opinions on genital piercing?

[flash]

im just now getting into the whole nude thing and have looked at tons of web sites and talked to folks at the aanr and other places..and it seems genital piercing is frowned upon...you guys know why? later

[flash]

im just now getting into the whole nude thing and have looked at tons of web sites and talked to folks at the aanr and other places..and it seems genital piercing is frowned upon...you guys know why? later

It is because people, even nudists, have been mislead about it. It is deemed a sexual oriented activity and the traditional nudists have fits. It is changing though....

as time goes by these things are relaxed and the newer clubs usually don't object to them.

Once it was not acceptable to hold hands at a nudist club, and alcohol was not allowed either.

[flash]

thanks for replying..tomorrow will be my first social nude experience..im really looking forward to it just have to remove a couple pieces of jewelry hahah..thanks again later shane

Flash,

The thing to do is to call the place where you're planning on going and ask what their policy is on genital piercing. Every place is different. Some places are more accepting of things that other places won't accept at all.

My first time at a nudist resort was not a good one because of not being married. They didn't want me there. I didn't let it discourage me and found a place that would accept unmarried men. So, be sure they will accept the piercings first, and maybe you won't have to remove it. I've never noticed anyone with any piercings, although I have seen people with many tattoos.

[flash]

thanks jon..everyone here on this board seems to be so nice and forthcoming with info and answering questions..its very cool. i havent found a resort in my area yet that accepts the piercings but its no big deal i can take them out its just a good thing tattoos arent against any rules hahaha im covered arms leg chest back ..just about everywhere hahaha but thanks for the info...later flash

[Christian]

I don't really see the big deal with genital piercings. I mean, if someone has a suit of armor down there then I might check 'em out just for curiousity sake, but otherwise, who cares. Just be careful in an electrical storm. :-)

[flash]

ahahah yea that would suck lol (electrical storm) ouch!! flash

[Raised_by_She-Wolf]

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I have one question...
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WHY???????
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I mean, maybe it wouldn't be so bad for a guy to get a genital piercing, but a girl????????? We have to sit on those things, for Godsakes!!

[Prometheus]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Raised_by_She-Wolf:
I have one question...

WHY???????

I mean, maybe it wouldn't be so bad for a guy to get a genital piercing, but a girl????????? We have to sit on those things, for Godsakes!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I always thought women could get away with it and it was the men who were crazy. Never mind the pain of getting it put in, just think about the mechanics of sex. Imagine pulling on your earring a hundred zillion times /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[flash]

its not bad at all actually quite interesting.

[Jochanaan]

So what is genital piercing about? Can someone explain it to us who are unpierced?

[Raised_by_She-Wolf]

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[b]
Genital piercing is when you pierce your genitals. (You know, pierce? Like what you do to decorate your earlobes?) /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[dancin\'bare]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Raised_by_She-Wolf:
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I have one question...
<h2>
WHY???????
<h5>
I mean, maybe it wouldn't be so bad for a guy to get a genital piercing, but a girl????????? We have to sit on those things, for Godsakes!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[dancin\'bare]

Guys ocassionally sit down also.I also believe a girl is more apt to be stimilated depending on where the peircing is located.

[Raised_by_She-Wolf]

[b]
Many apologies. I really don't know what a penis feels like, being that I wasn't born with one. I just thought that when guys sat down, it kinda layed on top- thus, a piece of metal wouldn't hurt as bad as when it is directly squished between the underside and the chair, which is the girl's case.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Raised_by_She-Wolf:
[b]
Many apologies. I really don't know what a penis feels like, being that I wasn't born with one. I just thought that when guys sat down, it kinda layed on top- thus, a piece of metal wouldn't hurt as bad as when it is directly squished between the underside and the chair, which is the girl's case. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Actually the most common female genital piercing is through the clitoris hood. That isn't on the bottom, it's in the front. Were you born with one of those? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Raised_by_She-Wolf]

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-looks 'clitoris hood' up in anatomical dictionary-

-attempts to sound smart-
Why, of course I was born with one of those! How can I properly circulate tynensulactin without a clitoris hood to filter and polarize it? Silly.

[GeorgiaNudist]

One of the resorts in Georgia that our family no longer goes to had a number of women that spent a large amount of money for "nudist" clothing. It gave us the impression that they were still trying to make a fashion statement when nude.

This resort also had a number of women that had pearcing done on various parts of their genital area, in addition to being smooth. As a man, it really is not my call, but my concern would be for the potential damage to the nerve tissue from the procedure and the resulting loss of sensation, which after all, is the sole purpose of its existance.

[flash]

you would be suprised at the umm intense increase in sensitivity that certain piercings can have.theres definetly no loss of it in any shape or form..later shane

[Raised_by_She-Wolf]

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[b]
You wanna hear pain, Flashy Boy??
<h3>
You wanna hear pain??????
</h3>
How about getting your uvula (the hangy-ball on the back of your throat) pierced??? /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[RIVERRAT]

Just plain stupid??????????????

[flash]

flashy boy hahaha first time i been called that..all piercings are painful any how.some more that others..to each his own.. hahaha flashy boy

[Raised_by_She-Wolf]

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[b]
Not that I've ever had my uvula pierced. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
But, I told my mom that now I'm 18, I would like to get my lip pierced. She's not too happy with that proposal, but she figures that she should let me go and do whatever, and learn my lesson the hard way.

I know I'm stringing up my own noose when I'm saying this, but why do people, when they legally become adults, try to prove their adulthood by doing really childish things (i.e. piercings, tattoos, porn, etc.)? /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[Nude in the North]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Raised_by_She-Wolf:
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[b]

I know I'm stringing up my own noose when I'm saying this, but why do people, when they legally become adults, try to prove their adulthood by doing really childish things (i.e. piercings, tattoos, porn, etc.)? /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That's a good question.
My son once wanted to get some facial piercing done. When I asked him why He explained that it was a way to show your Individualality. He said that EVERYONE was doing it.
So I asked him , If everyone is doing it what is so Individual about it?
Personally I don't wear jewelery of any kind and certainly wouldn't poke a hole in my body to hang it from if I did.

Steve

[Chocolate]

See, I just don't get it...actually, I get a little irritated when I hear about somone being upset. But suppose I shouldn't be. My thoughts that nudist would generally be "open-minded" people. That as long as somone wasn't rudely staring somoen down or playing with themselves, something like a genital piercing would be NO BIG DEAL.

Just like naturism/nudism, it's NOT always for the sexual stimulation. For many, body piercings are a way of life. The experience they have when they get a piercing is very personal and can be a great bonding experience with others. it holds mnay different meanings and significance for each individual person.

I'm thinking the people who flip are the ones who are un-accostomed to the whole piercing thing, probably older people if you ask me. They think it's odd and weird and must obviously mean this person is kinky and way too much of a sexual person to be able to be a true naturist/nudist and is there just to throw sexuality into the mix. NOOOOT! It's a piercing...get over it. What they have it for is their own business. So to those PRUDES, my advice...stop staring at their piercings and allow them to enjoy the naturist/nudist experience like you! :-)

[flash]

i couldnt have said it any better myself

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Raised_by_She-Wolf:
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[b]
Not that I've ever had my uvula pierced. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
But, I told my mom that now I'm 18, I would like to get my lip pierced. She's not too happy with that proposal, but she figures that she should let me go and do whatever, and learn my lesson the hard way.

I know I'm stringing up my own noose when I'm saying this, but why do people, when they legally become adults, try to prove their adulthood by doing really childish things (i.e. piercings, tattoos, porn, etc.)? /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Good for you girl friend, you have it all together.

[mj]

ref; genital piercings and tats. I have 4 genital piercings....did them for me and no one else. If I am excluded from some place because of them...that is their problem not mine... thought this whole area was for getting comfortable and hanging out, pun not intended, with like minded folk, and if I am excluded...guess we really not like minded are we. Piercings are only a small part of who I am.

[flash]

amen mj !! i feel the same i have 2 piercings down there i dont feel i should have to take them out and so far i havent.. later shane

[Trailscout]

If you don't go to resorts, no one will tell you what to do about piercings.

Most nudists find genital piercings contrary to the spirit of non-sexual public nudity. If that somebody is a resort owner, you don't get to go inside his resort.

I know that some people don't mean to send the message that they are sexual perverts by the fact that they want to show off their pierced genitalia in a family nudist camp, but it's kinda like a man with a swastika tattoo on his forehead demanding admission to a synagogue and being angry that people take offense at his tattoo.

[mj]

I was not going to reply to trailscout...but here I go....

Trailscout....who gave you permission to speak for most nudists....looks as if there is only one of ......

Next....what qualifies you to judge a sexual perversion....are you a PhD psychologist or a MD trained in Pshyciatry.....I bet not!!!! I bet if you were to check the latest edition of the DSM,(Oh, you don't know what that is, why am I not suprised!!) you would not find genital piercing there along with necrophilia or pedophilia....or a host of other problems.

As Dave stated you are allowed your own opinion...but please do not confuse your opinion with fact....

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mj:

Trailscout....who gave you permission to speak for most nudists....looks as if there is only one of ......
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Let's be fair, Trailscout didn't claim to be speaking for anyone.

Most of what he wrote was clearly identified as opinion. He did make one broad statement:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Most nudists find genital piercings contrary to the spirit of non-sexual public nudity. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Which can only be construed as representing his impression of the opinions of those nudists he is familiar with.

I'd have to say I think he is right on. Most of the practising real world (as opposed to online) nudists I've met feel that way too. Many are also very tolerant of it (to each his own, etc.) but I've heard what is said.
-Mark

[Trailscout]

Okay, let's all have "KICK ME" tattooed to our hind quarters in big bold letters and prance around a nudist resort and then let's get all huffy and indignant when people respond to the message.

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dave M.:
Your missing the point which is --having a genital not does make a- bad person <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Oh yeah? Most bad people *have* genitals.

So there!

Just slightly seriously, I think Trailscout accurately expresses what many nudists, particularly long time AANR/TNS type nudists think about Genital Jewelry.

Accurate doesn't mean fair.

But when people adopt body mods previously associated with BDSM and Swinging it can't be surprising that they tend to try to connect the dots ...

-Mark

[Bob S.]

mj and Dave M, I believe it was George Carlin who said, "Calm down. Have some dip." (you'd have to really appreciate it in context.).

And also, just for comment and extremely off-topic, you know the APA is considering removing all paraphilias from the DSM?

And to back up with what Mark said, Trailscout did not say anywhere in his post that he is an expert on anything nor did he suppose to speak for anybody but himself. Emotional outbursts do not make a good point except for in the sentencing phases of trials. Reason is usually lost in the translation.

And Trailscout does make a point that I will expand upon. When one gets a piercing, tattoo, shaves, he is doing so for a specific reason that he knows. But that does not mean that others cannot use their own judgement and, upon seeing said alteration, form their own bias in their own mind. Can't they have separate thoughts as your own?

"INTORERANCE BREEDS TYRANY-just a thought "

I love that quote by you, Dave. You are just as intolerant of those who find genital piercings offensive as they are of those who have genital piercings. And can intolerance also breed anarchy?

Bob S.

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cyndiann:
It is because people, even nudists, have been mislead about it. It is deemed a sexual oriented activity and the traditional nudists have fits. It is changing though....

as time goes by these things are relaxed and the newer clubs usually don't object to them.

Once it was not acceptable to hold hands at a nudist club, and alcohol was not allowed either. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>you would be the first to critisize curcomsition

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Raised_by_She-Wolf:
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I have one question...
<h2>
WHY???????
<h5>
I mean, maybe it wouldn't be so bad for a guy to get a genital piercing, but a girl????????? We have to sit on those things, for Godsakes!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>A complete waste of money, buy a braclet for your python, jewelry is a waste of money when just worn, why stick it through something, really out there.

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
If you don't go to resorts, no one will tell you what to do about piercings.

Most nudists find genital piercings contrary to the spirit of non-sexual public nudity. If that somebody is a resort owner, you don't get to go inside his resort.

I know that some people don't mean to send the message that they are sexual perverts by the fact that they want to show off their pierced genitalia in a family nudist camp, but it's kinda like a man with a swastika tattoo on his forehead demanding admission to a synagogue and being angry that people take offense at his tattoo. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>perfect annallagy, right on the head, excuse the pun.

[RIVERRAT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dave M.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
If you don't go to resorts, no one will tell you what to do about piercings.

Most nudists find genital piercings contrary to the spirit of non-sexual public nudity. If that somebody is a resort owner, you don't get to go inside his resort.

I know that some people don't mean to send the message that they are sexual perverts by the fact that they want to show off their pierced genitalia in a family nudist camp, but it's kinda like a man with a swastika tattoo on his forehead demanding admission to a synagogue and being angry that people take offense at his tattoo. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><font color="red"
While you are are entitled to find genital piercing repundiant and replusive that is your your opinion and I respect it! I'm dismayed that you see anyone with a genital piercicing as a sexual prevert or exhitionist or a wack-job.I'm none of the above!! Nor are the people I know who are "pierced" I find we are normal resonsible people. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif If you look I'm sure you will find the same!!!!!!!!!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ---Normal resonsible people who just happen to have a genital piercing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>BULLS--T

[RIVERRAT]

chocoate, I really dissagre, all piercing does is draw attention to the piercing, hence look at my genitals they're pierced arn't they beautiful, look at this gourguios half caret stud where could I show it off better than my breasts or my clitoris, only at a nudist park or resort, I say it's trashing the nudist lifestye.

[GO AWAY]

DAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

[skyclad85]

Genital piercing is, IMO, a personal choice. I don't really care if a nudist has a piercing (or two or more) or none at all.

My personal choice is - thanks, but no thanks. First it looks like it really hurts to have done, and I am a wussie when it comes to pain. Yes, I admit it! If the doctor tells me that an injection is going to hurt I tell him, no it's not, cause first you gotta catch me and I can run pretty FAST!! LOL

Second, it just looks weird and very unattractive to me.

I also think that nudism is about living your life in a natural state of existence, and I think piercings are contrary to that idea. The only things I have pierced are my ear lobes (one hole per) simply because I can not take the pain of clip-on earrings. My view may be a bit on the extreme side, but I think it's OK as long as I don't try to impose it on others.

So, like I said, I think it comes down to personal choice, and I wouldn't restrict someone with piercings from a resort.

[GO AWAY]

lol..DOY DAHHHHHHH W/E DUURRRRR

[GO AWAY]

lol...this is funny...LOVE MY PIERCINGS...HAHAHAAA

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
If you don't go to resorts, no one will tell you what to do about piercings.

Most nudists find genital piercings contrary to the spirit of non-sexual public nudity. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Tell me what study or poll you got that statement from.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
If that somebody is a resort owner, you don't get to go inside his resort.

I know that some people don't mean to send the message that they are sexual perverts by the fact that they want to show off their pierced genitalia <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Please explain how a piercing sends a message that they are being a pervert. I have yet to hear a piercing speak. What you need to do is stop posting your obviously biased opinions as if they are facts. It makes you look like a total idiot.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>in a family nudist camp, but it's kinda like a man with a swastika tattoo on his forehead demanding admission to a synagogue and being angry that people take offense at his tattoo. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Terrible comparison.... they have nothing in common at all. Can you post without attempting to piss off as many people as you can? Can you post without making untrue and tragicly exaggerated statements that are demeaning to people?

Try.... try real hard.

[greyhair]

While you are are entitled to find genital piercing repundiant and replusive that is your your opinion and I respect it! I'm dismayed that you see anyone with a genital piercicing as a sexual prevert or exhitionist or a wack-job.I'm none of the above!! Nor are the people I know who are "pierced" I find we are normal resonsible people. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif If you look I'm sure you will find the same!!!!!!!!!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ---Normal resonsible people who just happen to have a genital piercing. [/qb][/QUOTE]BULLS--T [/QB][/QUOTE]

So 'rat, are you saying that the poster is a pervert because he wears a piercing? Do you have knowledge that he is a pervert, or are you basing your claim simply on the fact that he wears a piercing? If a pervert removes his ring, does that make him a non-pervert?

BTW, if you come to Lilly Valley, or any other Canadian club, you will find that many people wear piercings, including my wife.

Oh, and here is something else to consider...
there is a word for people who spend their time staring at other people's genitalia. It's called a gawker.

[greyhair]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cyndiann:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
If you don't go to resorts, no one will tell you what to do about piercings.

Most nudists find genital piercings contrary to the spirit of non-sexual public nudity. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Tell me what study or poll you got that statement from. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>He won't because he can't.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
If that somebody is a resort owner, you don't get to go inside his resort.

I know that some people don't mean to send the message that they are sexual perverts by the fact that they want to show off their pierced genitalia <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Please explain how a piercing sends a message that they are being a pervert. I have yet to hear a piercing speak. What you need to do is stop posting your obviously biased opinions as if they are facts. It makes you look like a total idiot. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I would like to see Trailscout come up to my wife or the 30%+- of the membership of Lilly Valley and tell them that they are perverts.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>in a family nudist camp, but it's kinda like a man with a swastika tattoo on his forehead demanding admission to a synagogue and being angry that people take offense at his tattoo. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Terrible comparison.... they have nothing in common at all. Can you post without attempting to piss off as many people as you can? Can you post without making untrue and tragicly exaggerated statements that are demeaning to people?

Try.... try real hard. [/QUOTE]

He can't. He seems locked into his own tunnelvisioned view of the world. Thankfully, I don't see this sort of attitude in my country.

[greyhair]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by naturistmark1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mj:

Trailscout....who gave you permission to speak for most nudists....looks as if there is only one of ......
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Let's be fair, Trailscout didn't claim to be speaking for anyone.

Most of what he wrote was clearly identified as opinion. He did make one broad statement:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Most nudists find genital piercings contrary to the spirit of non-sexual public nudity. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Which can only be construed as representing his impression of the opinions of those nudists he is familiar with.

I'd have to say I think he is right on. Most of the practising real world (as opposed to online) nudists I've met feel that way too. Many are also very tolerant of it (to each his own, etc.) but I've heard what is said.
-Mark <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Maybe in a backwards country, but I haven't seen that sort of attitude in my own country.
Most of the real world nudists that I know could care less what someone does wrt piercings or tattoos. But then, why would a "real family nudist" be spending his time looking at someone else's genitalia? If you don't like the piercings, stop gawking at them.

[GO AWAY]

Well Said Greyhair...

IF YA DON'T LIKE IT DON'T LOOK...

LOOK AWAY HAVE A GREAT DAY...IT'S NOT YOUR BODY ANYWAY...

HAHAHAHAAHA

[greyhair]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Miami_Newdist:
Well Said Greyhair...

IF YA DON'T LIKE IT DON'T LOOK...

LOOK AWAY HAVE A GREAT DAY...IT'S NOT YOUR BODY ANYWAY...

HAHAHAHAAHA <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Here's a club(fictional) that the "piercings are perversion" crowd would love:

True Family Naturist Park

Established to provide a safe and non-threatening environment for true nudists, True Family Naturist Park will open with the following safeguards to ensure a pure nudist environment:

Members and guests must keep their area of vision above the shoulders. Anyone looking below the shoulders for more than .5 seconds will be removed from the park property. The .5 second rule will enforced by staff members equipped with stop watches. There will be a one to one ratio of staff to members and guests. Staff will accompany members and guests throughout their stay.
To ensure no impure thoughts or bodily changes, all members and guests will be equipped with sensing devices to measure increased blood flow to genitalia. These sensors will be monitored through telemetry by our staff. All members and guests will be equipped with EEG style sensors to detect impure thoughts. These will also be telemetrically monitored by office staff.

According to guidelines established by PRUDE, the national association of true nudists People Regulating Universally Decent Environments, anyone wearing Piercings of any sort will be removed. Our Security staff are empowered to search between the labia for piercings. This is for the ladies protection.

Since staff will not be able to monitor members and guests for compliance when members go to their rooms or tents, all members and guests will report to our onsite clinic for DNA testing each morning and evening to ensure that no swinging or swapping of partners has occured in their rooms or tents. Anyone caught with the wrong DNA in or on their persons will be removed from the park.

We, at Satori Naturist Park, have worked hard to eliminate anything that may have sexual connations. There will be no swings or teeter totters in the children's area. Swings and swinging have sexual connations. Teeter totters with their up and down motion have a sexual link.

Please have your children's DNA samples ready for comparison with your own. In order to prevent any celebration of infidelity or swinging, all children' DNA must match their legal parents. Children with unmatched DNA will be removed and held for pick up by Child Protection Service personnel and the parents will be stoned for indecency.

Music will be strictly regulated. No playing of Jimmy or Tommy Dorsey music or any other music of the Big Band/Swing era will be permitted. No playing of any Brian Setzer music will be permitted.

Dances: At the True Family Naturist Park, dances are an important part of the social atmosphere. In order that we preserve the family nature of the park, the dances will be monitored by staff. Staff monitors will carry rulers to measure the gap between dancing partners. This gap must be a minimum of 10 inches to prevent accidental contact. Holding your partner in a face to face, body to body position is prohibited. Please maintain a position of left hip opposite your partner's right hip.
Dance music will be limited to non-stimulating music. Pat Boone is as wild as we permit.

We hope you will enjoy the freedom that comes with being a pure and true nudist.

Your Hosts at True Family Naturist Park,
Ward and June Cleaver

[Trailscout]

Greyhair,

I think you insult the people of Canada by assuming that they share your support of swinging (also known as marital infidelity) and by assuming that they are so naive as to infer no sexual meaning to the sadistic practice of inserting pieces of metal into one's genitals.

I prefer to assume that Canadian nudists generally are good wholesome family people, faithful to their marriage vows and I am sure that most see no need to wear sexual adornments in public, but keep that side of their lives private.

Your fictitious nudist resort was an amusing fable, but that's all. Many nudist resorts are doing a fine job keeping inappropriate jewelry out without intruding into the private moments of their guests' lives. After all, the gruesome jewelry is on display for all to see. No need to spy on the guest to find it.

[greyhair]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
Greyhair,

I think you insult the people of Canada by assuming that they share your support of swinging (also known as marital infidelity) and by assuming that they are so naive as to infer no sexual meaning to the sadistic practice of inserting pieces of metal into one's genitals.

I prefer to assume that Canadian nudists generally are good wholesome family people, faithful to their marriage vows and I am sure that most see no need to wear sexual adornments in public, but keep that side of their lives private.

Your fictitious nudist resort was an amusing fable, but that's all. Many nudist resorts are doing a fine job keeping inappropriate jewelry out without intruding into the private moments of their guests' lives. After all, the gruesome jewelry is on display for all to see. No need to spy on the guest to find it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Sorry to bring reality into your world, but there are swingers in most of the clubs in Canada. They go about their business discreetly and quietly and cause no harm to the clubs or the members.
BTW, I take offense at your statement that I support swinging. I neither support it nor condemn it. I don't have the monstrous ego to assume that I have a right to decide what activity is right or wrong for other adults to engage in.

Our club management, as with most in Canada, says that he is not there to play "moral cop" and so long as people confine their sexual activities to their own quarters, it is no one's business what goes on in private.

As for the jewelry, I know of no clubs in Canada that forbid the wearing of piercings. At our local club, around 30% of the membership have piercings and/or tattoos. Interestingly enough, the most active swingers in the club do not have either piercings nor tattoos. My wife, who does have nipple rings, finds it laughable although sad that someone who has never met her can believe that they have the ability to discern her moral character simply by how she chooses to adorn her body.

I have seen you post that wearing piercings is morally wrong. I would recommend that before you start throwing words like "Moral" around, that you take some time to learn a bit of moral philosophy. I recommend that you pick up a copy of Moral Matters by Professor Jan Narveson of University of Waterloo.

Excerpted "What, then, does one mean by saying that some act is morally wrong? We have distinguished three components.

1. One disapproves of the doing it oneself.
2. One thinks that everybody else should also dissaprove and refrain from it - in short, that there ought to be a( if there isn't already) a social rule against it.
3. One thinks that there is a good reason why(2) should be the case - a good reason, then, from the point of view of everybody, not just oneself."


3 is obviously the sticking point, since to make something immoral, one would have to justify their case by proving everyone else that the "action" is harmful to others or society in general.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
Greyhair,

I think you insult the people of Canada by assuming that they share your support of swinging (also known as marital infidelity) and by assuming that they are so naive as to infer no sexual meaning to the sadistic practice of inserting pieces of metal into one's genitals. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I think you insult swingers by assuming they can't be competent parents. You have no knowledge of what a competent marriage is about nor do you personally know enough swingers to judge them and it is totally obvious that you don't konw enough about piercings. It is totally socially acceptable to pierce ears in this society and nobody calls them masochistic (the right term, not sadistic) for having that done. You seem so confused... perhaps you should stick to topics you know about.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
I prefer to assume that Canadian nudists generally are good wholesome family people, faithful to their marriage vows and I am sure that most see no need to wear sexual adornments in public, but keep that side of their lives private.

Your fictitious nudist resort was an amusing fable, but that's all. Many nudist resorts are doing a fine job keeping inappropriate jewelry out without intruding into the private moments of their guests' lives. After all, the gruesome jewelry is on display for all to see. No need to spy on the guest to find it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Definition time....

troll-
An electronic mail message, Usenet posting or other
(electronic) communication which is intentionally incorrect,
but not overtly controversial (compare flame bait), or the
act of sending such a message. Trolling aims to elicit an
emotional reaction from those with a hair-trigger on the reply
key. A really subtle troll makes some people lose their
minds.

flame-
An insulting criticism or remark meant to incite anger, as on a computer network.
To rant, to speak or write incessantly and/or
rabidly on some relatively uninteresting subject or with a
patently ridiculous attitude or with hostility towards a
particular person or group of people. "Flame" is used as a
verb ("Don't flame me for this, but..."), a flame is a single
flaming message, and "flamage" /flay'm*j/ the content.

[Dave M.]

I see Trailscout is still posting FALSE, DEFAMATORY, INACCURATE, ABUSIVE, VULAR ,HATEFUL ,HARRASSING , AND SEXULLY ORIENTEDcomments here. /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif HOW SHAMEFULL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif If Trailscout is going to make these kind of post he should GO!!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif After reading his post on these boards makes me wonder has he found an easy legal way to spread his HATE AND BIGOTRY?? /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

[greyhair]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dave M.:
I see Trailscout is still posting FALSE, DEFAMATORY, INACCURATE, ABUSIVE, VULAR ,HATEFUL ,HARRASSING , AND SEXULLY ORIENTEDcomments here. /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif HOW SHAMEFULL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif If Trailscout is going to make these kind of post he should GO!!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif After reading his post on these boards makes me wonder has he found an easy legal way to spread his HATE AND BIGOTRY?? /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Note that he "prefers to assume" In other words, he really has no interest in what is really happening in the world, but would rather dwell in a fantasy world right out of 50's era family sitcoms. I am quite happy that I have never run into anyone like Trailscout in a Canadian nudist club or on a beach in Canada. Please tell me that his type is a rare bird in the U.S.A.

[Dave M.]

A /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif rare bird but all to common /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[Trailscout]

Greyhair,

If you have insider information on swinging at all Canadian resorts, they they must not be that discreet. It is presumptuous to assume that it does no harm. Their prescence slanders the reputation of family nudism, their behavior risks the spread of social diseases, disturbs the fabric of families and is an abomination in the sight of God.

Moral neutrality is impossible in the face of this sexualization of nudity. You have made yourself the friend of home wreckers and have slandered the name of nudism by your acquiescence and ambivalence.

I have to laugh at your trendy refusal to adopt moral values of even the most basic sort. Even a little enlightened pragmatism would lead an astute resort owner to keep the freaks from coming in to a good family resort.

If your assertion is true, I pity your club manager's decision to ignore blatant immorality by claiming that as long as he doesn't "see" it it didn't happen. It is absurd that you try to extrapolate the behavior at your swinger/sex club to that of all Canadian nudism.

While I deplore all piercings and tattoos as anti-nudist in effect if not sentiment, the particular concern of this thread is sexual jewelry. Your survey sounds contrived, but even if true, it simply proves that you frequent a sex club that claims to be nudist and that the patronage seems to be evenly divided between exhibitionist sadists and people who have abandoned all respect for love, chastity, marital fidelity and moral decency and apparently your resort manager finds it profitable to claim that this den of iniquity is a nudist venue.

Some character traits are hidden and some we wear on our sleeves or in some cases nipples. I have no problem condemning disfiguring ornaments, particularly those that are on the genitals, but to a lesser extent the nipples because of they are not randomly placed, but are deliberately positioned to send a sexual invitation to all who see it.

Other non-genital piercings are generally ill-advised for health reasons and may indicate a lack of respect for the nude human body. I have no criticism of ear rings in women, but I feel sorry for women who feel that they need them in order to be beautiful.

[greyhair]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
Greyhair,

If you have insider information on swinging at all Canadian resorts, they they must not be that discreet. It is presumptuous to assume that it does no harm. Their prescence slanders the reputation of family nudism, their behavior risks the spread of social diseases, disturbs the fabric of families and is an abomination in the sight of God. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Actually they are discreet. I know of many people who do swing, but not at the clubs. How do I know them? I communicate(talk) to them and them to me. Because I am neutral on the subject, they feel free to open up. A skill known as active listening.

Please provide proof that swinging spreads social diseases and "disturbs the fabric of the family".
I must admit that the sheets on the bed would be disturbed by two couples swinging, but they are also disturbed by a "wholesome christian" couple when they engage in sex. So I fail to see your complaint. And who is God? I fail to see what a fictional deity has to do with the actions of consenting adults.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Moral neutrality is impossible in the face of this sexualization of nudity. You have made yourself the friend of home wreckers and have slandered the name of nudism by your acquiescence and ambivalence. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>How are they home wreckers? Several of the swingers that I know have long time stable marriages. One couple recently celebrated their 25th anniversary with a renewal of their vows in a lovely backyard ceremony. The party was made up of textiles and nudists. As for slandering nudism, I would rather tell the truth, than lie about reality.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I have to laugh at your trendy refusal to adopt moral values of even the most basic sort. Even a little enlightened pragmatism would lead an astute resort owner to keep the freaks from coming in to a good family resort. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>What moral values am I lacking? I do no harm to my neighbours. Why would an owner turn away paying members who cause no harm?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> If your assertion is true, I pity your club manager's decision to ignore blatant immorality by claiming that as long as he doesn't "see" it it didn't happen. It is absurd that you try to extrapolate the behavior at your swinger/sex club to that of all Canadian nudism.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Sounds like you are lashing out at reality. Sorry but the management is quite right in not interfering with mature consenting adults.
BTW, our club has many families and is not a sex club. I am sorry that you lack the maturity to engage in debate on this subject.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> While I deplore all piercings and tattoos as anti-nudist in effect if not sentiment, the particular concern of this thread is sexual jewelry. Your survey sounds contrived, but even if true, it simply proves that you frequent a sex club that claims to be nudist and that the patronage seems to be evenly divided between exhibitionist sadists and people who have abandoned all respect for love, chastity, marital fidelity and moral decency and apparently your resort manager finds it profitable to claim that this den of iniquity is a nudist venue. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The survey is based on the number of people that wear piercings and that are members of the club.
Your baseless claim that the club is a sex club is nonsense and reveals your self-righteous bombast that is based on intolerance and xenophobia. Amazing how you can discern a lack of love and decency without meeting the individuals.
Playing "Ghod" are you?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Some character traits are hidden and some we wear on our sleeves or in some cases nipples. I have no problem condemning disfiguring ornaments, particularly those that are on the genitals, but to a lesser extent the nipples because of they are not randomly placed, but are deliberately positioned to send a sexual invitation to all who see it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Have you asked my wife if her intent is to send a sexual invitation?
Why do you wish to slander people you have not met?
I am quite glad that I have never met anyone so intolerant, boorish and lacking of morality as you in Canada. Lacking in morality, you ask? You are acting immorally when you cast aspersions on people based on their appearance and body decor. Seeing the worst in them without getting to know them. Methinks I have run across a hypocrite.

Since you claim to be a christian, may I direct your attention to your saviour's statements on judging others?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Other non-genital piercings are generally ill-advised for health reasons and may indicate a lack of respect for the nude human body. I have no criticism of ear rings in women, but I feel sorry for women who feel that they need them in order to be beautiful. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Properly cleaned and using good hygiene piercings cause little health risk. Perhaps you are basing your reasoning on your own standard of personal hygiene, in which case, a piercing may cause you risks.

You do seem to enjoy making erroneous assumptions. That pierced women *need* piercings to feel beautiful. That is not the case. Perhaps you should abstain from assuming things and gain knowledge before making statements. This will enable you to speak from a factual basis rather than coming across as an ill-informed opinionated no-nothing.

[greyhair]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dave M.:
A /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif rare bird but all to common /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Is it something in the water or the upbringing?
Hmmm, nature or nurture? /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Hey Greyhair how obvious can it be why this guy is single? LOL!

Trailscout says
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>You have made yourself the friend of home wreckers and have slandered the name of nudism by your acquiescence and ambivalence. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It seems to me that the swingers are the honest ones, not going out behind the spouse's back and having sex. I was just at a remarriage of some swinger friends...ten years and going strong, they raised 9 kids together (all born before these two met). Because sex is discussed and fantasies fulfilled there is no cheating and life is never boring. All the children are mentally healthy and now making their way out into the world. I don't understand how a child can be traumatized by their parent's sexlife anyway... it isn't like they share that with the kids.

[greyhair]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cyndiann:
Hey Greyhair how obvious can it be why this guy is single? LOL! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Trailscout says
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>You have made yourself the friend of home wreckers and have slandered the name of nudism by your acquiescence and ambivalence. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It seems to me that the swingers are the honest ones, not going out behind the spouse's back and having sex. I was just at a remarriage of some swinger friends...ten years and going strong, they raised 9 kids together (all born before these two met). Because sex is discussed and fantasies fulfilled there is no cheating and life is never boring. All the children are mentally healthy and now making their way out into the world. I don't understand how a child can be traumatized by their parent's sexlife anyway... it isn't like they share that with the kids. [/QUOTE]


All the swinging couples that I know have long time marriages(most over 15 years)and are quite happy. Their children are uninvolved, as they should be...and thus no traumatic experience for the kids.

When it comes to worrying about attacks on nudism from the religious Reich, people like Mark Foley and Pat Robertson are minor worries compared to the Reich members within the lifestyle.

[Bob S.]

greyhair, way to go! It's an interesting debate that pits facts vs. opinion.

cyndiann, children can be traumatized in relation to their parents' sex life. Have you ever thoght about your parents having sex? /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif It's just too traumatic to think of. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Bob S.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bob S.:
greyhair, way to go! It's an interesting debate that pits facts vs. opinion.

cyndiann, children can be traumatized in relation to their parents' sex life. Have you ever thoght about your parents having sex? /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif It's just too traumatic to think of. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Bob S. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well yeah Bob... I thought it was gross but I certainly wasn't traumatized. And it was just a thought... I didn't actually see or take part in my parent's sexlife and neither did the kids of the couple I know.

[Trailscout]

Resorts that allow sexual piercing and look the other way, "wink, wink, nudge nudge" at swinging seem to confirm the "nudist colonies are sex clubs" preconception in the minds of those who don't know that every place that calls itself nudist is not necessarily nudist.

Thankfully, sincere Christians and people of other faiths who believe in wholesome family nudity need not subject themselves to Sodom and Gomorrah II. There are still good camps aplenty that do their utmost to provide non-sexual family recreation and root out sexual perversion whenever it rears its ugly head.

I encourage monogamous couples to look for these camps with high standards, to shun the camps that don't hold nudist family values and I urge them to fight to help make AANR the society it ought to be and thus bequeath wholesome nudist venues for our children to enjoy in the future.

[greyhair]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
Resorts that allow sexual piercing and look the other way, "wink, wink, nudge nudge" at swinging seem to confirm the "nudist colonies are sex clubs" preconception in the minds of those who don't know that every place that calls itself nudist is not necessarily nudist. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>More opinion? Why not use facts? Are you afraid of being factual? Why did you duck every issue raised? No courage to support your convictions?

You have yet, despite many posts from people, to show proof that piercings are sexually oriented.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Thankfully, sincere Christians and people of other faiths who believe in wholesome family nudity need not subject themselves to Sodom and Gomorrah II. There are still good camps aplenty that do their utmost to provide non-sexual family recreation and root out sexual perversion whenever it rears its ugly head. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The only sexual perversion that I can recall reading about was in one of those "family camps".
See "Crocus Grove" where a good family club had a molestor as a member for several years.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
I encourage monogamous couples to look for these camps with high standards, to shun the camps that don't hold nudist family values and I urge them to fight to help make AANR the society it ought to be and thus bequeath wholesome nudist venues for our children to enjoy in the future. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>BTW, the AANR isn't the only organisation that represents nudity.

Of course, you still haven't shown how sex between consenting adults is perverse or morally wrong. Care to use facts and proof, rather than mere unsubstantiated opinion?

I know it is difficult, but if you really struggle, you can do it.

Oh, here is something to think about. Take a look at the INA "recommended clubs and resorts" list. Do you believe that every club on that list is a wholesome family-value type place?

[greyhair]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bob S.:
greyhair, way to go! It's an interesting debate that pits facts vs. opinion. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>There is no debate. Debate is only possible when both sides can respond to points raised in the arguments. So far, Trailscout seems to be avoiding responding to the points raised by making generalized speeches about something he refers to as family values.

[greyhair]

Trailscout said"
"It is absurd that you try to extrapolate the behavior at your swinger/sex club to that of all Canadian nudism."

When challenged to explain how the actions of consenting adults done in private make a club a sex club, Trailscout ducked out.

Trailscout claims in response to the fact that my wife is pierced in the nipples:
"Some character traits are hidden and some we wear on our sleeves or in some cases nipples. I have no problem condemning disfiguring ornaments, particularly those that are on the genitals, but to a lesser extent the nipples because of they are not randomly placed, but are deliberately positioned to send a sexual invitation to all who see it."

When challenged to show how he determines her intent, Trailscout again ducks out.

Just about everything that has been challenged, Trailscout refuses to respond to.

Does he only post to throw insults at people he has never met or does he really believe that he has been endowed with a god-like ability to discern people's motivations and character from afar?

[Prometheus]

Trailscout, you can believe whatever you want /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif but let me ask you this:

When you meet someone at a nudist resort who has a piercing/tattoo/whatever that you disapprove of, do you walk up to them and start preaching your beliefs to them? Call them a pervert? Ask them to take it off? Report them to the resort staff? Does anyone pay attention to you if you do?

My above question makes me wonder how often you have really encountered these things that offend you so much. In my experience, it is easy to condemn something when you don't know anyone who does it. On the other hand, most people don't have the guts to condemn someone they know for the same behavior.

Trailscout, I think you (and several others) are emboldened by the anonymity of the internet, and that you type things you would not say within earshot of those you criticize. To be fair, lots of us do this. I'm sure I am not completely innocent myself. But I would like to see everyone make an effort to only type things they would say if the other person was in the room with them.

[GO AWAY]

AND THE AWARD GOES TO...PROMETHEUS

[johny]

RE:
""So what is genital piercing about? Can someone explain it to us who are unpierced?""

The mildest forms for man is frenulum piercing as mine. If uncut it may be in the loose flap near the back of head, or if cut it is situated bit farer from head but underside anyhow. After healing period it never is painy or only many kilograms of force happen to be able to crush skin. Piercing process is made by motion of pushing/pulling not the cutting so nerve endings may not be damaged of course, as only exclusion the total unluckness and dumb piercer. If the jewellry inserted is small enough and not contains a screwed balls wich may unexpectedly unscrew, it is no disturbing to sex at all. Even contrary, it touches inside of woman somewhere to make feelings better. Bigger jewellry may be easily removed before sex, so only question remains is - do such jewellry is esthetic or no.

Fashion never have space for debattes, and youngsters walking with piercings isnt that much better comparing if they would misconsume drugs etc. Human are free to do everything and I cant find nothing wrong with piercings even in the case of piece of "manhood" generally.

More badly are piercings in uretra or head, I have feeling it may damage something. The same about sack. But even if someone has does it, how this may offend ME (or someone else)? Its not mine, He is not me, and he is a free person with free will.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by greyhair:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bob S.:
greyhair, way to go! It's an interesting debate that pits facts vs. opinion. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>There is no debate. Debate is only possible when both sides can respond to points raised in the arguments. So far, Trailscout seems to be avoiding responding to the points raised by making generalized speeches about something he refers to as family values. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Truly there is no debate. We have Trailscout on one side slinging insults and everyone else presenting facts. He's been ducking my posts too, because he doesn't have answers. He can't back up his statements. His only desire in this thread has been to inflame logical minded people with his childish antics.

[tarsus]

i have a question. what does swinging have to do with genital piercing?
and now my nickels worth. why does a woman wear six inch heels? why do most women and a growing number of men remove body hair? wear make up
push up bras, sheers, and spend a fortune on hair products?? and men mostly: wear suits that can cost thousands? to be noticed thats why. why would anyone pierce anywhere??? same thing. i wore earring in the late 60s, early 70s. but now
everyone does it so whats the point? i do not swing,i like canada, and i go to resorts that allow singles,and have been married twice.
and those piercing? just another way for the fashion industery to make money. don't belive it?
look at the clothing ads geared at young people.
ron

[Dave M.]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tarsus:
i have a question. what does swinging have to do with genital piercing?
and now my nickels worth. why does a woman wear six inch heels? why do most women and a growing number of men remove body hair? wear make up
push up bras, sheers, and spend a fortune on hair products?? and men mostly: wear suits that can cost thousands? to be noticed thats why. why would anyone pierce anywhere??? same thing. i wore earring in the late 60s, early 70s. but now
everyone does it so whats the point? i do not swing,i like canada, and i go to resorts that allow singles,and have been married twice.
and those piercing? just another way for the fashion industery to make money. don't belive it?
look at the clothing ads geared at young people.
ron <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Who knows after all this is Trailscouts fairy-tale from his home /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif fairy-land. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[mj]

I have been so proud of myself for not saying anything for awhile. It seems as if circumstances have forced me to reevaluate my silence. It appears to me a certain individual has found yet another forum to espouse his brand of Christianity and prove his ignorance. It appears this individual has still not learned to do any reserach and base his opinion on fact and still engages in the same type of behavior he engaged in on the other forum. (By the way, what happened to that forum?) Fellow posters,we have several options regarding this individual. First option, respond to his ranting and raving...there by giving him more fuel for his fire (flames). Another option and this is the one I personally prefer, ignore him. For those of us who have kids....remember sometimes ignoring a behavior caused it to extinguish...or go away. Maybe, just maybe if, we ignore such a poster it will go away. I realize it may take some time and patience and tongue biting and keeping our collective fingers off the keyboard. I feel this latter option may be the best to pursue in this situation.

I know I said it in another thread but it still holds true...opinions based on fact are just that opinions. Not based on fact and research is prejudice....and we all know prejudice is dangerous.

[mj]

My opinion on genital piercings has not changed. I proudly sport my five where ever I go, and when ever I happen to get nakey.

My first genital was a frenum, on the bottom side of my penis, just below the head. I was not happy with the placement, so immediately re-did it positioning it where I wanted. I also have another frenum on the top of my penis, just at the corona, or the ridge. My last genital, and I really don't know if it is a genital, is a pubic, right at the base of my penis. My latest piercing is a scrotal, at the base of my scrotum.

My piercings were not done for sexual reasons or to increase pleasure for a partner. I am married, but my wife is disabled. We have not had sex for several years. I did the piercings for a variety of personal reasons. I have found though they do increase my pleasure. Heaven forbid if a certain poster reads this he will condemn me again...not just for the piercings but for masturbation too.

Hey fellow posters.....maintain an open attitude towards all....and accept all....no matter what our differences. Closed minds never get played with and challenged and exercised, and consequently never have a chance to grow and experience new things. Maybe we should feel pity for them...they do not become strong.

BTW, piercings done by a competent trained piercer should not damage any nerve endings or cause any major problems. Proper care should take care of things. BTW, the only piercing I ever had any problem with was an ear, done by a gun. If you are curious about piercings and the procedures, and personal experiences I recommend the following site: www.bmezine.com (http://www.bmezine.com) the site has plenty of information for the initiated and the unintiated. Happy browsing and I hope you learn something if you check the site out.

[Dave M.]

MJ bought up kids so I bring this up -some times removing from the situation is the best solution and gets the point across best.

[Bob S.]

Trailscout, couples have sex at nudist camps all of the time. They just do it in private. Are you sure that your park isn't home to a swinger? Can you be sure that anyone you meet is not a swinger? Keep in mind that Theologians have interpreted the Bible in ways that limit the specific ways that a couple can have sex. Are those who are guilty of performing other positions from the Kama Sutra also immoral?

I actually agree with you somewhat that swinging is just not right. But that's just me. I wouldn't even dare to condemn others who do it unless they are affecting me personally.

Realize that you are taking the same side as the textiles take in their view of nudism in the argument of GPs. You see the GPs as something sexual, even if they are not meant to be. Textiles see nudity as sexual, even if it is not meant to be. You feel that in a family-friendly setting, no one should be wearing GPs. Textiles feel that in a family-friendly setting, clothes should be worn. You believe there is a moral issue in having GPs. Textiles feel there is a moral issue in staying clothed. You, my friend, seem to be a textilic-minded nudist.

Bob S.

Good post Bob!

Too bad it's wasted on someone that won't understand it.

[greyhair]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bob S.:
Trailscout, couples have sex at nudist camps all of the time. They just do it in private. Are you sure that your park isn't home to a swinger? Can you be sure that anyone you meet is not a swinger? Keep in mind that Theologians have interpreted the Bible in ways that limit the specific ways that a couple can have sex. Are those who are guilty of performing other positions from the Kama Sutra also immoral?
/QUOTE]
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>

The reason our club has no problems with our swinging members, is that it is a small club, and the members all know each other quite well. There are members who don't approve of swinging, and there are members who don't disapprove of swinging but are not interested in swinging.
So long as there is no overt sexual activity, none of the members have any problem. Overt sexual activity would and has brought condemnation from both the swingers and non-swingers. This has happened with a young couple(who liked an audience) who were urged to move on, as their behaviour was not appropriate to the membership. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
I actually agree with you somewhat that swinging is just not right. But that's just me. I wouldn't even dare to condemn others who do it unless they are affecting me personally.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>And I agree with you that condemning someone who is not doing anything that affects you personally would be wrong. Personally, I have no interest in what other couples do in their own quarters, be it a tent, camper or trailer, so long as they don't do it in the public areas of the camp.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Realize that you are taking the same side as the textiles take in their view of nudism in the argument of GPs. You see the GPs as something sexual, even if they are not meant to be. Textiles see nudity as sexual, even if it is not meant to be. You feel that in a family-friendly setting, no one should be wearing GPs. Textiles feel that in a family-friendly setting, clothes should be worn. You believe there is a moral issue in having GPs. Textiles feel there is a moral issue in staying clothed. You, my friend, seem to be a textilic-minded nudist.

Bob S. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Thank you for pointing this out. I hope that Trailscout will take your post to heart and realise that he is falling into the same arguments that people like Mark Foley etc use to condemn nudism.

[Trailscout]

Bob,

You asked, "Are you sure that your park isn't home to a swinger"? I am sure that there are one or two, but the park has strict rules against it and does their best to create a climate that encourages non-swingers to visit and to join.

I have met a swinger by e-mail and I liked her very much, I just think she has a self-destructive lifestyle. I will never identify her. I would rather lie and say that I am a swinger than break her trust in my confidence by calling her out. I hope she will stop this behavior before she catches VD or something, but people get stubborn after a certain age.

Changing the subject to reply to your other questions:
Theologians with an agenda can interpret the Bible to their own destruction. I have no use for them.

I don't see why you are so reluctant to condemn bad behavior. I don't want any evasive answers from an M.D. who is evaluating my health. I want the honest straight blunt truth. Why is it so hard to tell the truth to other people? Oh I realize that this is limited to trusted friends. What idiot would fight moral battles all day with people too hardheaded to listen. Hmmm. That would be me! I try not to!

You are so hopelessly wrong about the GP issue. This stuff is a form of clothing, something we do because nude is not good enough. And there is no way someone is going to stick a needle attached to a gaudy bauble through the most sensitive part of his body (to the exclusion of all other body parts) if he wasn't a "look at the sparkly thing on the end of my penis" exhibitionist.

I have to laugh at how indignantly they try to deny their perverse exhibitionism. Methinks they protest too much.

[greyhair]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
Bob,

You asked, "Are you sure that your park isn't home to a swinger"? I am sure that there are one or two, but the park has strict rules against it and does their best to create a climate that encourages non-swingers to visit and to join.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>How does the park's rules work that they can prevent swinging? Do they restrict who can enter campers, tents or RV's? If CoupleA invites CoupleB inside their RV, does management do "no knock" searches to see if the two couples are swinging or innocently play Pinochle?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
I don't see why you are so reluctant to condemn bad behavior. I don't want any evasive answers from an M.D. who is evaluating my health.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>But it isn't your health or values that is of concern. The swingers and piercers are consenting adults, who can make up their own minds what is best for them.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Why is it so hard to tell the truth to other people? Oh I realize that this is limited to trusted friends. What idiot would fight moral battles all day with people too hardheaded to listen. Hmmm. That would be me! I try not to!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Why is it so hard for you to refrain from trying to run other people's lives. Did the swingers or piercers request that you direct their lives?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
You are so hopelessly wrong about the GP issue. This stuff is a form of clothing, something we do because nude is not good enough. And there is no way someone is going to stick a needle attached to a gaudy bauble through the most sensitive part of his body (to the exclusion of all other body parts) if he wasn't a "look at the sparkly thing on the end of my penis" exhibitionist.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Playing Ghod again, Trailscout? Again you indulge in determining what other people are thinking.
BTW, you are wrong when you state that "to the exclusion of all other body parts". Most piercers have other piercings as well as their genitalia piercings. This is just another example of you posting in ignorance. I realise that "ignorance is bliss" but try reality sometime, it isn't that bad.

[GO AWAY]

You GO GREYHAIR...

TAKE IT HIGHER...

LOL

[Bob S.]

I apologize if any of this is a repeat of what greyhair said, but well, it can't be helped. He did a great job.

Trailscout, remind me again what nudist park you frequent. And either provide the URL for it or post the specific rule that bans swinging in the privacy of a cabin or a zipped tent.

I will condemn any and all behaviour that will have a negative effect on me or is hurtful to someone else. That would encompass most behaviours where there is a real victim. All other issues I will debate (if I choose to) with others who want to debate. I reserve condemnation to those who deserve it; those who hurt others willfully and callously.

And you can disagree with another's behaviour without condemning them or the behaviour. Again, I am against swinging in my relationships and may use the swinging aspect of their life to lower them a notch or two on my own morality scale that I use to determine who I want to have as a friend, but that is only one part of the scale. In college, my friends included a self-proclaimed Satanist who shop-lifted and smoked marijuana with another of our friends. They were friends with the "dealer" who worked with campus security and had access to the vending machines, which he sometimes stole money from.

They may not seem to be the cream of the crop, but the first two were really great friends of mine because they were so loyal and accepting. I didn't agree with some of their choices, but I also didn't condemn them for it.

I am going to vehemently take issue with your sweeping condemnation of my opinions. "You are so hopelessly wrong about the GP issue." I have never told you that your opinion is wrong. I will instead debate the issue with my own opinion while respecting your beliefs. And you know what? Sometimes people just put a ring on their penis because they want to. Not because they want others to look at their penis, not because they are sexually charged, not because they want to enhance their sexual experiences, but because they see the penis as just another muscle, another body part that has no more importance than the navel, nose, earlobe, nipple, or tongue.

Bob S.

[GO AWAY]

KEEP EM COMING...

I'M SO EXCITED

[mj]

I know what I said.......but here I am.

So TS is gonna lie....doesn't he know you can go to hell just as easy for lying as for stealing? What happened to our Christian morals.....do we put them on only to condemn and judge others?
Morals are morals and are a 24/7 thing...not to be used only when we want!!!!!!!! For shame to lie....What happened to Christian values?

Agendas...I think someone has one.....to push his opinion as "gospel".

"Bad behavior" who are you to judge "bad"? Who died and put you in charge.....you have no right to judge. Remember once we start to judge we have the responsiblity of being perfect, awesome responsibility isn't it? I know I am not perfect....and do not judge others. It is not in my job description as a human being. I do not try to be a demi-god, or is that demagogue.

Checkout the definition of clothing in your dictionary....that is if you have one. There is a difference between jewelry and clothing. Did we fail to do our research again?

Bob S. I agree whole heartedly with your last paragraph.

"A rose is a rose is a rose" To paraphrase..."A penis is a penis is a penis", nothing more...nothing less. Just a hunk of flesh guys have...and if a guy wants to decorate it.....it is his prerogative. By the way....why are we always going on about guys with pierced genitals....there are lots of females out there with pierced genitals also. Personally, having a pierced penis...I would not really notice or care if a female has her genitals pierced. After all, it is hers to do with as she pleases, and if she chooses to decorate it....it is her business, not mine.

Lastly, If you are going to quote someone....get the quote right...or are you too lazy to do your research....why am I not suprised.

[greyhair]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mj:
I know what I said.......but here I am.

Checkout the definition of clothing in your dictionary....that is if you have one. There is a difference between jewlery and clothing. Did we fail to do our research again?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I wonder if TS includes wedding bands and engagement rings as "clothing" that should be banned from nudist clubs? Crucifixes?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I don't see why you are so reluctant to condemn bad behavior. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You haven't even proven that it really is bad behavior to begin with. Facts.... I want factual evidence.

I've asked you several times to back up your statements with facts and you always duck me.

I think you are scared to try....

[tidoublegerpb4]

Trailscout,

It's un-BEEEE-lievable how faulty your logic is. Seriously. I've tried to avoid chiming in on this, but I mean, if it's going to go on forever, then I might just as well get in my 2 cents.

FIRST, in regards to genital piercing, you have stated that you would prefer the clubs you go to to not allow genital piercing and would like it if beaches could make similar restrictions (I'm paraphrasing). And now you are stating that part of the reason that you're against it is because you view it as another piece of clothing. By that logic, you would feel that people with their ears pierced are also just trying to cover up more. Also, they would be conducting more forms of body mutliation.

THEN, there's the issue of body shaving. More paraphrasing here, you're against that as well due in part to the fact that it's exhibitionism as well as another form of body shame. By that logic, any one who gets a hair cut or shaves daily is a facial exhibitionist in addition to being ashamed of his true facial features by shaving.

And on both counts, you can't claim societal norms, because, I hate to break this to you, nudism isn't a societal norm. In addition, there are FAR MORE instances in the Bible stating that shaving and cuting of hair is against God than genital shaving and piercing.

I'm with Cyn on this one. You have to state the facts and have an arguement with fewer holes if you don't want to appear to just be close minded.

In my opinion, be proud of who you are and celebrate your body's beauty. Respect others and their individuality. And be happy being nude!

[Bartamus]

Folks let's all remember what this thread was about..Genital piercing.
It has nothing to do with religion. Those that
love discussing religious beliefs on every subject can please go to the religion and naturism thread
Thank You
The Mgt.

[GO AWAY]

Right On TIdoubleGrr...

And to the Management guy...the reason is keeps turning into a religious discussion is because TrailScout and others are trying to use the Bible to justify their invalid points...

It's acutally pretty embarrassing to hear the stuff they say, from a so-called CHristian point of view...but if they were true Christians they would know what they are doing is actually against their religion...HELLO THE DEVIL KNOWS THE BIBLE TOO...AND HE ALSO KNOWS HOW TO USE IT OUT OF CONTEXT...GET SOME REAL POINTS...AND STOP TRYING TO HIDE BEHIND RELIGION BECAUSE YOU ARE MAKING THE RELIGION LOOK BAD...

Anyway, not to continue on the subject...POST ON PEOPLE...

LOVE YA ALL LIKE PLAY COUSINS...LOL

PIECES...

J

[Dave M.]

Trailscout---The sparkly things on my penis /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif would like the facts and please stop hidding behind religion /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif My brain would like to know what religion your promoting so I can stay the H-E-L-L away from it !!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Miami_Newdist:
And to the Management guy...the reason is keeps turning into a religious discussion is because TrailScout and others are trying to use the Bible to justify their invalid points... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Where did Trailscout or anyone else do that in this thread?

I think people are confusing this discussion with others in the religion section.

Trailscout made one(1) ill tempered remark about swinging being an abomination. No Bible quotes, no theology.

I don't think this discussion is serving any purpose any longer. Trailscout has made his position perfectly clear to everyone. His opponents have made their opposition clear. Now it is just both sides sniping back and forth, increasing personal rather than on the points - which have all been made, each side rejecting the other's views.

This is no longer a respectful discourse, it is playground bullying.

-Mark

[Dave M.]

The problem is Trailscout is the bully and that management guy won't do his job and remove and ban Trailscout from the playground as for everyone else they are just defending themselfs or what they know is right. BTW-- this is not the first time this situation has happened!! I guess Trailscout will be till he gets his goal-- to destroy this forum?!!!!!The shame is that management guy is just going to let him and do nothing!!!

[greyhair]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by naturistmark1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Miami_Newdist:
And to the Management guy...the reason is keeps turning into a religious discussion is because TrailScout and others are trying to use the Bible to justify their invalid points... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Where did Trailscout or anyone else do that in this thread?

I think people are confusing this discussion with others in the religion section.

Trailscout made one(1) ill tempered remark about swinging being an abomination. No Bible quotes, no theology.

I don't think this discussion is serving any purpose any longer. Trailscout has made his position perfectly clear to everyone. His opponents have made their opposition clear. Now it is just both sides sniping back and forth, increasing personal rather than on the points - which have all been made, each side rejecting the other's views.

This is no longer a respectful discourse, it is playground bullying.

-Mark <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>May I quote a portion of a TrailScout post in this thread, where he comments on clubs that allow piercings?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Thankfully, sincere Christians and people of other faiths who believe in wholesome family nudity need not subject themselves to Sodom and Gomorrah II. There are still good camps aplenty that do their utmost to provide non-sexual family recreation and root out sexual perversion whenever it rears its ugly head. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Looks to me like he is bringing in religion and making the statement that any club or camp that doesn't meet up with his personal view is "Sodom and Gomorrah II"

Since you seem to understand the boy, could you tell us why he fails to back up any of his statements when asked to prove something?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dave M.:
The problem is Trailscout is the bully and that management guy won't do his job and remove and ban Trailscout from the playground as for everyone else they are just defending themselfs or what they know is right. BTW-- this is not the first time this situation has happened!! I guess Trailscout will be till he gets his goal-- to destroy this forum?!!!!!The shame is that management guy is just going to let him and do nothing!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Great post dude! /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by naturistmark1:


I don't think this discussion is serving any purpose any longer. Trailscout has made his position perfectly clear to everyone. His opponents have made their opposition clear. Now it is just both sides sniping back and forth, increasing personal rather than on the points - which have all been made, each side rejecting the other's views.

This is no longer a respectful discourse, it is playground bullying.

-Mark <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It never was a respectful discourse on Trailscout's side. He's been purposely taking digs at the rest of us for weeks now and the moderators don't do a damned thing about it.

His language is highly inflammatory, using words that hurt intentionally, which is what a troll does.

The moderators are not doing your job by letting him continue to post that way and it hurts this forum to let him post that garbage and not make it very clear to those that peek in here that nudists don't as a rule believe anything like he does.

As long as he posts garbage it is our duty as nudists to make sure the truth is known so people don't get the wrong idea about nudism by believing what he's posted here.

As such, the moderators are the one perpetuating these threads that used to be discussions by allowing Trailscout to continue unchecked.

[mj]

To find facts to support ones opinions means one has to do some basic research. If one cannot use facts to support ones self it looks to me as if one of several things may be occurring....1) basic reserach is not being done for what ever reason, (maybe lazy and not wishing to pursue research, maybe unwilling to face facts counter to ones opinion, or does not know how to do basic research), or 2) unable to find facts to support arguements.

I think when one cannot find facts to support oneself one grasps at straws and instead of appearing intelligent and informed one appears quite the opposite.

I truly think all we are asking is to use, as Joe Friday would say..."Just the facts," to support ones arguements in this forum or any other forum.

I have said it repeatedly....not to base an opinion on facts is prejudice and we know how dangerous prejudgements are and can be. Gosh, do I sound like a broken record, or in todays tech...a scratched cd. (Some say repitition can lead to learning.)

IMHO, I really don't think it, religion, would be discussed so much in this forum if it was not consistently used to support ones opinions. Again....basic reserach is not being done...so fall back on the "crutch". It really saves having to open up ones mind and challenge ones belief systems. Was it Marx or Lenin....and I don't mean Groucho or John who said something to the effect that religion is the opiate of the masses(I am not sure if he meant catholics or not). Maybe we have a steady poster who is steadily drugged? I don't know...was just wondering.

[Dave M.]

Maybe thats why he hides like a coward-no facts just being mean and hatefull /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

[mj]

Hey fellow posters......

I just checked out my play book....there are 10 big plays. They focus on love and respect. Not one of the 10 plays says "Thou Shalt Not Pierce Thy Genitals". I guess that should solve some of the concerns we have here. I guess if it doesn't explicitly say you cannot do something.....it is good to go.

[hw]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cyndiann:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by naturistmark1:


I don't think this discussion is serving any purpose any longer. Trailscout has made his position perfectly clear to everyone. His opponents have made their opposition clear. Now it is just both sides sniping back and forth, increasing personal rather than on the points - which have all been made, each side rejecting the other's views.
This is no longer a respectful discourse, it is playground bullying. -Mark
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It never was a respectful discourse on Trailscout's side. He's been purposely taking digs at the rest of us for weeks now and you don't do a damned thing about it.
You are not doing your job as moderator <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>cyndiann am I missing something here? /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif Is naturistmark one of the moderators here? I thought it was Corky, Corey, and Bartamus. Now I do admit their avatars do look quite a bit alike.......please set the record straight for me and any others who might be confused. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Now for everyone either for or against piercings, it is a matter of choice. "Live and let live", life is too short to get so angry over another person's choice. Everyone have a great evening. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Trailscout]

Bob,

Bart reminded us to confine our discussion to sexual piercings, so I must comply. We can take up the other issues elsewhere.

"I will condemn any and all behaviour that will have a negative effect on me or is hurtful to someone else. That would encompass most behaviours where there is a real victim."
Sexual piercing victimizes all nudists by casting sexual connotations to social nudism. So you would be justified in condemning genital piercing.

"You are so hopelessly wrong about the GP issue." I thought I was specific enough later on in that post. I will explain any ambiguous remarks if you wish.


Bob sez: "Sometimes people just put a ring on their penis because they want to" Not so! Everything is for a reason. It takes a lot of deliberation before you stick a jaggy metal thing in there. And please don't tell me a penis is just another body part. If someone comes up to you and squeezes your hand and smiles is that the same as someone coming up and squeezing your penis and grinning at you?
................................................
I believe the Taelons are among us, so many have the implants already!

[GO AWAY]

SICK SAD LITTLE MAN...

AND THANKS DUDE FOR SHOWING HIM HOW HE BROUGHT RELIGION INTO IT...AND KEPT DOING SO...READ THE WHOLE THING BEFORE YOU START MAKING COMMENTS PEOPLE...

ANYWAY...

I AM OUTTY...
HAHAHAHAAHAA

GET IT GET IT ... GET IT GET IT..OOOO

[Trailscout]

Tidoublegerpb4,

My objective on this thread is not to malign all piercing (I'll do that elsewhere).
I am only willing to address the practice of piercing one's genitals.

Quite a few resorts ban it and with good reason.

It is creates one more hurdle that marginalizes the nudist community from open-minded textiles who are considering our lifestyle.

It really is disgusting, creepy, ugly, offensive, anti-nudist, narcissistic, sexually obsessive, and a waste of time and money.

Again I will be glad to address other body modification issues elsewhere. Sexual jewelry is uniquely perverse and deserves special treatment. Not only that, it is widely banned in nudist resorts.

I can accept your admonition to respect others, but I have to laugh if you think that means respecting their behavior regardless of what they do. Have you ever seen the television show Jacka$$? Do you respect the characters Johnny Knoxville portrays?

[Trailscout]

Miami,

I can tell you disagree with some of what I said, but you haven't really criticized anything in particular so I kinda think you are just blowing smoke

I could use religious arguments but I won't.

Not getting pierced is just common sense.
1. It costs nothing not to do it.
2. You won't get infected by not doing it.
3. Your friends will still love you even if you never get pierced.
4. You will have fewer obstacles to getting admitted to resorts.
5. Our human body is lovely just the way we are born.
6. Security screening at the airport will be a breeze without the metal.

[greyhair]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
Bob,

Bart reminded us to confine our discussion to sexual piercings, so I must comply. We can take up the other issues elsewhere.

"I will condemn any and all behaviour that will have a negative effect on me or is hurtful to someone else. That would encompass most behaviours where there is a real victim."
Sexual piercing victimizes all nudists by casting sexual connotations to social nudism. So you would be justified in condemning genital piercing.
[QB] <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Real victim? Sorry, but that some people choose to see sexual connotations in jewelry does not make it harmful. By your "logic", those conservative textiles that see sexual connotations in simple nudity are thus justified in working to ban nudism because they see it as harmful to the community at large.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>[QB]
Bob sez: "Sometimes people just put a ring on their penis because they want to" Not so! Everything is for a reason. It takes a lot of deliberation before you stick a jaggy metal thing in there. And please don't tell me a penis is just another body part. If someone comes up to you and squeezes your hand and smiles is that the same as someone coming up and squeezing your penis and grinning at you?
................................................
I believe the Taelons are among us, so many have the implants already! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>There is nothing jagged about a piercing. They are very smooth and well-crafted surgical steel.

BTW, could you explain why you condemn people you have never met as perverts? I have asked you this before, but your cowardice seems to make you ignore the request.

[greyhair]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
Tidoublegerpb4,

My objective on this thread is not to malign all piercing (I'll do that elsewhere).
I am only willing to address the practice of piercing one's genitals.

Quite a few resorts ban it and with good reason.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Most resorts and clubs, WORLDWIDE, do not ban them. It is only in the US that you find such provincial thinking.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
It is creates one more hurdle that marginalizes the nudist community from open-minded textiles who are considering our lifestyle. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Please provide proof that it does what you claim.
Failure to provide such proof will show you to be a liar and a hate-ridden twit.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
It really is disgusting, creepy, ugly, offensive, anti-nudist, narcissistic, sexually obsessive, and a waste of time and money. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That is your opinion, one that is not shared by most intelligent people.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Again I will be glad to address other body modification issues elsewhere. Sexual jewelry is uniquely perverse and deserves special treatment. Not only that, it is widely banned in nudist resorts.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>False! Why do you keep lying?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
I can accept your admonition to respect others, but I have to laugh if you think that means respecting their behavior regardless of what they do. Have you ever seen the television show Jacka$$? Do you respect the characters Johnny Knoxville portrays? [/QB] <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I don't watch much TV, but I can say that I don't have much respect for hate-mongering liars who won't prove any of their statements.

[Trailscout]

Greyhare,
Genital jewelry is an addition to simple nudity. Simple nudity has been sufficient for 100 years, so why are some nudists drifting away from simple nudity and toward a look at my sparkly penis attitude?

You don't have to be a pervert, you can just wear jewelry like one and people will mistake you for one.

[greyhair]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
[QB] Miami,

I can tell you disagree with some of what I said, but you haven't really criticized anything in particular so I kinda think you are just blowing smoke <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You haven't proven any of your claims and ducked almost every request for you to back up your opinions with facts. So who is blowing smoke?


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I could use religious arguments but I won't.

Not getting pierced is just common sense.
1. It costs nothing not to do it.
2. You won't get infected by not doing it.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You won't get infected if you practice proper hygiene.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> 3. Your friends will still love you even if you never get pierced.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Has nothing to do with having your friends love you. It is a personal decision made by each individual.

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4. You will have fewer obstacles to getting admitted to resorts.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>FALSE!
Only in certain resorts in the Uptight States of America will you have problems. In most of the world(ATTN: TrailScout! there is a world full of other countries outside the borders of the USA)

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5. Our human body is lovely just the way we are born.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Again, that is the decision of the individual.

[greyhair]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by naturistmark1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mj:

Trailscout....who gave you permission to speak for most nudists....looks as if there is only one of ......
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Let's be fair, Trailscout didn't claim to be speaking for anyone.

Most of what he wrote was clearly identified as opinion. He did make one broad statement:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Most nudists find genital piercings contrary to the spirit of non-sexual public nudity. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Which can only be construed as representing his impression of the opinions of those nudists he is familiar with.

I'd have to say I think he is right on. Most of the practising real world (as opposed to online) nudists I've met feel that way too. Many are also very tolerant of it (to each his own, etc.) but I've heard what is said.
-Mark <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Looks like Mark has never looked at the world outside the corner of the USA that he inhabits. North of the border, Mark, is a large country. It is called Canada. I haven't found ONE(1)! nudist club in Canada with a policy prohibiting genital piercings. They are common enough here that they raise no comments from real meatspace nudists. The only complaints that I have seen about piercings come from online nudists. Check around the world and see how many European clubs and resorts ban piercings. Think globally and realise that the internet and nudism are global and not just American things.

[Trailscout]

Monkey see monkey do.

Individuals would not suddenly decide by the hundreds to skewer their penises.

Lemmings make decisions like that, jumping off a Norwegian cliff because the lemming in front of him just jumped.

The burden is on the piercing victim to justify the holes he punches in his perfectly good body.

I support all resorts with the good taste and the respect for the beauty of the human body to keep the holy men outside the gate.

[GO AWAY]

AW too bad for you TrailScout I am too mature to stoop to your level..

Have fun at the bottom...with your attitude that is where you will stay...

OOO OO OOO OO OOOOO I GOT A NEW ATTITUDE...

YA'LL READY...YEEEAAHHHH...

LET'S DO THIS...


FREEEDDDOOOMMMM FREEEDDOOOMMMM FREEEDDOOOMMM OH FREEEEEEDDDDOOOOMMMMM....

J

[GO AWAY]

way to disect it Greyhair...

see i don't even have to waste my time on him...
fun people like you make it soo much fun to sit back and laugh...

KEEP EM ROLLING

[GO AWAY]

oH YEAH...AND STAINLESS STEEL DOESN'T SET OFF AIRPORT DETECTORS...

BLAH BLAH BLAH

YOU ARE DOING THAT...I WANT YOU TO DO THIS..shh shh shh....LOL

[Trailscout]

Miami,
Does Dr. Laura know that you stole her song?

You know if you swim in the salt water long enough your jewels will turn green and drop off?

People will like you for who you are. I gotta admit you can make people laugh with your sense of humor. You don't need no glitter and tinsel to be important and respected!

[GO AWAY]

Piercings are part of who I am...and i have been in salt water for three days straight...

look...they aren't green...oh darn...mine must be fake...


LOL...

it's over you're being shut down...SORRRY..

bye bye now...

[greyhair]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trailscout:
Monkey see monkey do.
[QUOTE]
Individuals would not suddenly decide by the hundreds to skewer their penises.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Prove your statement. BTW, I am still waiting for you to explain why you said that my wife, among others is a pervert.

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Lemmings make decisions like that, jumping off a Norwegian cliff because the lemming in front of him just jumped.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Just like lemming-like people tithe and worship a fictional deity and his son?

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The burden is on the piercing victim to justify the holes he punches in his perfectly good body.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The burden is on you to justify why you attack people who you have never met for simply choosing to wear jewelry. I bet you don't have the BALLS to confront someone, in the physical world, who is pierced.

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I support all resorts with the good taste and the respect for the beauty of the human body to keep the holy men outside the gate. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The globally small fraction of resorts clustered in the Uptight States of America. Most of the world doesn't have a problem with piercings. So everyone else is wrong but a handful of rednecks living in the Southeast USA?

Please forgive my laughter at your country bumpkin-like attitudes.

[GO AWAY]

LOL Greyhair I am from the COuntry...and it does sound like those type of places...set in their midevil ways...

KEEP EM COMING GREYHAIR...YOU ARE THE BEST DUDE...