our president

[sw1sweendog]

just need your opinion.while our troops were getting killed today.bush was at a baseball game.in my opinion he should be in the white house,untill the war is over.after all,he did start it.what do you think.

[sw1sweendog]

just need your opinion.while our troops were getting killed today.bush was at a baseball game.in my opinion he should be in the white house,untill the war is over.after all,he did start it.what do you think.

[KirkOntario]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sw2sweendog:
just need your opinion.while our troops were getting killed today.bush was at a baseball game.in my opinion he should be in the white house,untill the war is over.after all,he did start it.what do you think. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He might be watching the game on Telly in the Whitehouse. Would you unplug that too? http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Korak]

As someone that served in both Viet Nam and Desert Shield/Storm, I would not want folks in this country to put their lives on hold while I was serving.
If I was in Irag during this mess I would not begrudge the President a baseball game anymore than I would begrudge you a day at a nude beach.

[nudeM]

Oh no, here we go again. This thread is going to attract the Bush Bashers.

Getting back on topic, I see nothing wrong with the President attending a baseball game. One thing I can commend the President is that he has not been on a lot of foreign trips, not like the past Presidents.

In my opinion, I believe we are doing a great job overseas. The daily papers make it sound like we are losing the war, but we are getting to the 'inner circle' of Al Queda. We have not broken them yet, but we have put a hurt on them.

They are beginning to feel the pressure the coalations' success'. Just my opinion.

The President should not have to stop his personal life JUST to stay in the White House and keep a close eye on the wars' progess. But be assured, should anything come up while he is attending an event, he does have access to national emergencies. Even though he is not 'at home', his entourage is close by to pass on any information that may come up.

[MJ_KC]

The troops get to have periodic breaks from their jobs just like anyone else. The President should get to take a break also. I do not agree with your opinion at all.

[NudeTopher]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nudeM:
Oh no, here we go again. This thread is going to attract the Bush Bashers.

Getting back on topic, I see nothing wrong with the President attending a baseball game. One thing I can commend the President is that he has not been on a lot of foreign trips, not like the past Presidents.

In my opinion, I believe we are doing a great job overseas. The daily papers make it sound like we are losing the war, but we are getting to the 'inner circle' of Al Queda. We have not broken them yet, but we have put a hurt on them.

They are beginning to feel the pressure the coalations' success'. Just my opinion.

The President should not have to stop his personal life JUST to stay in the White House and keep a close eye on the wars' progess. But be assured, should anything come up while he is attending an event, he does have access to national emergencies. Even though he is not 'at home', his entourage is close by to pass on any information that may come up. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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My opinion of the president is so low that it could not be expressed here. But, that doesn't mean that he shouldn't attend a baseball game or a state dinner. Presidents declare war but don't have to go fight them. Perhaps if they did, then we wouldn't go to war so frequently.

I don't know if you are talking about the war in Afghan. or Iraq. If you are talking about Iran then the war on Al-Quida isn't part of the equation. They weren't there before our invasion. If they are there now it's because of the vacumn that we created.

You are happy that the President isn't taking too many foreign trips and I see that as being indicative of his not getting along with foreign leaders. I'd much prefer a President that played well with others--open communication, mutual respect, and acceptance will do more for world peace then arrogance and isolationism.

[Tara]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nudeM:
Even though he is not 'at home', his entourage is close by to pass on any information that may come up. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL! And when they pass on that information to him will he continue watching the game for 10 minutes before doing anything? Like when he was informed of 9/11 and continued reading a children's book?

To answer your original question of the topic, I don't give a crap about the baseball game or anything he does anymore. I think he's a scumbag and I have never hated a human being more. I could go on for hours listing the things I detest about that pathetic attempt at a man, but I'd rather go out and enjoy the sun and trees and fresh air we have left no thanks to him.

And wait what war are we talking about? I thought I heard something about "Mission Accomplished..."

And the above is of course, IMHO, not truth. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Have a nice day!

[Qikdraw]

Going to a baseball game is sometimes the job of a president. (Although if I was president I'd be going to a hockey game. Actually I'd make the NHL end the crap going on and get a season going. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif )

Presidents are supposed to be visible that way, and I find nothing wrong with him going to the game. If he did it every week that would be something else though.

Qikdraw

[NudeTopher]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tara:

LOL! And when they pass on that information to him will he continue watching the game for 10 minutes before doing anything? Like when he was informed of 9/11 and continued reading a children's book?

To answer your original question of the topic, I don't give a crap about the baseball game or anything he does anymore. I think he's a scumbag and I have never hated a human being more. I could go on for hours listing the things I detest about that pathetic attempt at a man, but I'd rather go out and enjoy the sun and trees and fresh air we have left no thanks to him.

And wait what war are we talking about? I thought I heard something about "Mission Accomplished..."

And the above is of course, IMHO, not truth. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Have a nice day! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Tara, I think this post may disqualify us from being invited to the White House to celebrate Nude Recreation Week with the first family. Just a hunch I have girl.

[WacoTX]

Tara, be thankful you didn't live in Texas while he was governor. I thought, after his performance at the state level, who would elect him prez? The world is full of surprises.

[Paniga]

i remember people saying invading iraq will be a cake walk. Just how long is a cake walk anyways?

[NudeTopher]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WacoTX:
Tara, be thankful you didn't live in Texas while he was governor. I thought, after his performance at the state level, who would elect him prez? The world is full of surprises. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Perhaps they were just trying to get im OUT of Texas.

[slo]

Maybe it's the topic or maybe it's my current sentiments about bush, but I had to share this joke I got the other day.

Three Doctors

Three Doctors were playing golf together and discussing surgeries they had performed.

The first one said, "I'm the best surgeon in Texas. A concert pianist lost 7 fingers in an accident, I reattached them, and 8 months later he performed a private concert for the Queen of England."

The second doctor said, "That's nothing. A young man lost both arms and legs in an accident, I reattached them, and 2 years later he won a gold medal in field events in the olympics."

The third surgeon said, "You guys are amateurs. Several years ago a cowboy who was high on cocaine and alcohol rode a horse head-on into a train traveling 80 miles an hour. All I had left to work with was the horse's *** and a cowboy hat and damn if he didn't become president of the USA.

[hm0504]

Maybe if the President spent more time at baseball games, the U.S. would be doing better in Iraq. http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Ren]

How is it good that the President doesn't take as many foreign trips as past presidents? Considering his lack of awareness about the rest of the world and his myopic view about what the U.S. is and how he is a very poor global citizen bent on ruining the world's environment with the policies here at home, wouldn't Bush benefit from a few trips outside of DC and Crawford?

[jon71]

hm0504 is right. The man has a reverse midas touch. Anything he has anything to do with turns to crap. The less involved he is with anything the better. Shame he can't spend every minute of the next 2 1/2 years under sedation.

[vintagecarguy]

Cthulhu for President in 2008
why settle for the LESSER evil.

Cthulhu promises and end to wastefull 2 party politics.
He promises an end to poverty,hate,war,crime.
in short..he promises an END.

"That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die."


Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.


scratching your head?
just a little fun from the writings of H.P. Lovecraft

[KirkOntario]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nudeM:
Oh no, here we go again. This thread is going to attract the Bush Bashers.

Getting back on topic, I see nothing wrong with the President attending a baseball game. One thing I can commend the President is that he has not been on a lot of foreign trips, not like the past Presidents.

In my opinion, I believe we are doing a great job overseas. The daily papers make it sound like we are losing the war, but we are getting to the 'inner circle' of Al Queda. We have not broken them yet, but we have put a hurt on them.

They are beginning to feel the pressure the coalations' success'. Just my opinion.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This president has taken some risks and has some very noble ideas. Other presidents wanted to be like, considered themselves a 'stateman' and led the peace process in the Middle East down a path to almost open war between Palestine and Israel. This president may go down in history as great president. It is FAR too early to judge but one thing is clear: he's no dummy (LOL he had better marks than Kerry at Yale, Kerry actually got a 'D' in political science; he also beat him on the military intelligence test) http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[slo]

Kirk:
As of late and considering his posturing on Gitmo and returning the troops, I dare say that W is probably going to beat out Jimmy Carter as the President that thought he could and didn't. However, I will concede Kerry would have sold us out by now.

SLO & thinking 3 more long years. Oh! my.!

[KirkOntario]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slo:
Kirk:
As of late and considering his posturing on Gitmo and returning the troops, I dare say that W is probably going to beat out Jimmy Carter as the President that thought he could and didn't. However, I will concede Kerry would have sold us out by now.

SLO & thinking 3 more long years. Oh! my.! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not sure what you mean by "posturing on Gitmo and returning the troops."

[usuallylurk]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NudeTopher
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Tara, I think this post may disqualify us from being invited to the White House to celebrate Nude Recreation Week with the first family. Just a hunch I have girl. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tara and Toph

I was invited to the White House for Nude Recreation Week. Unfortunately, I had already made other plans, so I had my people get back to Dubya's people and sent regrets.

[OZJames]

Instead of going to a baseball game - if Presidents were obligated to LEAD THEIR TROOPS into BATTLE like they did in the "bad old days" then the world might be a better place.

Our Australian retiring army General Peter Cosgrove recently said that the biggest thing that ever worried him was his troops being killed. I wonder whether that is also W'ya's biggest worry - I think not.

http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <span class="ev_code_RED">JAMES</span> http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[KirkOntario]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OZJames:
Instead of going to a baseball game - if Presidents were obligated to LEAD THEIR TROOPS into BATTLE like they did in the "bad old days" then the world might be a better place.

[/color] http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Henry V was the last British King to lead his troops into battle. He did so to make a very dubious claim on the French crown, embarked on a very risky venture lost many soldiers and almost lost the war if he had not been miraculously saved by the untried British longbow.

[P.J.]

I would be the first to admit that I disagree with some of the decisions George W. Bush made while Governor of Texas and later as President of the United States.

However, he is the President of the United States and better than the alternatives which the Democrats have tried to subject us to.

I would also like to remind you that, like it or not, we are at war with some savages who would gladly subject us to their twisted sick joke of a judicial system known as "Sharia."

Those same savages would also be happy to murder every one of us, who would not roll over and submit to their form of militant Islam.

Instead of blasting the President, or making shrill (and in many cases, ignorant) cries for impeachment, I suggest making realistic suggestions and then write to your elected officials. Whether or not they received your votes in the past election, they want your votes in the upcoming elections.

Some of the critics are thoughtful, sincere and intelligent.

But then some of the others are absolute fools who need a reality check before subjecting others to the benifit of their lack of wisdom.

[Ren]

Mind you, I'm not saying you should sympathize with killers. Of course not. But you should rise above the fray when it comes to discussing the opposition, or you risk becoming like them.

[Qikdraw]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I would also like to remind you that, like it or not, we are at war with some savages who would gladly subject us to their twisted sick joke of a judicial system known as "Sharia." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And we have the savages of the RRR trying to make us submit to their version of law brought out about what they believe the bible tells them. Radicals of ANY stripe are dangerous.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Those same savages would also be happy to murder every one of us, who would not roll over and submit to their form of militant Islam. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The key phrase in that is "their form of militant Islam", just to make sure they the brush is not painted too wide, and that its just a minority of Islamic poeple who think that way.

The vast majority of Islamic people just want to live life in peace, they have no problems living beside someone of a different faith.

Qikdraw

[NudeTopher]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by P.J.:
I would be the first to admit that I disagree with some of the decisions George W. Bush made while Governor of Texas and later as President of the United States.<span class="ev_code_BLUE">I'm sure that the seniors who need affordable meds and were sold out by Bush will be comforted by your words. I'm sure the mother's who have lost 1,700 of their children in Iraq will also find comfort in your words. I'm sure that the planet will be able to recover from the strip mining on public lands will appreciate your words. Can somebody please point out something good that has come out of the Bush reign?</span>

However, he is the President of the United States and better than the alternatives which the Democrats have tried to subject us to.<span class="ev_code_BLUE">How can you say that a president who waged war without an exit plan, refuses to establish an exit plan, has destabalized the Middle East, and has increased the ranks of the terrorists that hate us is better then a candidate who was never given a chance and who brought up an exit strategy in his campaign? Do you have grandchildren? If so, Bush has provided them with a cost of war that they will be paying for their entire lives. He took the largest surplus in history and created the largest deficit in history. What makes you so sure that even the worst of the Democratic candidates would have been worse. In fact, is it possible for anybody to have done worse?</span>

I would also like to remind you that, like it or not, we are at war with some savages who would gladly subject us to their twisted sick joke of a judicial system known as "Sharia." <span class="ev_code_BLUE">I suppose that you realize that now our allies consider us savages. Just last week the Italian courts have indicted over ten CIA agents for brutal attacks. (Google: cia, italy, indict as your keywords.)</span>

Those same savages would also be happy to murder every one of us, who would not roll over and submit to their form of militant Islam. <span class="ev_code_BLUE">Considering we have killed over 100,000 Iraqi innocent women and children what does that say about us?</span>

Instead of blasting the President, or making shrill (and in many cases, ignorant) cries for impeachment, I suggest making realistic suggestions and then write to your elected officials. Whether or not they received your votes in the past election, they want your votes in the upcoming elections.<span class="ev_code_BLUE">Some of us do write to our representatives on a regular basis. However, with the current one party rule in this country our voices don't matter. You consider our call for impeachment ignorant. We are trying to save our country from the tyrany and killing inflicted by the Bush machine. No doubt you consider life to be worthless since it doesn't bother you. Yet, I bet you were at the front of the line calling for Clinton's impeachment for a blow job where the only injured parties was his wife and daughter. Too bad you consider oral sex worse then death and destruction.</span>

Some of the critics are thoughtful, sincere and intelligent. <span class="ev_code_BLUE">For a man who claims to be "pro-life" you seem not to care about life after it exits the birth canal!</span>

But then some of the others are absolute fools who need a reality check before subjecting others to the benifit of their lack of wisdom. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[KirkOntario]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Qikdraw:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I would also like to remind you that, like it or not, we are at war with some savages who would gladly subject us to their twisted sick joke of a judicial system known as "Sharia." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And we have the savages of the RRR trying to make us submit to their version of law brought out about what they believe the bible tells them. Radicals of ANY stripe are dangerous.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Those same savages would also be happy to murder every one of us, who would not roll over and submit to their form of militant Islam. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Qikdraw </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I hardly think you can compare religious conservatives in the USA to Islamic radicals such as the Taliban or Al Quaeda. To suggest they are the same is just flat wrong.

[KirkOntario]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NudeTopher (christopher):


[color:BLUE]How can you say that a president who waged war without an exit plan, refuses to establish an exit plan, has destabalized the Middle East, and has increased the ranks of the terrorists that hate us is better then a candidate who was never given a chance and who brought up an exit strategy in his campaign?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Again, you don't know that the ranks of terrorists have been increased as a result of the war. There are no such records nor do you know how many there would have been had we listed to the radical left who wanted us to do nothing in response to 9/11.

Bush has an exit plan. You are confusing that with a timetable. The plan is to defeat the insurgency the way the British did in Malaysia in the 1950s by training the Iraqi police and military to fight them. Any President who announced a timetable for withdrawl would be irresponsible.

[NudeTopher]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KirkOntario:

I hardly think you can compare religious conservatives in the USA to Islamic radicals such as the Taliban or Al Quaeda. To suggest they are the same is just flat wrong. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The KKK was certainly a fundamentalist Christian group that claimed to be doing "God's Work" as they fire-bombed; ignited crosses on the lawns of blacks, Jews, and civil rights workers; and lynched their enemies from trees. Were these radical actions done in the name of being "Good Christians" any less deadly then the radical Islamist jihad inspired beheadings?

Fundamentalism is fundamentally wrong!

[KirkOntario]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NudeTopher (christopher):
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KirkOntario:

I hardly think you can compare religious conservatives in the USA to Islamic radicals such as the Taliban or Al Quaeda. To suggest they are the same is just flat wrong. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The KKK was certainly a fundamentalist Christian group that claimed to be doing "God's Work" as they fire-bombed; ignited crosses on the lawns of blacks, Jews, and civil rights workers; and lynched their enemies from trees. Were these radical actions done in the name of being "Good Christians" any less deadly then the radical Islamist jihad inspired beheadings?

Fundamentalism is fundamentally wrong! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Ummm I thought we were talking about today not 100 years ago....

Sorry but The KKK was more politcal than religious and was founded by southern democrats.
Their counterparts in Washington perfected the fillibuster to stop any attempts to alleviate the situation --that same fillibuster democrats are today trumpeting as the cornerstone of democracy.

[NudeTopher]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KirkOntario:
Any President who announced a timetable for withdrawl would be irresponsible. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wrong!
Wrong!
Wrong!

What you are suggesting is that IF an exit plan and timetable was announced then the insurgents would just wait until that time to attack. By default what you are saying is that the Iraqi Army will never be strong enough to defend themselves.

The insurgents will fight-that is their job. If they wait until the U.S. and others are gone from Iraq then it will be up to the Iraqi Army to fend them off. If you are saying that without foreign troops to assist they will not be able to defend themselves then all of our training was for naught and the war and reconstruction was unwinnable.

[NudeTopher]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KirkOntario:


Sorry but The KKK was more politcal than religious and was founded by southern democrats.
. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Actually, those are the Dixicrats that comprise the current Republican party.

[KirkOntario]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NudeTopher (christopher):
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KirkOntario:


Sorry but The KKK was more politcal than religious and was founded by southern democrats.
. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Actually, those are the Dixicrats that comprise the current Republican party. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can you name a single Republican sitting in Congress who was or is a Klanman? I can on the other side: Senator Robert Byrd, democrat from West Virginia was a member of the KKK.

[NudeTopher]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NudeTopher (christopher):

Fundamentalism is fundamentally wrong! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Ummm I thought we were talking about today not 100 years ago....

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Sorry Kirk, the timetable is irrelevent. The example that fundamentalism of any sort is wrong still stands.

[NudeTopher]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KirkOntario:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NudeTopher (christopher):
[QUOTE]Originally posted by KirkOntario:


Sorry but The KKK was more politcal than religious and was founded by southern democrats.
. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Actually, those are the Dixicrats that comprise the current Republican party. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can you name a single Republican sitting in Congress who was or is a Klanman? I can on the other side: Senator Robert Byrd, democrat from West Virginia was a member of the KKK.[/QUOTE--------------------------------------------------
Go back and read what LBJ had to say when he signed into law the civil rights legislation that JFK didn't live to see enacted. As he signed the legislation, stating that it was the right thing to do, he acknowledged that with the shift to the Republican party of the redneck vote it would keep the Democrats out of the white house for the next 100 years. The proof is there-with the exception of Carter and Clinton (both white male southerners) the Democrats have not carried the south nor been elected to the White House.

[Danee]

From KKK Extremism in America (http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/KKK.asp?xpicked=4&item=18)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Ideology: Some Christian fundamentalist beliefs, Christian Identity, white supremacy </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Most of today's Klans have subtly adopted beliefs from both the militia movement and Identity Christianity. They fear the "New World Order," believe Jews and liberals are attempting to outlaw their religious practices, and consider gays and other "deviants" to be forcing their lifestyles into the mainstream </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Doesn't sound much like a Democratic philosophy to me.

[Danee]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Bush has an exit plan </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes he does. January, 2009, Boeing 747, white and light blue in color, 2 hr. flight to DFW, and leaving the re-construction job to the next 4 presidents.

[NudistGuy47]

Thanks Danee for a good laugh<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Yes he does. January, 2009, Boeing 747, white and light blue in color, 2 hr. flight to DFW, and leaving the re-construction job to the next 4 presidents. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks Danee for a good laugh!

[Ren]

It'd likely be Andrews AFB or Ellington. You expect Bush to fly commercial? He gives them tax breaks, not his own money.

[hm0504]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jon71:
Shame he (President Bush) can't spend every minute of the next 2 1/2 years under sedation. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hate to ruin your day jon71, but I think it is actually 3 1/2 more years.

[Qikdraw]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KirkOntario:
I hardly think you can compare religious conservatives in the USA to Islamic radicals such as the Taliban or Al Quaeda. To suggest they are the same is just flat wrong. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The methods are different to be sure, but they both want the same thing, a radically religious government putting their viewpoint on morals, and their religion across the country.

Just because the RRR doesn't have suicide bombers and massive amounts of shootings does not mean that their end results are not the same, just a different religion.

Plus, here is a little nugget for you.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Last week senators co-sponsored a resolution to apologize for previous legislative failures to prevent lynchings during the first half of the 20th century. Unfortunately, Majority Leader Bill Frist "refused repeated requests for a roll call vote that would have put senators on the record," according to (http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/0605/15natlynch.html) the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. So who were the senators who decided not to sign on to the resolution? Here they are*, courtesy of (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/6/14/12949/6428) DailyKos.com:

Alexander (R-TN)
Bennett (R-UT)
Cochran (R-MS)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Enzi (R-WY)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lott (R-MS)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Sununu (R-NH)
Thomas (R-WY)

* Editor's note: The list of twenty senators we originally linked to was apparently slightly outdated - since it was published, six of those senators joined with their saner counterparts. The list above reflects the fourteen senators we now know (http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/06/updated-list-of-gop-senators-who-still.html) to be fans of lynching, thanks to AmericaBlog. And yes - they're all Republicans. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Taken from Top Ten Conservative Idiots (http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/05/202.html), this one is #9.

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[KirkOntario]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NudeTopher
Go back and read what LBJ had to say when he signed into law the civil rights legislation that JFK didn't live to see enacted. As he signed the legislation, stating that it was the right thing to do, he acknowledged that with the shift to the Republican party of the redneck vote it would keep the Democrats out of the white house for the next 100 years. The proof is there-with the exception of Carter and Clinton (both white male southerners) the Democrats have not carried the south nor been elected to the White House. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I didn't hear any names did I?

Classic point! the Civil Rights Act was only passed over the objections of southern democrats due to the Republican party.

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Danee:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Bush has an exit plan </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes he does. January, 2009, Boeing 747, white and light blue in color, 2 hr. flight to DFW, and leaving the re-construction job to the next 4 presidents. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't forget all the pre-emptived pardons he will be handing out to all of his cabinet members and neocon supporters. He may even resign a day early so that Cheney can grant him one too!

-Mark

[Qikdraw]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KirkOntario:
Classic point! the Civil Rights Act was only passed over the objections of southern democrats due to the Republican party. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nice try with revisionist history.

The assassination of John Kennedy in November 1963 left most civil rights leaders grief-stricken. Kennedy had been the first president since Harry Truman to champion equal rights for black Americans, and they knew little about his successor, Lyndon Baines Johnson. Although Johnson had helped engineer the Civil Rights Act of 1957, that had been a mild measure, and no one knew if the Texan would continue Kennedy's call for civil rights or move to placate his fellow southerners.

But on November 27, 1963, addressing the Congress and the nation for the first time as president, Johnson called for passage of the civil rights bill as a monument to the fallen Kennedy. "Let us continue," he declared, promising that "the ideas and the ideals which [Kennedy] so nobly represented must and will be translated into effective action." Moreover, where Kennedy had been sound on principle, Lyndon Johnson was the master of parliamentary procedure, and he used his considerable talents as well as the prestige of the presidency in support of the bill.

On February 10, 1964, the House of Representatives passed the measure by a lopsided 290-130 vote, but everyone knew that the real battle would be in the Senate, whose rules had allowed southerners in the past to mount filibusters that had effectively killed nearly all civil rights legislation. But Johnson pulled every string he knew, and had the civil rights leaders mount a massive lobbying campaign, including inundating the Capitol with religious leaders of all faiths and colors. The strategy paid off, and in June the Senate voted to close debate; a few weeks later, it passed the most important piece of civil rights legislation in the nation's history, and on July 2, 1964, President Johnson signed it into law.

Link (http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/facts/democrac/39.htm)

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[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KirkOntario:

Classic point! the Civil Rights Act was only passed over the objections of southern democrats due to the Republican party. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The issue split both parties, but a majority of both supported it.

However, not a single southern Republican supported it.

Vote totals:

* The Original House Version: 290-130
* The Senate Version: 73-27
* The Senate Version, as voted on by the House: 289-126

By Party: The Original House Version:

* Democratic Party: 153-96
* Republican Party: 138-34

The Senate Version:

* Democratic Party: 46-22
* Republican Party: 27-6

The Senate Version, voted on by the House:

* Democratic Party: 153-91
* Republican Party: 136-35

By Party and Region:

The Original House Version:

* Southern Democrats: 7-87
* Southern Republicans: 0-10

* Northern Democrats: 145-9
* Northern Republicans: 138-24

The Senate Version:

* Southern Democrats: 1-21
* Southern Republicans: 0-1

* Northern Democrats: 46-1
* Northern Republicans: 27-5

-Mark

[KirkOntario]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Naturist Mark

However, not a single southern Republican supported it.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And the important point is that it would not have passed BECAUSE of the solidly democratic South without Republicans.

[jon71]

That was 40 years ago. Because of the Democratic partys support of civil rights (excluding southerners) all those racists are now republicans. Look at Trent Lott and Rick Santorum for two examples. Boyd long ago denounced the klan but these two are defacto members as are many southern Republicans. It you want a list look at the 17 who didn't support an apology for the senate not passing a law against lynching. All are Republican and southern.

[P.J.]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NudeTopher (christopher):
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by P.J.:
I would be the first to admit that I disagree with some of the decisions George W. Bush made while Governor of Texas and later as President of the United States.<span class="ev_code_BLUE">I'm sure that the seniors who need affordable meds and were sold out by Bush will be comforted by your words. I'm sure the mother's who have lost 1,700 of their children in Iraq will also find comfort in your words. I'm sure that the planet will be able to recover from the strip mining on public lands will appreciate your words. Can somebody please point out something good that has come out of the Bush reign?</span>

However, he is the President of the United States and better than the alternatives which the Democrats have tried to subject us to.<span class="ev_code_BLUE">How can you say that a president who waged war without an exit plan, refuses to establish an exit plan, has destabalized the Middle East, and has increased the ranks of the terrorists that hate us is better then a candidate who was never given a chance and who brought up an exit strategy in his campaign? Do you have grandchildren? If so, Bush has provided them with a cost of war that they will be paying for their entire lives. He took the largest surplus in history and created the largest deficit in history. What makes you so sure that even the worst of the Democratic candidates would have been worse. In fact, is it possible for anybody to have done worse?</span>

I would also like to remind you that, like it or not, we are at war with some savages who would gladly subject us to their twisted sick joke of a judicial system known as "Sharia." <span class="ev_code_BLUE">I suppose that you realize that now our allies consider us savages. Just last week the Italian courts have indicted over ten CIA agents for brutal attacks. (Google: cia, italy, indict as your keywords.)</span>

Those same savages would also be happy to murder every one of us, who would not roll over and submit to their form of militant Islam. <span class="ev_code_BLUE">Considering we have killed over 100,000 Iraqi innocent women and children what does that say about us?</span>

<span class="ev_code_RED">I really don't care what the world thinks of us. I'm also disgusted by the politicians who want "international law" to take prececence over U.S. law in the U.S.A.</span>

Instead of blasting the President, or making shrill (and in many cases, ignorant) cries for impeachment, I suggest making realistic suggestions and then write to your elected officials. Whether or not they received your votes in the past election, they want your votes in the upcoming elections.<span class="ev_code_BLUE">Some of us do write to our representatives on a regular basis. However, with the current one party rule in this country our voices don't matter. You consider our call for impeachment ignorant. We are trying to save our country from the tyrany and killing inflicted by the Bush machine. No doubt you consider life to be worthless since it doesn't bother you. Yet, I bet you were at the front of the line calling for Clinton's impeachment for a blow job where the only injured parties was his wife and daughter. Too bad you consider oral sex worse then death and destruction.</span>

<span class="ev_code_RED">I never said that oral sex was worse than death and destruction. As much as I distrust Hillary Clinton, I think that she is an injured party, and that she definitely did not deserve to be humiliated by her husband's sleazy antics.</span>

Some of the critics are thoughtful, sincere and intelligent. <span class="ev_code_BLUE">For a man who claims to be "pro-life" you seem not to care about life after it exits the birth canal!</span>

But then some of the others are absolute fools who need a reality check before subjecting others to the benifit of their lack of wisdom. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">As much as you complain, use the tired old method of pinning labels (i.e., RRR, homophobe, bigot along with any convenient but hateful name)label name calling, politcal bashing, and personal attacks on those who don't agree with you, I wonder what you have ever done for your community or your country. Have you ever served in the military, any church activities, or a volunteer fire department? </span>

<span class="ev_code_RED">If my memory serves me correctly, I think that you have personally attacked me in some of your rantings. To disagree with me is your choice and a right which I respect. But in any one of my posts, and I admit that some of my views are not shared by you nor a fair share of liberals, but I have never submitted a post on this forum which attacked you, or anyone else who submits teir posts.</span>

<span class="ev_code_RED">I never voted for Bill Clinton and I admit that I never wanted him to get elected, but I did NOT want to see him thrown out of office.</span>

<span class="ev_code_RED">You do NOT have a clue the value that I place on life. I support the rights of the unborn human being, which I call a "baby" instead of the heartlessly clinical term of "fetus." I also respect the rights and needs of those who have entered the world without being ripped apart inside the uterus or having their brains sucked out by the cold tools of death found in an abortionists den. And down the road, there are the senior citizens who deserve our respect and if needed, our care. I do not have all the answers, although I wish that I did, so that I could alleviate them of their suffering and frustration with life. </span>

<span class="ev_code_RED">Your smug sarcasm and your hateful attitude really is getting old. Perhaps you should try a kinder, gentler method of persuasion. If you would show just a little respect for those who you disagree with, you might be able to win them over to even adopt some of your views.

I remember one very successful salesman say, "If you insult the judge, you'll lose the case."</span>

[Qikdraw]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by P.J.:
<span class="ev_code_RED">I really don't care what the world thinks of us. I'm also disgusted by the politicians who want "international law" to take prececence over U.S. law in the U.S.A.</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually I don't think they want international law to reign in the US, but that the US follows international law outside of the US.

Unless you can point me to some links that would prove me wrong...

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[usuallylurk]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ren:
How is it good that the President doesn't take as many foreign trips as past presidents? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Because he would be out of his element.

Remember, trips outside of the United States are DIPLOMATIC ... something this administration has a problem with.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by P.J.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NudeTopher (christopher):
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by P.J.:
I would be the first to admit that I disagree with some of the decisions George W. Bush made while Governor of Texas and later as President of the United States.<span class="ev_code_BLUE">I'm sure that the seniors who need affordable meds and were sold out by Bush will be comforted by your words. I'm sure the mother's who have lost 1,700 of their children in Iraq will also find comfort in your words. I'm sure that the planet will be able to recover from the strip mining on public lands will appreciate your words. Can somebody please point out something good that has come out of the Bush reign?</span>

However, he is the President of the United States and better than the alternatives which the Democrats have tried to subject us to.<span class="ev_code_BLUE">How can you say that a president who waged war without an exit plan, refuses to establish an exit plan, has destabalized the Middle East, and has increased the ranks of the terrorists that hate us is better then a candidate who was never given a chance and who brought up an exit strategy in his campaign? Do you have grandchildren? If so, Bush has provided them with a cost of war that they will be paying for their entire lives. He took the largest surplus in history and created the largest deficit in history. What makes you so sure that even the worst of the Democratic candidates would have been worse. In fact, is it possible for anybody to have done worse?</span>

I would also like to remind you that, like it or not, we are at war with some savages who would gladly subject us to their twisted sick joke of a judicial system known as "Sharia." <span class="ev_code_BLUE">I suppose that you realize that now our allies consider us savages. Just last week the Italian courts have indicted over ten CIA agents for brutal attacks. (Google: cia, italy, indict as your keywords.)</span>

Those same savages would also be happy to murder every one of us, who would not roll over and submit to their form of militant Islam. <span class="ev_code_BLUE">Considering we have killed over 100,000 Iraqi innocent women and children what does that say about us?</span>

<span class="ev_code_RED">I really don't care what the world thinks of us. I'm also disgusted by the politicians who want "international law" to take prececence over U.S. law in the U.S.A.</span>

Instead of blasting the President, or making shrill (and in many cases, ignorant) cries for impeachment, I suggest making realistic suggestions and then write to your elected officials. Whether or not they received your votes in the past election, they want your votes in the upcoming elections.<span class="ev_code_BLUE">Some of us do write to our representatives on a regular basis. However, with the current one party rule in this country our voices don't matter. You consider our call for impeachment ignorant. We are trying to save our country from the tyrany and killing inflicted by the Bush machine. No doubt you consider life to be worthless since it doesn't bother you. Yet, I bet you were at the front of the line calling for Clinton's impeachment for a blow job where the only injured parties was his wife and daughter. Too bad you consider oral sex worse then death and destruction.</span>

<span class="ev_code_RED">I never said that oral sex was worse than death and destruction. As much as I distrust Hillary Clinton, I think that she is an injured party, and that she definitely did not deserve to be humiliated by her husband's sleazy antics.</span>

Some of the critics are thoughtful, sincere and intelligent. <span class="ev_code_BLUE">For a man who claims to be "pro-life" you seem not to care about life after it exits the birth canal!</span>

But then some of the others are absolute fools who need a reality check before subjecting others to the benifit of their lack of wisdom. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">As much as you complain, use the tired old method of pinning labels (i.e., RRR, homophobe, bigot along with any convenient but hateful name)label name calling, politcal bashing, and personal attacks on those who don't agree with you, I wonder what you have ever done for your community or your country. Have you ever served in the military, any church activities, or a volunteer fire department? </span>

<span class="ev_code_RED">If my memory serves me correctly, I think that you have personally attacked me in some of your rantings. To disagree with me is your choice and a right which I respect. But in any one of my posts, and I admit that some of my views are not shared by you nor a fair share of liberals, but I have never submitted a post on this forum which attacked you, or anyone else who submits teir posts.</span>

<span class="ev_code_RED">I never voted for Bill Clinton and I admit that I never wanted him to get elected, but I did NOT want to see him thrown out of office.</span>

<span class="ev_code_RED">You do NOT have a clue the value that I place on life. I support the rights of the unborn human being, which I call a "baby" instead of the heartlessly clinical term of "fetus." I also respect the rights and needs of those who have entered the world without being ripped apart inside the uterus or having their brains sucked out by the cold tools of death found in an abortionists den. And down the road, there are the senior citizens who deserve our respect and if needed, our care. I do not have all the answers, although I wish that I did, so that I could alleviate them of their suffering and frustration with life. </span>

<span class="ev_code_RED">Your smug sarcasm and your hateful attitude really is getting old. Perhaps you should try a kinder, gentler method of persuasion. If you would show just a little respect for those who you disagree with, you might be able to win them over to even adopt some of your views.

I remember one very successful salesman say, "If you insult the judge, you'll lose the case."</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And you lost it!

I've never seen TOPH attack you personally nor anyone else on here. You are the one turning his well thought out and backed up by evidence answers into a personal battle.

It's called an ad hominem attack and it's what one does when they don't have the ammo to defuse the others' facts and opinions with their own. You break the TOS here by doing so and push people to leave this website as well.

I feel you are a deterent to nudism and this website in that you post with hate in your heart. If he had attacked you, you had the option of hitting that "report post" button instead of engaging in a public attack on him. That is what the TOS says you are to do. Do you have a problem with going by the rules?

Quite frankly I'd much rather have TOPH posting here than someone that tends to ignore reality and facts and post whatever suits them at the moment.

[NudeTopher]

In case nobody has noticed, I took a break from posting here. I decided that although I would keep reading the posts, I would rather be an active social and recreational nudist then post among the intellectually dishonest. When it comes to intellectual dishonesty, nobody takes the prize like PJ.

While I certainly appreciate Cyndiannaked’s wishing to assist me while under a personal attack. There really is no need. Despite PJ’s ad homian attack, I never felt under attack. I don’t feel any need to defend myself to him, or anybody else. But, since he did launch an attack I will give him some answers to his queries:

1. No, I have not served in the armed forces. Not only am I a full time student, I am also a pacifist.

2. Due to a chronic medical condition (I am an insulin dependent diabetic) I am unable to serve anyway.

3. Your (poorly written) poll strongly indicates that you don’t believe that those who have not served in the Armed Forces refrain from criticizing and questioning the Armed Forces. If we follow the same logic, can we suggest that those without a background in medical science refrain from commenting, supporting or criticizing matters of public health and science i.e. fetal stem cell research, abortion, medical protocols, brain death, and PVS (persistent vegetative states? After all, if we follow your logic (or lack thereof) then those without first-hand, hands-on experience should keep their mouths closed!


4. I do belong strongly in public service. I spoke to our local rescue squad about serving on an ambulance crew. However, because I am only home in summer (school for the majority of the year) they could not justify the training required. However, once I am done with school I probably will join the squad.

5. If you have read my posts you know that I am now a senior and expect to be going to medical school next fall. Once I have my medical degree, and completed my training I fully expect to join “Doctors Without Boarders
(you may want to google it.) There is no better way to give back to the world community then to share my knowledge and training with those that most need medical attention. Unlike a soldier, I will be able to serve mankind in peace and healing. No killing required!


6. I really question why you are on these boards PJ. As best as I can tell, you are not a nudist. Yes, you may go nude from time to time.. but that doesn’t a nudist make. In more then one post you have stated that you question whether nudism is healthy for children. Your saying that makes it obvious that you don’t believe that nudism is innocent (sex-free) and child-safe. Opps…another example of your intellectual dishonesty. I may only be 21, but so far I have been to nudist beaches, indoor nude swims, and as of this summer a resort. My nudist credentials and experiences trump yours of sitting at your computer in judgement of the rest of the world.

7. You have repeatedly stated that you think that despite the differences found in this forum you think that we could all sit around a table at a nudist venue and enjoy eachother’s company. Once again you lie! Your intellectual dishonestly betrays you.

Perhaps what you meant to say was that you would like to sit around a table in a nudist venue with those who you perceive similar to yourself. How could you dare say that you wish to sit with somebody like me at the table? I am not exactly a heterosexual. On many occasions you have posted how you disapprove of my life. Do you really think that I, or many others on this board, could sit in your presence? Do you really think that you would be comfortable with those whom you have judged? Another instance of your intellectual dishonest.

8. I seriously question your claim that you are a Christian. Sure, you claim to be a Christian every chance you get.
But, claiming to being a Christian and being one are two different things. My understanding of Christianity is that a “good Christian” doesn’t sit in judgement of others the way that you do. You seem to forget that others are not on this planet for your approval or disapproval. Sure, we may like some people and not care for others. That is normal. But, who do you think you are to judge others?

Another example of your intellectual dishonest vis-à-vis Christianity is your singling out homosexuals verses other for your contempt and disapproval. The few (and ambiguous) references to homosexuality in the bible are trumped by the biblical prohibitions against divorce. Yet, I don’t see you railing against divorcees. If you were to follow the bible wouldn’t you not want to serve with divorcees in the military, know them in your fellowship, or approve of their very existence?

9. I could spend hours tearing apart each and every one of your posts. They tend to be illogical, not bases in fact, and poorly written. However you are not worth that much time or effort. But I do think that you are a dangerous man-a very dangerous man. I can spend my life in medicine doing my best to heal people and never heal as many people as your hatred of gay people can hurt. You can do more harm to gay adolescents then I can ever cure. That is just sad.

If you want, I would be more then happy to take this private. I will gladly discuss the views and positions in your posts on an item-by-item basis. Are you intellectually up for the challenge? Are you willing to defend that which you spew or will you continue your harmful and hurtful posts by stating something and then saying you don’t wish to discuss the issue any further?

I am secure in my knowledge, firm in my beliefs, and can back up my statements with facts. Can you?
I am not afraid to debate you and would welcome the opportunity.

[sw1sweendog]

back to bush,the non president.he's been in office for 4 + years.up until his current vacation,he has had a total of 320 vacation days.must be nice.

[KirkOntario]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sw2sweendog:
back to bush,the non president.he's been in office for 4 + years.up until his current vacation,he has had a total of 320 vacation days.must be nice. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Presidents don't really take vacations. Bush is in constant communication with his advisors and staff, cabinet meetings are held at his ranch, visiting heads of states come by, documents need to be signed. The President of the United States takes no vacation in the ordinary sense of the word.

[jon71]

Oh please. Amongst his many failures Bush is the laziest president of all time. Deal with reality.

[KirkOntario]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jon71:
Oh please. Amongst his many failures Bush is the laziest president of all time. Deal with reality. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

would that be why he got so much legislation passed in the last session of congress? http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[NudeTopher]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KirkOntario:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jon71:
Oh please. Amongst his many failures Bush is the laziest president of all time. Deal with reality. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

would that be why he got so much legislation passed in the last session of congress? http://clothesfreeforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No doubt you mean his crowning legislative glory-the replacement of Social Security with private investment accounts. We saw how far that got!

[Bob S.]

"up until his current vacation,he has had a total of 320 vacation days.must be nice."

In August, Washington is closed. The Supreme Court is not in session, Congress is out for their summer recess, so what is the big deal regarding where he stays?

Why is the White House such an important place to be when the other two branches of govt are gone? It's really a vacation from DC. A time to go to a familiar place and relax in familiar surroundings.

He is still working, just not from the Ival Office. Of all the issues people have against Bush, this is the most petty. What is so magical about the White House and DC that the president must spend so much time there? He is doing the same amount of work in Crawford that he would be doing in DC if he were there.

He is our president no matter his location.

Bob S.

[jon71]

Of course Kirk we can't forget the energy and highway bills that only took most of four years. What a work ethic.

[KirkOntario]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NudeTopher (christopher):No doubt you mean his crowning legislative glory-the replacement of Social Security with private investment accounts. We saw how far that got! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I guess you weren't following the legislation but that didn't pass Christopher. A bold iniative from a President who is not afraid of tackling issues head on.

[jon71]

Kirk get a dictionary and look up the word facetious to understand the post about social security "reform".

[Qikdraw]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jon71:
Of course Kirk we can't forget the energy and highway bills that only took most of four years. What a work ethic. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not only that but those bills are so full or pork for big business they aren't any good at all. Tax cuts & insentives for oil companies with record profits these past years? $260 million for a bridge in Alaska that connects a town of 8,000 to an island holding 50?

These bills are a waste of taxpayer money, there is few things in them that is good.

How about that Social Security "crisis" eh? Where there isn't enough money in the accounts? Remember when Bush said he would not touch the money, and then did, thus creating the "crisis"?

Bush is bankrupting this country plain and simple.

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[Captain Zen]

After all his defenses of the "president", I am highly suspicious of Kirk, after I for once read his signature that ends with: "A mixture of a lie doth ever add pleasure."
Francis Pork may have said such stupidnes, he is forgiven because he is dead. However, any one who mixes truth with lies is for me a lier. And even a small lie, and another one and again an other one, add up to a nasty big lie. I am working with pearls and diamonds and carbuncles for my hobby, and I have no respect for fakes presented as genuine.

[Hooked]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WacoTX:
Tara, be thankful you didn't live in Texas while he was governor. I thought, after his performance at the state level, who would elect him prez? The world is full of surprises. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you! Finally someone from outside of Austin with some sense!

[shomymojo]

vote for Pedro !!!

[Captain Zen]

This President presided over the most horrific event of America's history. As he is the Capo di Capi, read here what he is capable of tolerating.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10165.htm

[usmc1]

The movement for Impeachment is solidifying. Here's how you can get involved at a grassroots level.

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/8851