New Naturist wants someone to teach the ropes

[walter05]

I am a married male from Georgia. I am interested in visiting a beach such as Apollo.

I would not like to go alone. I would like someone who could go with me and show me the ropes.

Anyone in the southeast interested in accompanying me the first time/

If there is also someone else who wants to try it the first time, that may be good also.

(I would prefer a non-smoker.)

[KetchumMaine]

We don't use ropes, perhaps you are looking for the "sexual fettish" forum.

But seriously, I live in Maine, so I can't help you much. I wish you well in your search.

[Fuzzy Nuts]

Would you teach my wife how to use the ropes?

[walter05]

Apparently, I am really new to this. I don't even know what the ropes are.

[Walt Iliff]

If you check on the Central Florida Naturists web site (www.central-fla-naturists.org) you'll find these basic "rules":

CFN Code of Conduct:
Clothing at CFN events is optional. Respect the rights of others to remain clothed if that is their preference.
No overt sexual solicitation or activity is permitted at CFN sponsored activities or at any event, organized or otherwise, where CFN is in any form represented. If it is socially acceptable in a clothed setting, then it is acceptable in a nude setting.
Sexual preference involving consenting adults in private is an individual’s own business and imposing personal attitudes on others is not acceptable.
Respect the property and privacy of others at all times.
Members are expected to adhere to basic principals of Naturist etiquette as commonly understood.
Take photographs only with the permission of subject(s) or in the case of minors, with permission of parents or legal guardians.
Drink responsibly.
Use of illegal substances at CFN-sponsored activities shall not be tolerated.
Smoking - At indoor events ask permission of hosts and those around you. Smoke only in designated areas or go outside.
Practice basic Naturist ecological ethics concerning removal of one’s trash, treatment of fragile dunes, and so forth.
Members are encouraged to speak up for the above standards.


Clothing Optional Beach Etiquette:
Many people will insist that rules for proper behavior are not necessary since any decent or intelligent person should know how to act. On the other hand, we are under close scrutiny by the public and a just few can spoil it for us all. The CFN Code of Conduct listed above in addition to the “clothing optional” beach etiquette listed below are accepted as “standards” by Naturists groups world wide. Please follow these standards.

Stay out of the Dunes and other environmentally sensitive areas. Once damaged, plants in the dunes die which allows wind and water to erode the beach. Picking seaoats is also damaging. They are not just dead weeds. They are alive and hold the dunes in place with their root system.
Do not go out of Traditional Nude Areas. To wander nude onto the textile beach or the parking area will offend some people. We currently have no signs, but the clothing optional areas are located north of parking lot 13 (crossover 13B) at Playalinda and south of parking lot 5 at Apollo.
Privacy is Fundamental! Many are at the beach for quiet times and do not want to be disturbed. It is rude to monopolize a person’s time when not invited.
Eliminate Litter by taking home more than you bring.
No Overt Sexual Activity. Leave this activity to the privacy of your home. This is not the time or place. It is illegal and arrests will occur.
Clothing is Optional and nudity is not required.
Speak up for Standards. If a person seems unaware of beach etiquette, explain it politely and plainly. Do not let uncouth individuals ruin our fragile and beautiful place under the sun.

As far as finding someone to go with you, if you go on a weekend, try to go further south to Playalinda where the CFN is present. Introduce yourself to them and tell them it's your first time there. I think you'll find them to be friendly and welcoming. Enjoy your visit. By the way, you can always take your wife since nudity on the beach is not mandatory. Good luck.

Walt Iliff

[walter05]

Walt;

Your information is most helpful.

I don't think my wife would understand why I would want to go. But we will see in the future. Once I have done it, and it seems okay, I may hope to ask her. However, it will be much easier if I have been a few times, and can explain and vouch for the experience.

The rules you have provided are very reassuring.

About four years ago, my cholesterol was very high. I used to have a 48 inch waist. Through diet and exercise, I now have a 32 inch waist. I have done it by learning to celebrate and value my own body.

Going to a setting like a beach, and feeling connected to nature seems like a natural progression for me. That is why I am interested. The idea is to celebrate my physical body as a part of nature. I have tried this with a swimsuit on but it seems kind of incomplete as if the swimsuit is a manmade barrier to the natural.

I am not interested in anything sexual. I am not interested in going to a resort where it is social and managed. I want that natural feeling I believe I would get at a beach.

The first thing I learned about swimming safely is not to swim alone. In this day and age, I don't feel safe in such a setting alone on the beach. For those reasons as well as becoming comfortable in the setting, I think having someone with me makes sense.

How do I introduce myself to the CFN when I am there? Do they have an office? Will I have to sign something? Will I be placed on any mailing or phone lists if I don't want to.

P.S. This forum does an excellent job of not allowing popups and spyware.

Walter05

[DenitaLC]

If you check, the CFN website is very out of date. The info on it is still accurate but there aren't recent updates to go by. They are a non-landed group and their main focus is on Playalinda Beach on the southern tip of CN Seashores.

If you don't mind a married female's prospective, I'd recommend being very upfront with your wife about what you intend to do. (Communication is the key here, IMO.)

Experiencing this together for the first time will make it an equal experience for you both. It is a Clothing Optional beach so there is no need for her to remove any more of her clothing than she feels comfortable in doing. The beach is very pristine and spacious. We've been there four times and it was never crowded. Limited parking doesn't allow it to get overcrowded. You will need to get there early to get a parking space in lot 5 or be prepared to walk a LONG ways from lot 4. This is a great beach for first timers...it was our first nude beach venture.

Good luck, have fun!

[walter05]

I admit to having mixed emotions on this.

My gut is to tell her once I have done it and schedule to take her with me on a next visit.

Since you have been there four times, if you walk further away from the parking, is there an area where my wife and I would be less likely to be interrupted.

Walter05

[DenitaLC]

It is a very long stretch of beach. Stay out of the duns or face getting a ticket from the park rangers, the same goes for being caught with glass on the beach, big no-no. (Just like inappropriate behavior of any type.)

If your wife and you keep to yourselves, in your space...no one will bother you if you are just enjoying the relaxation of nature unless you invite them to chat.

We found going together to be a real bonding experience but every relationship is different and you will do what is right for yours.

Enjoy

[walter05]

I am rethinking this. You are very logical.

I am thinking that perhaps we could both go clothed and then when she is comfortable with it, I could take mine off first.

If she gets comfortable with it, she could also.

Walter

[Walt Iliff]

Whichever beach you decide on would be great. Apollo doesn't get as crowded as Playalinda (due primarily, I suppose, to the lack of parking at Apollo), but both are part of the Canaveral Seashore National Park. To answer your question, CFN usually has a banner out on weekends, and are usually close to the crossover at parking area 13 at Playalinda, which is due east of Titusville in Brevard County. Apollo is north of Playalinda I think 13 or 15 miles (I'm not sure, but that is one HUGE federal park) Anyhow, listen to Denita...she is giving you first class advice. Take your wife with you. I guarantee that if you don't and your wife finds out that A. You went to a nudist beach without her and B. You wanted to find someone other than her to go with you, she will put the worst possible spin on it and you will find A. She won't trust you, no matter what you say about nudism, and B. She won't trust you in general.

Walt

[DenitaLC]

I don't know about logical...I am a female after all! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/wink3.gif I just know how I'd feel in her shoes. You'd probably feel the same if she went first w/o you?

It's a beautiful beach/area, no matter what your state of dress. The freedom of being able to freely/safely enjoy it naturally just makes it that much better!

:-)

[BiCycleNude]

First time can be, shall we say, "interesting". My first was in Miami, where I grew up, at a place called Virginia Key, close to Key Biscayne. It was a very small, secluded area that attracted nudists. When I was a kid, Virginia Key was actually a segregated beach, for blacks only. Whites used the beach across the inlet, Bear's Cut, on the opposite side. But i digress.

Anyway, I sat alone, nude on my towel, with my knees pulled up to my chest. Sat that way so long I had a really weird sun burn pattern. Seemed to amuse the regulars, but I still felt a sense of accomplishment at the end of the day.

It naturally got easier every time after that. But that first time - you just make up your mind to drop drawers and don't look back. Well, you can look back to make sure your SPF 45 is evenly spread on your cheeks.

We do only live once after all. If being nude in public is on your list of things to do before you die, then there's only one way to check it off the list.

[Walt Iliff]

Oh, very good point BiCycle....that's one of the "ropes" you can't forget about....there is nothing more annoying and aggravating....climbing rapidly to painful and uncomfortable than trying to drive somewhere when you've got a sunburn where the sun hasn't previously shined. Don't forget the sunblock/sunscreen!!

Walt

[Liam]

Originally posted by DenitaLC:
I don't know about logical...I am a female after all! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/wink3.gif I just know how I'd feel in her shoes. You'd probably feel the same if she went first w/o you?
:-)

I think this is very insightful. It would be very useful to think about reversing the perspectives of the wife and the husband and examining it that way.

[DoctorSurferDude]

Originally posted by walter05:
I admit to having mixed emotions on this.

My gut is to tell her once I have done it and schedule to take her with me on a next visit.

Since you have been there four times, if you walk further away from the parking, is there an area where my wife and I would be less likely to be interrupted.

Walter05

Hi Walter,

My advice is to tell your wife ahead of time. An interest in nudism is not something you tell your spouse after the fact. There are a lot of negative misconceptions people have about nudism, and if your wife has one or two of those and you drop it on her like a bomb, it could backfire on you. It could look like you were hiding something for a long time from her and once you had gone, then decided to include her....just a general rule....wives don't like to be excluded.

Best plan would be to share your interest with her, have a talk about it. Then if she is interested in supporting your interest, schedule some naked time around the house. There is really no ropes to learn, it's as simple as taking off your clothes for reasons besides sex and doing your ordinary daily routines without the confines of clothing. Beach is a beach....it's a lot like a regular beach, except you have the option to be nude, otherwise....behave the same....no ropes needed.

Either Apollo or Playalinda would be a good place for a first visit. Please include your wife and please don't consider arranging to meet other nudists without her knowledge and blessings....because doing so might just be tying a rope of miscommunications around your marrige.

[BiCycleNude]

I agree that Apollo or Playalinda are great places for first time. Beautiful beaches and friendly people. But I would suggest staying closer to the parking, rather than walking a great distance down the beach. While you will find it less crowded far away, you are also more likely to encounter people who want that seclusion for, shall we say, other purposes. Not a hard and fast rule, but just a general observation from my experience.

[tinner666]

Devil's advocate here! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif I just have to ask: Does your wife do anything nude? Sit around the house? Wander nude from room to room after a shower? http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif
Just curious about the obstacles you're facing, if any. Please don't be offended by my asking, but your answer, if only to yourself, could be crucial to your sucess.

And as for DenitalC, her answers do seem overly logical for a female! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/beam.gif

[walter05]

Tinner666;

I believe what my wife does around the house is private. I would never violate that trust. Therefore, I will not tell you or anyone else. Definitely not in an open forum.

Walter

[DenitaLC]

Quote by: "Tinner666"And as for DenitalC, her answers do seem overly logical for a female!


Just a momentary glitch in my normal functioning brain....... LOL!

[walter05]

I would never imply you are not logical. Women are often as or more logical than men.

The difference tends to be in sensitivity. When making an evaluation, women are more sensitive to some things than men, and vice versa.

P.S. I have discussed this with my wife as you suggested. She is interested but wants to know it will be safe. She would prefer I go with another man first and make sure it is safe.

Thanks for insisting I discuss it with her.

Walter05

[Baron Lake]

Would'nt it be better if you went with another woman? After-all then your wife could get a first hand report from someone really "sensitive" to her concerns.
Just a suggestion. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif
b.l.

[David77]

And as for DenitalC, her answers do seem overly logical for a female!
I hope that remark is an attempt at humor and not in the least bit serious.
I see it as a disrespectful "put down" to suggest that women's answers are not logical as a man's ("superior") answers; not able to use their intelligence as well as a man.

[walter05]

Baron Lake;

I did not propose to my wife going to someplace and getting naked with a female. Neither of us want that. My wife will get a first hand report from me.


DenitalC;

David77's remarks do not represent my views or those of any mature and confident grown men.

Walter05

[Baron Lake]

David, I suspect your hopes are doomed in this case. Walter, you are a brave man indeed. Or doesen't your wife read? Oh, and David's views do indeed reflect mine. I may not ever achieve "maturity" but I am confident about that much.
b.l.

[walter05]

Baron;

There will be a time when my wife will read all of my posts. I will not be offended by that at all.

Walter

[Baron Lake]

Actually Walter I was thinking more of something that might involve your health insurance rather than your self esteem.
b.l.

[DenitaLC]

Originally posted by David77:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And as for DenitalC, her answers do seem overly logical for a female!
I hope that remark is an attempt at humor and not in the least bit serious.
I see it as a disrespectful "put down" to suggest that women's answers are not logical as a man's ("superior") answers, not able to use their intelligence as well as a man. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



All in good fun David......no worries. You missed the grinning face at the end of that quote from 'tinner'.

I'm light hearted and am the first to poke fun about my "logic"! I see nothing in this thead that I find a put down.....'nough said.
http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/beam.gif

[DenitaLC]

Originally posted by walter05:
I would never imply you are not logical. Women are often as or more logical than men.

The difference tends to be in sensitivity. When making an evaluation, women are more sensitive to some things than men, and vice versa.
P.S. I have discussed this with my wife as you suggested. She is interested but wants to know it will be safe. She would prefer I go with another man first and make sure it is safe.

Thanks for insisting I discuss it with her.

Walter05


Walter:
I am so glad you talked to you wife about your interest in going to a nude venue. It sounds like you have her support and that is what is so important. You can tell her, from me, that I have gone alone with my children to the beach (no male in the party) and found it very safe and enjoyable as always. Of course, it's something I prefer to do with my husband but he wasn't able to go at thost times. Set up your towles/camp around other couples and you will see how friendly and safe of an environment it is. The regulars really watch out for the beach and fellow users.

I hope you get the chance to go enjoy one soon!

:-)
Dee

Oh, and don't give that "logical" thing another thought...it was just an attempt at humor by me! I didn't mean to get people all riled up.

[Baron Lake]

DenitaLC, you have nothing to worry about in regard to Walter giving... "that "logical" thing another thought".
b.l. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

[walter05]

I was able to make contact with someone to help me with a visit to Apollo Beach.

We exchanged e-mails and then spoke on the phone.

We started the process by having him drive to Savannah and have dinner with my wife, kids, and me. It was easier helping my wife understand what I wanted to do when she met him. This was a great experience for all of us.

We met again on Wednesday night. We shared a two-bed room at a hotel in nearby Daytona Beach. I told him that if I was going to be able to be naked with him on a beach, I should be able to do so in a hotel room. After leaving our stuff in there we went to dinner.

We came back and reviewed our plans. Then I said the idea of being in this room together was to get the practice and I took my clothes off. I picked up a sudoku and started to work the puzzle. Within moments my mentor was also naked and reading.

It was a cold day in Daytona Beach on Wednesday. However, we were expecting a cool day on Thursday.

Thursday morning, I spent time on the treadmill and then showered. I purposely put on a sweatshirt and a pair of warm up pants. I knew I could take them off easily so they would be practical.

I woke up my mentor and he showered. We then went to breakfast. After breakfast, we drove to Apollo Beach. I told my mentor that I expect to have an erection when I first get naked. I told him I would not cover it but ignore it and let it go away. He did not mind.

We went to parking area 5. It was pretty deserted. I stopped in the bathroom. (That is a disgusting place.) Then we went down to the beach. We saw the famous sign and walked south past it.

I then saw a naked sunbathing man’s behind. At that moment I had the thought I am really at a nude beach. We walked past a man in yellow shorts and got to an area that was pretty abandoned.

In the sun, with a light breeze it was cool but not cold. I then said “I came here to experience this naked”. I took off my shirt and my pants and for the first time in my life I was naked on a beach in the sunlight. As I expected I had an erection and I just ignored it.

My mentor was naked shortly. We then lay down on towels and it was not what I expected.

I thought I would get to know the world better feeling part of it. However, I really learned more about myself. I felt the breeze blowing on my scrotum, blowing my chest hair, and blowing my pubic hair and it felt good. When I rolled over and felt it on my behind that felt good also. It felt free and natural.

I tried to get in the water but it was too cold.

I ended up gaining a new appreciation of my own body. I also had a keener set of senses. This morning when I walked up to my office, there was a bird chirping in a moss draped oak tree out front. I stopped and talked to it. I felt great.

For the first time, in my life, someone, my mentor, said I did not look like I was a fat. We were both naked on the beach. This was an extremely fit person looking at me naked and did not think I was fat. This was also a special affirmation.

The setting was perfect for me. I never thought that I would learn so much more about me. I did. I also did not realize how much more I would like myself but I do. I still feel more in touch with me and I really like and love myself even more than before.

I have also learned that there are different types of naturists/nudists. I am not interested in going to the nudist resorts, etc. but that is fine for people who are. I like this nudity in a natural setting. For me it is a very spiritual experience. I definitely will do it again.

At the same time, I accept that there are others who want the full nudist experience with the resorts, etc. That is fine. We can enjoy the experiences we both want. Just as with going to a restaurant, we can all select what we want.

I have also learned how to meet the right sort of person to mentor you. Start participating in these forums. I tried to ask someone to take me and this does not work. People are afraid that you may be a pervert, etc. What does work is participating in the forums so you can get to know people and they can get a sense of you. When you do, when you have an internet friend, then it is easy to arrange to meet the right person and he/she can help introduce you to the type of nudism you want.

[Ewan M]

That was a really goood experience that you had Walter and very daring of you to try.

If it was me there I would be running along the beach and kicking the waves and collapsing onto the sand a happy tired.

For that moment on the beach you really felt part of the world.

Well done, sorry I missed it.

[tinner666]

Originally posted by walter05:
Tinner666;

I believe what my wife does around the house is private. I would never violate that trust. Therefore, I will not tell you or anyone else. Definitely not in an open forum.

Walter


Walter, you mis-interperated my question. I was not prying and it didn't require an open answer.
I was posing it for you to think about her and her comfort level. As a general rule, IMHO, if a woman doesn't feel comfortable in her own house nude, you're not gonna get far on a beach. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/sad3.gif
I know both types, and you can probably guess which ones I know from meeting at a resort, and which ones I don't.
It was just a 'heads-up' alert for you, and not meant to garner any private info from you. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

[tinner666]

Originally posted by DenitaLC:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by David77:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And as for DenitalC, her answers do seem overly logical for a female!
I hope that remark is an attempt at humor and not in the least bit serious.
I see it as a disrespectful "put down" to suggest that women's answers are not logical as a man's ("superior") answers, not able to use their intelligence as well as a man. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



All in good fun David......no worries. You missed the grinning face at the end of that quote from 'tinner'.

I'm light hearted and am the first to poke fun about my "logic"! I see nothing in this thead that I find a put down.....'nough said.
http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/beam.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for taking it correctly DenitalC. It was definitely meant as a joke. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif Though I don't really know you well enough to joke with you too much like that. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif
Wish my wife would post here some, but!!! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/confused.gif

Anyway, no harm was intended. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif
About the 4th. time lately I was taken wrong and apologized here. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/blush.gif

[DenitaLC]

Originally posted by tinner666:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DenitaLC:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by David77:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And as for DenitalC, her answers do seem overly logical for a female!
I hope that remark is an attempt at humor and not in the least bit serious.
I see it as a disrespectful "put down" to suggest that women's answers are not logical as a man's ("superior") answers, not able to use their intelligence as well as a man. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



All in good fun David......no worries. You missed the grinning face at the end of that quote from 'tinner'.

I'm light hearted and am the first to poke fun about my "logic"! I see nothing in this thead that I find a put down.....'nough said.
http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/beam.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for taking it correctly DenitalC. It was definitely meant as a joke. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif Though I don't really know you well enough to joke with you too much like that. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif
Wish my wife would post here some, but!!! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/confused.gif

Anyway, no harm was intended. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif
About the 4th. time lately I was taken wrong and apologized here. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/blush.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Tinner.........you can joke with me anytime! I enjoy light heartedness and a good sense of humor!

http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif
Dee

[missouriboy]

I also had a keener set of senses. This morning when I walked up to my office, there was a bird chirping in a moss draped oak tree out front. I stopped and talked to it. I felt great. Walter05, thanks for the great narrative of your first experience. It affirms what most of us say about the experience of actually discovering naturism, and how the apprehension usually just melts away.

Remember that bird, and contemplate what it would be like to be in the woods, not just the beach. Then consider visiting a resort someday. It's not just social, many have extended trails in all sorts of natural settings; woods, deserts, meadows, mountains, etc. When you're naked on a wooded trail, and a wild deer exhibits more curiosity about you in your nakedness than you've ever seen before, your devotion to naturism will become deeper and fuller. Don't write off the possibility! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

[EricNY]

Originally posted by walter05:
I have also learned that there are different types of naturists/nudists. I am not interested in going to the nudist resorts, etc. but that is fine for people who are. I like this nudity in a natural setting. For me it is a very spiritual experience. I definitely will do it again.

I am happy to hear that your experience was a positive one.

Just wondering though about the above quote from your last post. Have you heard that clubs, campgrounds and resorts are different or not a good place?

[stomper69]

missouriboy has it right,often on my nude hikes,I come upon deer and they respond differently than when I'm clothed.It's like they can tell that I'm trying to get in touch with nature.Talk about trancendence!Now that I've become one with nature,I'm trying to adapt to being nude socially.I've been to clubs before but have always kept to myself.Time to reach out to others and become part of something more.This site has been great so far.Everyone is freindly and informative,giving real insight and not just some flakey replies.Keep up the good work everybody!!

[walter05]

Tinner666;

No offense taken. I understand that sense of humor much better now.

Ewan M;

The water was too cold to run through the water that way.

Missouriboy, ercNY, stomper69;

I am much more into feeling that connection to nature. Any natural setting could be quite nice. I am open to non-beach natural settings. However, crowds seem to me to interfere with that experience.

Also I did have an experience with a deer once. I was attending the University of Georgia in Athens and driving back from Savannah alone late one Sunday night. All of the places along Ga. Highway 15 were closed. I had to go to the bathroom and there was none.

Just north of Greensboro, Georgia, I pulled over on a side road. I got out, stood there, unzipped, took my penis out and started to urinate. At that time, a huge buck with beautiful antlers walked up and stared at me. I felt under inspection. I had a certain respect for him. When I zipped up, the zipper sound scared him off.

For a few moments, it felt different. I am standing there urinating and a deer is watching me. I have never forgotten that feeling.

I look forward to more natural experiences.

[walter05]

This is a request for any of the moderators.

I believe this topic is complete and would like it set to read only. Can you do this for me?

I have noticed that at times topics are started, and then years later someone else adds to them. I would prefer that not to happen this time.

[EricNY]

This topic is now closed at the request of the Walter05 whom started it. This topic will remain in read only status.

Thanks to all who participated