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[RIVERRAT]

I can't express how mad Iam at the FOX news channel. Did anyone see the commentary on teens in nude resorts. I have been a fan of FOX news for some time now, fare and balanced????? not tonight. they slammed nudist resorts for teens. They slammed AANR, and COMO, who we had reprasenting us on that program should be banded for life from all AANR activities, it was terrable. I could have done better drunk. We lost some ground there. Did anybody else see it?????

[Capt\'n Bluz]

I dont know if I saw the same thing as you, but I saw a little blurb this morning around 7 am about the youth camp at White Tail park. The showed some footage of elderly people there. (blurred out of course) and their commentary was just plain immature and stupid. The made fun of the name White Tail (should it be burned tail) and just totally talked bad about the camp. Then they went to some other lady who to go to another story and kept talking about it. Then the statement that totally pissed me off came up Im paraphrasing here..."How come these nudist people dont keep in shape?" "Kinda be like that guy in the exercise commercials?"

Now all this coming from a woman with considerable clevage showing...and looking like shes had more plastic surgery in her face than Zsa-Zsa.

I would say I had lost all respect for Fox News, but they had already lost it quite a while ago.

[RIVERRAT]

THANX I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST ME, I'M PISSED TO SAY THE LEAST.

[Bob S.]

I am not surprised at your description of Fox's report of the AANR teens camps. A couple of months back on their show "The Pulse" (on regular Fox affiliate) they did a cheesy report on the growing industry of nudist tourism. They had many juvenile tongue-in-cheek comments, an interview in poor taste, and a totally inappropriate comment after the piece ran.

After that, I have kind of been doing a one person boycott of Fox News, less so for the Fox affiliate, although I do not watch too many shows on that network anyway.

Bottom line, they are a conservative News channel that will more than likely take the traditional conservative societal values. Nudism is not generally accepted in the traditional conservatism (this I readily admit and yes, I am a conservative).

Bob S.

[dancin\'bare]

The moral-majority considers nudity as unwholesome,I would imagine any statement with the words naked teens are probably almost frightening in their minds.In defense of the people interveiwed,their comments were probably taken out of context.When tapes are rolling for a few hours a lot can be done in the edit room.
I'll bet that those people are probably very angry also.

[Doug H]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dancin'bare:
The moral-majority considers nudity as unwholesome,I would imagine any statement with the words naked teens are probably almost frightening in their minds.In defense of the people interveiwed,their comments were probably taken out of context.When tapes are rolling for a few hours a lot can be done in the edit room.
I'll bet that those people are probably very angry also. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>A nationally known newspaper prints a reasonable story about an unusual activity. (Yes, a teen nudist camp is unusual. If it isn't, why are there only three in the US?) A Congressman reads it, and makes a public statement about it (ostensibly to champion one of his favorite causes, but he's also running for nomination to the US Senate. Coincidence, I think not.) The mainstream media, always hungry for a story (and ratings. Don't forget ratings.) gives plenty of coverage, which includes taped comments from everyday people. (Which can also be edited and replayed out of context)

Sounds to me like a nomal day in the "Age of the Sound Bite". Terrible, isn't it? Why do media outlets do this? It works. Will ranting and raving solve this problem? No, you'll only give the media people another story to exploit for ratings. Will switching TV or radio stations or newspapers? Possibly, if enough people do it. Can anyone make anyone else NOT tune in? If I have a right to "tune out", everyone else has a right to "tune in". Until American society, as a society, decides to tune this out, we'll keep getting more of it. So I guess I won't be watching much Fox News anymore (not that I was watching much TV News to begin with.)

Doug H.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RIVERRAT:
florida david, now you've pissed me off, I watch FOX news because it's way better than network news, AND A WHOLE LOT SMARTER. I guess they just got this one wrong??? If you have problems with how stupid Iam, check your spelling. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Fox News lost most credability with their crappy war coverage and is not a good source for unbiased reporting at any time. Better to find out now than to keep thinking they are giving you truth don't you think?

Please stop attacking other posters and stick with the issues.

[dancin\'bare]

Any Network that could hire Geraldo Rivera and calls themselves a serious news station is really ridiculous.It's unfortunate that ratings and the dollar has even tainted honest and solid reporting.By that I mean providing the general public with enough information that they can then form their own opinions.

[RIVERRAT]

The Media is biased, no mater where you pick it up.The papers, the regular channels, ABC, CBS, NBC, and the cable channels. I don't trust any of them.They will spin what pays the bills. I do like FOX better than the rest. Though I'm not happy with them either.
But when we sit down to our TV's, we have to watch something, I usually tune into the FOX news channel.
I'm not even going to respond to Cindianes statement.
My point is this, they have gone way out of bounds on this issue. They brought two idiots in on our side and an obviuos paid stuge for there side and ran this whole issue there way without anyone smart enough to answer the issue. Has anyone seen MTV or other programs that target the young. They are much more offensive than a weekend at a nudist outing, where these same kids are taught to respect there bodies, not to exploit or lust over them. It's a shame that the same people that teach this crap, about teen nudism being bad, would buy there kids some of these sexy videos and such, then critisize wholesome gatherings.

[Falcon46]

You guys really hit on one of my pet-peeves when you talk about FoxNews...

For the most part, it barely qualifies as a news channel at all. Take away all the opinions and conjecture and what have ya got? (commercials lol)
Their style of "reporting", and I use the term loosely, in my opinion isn't newscasting and sure as hell isn't journalism. This broadcast is nothing but another example of "inventing" the news rather than reporting it. I've often thought of a parody about FoxNews in how they gather ideas for the "news"... which essentially would start with all the "reporters" hanging out at the water cooler trading gossip... lol I could go on for several hours/pages about this... but I won't. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif It's nice to see not everyone follows them like sheep...

I'll stick with CNN Headline News

Cheers! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[nekkidgene]

Did anyone watch the Good Morning America segment on Nude Youth Camp? Here's the link if anyone is interested:

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/Living/GMA030624NudistCamps.html

This U.S. Rep. Mark Foley has got to be stopped!

[Nude in the North]

I didn't see the show but I just read the article you linked to and have a comment or two to share.

I think it's wonderfull that the world is filled with so many Moral Minded people, that want to "Protect" everyone from their freedom of choice. We all need to search out any possible harmfull situation and Ban it from existance. If we make everything that could potentially cause harm to someone, against the law the world will be such a wonderfull place to live.

But Why start with Nudity?? There are so few Nudists in the world. Why not start with some of the more common problems.
People get killed Driving cars. Why not ban them?
And Planes and Trains too.
People get hurt at work. Shouldn't we abolish Work?
Eating can cause problems. Let's hear it for banning Food.
And I don't want to mention All those Clubs like Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts. Or certain Religious Organizations.
These things and many others have already been proven to be harmful to people. So why is it that so many "Moral" people allow them to continue, but Jump on the moral band wagon everytime someone chooses to enjoy the Freedom of Nudism.
Are these people really worried about what is going on at a nude summer camp? Or is it just a way to get their name in the paper without offending too many people.
If he really want's to protect kids he should sponsor a bill to monitor Priests, not Nudists.

Mr. Foley stated that "for obvious reasons he doesn't really know what go's on at these nude camps".
I don't see any Obvious reason that he couldn't go see for himself. Instead of setting off alarms out of Ignorance , why doesn't he just ask to be invited as an observer so he can see for himself what the camps are all about.
That seems like the Obvious step to take.
I have never been inside a Catholic Church. But I sure wouldn't try to close all of them down just because I think something bad might have happened in one of them.

We need to stop banning Freedom. Diversity is the strength of our nation. Let's not Dictate what kinds of diversity are acceptable.

Respectfully,

Steve

[nekkidgene]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nude in the North:
I didn't see the show but I just read the article you linked to and have a comment or two to share.

I think it's wonderfull that the world is filled with so many Moral Minded people, that want to "Protect" everyone from their freedom of choice. We all need to search out any possible harmfull situation and Ban it from existance. If we make everything that could potentially cause harm to someone, against the law the world will be such a wonderfull place to live.

But Why start with Nudity?? There are so few Nudists in the world. Why not start with some of the more common problems.
People get killed Driving cars. Why not ban them?
And Planes and Trains too.
People get hurt at work. Shouldn't we abolish Work?
Eating can cause problems. Let's hear it for banning Food.
And I don't want to mention All those Clubs like Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts. Or certain Religious Organizations.
These things and many others have already been proven to be harmful to people. So why is it that so many "Moral" people allow them to continue, but Jump on the moral band wagon everytime someone chooses to enjoy the Freedom of Nudism.
Are these people really worried about what is going on at a nude summer camp? Or is it just a way to get their name in the paper without offending too many people.
If he really want's to protect kids he should sponsor a bill to monitor Priests, not Nudists.

Mr. Foley stated that "for obvious reasons he doesn't really know what go's on at these nude camps".
I don't see any Obvious reason that he couldn't go see for himself. Instead of setting off alarms out of Ignorance , why doesn't he just ask to be invited as an observer so he can see for himself what the camps are all about.
That seems like the Obvious step to take.
I have never been inside a Catholic Church. But I sure wouldn't try to close all of them down just because I think something bad might have happened in one of them.

We need to stop banning Freedom. Diversity is the strength of our nation. Let's not Dictate what kinds of diversity are acceptable.

Respectfully,

Steve <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Why don't we just shut down the Catholic Church. After all, its a good place to have children molested! I wonder what Foley would think about THAT!

[nekkidgene]

Why don't we just shut down the Catholic Church. After all, its a good place to have children molested! I wonder what Foley would think about THAT!

[Bob S.]

Let's have fun here. Where have children been exploited?

Playgrounds. Don't pervs hang out there?
Beaches. There they are, half-naked, running around like a meat market!
Schools. Ooh. Let's just gather them up all in one place to make it easier for the perv.
Day-care centers. See schools.
Houses of Worship. Dressed in their best just to impress the perv.
Homes. That is where most of the exploitation occurs.

Oh, the heck with it. Let's just get rid of the kids! That'll make it so much easier.

Bob S.

[Naturist Mark]

I ran across an item that may explain Rep. Foley's actions. Sun-Sentinel (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/columnists/sfl-panthony24may24,0,3626659.column?coll=sfla-news-col)

I want to be very careful about how to explain this.

Last month Mr. Foley was 'outed' by the gay media, a charge he did not deny, but which he refused to comment upon. As a conservative Republican running for the US Senate he must court the votes of the Florida bible belt.

He needed to change the subject very quickly and decisively.

He did just that.

I don't believe he is immoral or unfit because of his sexual orientation. I don't want to hear anyone engage in gay bashing against Mr. Foley, that is not my point and you shame yourself if it is yours.

The measure of his character isn't that he lives an alternative lifestyle. That he would unjustly attack the chosen lifestyle of others for his own venal purposes does display his true character.

-Mark

[luvnaturism]

Naturistmark1, I think the article you found explains a lot of things. Originally I thought that for Rep. Foley to stir up the media over a topic that he admitted openly he knows nothing about was beyond strange. Now comes understanding.

I agree with, support, and appreciate your careful distinction that a person should not be attacked or considered unfit for office on the basis of sexual orientation. However, his present behavior demonstrates a complete lack of that judgement that we hope to have in people elected to high office, not to mention a serious moral deficiency.

Too bad I don't live where I could vote against him.

[Croydon]

Whoever agreed to the NY Times article should have known that there would be a controversy. I personally do not feel bad for them. It was stupid of them to agree to the story and should have known that this would blow up in their face.

Who in their right mind would think that if they decide to let NY Times do a paper on TEEN and nudist camp that people would be ok and keep silent? That is just plain stupid to think that.

[missouriboy]

Croydon, public outreach and education is one of the main goals of advocates for nudism in this country, so an article in the Times is just one more instance of that. Occasionally, such efforts may backfire, but you can't make progress without stepping off dead center.

Those teen nudist camps are for real, they're what's happening right now, they're news. What else are those advocates going to use for press releases, something "made up?" If they "should have known" that teen articles would be a problem, could you please tell us which other subjects will also cause such problems?

Methinks you speak with 20/20 hindsight.

[Croydon]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by missouriboy:
Croydon, public outreach and education is one of the main goals of advocates for nudism in this country, so an article in the Times is just one more instance of that. Occasionally, such efforts may backfire, but you can't make progress without stepping off dead center. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Public outreach is one of the main goals, I do agree with you on that but there is a way to educate textiles about nudism. Did you read the NY Times article? I read it and it did very little to shed light on nudism. The article only spoke about the popularity of these camps and that teens are around each other naked. The article made no mention of information to EDUCATE readers. It didn't speak about body acceptance, "freedom", nor did it mention any stats about nudism among teens raised in nudist families. The article didn't even speak about nudism at all. It even failed to mention that the teens who attend these camps are not random Joe and Jane from suburbia America. These kids and teens were raised in nudist families so they are well aware of the issues of nudism and that nudism is a non sexual actvity that they were raised in. That being said, I still think the people who agreed to the article were negligent. There's a difference b/w educating the public using ADULTS as your evidence and TEENS as your evidence. Readers see nudism as an ADULT activity and that kids shouldnt be seeing random people naked. Wouldn't it have been a better idea to start with the ADULT in nudism? The idea is to think for TOMORROW not for TODAY.

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nude in the North:
I didn't see the show but I just read the article you linked to and have a comment or two to share.

I think it's wonderfull that the world is filled with so many Moral Minded people, that want to "Protect" everyone from their freedom of choice. We all need to search out any possible harmfull situation and Ban it from existance. If we make everything that could potentially cause harm to someone, against the law the world will be such a wonderfull place to live.

But Why start with Nudity?? There are so few Nudists in the world. Why not start with some of the more common problems.
People get killed Driving cars. Why not ban them?
And Planes and Trains too.
People get hurt at work. Shouldn't we abolish Work?
Eating can cause problems. Let's hear it for banning Food.
And I don't want to mention All those Clubs like Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts. Or certain Religious Organizations.
These things and many others have already been proven to be harmful to people. So why is it that so many "Moral" people allow them to continue, but Jump on the moral band wagon everytime someone chooses to enjoy the Freedom of Nudism.
Are these people really worried about what is going on at a nude summer camp? Or is it just a way to get their name in the paper without offending too many people.
If he really want's to protect kids he should sponsor a bill to monitor Priests, not Nudists.

Mr. Foley stated that "for obvious reasons he doesn't really know what go's on at these nude camps".
I don't see any Obvious reason that he couldn't go see for himself. Instead of setting off alarms out of Ignorance , why doesn't he just ask to be invited as an observer so he can see for himself what the camps are all about.
That seems like the Obvious step to take.
I have never been inside a Catholic Church. But I sure wouldn't try to close all of them down just because I think something bad might have happened in one of them.

We need to stop banning Freedom. Diversity is the strength of our nation. Let's not Dictate what kinds of diversity are acceptable.

Respectfully,

Steve <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>AMEN my friend, Iam a roman catholic, you are signing to the chior.

[Bob S.]

Here is an article for a positive article on the nudist teen camps. http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=56075&ran=24172

I found it to be professional and very informative. Now I await all of the letters to the editor (it is from my loal paper).

Bob S.

[nude in wheelchair]

That artical really explans alot about our lifestyle plus the camp, but most people on the outside world will read it blindly. It like satin is trying to cover up God's awesome creation. So those who believe in power of prayers let pray that this camp will be safe and have people eyse be open.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bob S.:
Here is an article for a positive article on the nudist teen camps. http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=56075&ran=24172

I found it to be professional and very informative. Now I await all of the letters to the editor (it is from my loal paper).

Bob S. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Wow! I think that's the most positive article I've come across yet!

Let us know what the letters to the Editor say Bob.

[NudeTrain]

All I have to say is this: With the exception of Geraldo Rivera (or however he spells his name), Fox has done a great job of trying to be as fair and as balanced as possible when reporting the news. O'Reilly, while Conservative-leaning, is sort of a moderate. Hannity is balanced out by Colmes (in a physical since, Colmes doesn't seem to have the passion Hannity does) and they are great when it comes to reporting just the bare facts.

So, just because they get one story screwed up, does that mean we have to be up-in-arms? No, they made a simple mistake-reporters are humans too-so lets just calm down, relax, take a deep breath, and let it go. Remember, the American public's attention span is about as long as a summer shower-by now most everyone else in America has forgotten about it-and lets look at all the things that they do that are right, instead of focusing on just 1 wrong.

Nude Train, it isn't one story they got wrong... most of what they posted on the Iraq war was twisted, dumbed down or just not reported on at all.

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NudeTrain:
All I have to say is this: With the exception of Geraldo Rivera (or however he spells his name), Fox has done a great job of trying to be as fair and as balanced as possible when reporting the news. O'Reilly, while Conservative-leaning, is sort of a moderate. Hannity is balanced out by Colmes (in a physical since, Colmes doesn't seem to have the passion Hannity does) and they are great when it comes to reporting just the bare facts.

So, just because they get one story screwed up, does that mean we have to be up-in-arms? No, they made a simple mistake-reporters are humans too-so lets just calm down, relax, take a deep breath, and let it go. Remember, the American public's attention span is about as long as a summer shower-by now most everyone else in America has forgotten about it-and lets look at all the things that they do that are right, instead of focusing on just 1 wrong. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Iam a fox news supporter, I enjoy Hannity and Combes, also O'reilly factor, ALL I said was they, the fare and balanced, tilted away from fare and balanced and went one sided to the non nudist side with no support from the nudist side , fare and balanced you decide.

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cyndiann:
Nude Train, it isn't one story they got wrong... most of what they posted on the Iraq war was twisted, dumbed down or just not reported on at all. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Fox and there inbedded reporters did a great job with the war, you just hate that it was so great, you anti any thing types, just hate when it comes out right. when this is done and there is peace in the middle east, then preach your anti everthing game.

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NudeTrain:
All I have to say is this: With the exception of Geraldo Rivera (or however he spells his name), Fox has done a great job of trying to be as fair and as balanced as possible when reporting the news. O'Reilly, while Conservative-leaning, is sort of a moderate. Hannity is balanced out by Colmes (in a physical since, Colmes doesn't seem to have the passion Hannity does) and they are great when it comes to reporting just the bare facts.

So, just because they get one story screwed up, does that mean we have to be up-in-arms? No, they made a simple mistake-reporters are humans too-so lets just calm down, relax, take a deep breath, and let it go. Remember, the American public's attention span is about as long as a summer shower-by now most everyone else in America has forgotten about it-and lets look at all the things that they do that are right, instead of focusing on just 1 wrong. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I like Fox news, I love Covuto, O'Reilly, Hannity and Combes, and all the ex something or other contributers, I just think they spun this away from the good stuff and didn't allow our side to rebut, the people we had to represent us were to say the least terrible. nough said

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RIVERRAT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cyndiann:
Nude Train, it isn't one story they got wrong... most of what they posted on the Iraq war was twisted, dumbed down or just not reported on at all. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Fox and there inbedded reporters did a great job with the war, you just hate that it was so great, you anti any thing types, just hate when it comes out right. when this is done and there is peace in the middle east, then preach your anti everthing game. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> http://www.e-thepeople.org/article/16616/view

http://www.global-equality.org/action/fox_protest.shtml

http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/7651

http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/04/1594893.php

BTW, I don't hate....

[Trailscout]

Anyone know how the hell a post about war got into a nude recreation forum?

Maybe the untold story will emerge someday about naked Iraqis gals and American GI's skinnydipping together in the Tigris River, then cuddling up on the sandy banks to eat dates and smooch in the shade of the palms.Yep, there really wasn't a war at all. It was done on a Hollywood set and in the Mojave Desert.

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
Anyone know how the hell a post about war got into a nude recreation forum?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It was brought in because of the meta discussion about the bias displayed by Fox news.

Fox is obviously the conservative corporate news source, with some liberal fig leaves (the more ineffectual the better) added for 'balance'. It is a great news source if it matches your worldview and politics and you don't want to be seriously challenged by other viewpoints. But an entire news network shouldn't emulate Rush Limbaugh.

The fact that most of the broadcast news media gets equally criticized from the right as being 'liberal' and from the left as being too 'conservative' probably means they are making a reasonably balanced approach (at least with respect to the news they choose to cover).

The War coverage hardly need be used as an example of Fox bias. Look at their previous coverage of nudism. The Pulse newsmagazine program (which was carried on the broadcast Fox network, but produced by Fox news) was not too bad in the superficial report itself, but was surrounded by wisecracks and titilation from the presenters and demeaning teasers throughout the program.

-Mark

Very good post mark!

[AussieBeachBoy]

Fox's tendency to take a slanted view, usually on the conservative side of an issue, and lack of balanced coverage is often held up in our country as an argument against changing media laws to allow great concentration of ownership.

Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation, which owns Fox, also owns a number of daily newspapers here in Australia. Murdoch exercises a substantial degree of editorial influence - which is why Fox tends to be so opinionated. If News got control of a high percentage of media outlets, the Murdoch's-eye-view would be hard to escape from.

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cyndiann:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bob S.:
Here is an article for a positive article on the nudist teen camps. http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=56075&ran=24172

I found it to be professional and very informative. Now I await all of the letters to the editor (it is from my loal paper).

Bob S. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Wow! I think that's the most positive article I've come across yet!

Let us know what the letters to the Editor say Bob. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I checked it out, it was very well done. See I'm not always negative.

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nekkidgene:
Why don't we just shut down the Catholic Church. After all, its a good place to have children molested! I wonder what Foley would think about THAT! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Now theres an answer And I thought I was stupid, if you want my address it is available, we can talk or not.

[fred950]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
Anyone know how the hell a post about war got into a nude recreation forum?

Maybe the untold story will emerge someday about naked Iraqis gals and American GI's skinnydipping together in the Tigris River, then cuddling up on the sandy banks to eat dates and smooch in the shade of the palms. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I've already received porno smap impling just that.Sad.

[Trailscout]

Fred,

I hope my sarcasm wasn't lost here. I am trying to say that I have no interest in seeing debates about the relative merits of Fox vs CNN on this thread of the forum.

Okay if no one will abide by that guideline, I might as well opine:

My "midnight at the oasis" quip was meant to characteur the sensational reporting standards of every visual news medium: Fox, CNN, MSNBC, all of them. Radio gets the story straight a little more often, but not by much. I don't trust many newspapers. I like Wall Street Journal and the Times (London). There are still a few magazine journalists who write thoughtful articles and are not so driven to "entertain" readers at the expense of the truth, but they too are hemmed in by pressure from the big syndicates to tow the party line.

What do you think of Worldnet Daily or Drudge?

I heard recently that Russia shut down the last independent (non-government) news agency. If we in the west have no source of news outside the control of the media moguls, how are we different from life under Czar Putin?

Are there any truly independent print media left?

[missouriboy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
Are there any truly independent print media left? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>www.americanfreepress.net (http://www.americanfreepress.net)

[MaxNik]

On today's HARDBALL with Chris Matthews (MSNBC), he is doing a feature on Nudist Youth Camps. Hope many of you can watch so we can get some good feedback on this program. Hopefully, it won't be as jaded as the Fox News feature.

[MaxNik]

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the feature was great! State Rep. John Quinones took the Foley position and rallied in support of banning nude youth camps,but Matthews reamed him a new one when he said something to the effect of "it seems to me Rep. Quinones that there are more incidents of impropriety between young interns and politicians than there are amongst youthful nudists." WHAT A GREAT LINE!

[RIVERRAT]

I agree 100% I love dogs, I also love cats, I don't have the time for dogs, cats take care of themselves. I would love to have the time for a dog, but my time is tyde up and the dog would suffer, so for a pet I guess the cat wins. We all need pets to help us through our lives, many would preferre dogs, but sometimes cats can be a better friend??? Even though they are there own person, arn't we also.

[Naturist Mark]

Congressman Foley is back in the news again.
Sixteen-Year-Old Who Worked as Capitol Hill Page Concerned About E-mail Exchange with Congressman (http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/09/sixteenyearold_.html)

[Naturist Mark]

Congressman Foley has just resigned.

-Mark

[Bob]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060930/ap_on_go_co/congressman_e_mails_37

WASHINGTON - In a scandal guaranteed to anger parents, a prominent House Republican has resigned after the revelation that he exchanged raunchy electronic messages with a teenage boy, a former congressional page.
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ABC News reported Friday that Foley also engaged in a series of sexually explicit instant messages with current and former pages, all male. In one message, ABC said, Foley wrote to one page, "Do I make you a little horny?"

In another message, Foley wrote, "You in your boxers, too? ... Well, strip down and get relaxed."
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[Nude in the North]

Matthews reamed him a new one when he said something to the effect of "it seems to me Rep. Quinones that there are more incidents of impropriety between young interns and politicians than there are amongst youthful nudists."

Looks like Chris Matthews Nailed this story 3 years ago.

I love it.

Steve