Inadvertant flasing to neighbours

[Kitheran]

Are there any legal issues with being nude at home, and unintentionally "flashing" a neighbour as you walk by a window. Note, not hovering at the window, just a casual walk by as you go about your business.

Or maybe the window blinds are partially closed yet they still see glimpses of you? WOuld this be there "fault", not yours? That is, why are they looking in your windows anyways?

[Zowell]

How did free people in a free country get so un-free? it is time to take back our freedom. I say walk in your house any way you want and if someone is snooping that much to see in your house then they get what they get. when I walk down the street I do not try to look in windows.
vote Ron Paul and restore the republic.

[Kitheran]

Thank you.

Everyone was wondering why the blinsd were always drawn. Guess now they know.

[Arnabas]

I agree that you should be free in you own home. I wish it were possible to be nude in the yard too, if that was what you wanted. You should be able to do as you wish on your property. Of course, having a fence or hedge is the considerate thing to do for neighbours who don't want to see you nude, but if someone looks over the fence, that would be their choice and their problem.

Don't imagine this happening anytime soon though.

[Pete Knight]

Surely if you are in your own home and someone is looking INTO your home, that makes them a peeping tom, if you can't be naked in your own home where else is there?

Pete Knight

[MJ_KC]

The peeping tom is clearly breaking the law. If anyone should get in trouble, it is them.

[BlobbyBob]

If a man looks into a house and sees a women nude he's a peeping tom, if a woman looks into a house and sees a naked man he's a flasher.

[nudeM]

The problem arises is when you have a 'picture' window in the front or any other type of large window which is left unobstructed. If you were spotted from the front by passersby, even though you are in your own house, it is possible you can get reported.

True, you are within your own home and nobody has the right to look inside, but if you don't take any measures to 'hide' yourself from the public, then yea, you could get reported. This would be true especially if you live on a heavily used street by the public.

Now, the backyard is different. Most places are accepting of backyard nudity. As stated, if someone has to look over the fence and spots you, then they are in violation. Now if they could spot you through the fence openings, you are still covered by privacy, but check the laws in your area. That is why it is best to know the neighbors first. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/smoking.gif

[nudenwv]

as long as you're not purposely walking in front of the window it's harmless. if others caught a glimpse then curiosity killed the cat. our windows are tinted and you have to get right in front of them to see in. if they go to that much trouble then they deserve what they see!

[xgsft]

Originally posted by Zowell:
How did free people in a free country get so un-free? it is time to take back our freedom. I say walk in your house any way you want and if someone is snooping that much to see in your house then they get what they get. when I walk down the street I do not try to look in windows.


See, I think a challenge to the system on the grounds of freedom to do what one wants on one's land would work. I just wish we could get off playing defensively and play offence on the issue.

[benakkied]

I agree when in your home do what you enjoy. My girl friend will walk from the shower room through the second floor of her home at night, with lights on and shades up.She will Get undressed in front of the open window.But will not go to a nude beach or resort. She only says NO ONE IS LOOKING!!! So what!! No one should be looking! We are all built respectively why worry if you are in your house. Do what you should be doing. It's the long pauses that get folks called on. It's the handling and grabbing that makes the difference in offencive behavior. Do not look, might see something you do not like she says.

[TigerTeam]

Originally posted by benakkied:
She will Get undressed in front of the open window.But will not go to a nude beach or resort. She only says NO ONE IS LOOKING!!! So what!! No one should be looking!

Funny that is what my wife says too. Even my children get dressed with the miniblind slats angled sideways. Its me who is most concerned about having the blinds closed down. I think it is because men know how men would react to catching a glimpse through a window.

So when a wife says that no one is looking she is partially right. No one is looking who has any self respect. But there are plenty of guys out there who would jump at the chance to look if they noticed it cause it turns them on. And it is these guys that women should be careful about. stalkers and predators do not need any more encouragement. A woman going about her business of undressing or dressing behind a window is much more interesting to an onlooker than a woman sitting in public nude. Because the woman at the window is in her private world, and onlookers like to peer into other people's private worlds.

[FLBareBear]

There have been a few times where neighbors or other have been "flashed", both from a window and from someone walking up on us in the yard. My neighbors know of our clothes-free ways, and now so do our mailcarrier, UPS driver, FedEx driver, and our local sheriff's office. Never any hassles, we obey the spirit and letter of the law, (Florida 800.03). Someone accidentally seeing us nude does not make us outlaws. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/applause.gif

[naturush]

My house, my rules. You don't like it, then don't look. Thats my two cents.

[nakedjohn]

I can be nude in my home when I want, but I would never stand nude in front of a window, knowing somebody is looking at me from the street or a neihgboring window.

[nudebushwalker]

Here in Australia, the law usually has it that you shouldn't be seen, in these situations, from a public place - e.g. road, paths, lanes, parks, and the like - when a normal person is going about their normal activities...
What you do in your own home or backyard is your own business, if your neighbour can't see you under normal everyday situations - if they have to be on their roof, up a ladder, or looking over the fence - to see you, then you're not actually "flashing" them, are you ??
If they tried to use those discriminatory laws down here, like some people complain of over in the US', then there are anti-discrimination laws here that could be used during the defence.

[MoonShadow]

If you are nude in your home and someone maybe on the sidewalk, road, sees you, you are not "inadvertently flashing" them. They simply see you naked.

Flashing is the deliberate act of showing yourself in front of people or individuals. Being nude in your home and going about your business even if looking out the window is not flashing. I do not know of any laws against being nude in your own home.

[nudeM]

Posted by MoonShadow: I do not know of any laws against being nude in your own home. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Although there are no laws prohibiting you being nude in your own home, you 'can' be reported to the local authorities if you are spotted by the public from the front of your house, especially if the windows are open. The same holds true in the back yard as well, but privacy rules are more in your favor.

If reported, it is then up to the local authorities as to how far they wish to pursue the issue. But, you can be reported if someone feels they are offended, even though you are in your own home. The best thing to do is make sure the windows and blinds are closed to the outside so nobody can see. Better safe than sorry. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/smoking.gif

[Bobx23456]

Originally posted by MoonShadow:
If you are nude in your home and someone maybe on the sidewalk, road, sees you, you are not "inadvertently flashing" them. They simply see you naked.

Flashing is the deliberate act of showing yourself in front of people or individuals. Being nude in your home and going about your business even if looking out the window is not flashing. I do not know of any laws against being nude in your own home.


When a man looks in a window and sees a naked woman, he's an evil Peeping Tom and should be arrested.

When a woman looks in a window and sees a naked man, he's an evil flasher and should be arrested.

That is how the law works in many places, and yes, men do get arrested for being "flashers" when females see them in their own homes.

Blessings

Bob

[MoonShadow]

To be a Peeping Tom, you are not just looking in a window. The Peeping Tom is actually at the window or in a few feet range but near the window. A man or woman who flashes is someone who is generally not inside his or her home standing at a window but who are out among the people.

We do not call men who stand at their windows, flashers, unless they are being deliberate and are near a sidewalk, road, roadway, drive or lane and make it a point to be standing there as people go by.

[Bobx23456]

Originally posted by MoonShadow:
To be a Peeping Tom, you are not just looking in a window. The Peeping Tom is actually at the window or in a few feet range but near the window. A man or woman who flashes is someone who is generally not inside his or her home standing at a window but who are out among the people.

We do not call men who stand at their windows, flashers, unless they are being deliberate and are near a sidewalk, road, roadway, drive or lane and make it a point to be standing there as people go by.


That is the working definition applied to women. For men a "flasher" or "indecent exposure" in many places is someone who is photographed in his home by a large telephoto lense from an appartment a long way away. Unfortunatly the working definition is very sexist in most parts of the US.

Blessings

Bob

[Bob S.]

It all depends on how easy it is to see you and from what distance you can be seen. If your neighbors can see you from within their house or on public property, then you are legally in the wrong. If they can only see you by coming onto your property, then you should be in the clear.

It also depends on the lengths they took to see you naked. If they are using binoculars from their windows, that is peeping tomming (I know, not an official term). If they have climbed in a tree on their property to be able to see into your house, that is being a peeping tom as well.

Bob S.

[Evernude]

As I recall, somewhere in the past, in Florida, I think, a woman was arrested and her children were taken away because she was seen vacuuming her house while nude with her children present. Or perhaps she was dancing around naked. Something like that. A person had seen this from the street or a neighboring house through open mini blinds and called the authorities. I believe she was eventually cleared of criminal charges and her children were returned, but at what price?

In my opinion, it isn’t worth the risk, legal or not. All it takes is one person to complain, and the next thing you know, you're a registered sex offender. My rule: I make sure that a person would have to make an unreasonable effort to see me naked in the house. If they see me in the back yard, I would have them arrested for trespassing, which is the only way they could see me.

[Bobx23456]

The recent alert from the Naturist Action Committee about Huntington Beach, CA, is relevant to this discussion.

In Huntington Beach the Blue Gun Thug Chief Kenneth Small asked the City Council to enact a city ordinance making it illegal for a man to be naked in his own home.

From the NAC announcement: "Former Huntington beach resident Michael Ferreira is the individual at whom Chief Small's ire is directed. Ferreira, who has told law enforcement officials that he considers himself a naturist, was arrested several months ago for being nude at his residence in Huntington Beach, where he was sometimes visible to others." http://www.naturistaction.org (http://www.naturist)


He was arrested but the case was dropped because the law in California does not prohibit nudity unless sexual activity or intent to offend someone is involved. The Puritan Blue Gun Thugs really hate the thought that someone, somewhere, is not under their total control. They want the City Council to make simple nudity at home a punishable crime, and registering as a "sex offender" for life.

When a woman sees a naked man in his home, he is a filthy exhibitionist and HE should be arrested.

When a man sees a woman naked in her home he is a filthy Peeping Tom and HE should be arrested.

Blessings

Bob

[MJ_KC]

Originally posted by Bobx23456:
When a woman sees a naked man in his home, he is a filthy exhibitionist and HE should be arrested.

When a man sees a woman naked in her home he is a filthy Peeping Tom and HE should be arrested.
Unfortunately I would have to say that this is fairly accurate.

[DenitaLC]

Originally posted by MJ_KC:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bobx23456:
When a woman sees a naked man in his home, he is a filthy exhibitionist and HE should be arrested.

When a man sees a woman naked in her home he is a filthy Peeping Tom and HE should be arrested.
Unfortunately I would have to say that this is fairly accurate. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I completely agree.......well said Bob. What an unfortunate truth.

[nifocinphx]

Originally posted by Bobx23456 - July 15, 2007 01:32 PM:
The recent alert from the Naturist Action Committee about Huntington Beach, CA, is relevant to this discussion ...
There are two current cff threads about the Action Alert from the Naturist Action Committee concerning Huntington Beach, CA.

See Help us fight anti-nudity law in Huntington Beach, CA @ http://clothesfreeforums.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7400016152/m/1620085005/r/#

and/or

NAC Action Alert: Huntington Beach, CA @ http://clothesfreeforums.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7400016152/m/4300084005/r/#

Help fight the proposed anti-naturist ordinance in Huntington Beach, CA. Email or fax the mayor and council members NOW!!!

[Buff Man in MI]

There was a couple that lived in an apartment in a building across from mine. My bedroom window looked into their bedroom window. The distance between the windows was about 20 feet. Several times the wife and I caught each other nude at out respective windows. We would just wave and smile at each other, neither of us ever made big deal about it. I was friendly with her and her husband. We would often sit on the steps with other folks in the complex and have a few beers telling stories and complaining about work or the apt. management. I often spent time with her at the pool on weekends. I remember one instance at the pool when one of her breasts was exposed. She let out a squeal as she adjusted her bikini top to reign it back in. I reminded her that we had already seen each other nude, so it shouldn't be a big deal. Her response, "oh yeah", then she flashed her breast purposely at me and laughed. After our time at the pool that day, back at our respective windows, we put on a show for each other, just silly stuff, nothing sexual. Mooning, sticking out our tongues and making faces, that kind of thing. It was just funny childish stuff. I have no idea if her husband ever knew about any of it.

[Digger1799]

Originally posted by Evernude:
If they see me in the back yard, I would have them arrested for trespassing, which is the only way they could see me.

Check your local laws on trespassing. Here in most of NY. In order for someone to be charged with tresspassing, you need NO TRESPASSING signs posted all the way around your property every 50 feet.

[nimrod]

I have made a habbit of leaving my curtains open, except when it is really hot to help keep the house cool. I told my neighbors that I am a nudist and if they could see me inside let me know, have not had any complaints yet. I will continue to leave the curtains open and be nude until some one does complain.