Druidry and naturism

[natural]

Hi,

I am a Druid and practise skyclad, that is in the nude. Naturism and paganism go hand in hand, it is about the connection to the earth and nature. Only by discarding our clothing can we be free of worldly ties.

Bright Blessings to everybody,

David

[natural]

Hi,

I am a Druid and practise skyclad, that is in the nude. Naturism and paganism go hand in hand, it is about the connection to the earth and nature. Only by discarding our clothing can we be free of worldly ties.

Bright Blessings to everybody,

David

[nudeM]

natural: Nice picture of yourself, but I do have a question. I notice your name is David, but why is your avatar image a female? Just a question.

[Trailscout]

David,

You struck a pose nearly identical to a classic illustration by Leonardo da Vinci!

I am a Christian, but have long admired the attitude of being in harmony with nature and respect for the body that some other belief systems have.

I think that many intellectually honest Christians have come to realize that body shame is a bit of Greek philosophy that was patched onto Christian thought nearly 2000 years ago. This badly patched on idea has never been compatible with the main body of our belief in a loving creator who made beautiful holy things, including our bodies. Of course not all Greek philosophy is implicated, merely the notion of an aecetic dualism between a good spiritual realm and an evil physical realm.

I do not deny that there are elements of chaos and disharmony in the physical world, but that that the created world still has much goodness and beauty from the hand of the Creator.

On mild and sunny days, it is still appropriate for me to bare my somewhat imperfect body to a somewhat imperfect world to honor the Creator who made us nude by design. Our natural state of nudity allows us to experience our environment unhindered by the sensory deprivation caused by clothing.

[Vin]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by natural:
I am a Druid and practise skyclad, that is in the nude. Naturism and paganism go hand in hand, it is about the connection to the earth and nature. Only by discarding our clothing can we be free of worldly ties. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Merry Meet David,

I'm a solitary Wiccan (at the moment /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ) who also practices skyclad whenever possible. I know there are those who fall under the Pagan umbrella who disagree, but I think you're spot on that spirituality and naturism go hand in hand. I tend to think that the only manifestation of the universe that we CAN touch is the planet herself and our connection to all the life that she and the sun have brought forth. The best way, for me, to experience that connection is to get rid of all the trappings of society and just go BE a human being in nature.

I just wanted to say thanks for the link to your site. I'm really enjoying reading through it.

Bright Blessings,
Vin

[florida-david]

question for you guys (from another david) - are any of you smooth? i am not and do believe that we each were created beautifully and do not need to modify our aesthetics. it seems more natural to look like we were created - which to me means nude, without make-up, fuzzy, etc. the only thing worthy of cutting (definitely not circumcision!!) is the hair on the tops of our head and our facial hair. but even cutting that hair is to blend in with a society that disgrees with long hair on males.

i hope this does not hijack your post, but rather leads to some insiteful discussion. i need to do more research on your philosphies as i find them very relevant to my personal feelings towards spirituality. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Vin]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by florida-david:
question for you guys (from another david) - are any of you smooth? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Not me. I agree entirely that natural is best, and that includes whatever hair you are or aren't endowed with. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I do keep the hair on top of my head fairly short, and I don't have a beard. But that's because it's too hot here for long hair to be comfortable. As for shaving anywhere else, I really do prefer to feel the wind in my hair -- so to speak. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[shãybare]

Hey guys, what about the hair in your nose, your ears, your eyebrows? As a lot of men get older this hair begins to grow wildly. I believe personal grooming is just that--personal.

Forever nude,
Shaybare

[Vin]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by shaybare:
Hey guys, what about the hair in your nose, your ears, your eyebrows? As a lot of men get older this hair begins to grow wildly. I believe personal grooming is just that--personal. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Touch?! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Jochanaan]

The word "naturism" itself implies a respect for the natural way in all things. The only reason I keep my head-hair and beard trimmed is to get a job. Till recently I had not cut my hair for years, and it was down to about the tips of my shoulder blades, although it's thinning on top. (That's natural too.) My curly beard didn't fall as low but was very full.

Remember Samson, whose lifelong Nazarite vow precluded haircuts until Delilah got to him. There's also a Levitical prohibition against trimming "the corners of your beard" that applied to all Jews. One still sees Eastern European Jews with uncut curls at their ears. Maybe we could learn something...

[Vin]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by florida-david:
i need to do more research on your philosphies as i find them very relevant to my personal feelings towards spirituality. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That's sort of how I got interested in Paganism. It was strange to find people who thought the same way I do about the universe and how the metaphysical aspects of it work.

How's the research going?

[natural]

Hi Guys!

Thanks for all the replys. I chose the Avatar image just because it was of someone doing yoga, but will upload my own sometime. As for the picture of myself, I am standing in the pentagram position, that is the five elements, earth, air, fire, water and spirit.

As for the question of smoothies, I have tried it and like it, but being naturally quite hairy tend to let it grow (at least in the winter) due to the amount of effort required to get rid of it. It gives you a different connection to nature, a more 'naked' feeling and apparently lets lifeforce flow easier.

BB

David

[Dale B]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by natural:
Naturism and paganism go hand in hand, it is about the connection to the earth and nature.

David <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>This may by true but I'd rather be a Christian, which is what God wants for each and every one of us and which is stated in the Bible (at least my Bible--NIV).

The Great Commission: (Matthew 28:19-20)
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dale B:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by natural:
Naturism and paganism go hand in hand, it is about the connection to the earth and nature.

David <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>This may by true but I'd rather be a Christian, which is what God wants for each and every one of us and which is stated in the Bible (at least my Bible--NIV).

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>So what if the bible says that? Many people, including me, don't believe the bible is something to follow. You need to allow others to believe in what they want to or not believe in anything at all if that is what they want. Give me a reason that isn't in the bible why I should believe like you.

Believing because the bible says so would be like my writing a book and putting in there that everybody needed to make me their supreme being.

[florida-david]

cyndiann - i want a copy of your book once you write it.

i agree that many find comfort in the bible, but it is only a book written by MAN interpretting what they believe god wants us to believe. why has it been re-written so many time over the years? so many awful things have been done over time all in the name of spreading one person's version of the bible. if we can't convert those awful people, than surely it's ok to kll them?? well, that philosophy does not work for me. believe what you want, but don't force it on me or others.... /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[Smoof]

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Believing because the bible says so would be like my writing a book and putting in there that everybody needed to make me their supreme being.[/QB][/QUOTE]

This is right Cynianne, You really must let it sink in to your heart and BELIEVE in it. Otherwise, at face value, it would be any other ol' book.
I let it be that way for too many years myself. Sorry I did. I made a lot of bad mistakes along the way, living outside of God's blessings. You get tricked into believing that you can depend entirely on yourself and you miss the blessings God wants to put in you path. Paganism is one of these tricks to keep you out of God's blessing.

God Bless you,
Smoof

[Vin]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Smoof:
You really must let it sink in to your heart and BELIEVE in it. Otherwise, at face value, it would be any other ol' book....

Paganism is one of these tricks to keep you out of God's blessing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Oh gods, I just can't let this one go.

I guess we should begin at the beginning: prove it.

Then let's move this to a different thread. This conversation will have NOTHING to do with Druidry.

[Vin]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dale B:
This may by true but I'd rather be a Christian, which is what God wants for each and every one of us and which is stated in the Bible (at least my Bible--NIV).

The Great Commission: (Matthew 28:19-20)
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Surely you aren't proposing to baptize them by force if necessary? /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Obviously, Christianity works for you. It doens't for everyone. I am mystified as to why that is so difficult to accept. If I'm not trying to convert you to worship of the Goddess, why in the world would I want you trying to convert me to worship of your aspect of the God?

[Angel]

Hmm, notice how many of us address "my religion is better than your religion", rather than "nudism as part of a religion"? I had to fight that impulse, too. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thanks for posting the link to your site, David. I have only had time to quick-browse through it, but look forward to reading more about your practices.

[Vin]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Angel:
Hmm, notice how many of us address "my religion is better than your religion", rather than "nudism as part of a religion"? I had to fight that impulse, too. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Quite right. I stand duly chastised. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

For the record, I choose to include nudism in my religion, for the same reasons David mentioned. Some Wiccan traditions require ritual nudity, but being solitary I get to decide whether to incorporate it.