedophile in my book and this woman certainly fits the description

TANZ

08-13-2005, 06:52 PM

Keep the beaches safe,and Ban Hoffman.
I do however agree with one of her statements,"There are a lot of sick people out there,"
Now someone buy that woman a mirror http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Naturally Kiwi

NudeAl

08-13-2005, 06:57 PM

Yeah!!

I think her badgering and harassing those poor kids and their parents I think they would have a good harrasment case on their hands. Maybe slap a restraining order on her if she keeps it up.

WacoTX

08-13-2005, 07:20 PM

Does this woman and the government official have e-mail addresses? INA has well over 13000 members. Maybe it is time for several thousand INA members to give these people some facts about CO beaches.

Youpi

08-13-2005, 07:23 PM

Must be the kind of person who turn the light off when she has to undress to avoid to see her own nudity.

MikeJB

08-14-2005, 03:25 PM

honestly people like that woman are the type that the police just need to laugh at and write off as being wackos because people like that just waste the time of law enforcement officers when these people have more pressing matters to attend to than dealing with some burnt out old woman who has nudity issues. She really needs to stop wasting people's time and should be laughed right out of the police station.

DeathKnight

08-14-2005, 05:08 PM

If she is concerned about pedophiles, she needs to harrass the pedophiles and not the kids.

BackpackerBrian

08-14-2005, 08:58 PM

Will someone please get this woman something to help her anxiety problems.

Nudony

08-17-2005, 03:28 AM

http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/08162005/news/57989.htm

One of the parents spoke out against the "beach lunatic."

Buzzer

08-17-2005, 04:02 AM

http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gifIn each case sited by her, the parents were right there supervising the children. I don't see what her problem is.

DeathKnight

08-17-2005, 08:33 AM

I liked the article as it exposes the activist's flawed arguments. It sounds like the activist is a control freak and wants to dominate others.

Nudony

08-20-2005, 05:06 PM

The Portsmouth Herald's response to the situation:

http://nsnlb.us.publicus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=...01/108200002/-1/news (http://nsnlb.us.publicus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050820/OPINION01/108200002/-1/news)

Trailscout

08-20-2005, 06:41 PM

Hooray for the voice of reason!

My favorite quote from that editorial:

Our children will bite that apple of knowledge early enough in life. Can’t we just leave them in peace for as long as they are comfortable frolicking in the skin God gave them?

usuallylurk

08-20-2005, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by Buff Man in MI:
Hmmm, me thinks she doth protest too much. I wouldn't want to leave a child in her care. If she is so concerned, she should start protesting at Catholic churches and public schools. There have been a lot more problems at those places than beaches.

This incident took place in my corner of the country. It seems like whenever there's a problem or dispute, someone within naturism loves to take the opportunity to take a potshot at the Catholic church.

Yes, they've had their problems, to be sure. But there are still a large number of nudists who ARE Catholic, or who aren't but still respect the institution in spite of its problems.

That aside - it should be known that Rye, New Hampshire - is in Rockingham County. Rockingham County is home to one of the longest operating nudist parks in the United States. Cedar Waters has been in business for 55 years and is just minutes away from Rye in the town of Nottingham.

By the way, the husband-and-wife team that own and operate Cedar Waters are involved in the town government. The husband is chairman of the town's school board. The wife is chairman of the town's board of selectmen.

While Rye is not known as a "nude haven" - in fact, the place would remind one of Bermuda (my aunt and uncle were Bermudian and chose to live in Rye) - it was not and never has been the type of place that would arrest a woman for wearing a thong or dropping her top on an isolated stretch of beach.

The editorial response is very likely parroting the viewpoints of those in the town - "what is this all about?" Rye is very upscale without being trendy, with high property values, and an extremely high education level.

So the reaction of the local newspaper is just what I expected here.

missouriboy

08-22-2005, 04:50 AM

The key point in the editorial... The astonishing thing is that it appears the selectmen and police took the request seriously. Corrective efforts need to ignore the flake who made the ridiculous complaint, and instead concentrate on those with the authority to respond by adding unnecessary prudery to the official community rules.

usuallylurk

08-22-2005, 06:48 AM

Originally posted by missouriboy:
The key point in the editorial... <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The astonishing thing is that it appears the selectmen and police took the request seriously. Corrective efforts need to ignore the flake who made the ridiculous complaint, and instead concentrate on those with the authority to respond by adding unnecessary prudery to the official community rules. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We are in a democracy - our democracy is often called "Jeffersonian democracy" -- in which the minority doesn't always get their way.

But the minority - be it a nudist or a woman who wants to mandate bathing suits for infants - at least gets the opportunity to get up on the soap box, is heard and listened to, and gets a chance to do what free speech is supposed to do = affect attitudes.

So the police and town boards listened to her. The local newspaper scoffed at her, and I'm sure most residents of Rye are doing the same thing. This is called "democracy in action."

I think we would be accorded the same rights if a resident approached the selectmen and ask for a set-aside nude area. We would likely also not win, and we too would experience a bit of ridicule, but we would get our chance to get up and speak and be heard.

Consider that the complainant was from the only area in the country where, in a neighboring town to Rye, the owners of a nudist park also have been elected to prominent governing positions in the town.

The police and the townspeople listened. And they and the community moved on because they had bigger fish to fry.

But they did LISTEN. I like that idea.

So what's the problem?

missouriboy

08-23-2005, 03:52 AM

But they did LISTEN. I like that idea.

So what's the problem? There's no problem, I think we're saying the same thing. The selectmen are duty-bound to listen to all, and that's fine.

What I'm saying is that people opposed to the "flake" needn't waste their breath railing about her opinion (which she's entitled to) but instead need to be sure those selectmen hear their own opposing votes. Because it's the selectmen who have the authority to make change, not the complainant.

tinner666

10-12-2005, 01:42 PM

Wonder what she thinks of all the nude children in commercials nowadays? And a topless female around 8yrs. old on a tv show today? http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Frank

Bob S.

10-12-2005, 06:34 PM

tinner, what are you watching? Is this cable or network? I've never seen it on network.

But as for the commercials, I hate the diaper/wipes commercials where a woman's hand is gently cliding over the baby's bottom. That just disturbs me. That or grosses me out. I haven't decided.

Bob S.

tinner666

10-16-2005, 05:25 PM

It was one of those G. Kennedy air diaster movies about a hijacking. Frank

tinner666

10-16-2005, 05:27 PM

By the way, Bob S., have we met at WTP??And yeah, that's me on Farrington Hall in the pic. Frank http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

NudeTopher

10-16-2005, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by BackpackerBrian:
Will someone please get this woman something to help her anxiety problems.

Rx:

20 mg. Diazapan qid

Bob S.

10-16-2005, 06:19 PM

Seems to be either Airport (1970) or Airport '77 .

And I am sure we have seen each other at White Tail, Frank. Assuming the weather holds up, I plan to go this Saturday. If not, I will try to be there sometime during the first week of Novenmber.

Bob S.

tinner666

10-17-2005, 04:27 PM

The wife and I will be on 406 this weekend. Godwilling, and no more mishaps. Frank

Walt Iliff

10-17-2005, 05:01 PM

Frank,

What's for dinner Sat night? Also, tell Lou I need another haircut.

Walt

tinner666

10-18-2005, 03:01 AM

Oyster Roast this Sat. We can still throw something on for you.( except clothes )! http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
She said Ok to Haircut. Bob S. might be around too. Did you locate that project book with the game plans? Frank

takeitontherun

10-27-2005, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by parrott7582:
that lady is sick in the head,,,to go up to a parent and push them to the point of anger over thier little kid being naked is ridiculous!! that lady should stay at home then. kinda like tv ,,if u dont like what u see turn it

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About as bad as the spitting people do over breastfeeding in public and diaper changing as well......*roll eyes*

Sauna

10-27-2005, 12:41 PM

Taking into account the fears of the lady, maybe it is better that nobody moves to avoid an accident.

Ren

10-27-2005, 02:31 PM

The state motto of New Hampshire is Live Free or Die. Apparently she has chosen the less desirable option.

hm0504

10-27-2005, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by Ren:
The state motto of New Hampshire is Live Free or Die. Apparently she has chosen the less desirable option.

Good one!

naturalmanwa

10-30-2005, 05:44 AM

In all the years I have been going nude at public and private beaches and established areas or not, I have had many problems with people's dog's and none with children,even teens. People think their dogs can do anything they want and need not be leashed and to hell with anyone who disagrees. I have several small housedogs who love the outdoors but I always keep them leashed and by my side.

This woman obviously is mentally disturbed and is one of the ones who uses a nice beach for her a dog toilet and to let her mutt run all over everyone's stuff with sandy feet. I don't think the help she needs is available as it would take a miracle to cure her!

usuallylurk

10-30-2005, 07:38 AM

Originally posted by naturalmanwa:

This woman obviously is mentally disturbed and is one of the ones who uses a nice beach for her a dog toilet and to let her mutt run all over everyone's stuff with sandy feet. I don't think the help she needs is available as it would take a miracle to cure her!

This is old news.

The town selectmen and police listened to her, and basically ignored her complaint.

In defending democracy -- they gave her a "day in court" -- the court of public opinion.

She was heard.

I think the reactions from the people in the Town of Rye and Rockingham County, NH are very parallel to what you have been reading in here.

The potshot at the RC church, of course, not included.

pek1

10-30-2005, 06:14 PM

A couple of things go through my mind:

1. Doesn't this woman have any cookies at home that she needs to bake? http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

2. Doesn't she need to be somewhere else?

Pete

usuallylurk

10-30-2005, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by pek1:
A couple of things go through my mind:

1. Doesn't this woman have any cookies at home that she needs to bake? http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

2. Doesn't she need to be somewhere else?

Pete

No. Let her alone. The more she talks, the more credibility she gives to our side.

And she is almost unique. Even though New Hampshire is predominately Republican, we do not suffer the burden of right-wing Republican politics here. The Republican party atmosphere is more libertarian-oriented than radical-right.

Sauna

10-31-2005, 01:12 AM

There are always people who want to get back the time when alcohol was banned in 1920-1930 in some other are. Please do not help them answering to them because they do not listen others. The only get more energy like hurricane from others comments. Silence is gold

NudstRalph

10-31-2005, 02:35 AM

Our kids are our future of nudism.

T.L. Young

11-02-2005, 10:23 PM

What a load of empty-headed bull****! That dried up old ***** does NOT deserve a full page of news coverage and certainly doesn't have enough brain cells in that feces-filled dome she calls a head to think a single rational thought.

I can't believe any reasonable person would take her seriously. In the old days, raving lunatics with the IQ of a watermelon would be carted away to the mental hospital, where cameras can't follow.

Do people really believe that sex offenders would rape a child on a public beach just because they're naked?

BTW, I apologize if I've offended any watermelons.

Tony Young

foux003

12-15-2005, 02:51 PM

God forbid. Naked todlers on a beach. What is this world coming to?

nacktman

12-16-2005, 06:32 AM

Lunatics used to be locked up but a ball gag would suffice here. This 'lady' can look at it as a piece of clothing and therefore have no problem wearing it.

Pieguy

12-16-2005, 02:22 PM

Put some pants on that dog! Do you want to attract the dogaphiles?

hatesclothes

12-24-2005, 08:40 AM

NOT a good idea for youngsters to have too much Sun exposure; their skin often is not prepared for infra-red (?). Best to use moderation in all things.
I believe it is good someone (in general) is aware of pedophiles; that is notice to them that their activities are subject to being monitored.
other than above, Have Fun, get neekid!

Reece852

12-27-2005, 11:36 AM

Oh my god... how pathetic IS this lady?
Mind your own business.. this shouldn't be any concern of hers... how can anyone possibly care so much about such a stupid thing?

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I'm happy that some people reacted to her bullying though... that's really what it is. Bullying.

Pops

12-28-2005, 07:23 AM

I have to say after reading the article and the dad's response that she was over the line a bit.
If in fact the kids were clothed and did take off their suits and run around a bit I say no big deal.
If they went to the clothed beach and their parents let them spend the day nude, that is another story.
If it's a clothed beach, that's the rule.
In this case though, that lady should have just kept walking.