Leiberman = ugh...

[Qikdraw]

THIS (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6145659.html?q=CDC) is why I'm not a fan of Leiberman. Or Hillary Clinton for that matter.

This is such a pile of horse droppings.

I agree that "Mature" or "R" rated games should not be sold to minors, however games are being targeted to the largest game playing audience, the 25 and above crowd. "Think of the children" is so much crap. Children should not be playing these games, and parents who allow their kids to play them, or are too lazy to monitor what their children are doing are to blame. Pretty much every "study" done about this has shown that when parents get in the act children are less likely to get access to questionable material.

This kind of political idiocy annoys me. And Hillary isn't doing it because she actually cares, she just thinks she can get a few more votes for parenting groups. Ugh...

Parents should do their job, and not complain when they aren't.

I can't tell you how much this annoys me...

Qikdraw

[Qikdraw]

THIS (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6145659.html?q=CDC) is why I'm not a fan of Leiberman. Or Hillary Clinton for that matter.

This is such a pile of horse droppings.

I agree that "Mature" or "R" rated games should not be sold to minors, however games are being targeted to the largest game playing audience, the 25 and above crowd. "Think of the children" is so much crap. Children should not be playing these games, and parents who allow their kids to play them, or are too lazy to monitor what their children are doing are to blame. Pretty much every "study" done about this has shown that when parents get in the act children are less likely to get access to questionable material.

This kind of political idiocy annoys me. And Hillary isn't doing it because she actually cares, she just thinks she can get a few more votes for parenting groups. Ugh...

Parents should do their job, and not complain when they aren't.

I can't tell you how much this annoys me...

Qikdraw

[Conor B]

Amen. They are both useless and hopeless. They are really getting to be the Dems most willing to end free Speech. And there is no greater sin.

[Bennn]

Absolutely.

Obama '08

[xgsft]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Conor B:
Amen. They are both useless and hopeless. They are really getting to be the Dems most willing to end free Speech. And there is no greater sin. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly.

...and people wonder why I dispise Hillery.

[missouriboy]

All politicians are born with at least one gene that causes them to believe they're divinely qualified to direct the affairs of everyone else. These three, like many Democrats, must have 3 or 4 of them...

[MJ_KC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jason Lee:
If the CDC eventually produces a study claiming a link between violent video games and harm to minors, the future of state and federal laws targeting such games could be radically different. So far, those laws have been ruled unconstitutional because judges have not found that kind of link to exist. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
These studies tend to support the initial premise because researchers like to continue getting research funding from Congress.

I have a real problem when parental irresponsibilty is excused and something else is blamed.

[missouriboy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">...irresponsibilty is excused and something else is blamed. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Of course. Isn't that part and parcel of the "progressive" political correctness agenda? We now have whole generations of people who believe charity holds no stigma because it's been renamed "entitlement," therefore everything is someone elses fault, and "civil rights" means the rights of one civilian race against another, instead of "civilian" rights vs. "government" and/or "military" oppression. Just another couple of spokes in the wheel crushing our once-great civilization.

[Ewan M]

Crumbs, they said that about televison when I was growing up and the target then was Tom and Jerry.

All the family from granny to children gathered around and watched.

[Bob S.]

The acceptance of parents to voluntarily give up some of their responsiblities to schools and the govt has led to this point. They now expect he govt to help them out.

Unfortunately, anything the govt does is messed up. Not everyone is going to agree with how they will handle the situation.

And then there is the study that is being requested. The proposal calls for a study that would provide funding to investigate the cognitive, physical, and sociobehavioral impact of electronic media on child and adolescent development--everything from physical coordination, diet, and sleeping habits to attention span, peer relationships, and aggression levels. Television, motion pictures, DVDs, interactive video games, the Internet, and cell phones would all be fair game. What would not be included in the study, apparently, is the parent's role in all of this.

Yes, certain games may have some effects on some vulnerable children and adolescents, but how is that helped or hurt by parental involvement in their children's lives? How are their decisions affected by their parent's involvement in their lives? How does the behaviour differ between parents who are very involved in their children's lives vs those parents who take a more passive involvement?

I think we all know how those studies would turn out. And most people would agree with the prediction, but how many of the parents are willing to forgo govt influence and take charge with their children?

Bob S.

[usmc1]

In 1956 a 14 year old boy entering, as a freshman, into a Catholic High School in a small town in Illinois left on lunch break and walked home and killed his sleeping grandmother with a butcher knife. Slit her throat so bad it all but decapitated her and then stabbed her two dozen times in the face and chest and abdomen.

Around that same time, 18- year old Charlie Starkweather and his 14 year-old girfriend, Cheryl, killed her parents and went on a crime spree across the upper midwest.

The thing that these three murderous kids had in common was that they had never played a video game and at the time the only violence on the black and white TVs of that era was when Ollie the Dragon would bite Kukla the Clown's nose and poor old Fran would fuss in dismay at the rudeness.

Around the same time, Congress held hearings about comics and blamed EC Comics and their thriller and horror editions such as Vault of Horror and Tales From The Crypt as having causative effect on "juvenile delinquency".

At the time, most moms were stay at home moms and the economy was not contingent on double incomes. It was Happy Days and Leave it to Beaver personified.

I think if one were to reflect on this that one could safely come to the conclusion that violence in society is more a result of dysfunction in the home than external factors such as games, books or movies.

This, and that politicians will always pander and posture for votes. Senators Clinton and Lieberman are both doing that--pass a law, initiate a study, name a committee; anything other than to come to grips with the underlying causes.

Here's a predicition for you: we're going to see more grief, agony, violence and societal dysfunction as the result of the debilitating psychological effects of war on our Iraq war veterans and their families than all TVs, movies, games, comics and bad kids on the street corners combined.

[Qikdraw]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by missouriboy:
All politicians are born with at least one gene that causes them to believe they're divinely qualified to direct the affairs of everyone else. These three, like many Democrats, must have 3 or 4 of them... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are the names Rick Santorum or Sam Brownback familiar to you? Cause they are Republicans who are co-sponsoring the bill.

So are republicans now to be labeled the way you have just labeled democrats? Hmmmm???

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[missouriboy]

Qikdraw: Yes, of course. Notice I said "All politicians..."

[Qikdraw]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by missouriboy:
Qikdraw: Yes, of course. Notice I said "All politicians..." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But you specifically pointed out democrats.

These three, like many Democrats, must have 3 or 4 of them...

So you are implying that democrats are worse than republicans.

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