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Leo
12-17-2003, 08:20 PM
I was wondering why most nudist parks, resorts & or beaches do not allow single nudists?

I have checked out a lot of them on the net, just to find that they discriminate against single people.

I have been a home nudist for going on twenty years, and now I want to adventure out into the public. And I find out that because I am single I can not belong to the nudist society...

Why is this so?
Leo
12-17-2003, 08:20 PM
I was wondering why most nudist parks, resorts & or beaches do not allow single nudists?

I have checked out a lot of them on the net, just to find that they discriminate against single people.

I have been a home nudist for going on twenty years, and now I want to adventure out into the public. And I find out that because I am single I can not belong to the nudist society...

Why is this so?
12-17-2003, 08:39 PM
Leo,

You only need to post something once.
Rex
12-17-2003, 08:53 PM
Hi Leo
A public place like a beach can't "ban" anyone, although people who misbehave can be removed one way or another.
I've been on free beaches in various parts of Australia and also in England and I've found most people friendly and easy to talk to.
Many [but not all] clubs and resorts have a policy of trying to keep an approx gender balance and this is usually justified as not making the single women feel uncomfortable by a huge excess of single men.
I don't try to justify it myself, but I can see the point of both sides of the argument.
The way out is to have a female friend to go with, but perhaps that's sometimes easier said than done.
NakedGary
12-17-2003, 11:42 PM
LEO

You really confuse the issue by cross posting the same message in more than one fourm or topic area at the same time.
Leo
12-22-2003, 06:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NakedGary:
LEO

You really confuse the issue by cross posting the same message in more than one fourm or topic area at the same time. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>How do I confuse the issue? I thought that if I posted the same message in different forums I might get an answer to my question. I am sorry about that, I was wrong and will not post the same concern or comments on different forums anymore. I am very new at using the forums, and do not wish to intrude.
Leo
12-22-2003, 06:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jon-Marc:
Leo,

You only need to post something once. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Thanks for pointing this out to me, I'm sorry for posting more than once, I thought if I posted my question or concern in other forums I might get an Answer to it from a lot of people. I do not wish to intrude.
drewbe
12-22-2003, 12:10 PM
Leo,
From what I can understand it comes down to two issues:
1. In the past there have been a small number of single males who have caused trouble in clubs with bad behaviour.
2. They want to keep a gender balance with in the club.

Regards

Drew
12-22-2003, 01:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by drewbe:
Leo,
From what I can understand it comes down to two issues:
1. In the past there have been a small number of single males who have caused trouble in clubs with bad behaviour. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Said who? There are a small number of people in general that have bad behavior. Most of them I have seen were married men. The singles are getting the rap over nothing. Do you have figures to back that up? <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>


2. They want to keep a gender balance with in the club.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>And what is the purpose of wanting a gender balance? What is considered a good balance and at what point is it a "bad balance"? Since there isn't any sex going on does it really matter that there are more men than women?

And anyway, at least two thirds of nudist clubs do accept singles to begin with so all this is moot.
David77
12-22-2003, 01:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Leo:
I was wondering why most nudist parks, resorts & or beaches do not allow single nudists?

I have checked out a lot of them on the net, just to find that they discriminate against single people.

I have been a home nudist for going on twenty years, and now I want to adventure out into the public. And I find out that because I am single I can not belong to the nudist society...

Why is this so? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Leo,
Don't despair!
I have gotten into nine venues as a single and you can too if you play it right.

1) Contrary to your above quoted post, there is generally no discrimination on a public beach, as only a couple that I know of, one in Austin Texas and one in the northwest, have restriction against the underage, but no other discrimination on public beaches, as you see all ages. Public beaches are yours, and all other citizens.

2) Most all resorts have an OPEN house in the springtime and anyone can attend them with no question. They are mostly with no charge, so look for that.

3) Many resorts have special events that they want as many people to attend as possible to raise money and have a good time. One "open to all" event not far from you is the annual Nude Vollyball Superbowl (I think around Labor Day) in PA where hundreds attend and admission is very welcoming at these times. Go to that and have a heck of a good time!

4) Attend the convention of your AANR division (Eastern Division) as all (members, especially) are welcome.

Then you can attend the national convention of the AANR at a different location of the country each summer. These conventions are the most interesting as they have special fun activities, dances, and you meet people from all over the USA and Canada.

I have not gone to any TNS activities, but they have a list of them on the internet, and TNS works to get venues to accept singles as a matter of policy.

Look for special events at the resorts in which you are interested and more than likely you can attend them. Some resorts have car shows, 5k nude running, various music group events, etc. where they want you and others to attend.

5) If you see that the resort web page says something about "gender balance", don't let that discourage you. Call the resort and ask if you can be admitted. You may, or you may not be admitted, but you will not know unless you ask.
But do not fail to call the resort beforehand, as many resorts do not like unplanned "walk-ins".
On some web pages it states that you do not have to call first, and that is fine.

6) You will have a much easier and far better chances of admission if you are a member of AANR and you can show your card and card number at the admission office.

See the following web page for venues in PA.
http://aanr-east.com/StateClubs.asp?State=pa

Leo, I'm sure you will make it, so think positively! You too will enjoy social nudism.
drewbe
12-23-2003, 12:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cyndiann:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by drewbe:
Leo,
From what I can understand it comes down to two issues:
1. In the past there have been a small number of single males who have caused trouble in clubs with bad behaviour. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Said who? There are a small number of people in general that have bad behavior. Most of them I have seen were married men. The singles are getting the rap over nothing. Do you have figures to back that up? <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>


2. They want to keep a gender balance with in the club.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>And what is the purpose of wanting a gender balance? What is considered a good balance and at what point is it a "bad balance"? Since there isn't any sex going on does it really matter that there are more men than women?

And anyway, at least two thirds of nudist clubs do accept singles to begin with so all this is moot. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Cyndiann,
I was trying to point out the 2 most common reasons why single men are not accepted into clubs if there are restrictions?. I was in no way condoning the reasons or even putting weight behind their truthfulness?. They seem to me to be stereotypes or excuses.


Naturally

Drew
12-23-2003, 12:51 PM
And I was disagreeing with what you said. You didn't say the clubs think singles are causing trouble you said the singles are causing trouble. If you meant differently please say so.
stevenf64
12-23-2003, 06:53 PM
[/QUOTE]Cyndiann,
I was trying to point out the 2 most common reasons why single men are not accepted into clubs if there are restrictions?. I was in no way condoning the reasons or even putting weight behind their truthfulness?. They seem to me to be stereotypes or excuses.


Naturally

Drew [/QB][/QUOTE]
Drew welcome aboard, I agree that you are intitled to your points, let me just tell you some people love to pounce, I find if I put in MY OPINION it causes less flames.
In my opinion
steve and again welcome
Leo
12-24-2003, 10:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by drewbe:
Leo,
From what I can understand it comes down to two issues:
1. In the past there have been a small number of single males who have caused trouble in clubs with bad behaviour.
2. They want to keep a gender balance with in the club.

Regards

Drew <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>But what about the few nudist single males that wish to do no harm, why can't they allow us. I have been a home nudist for aleast 20 years, and I wanting to come out where other people are.

I'm not a lurker, and I,m not into being a sexual preditor. I just want to be nude amongst other people the way God intended me to be.
MikeJB
12-24-2003, 12:22 PM
Yeah I mean why do the good people have to suffer because of a few lowlifes that cant learn to stay away from good wholesome places like nudists resorts. I think most of these places can find out the true intentions of these people just by how they answer their questions in an interview. Because a true nudist would be there to enjoy being naked in mixed company and just because it feels good while someone who wants to cause trouble probably wouldnt enjoy nudity per se and probably would get more shocked or turned on by nudity than enjoy it like most nudists do. Im just saying there are ways you can figure this stuff out, especially if you ask them random questions they areint expecting.
12-24-2003, 08:34 PM
It's like the old saying "guilty by association". If you're with someone who commits a crime, then you're guilty even if you don't do anything and didn't know what he had done.

Other similarities is a man who has an unfaithful wife that he divorces. He may have the attitude that ALL women are bad. The same with a woman whose husband cheats on her. She may think that ALL men are bad.

Some resorts seem to think that because a few men, single AND married, molest children or sexually harrass women, then ALL single men cannot be trusted and must be closely watched or rejected entirely, and they must be kept at a minimum if they are allowed in.

Since at least some of the child molesters and rapists are married, why is that married men are trusted as long as they have their wives with them, but all single men must be watched or rejected?
MikeJB
12-24-2003, 08:46 PM
Well I think its just the generally accepted rule that most men who are married dont do that sort of thing as much as single men do, im not saying that beleif is right but im just saying thats probably how they feel. They seem to feel that someone who is married and has kids is less likely to do something than some single guy who has no family and hasnt had any action in a long time. Personally I think a good way to solve this, not a 100% fool proof way, but pretty close is just to interview the person and ask them some quick and dirty questions *questions that only someone who is there for legitimate reasons could answer correctly* and do a background check to see if theyve had any past offenses on file. That way at least it would lower the amount of unsavory people that would be coming in without actually forcing all single males to stay out.
12-24-2003, 10:46 PM
The man who molested my daughters was living with my ex. He had daughters that he had also molested, along with other kids. He eventually ended up behind bars for it. Of course, he wasn't married at the time that he molested mine, but he used to be, and he was a dad.
drewbe
12-26-2003, 01:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Drew welcome aboard, I agree that you are intitled to your points, let me just tell you some people love to pounce, I find if I put in MY OPINION it causes less flames.
In my opinion
steve and again welcome <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Thanks for the welcome /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Drew