Nude Sculpture On Field Trip Gets Teacher In Trouble

[simonsebs]

Nude Sculpture On Field Trip Gets Teacher In Trouble (http://www.nbc5i.com/education/9935581/detail.html)
This is crazy to me. The parents signed permission forms. If they didn't want their children to see nudity, they shouldn't have let them go. Its almost a given you will see something like that at a museum.

[simonsebs]

Nude Sculpture On Field Trip Gets Teacher In Trouble (http://www.nbc5i.com/education/9935581/detail.html)
This is crazy to me. The parents signed permission forms. If they didn't want their children to see nudity, they shouldn't have let them go. Its almost a given you will see something like that at a museum.

[Nude in the North]

Oh for Pete's Sake!!!

WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!

[Bob S.]

If I wrote here what was in my mind, it would not make it past any censors!

This teacher, who is the best part of the school, who has, by her mere presence at the school, influenced parents to move to the school's district so that their children could be a part of her classes, been put on administrative leave for taking the children on a school-approved, parent-approved field trip to the museum!!??

All I acn say is WTF????

On the site is a poll asking you be upset if your child saw a nude sculpture at a museum of art while on a field trip?

So far, of the 23,062 people who answered, 98% (22, 488) said No while 574 said Yes. At least in this unscientific poll, sanity rules.

Bob S.

[Boreas]

I have to say that Bob said it well......WTF???? http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/confused.gif

What is happening to your country. Please say the insanity won't travel north! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/freak.gif

[NakedGary]

You might know it would be a school in Texas.

The parents are at fault by drumming into the heads of the children that nudity being seen nude and see others nude is bad, and to report anything they see that's nude.

What major city does not have some sort of nude statue or art piece in their museum?

I guess this school district probably is already de-nuding all the text books and reference manuals in their librarys in the district.

Fifth graders harmed by nudity in art work or statues in a museum? No wonder many of our young people grow up to be misfits in the general society.

Wouldn't the parents and school district be shocked to find out their is 14 nudist facilities within 88 miles of Frisco Texas! How terrible!

You Searched For:
ZIP=75034
Within 200 mile radius of Frisco, TX
14 Matches Found (displaying 1 to 14)
Club Name City State ZIP Landed More Info Distance
River Hills Nudist Park Aubrey TX 76227 More Info 13 miles
Sunbirds Sun Club Carrollton TX 75011 NO More Info 14 miles
Free Spirit Nudist Club Dallas TX 75214 NO More Info 23 miles
Wildwood Naturist Resort Decatur TX 76234 YES More Info 41 miles
BSN Bare Soul Nudist Ft. Worth TX 76124 NO More Info 41 miles
Naturally Friends Naturist Retreat Midlothian TX 76065 YES More Info 49 miles
Bluebonnet Alvord TX 76225 YES More Info 50 miles
Pondarosa Resort Wills Point TX 75169 YES More Info 56 miles
Stonewood Gardens Weatherford TX 76085 YES More Info 56 miles
Armadillo Resort Poolville TX 76487 YES More Info 62 miles
Vista Grande Ranch Weatherford TX 76088 YES More Info 68 miles
BB's Hideaway Canton TX 75103 YES More Info 69 miles
BB's Hideaway Canton TX 75103 YES 69 miles
Empyrean Garden Whitney TX 76692 YES More Info 88 miles

[Liam]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nude in the North:
Oh for Pete's Sake!!!

WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is rampant insanity! How can people be so stupid. Many have given up thinking for themselves and rely on others to do it for them.

[Sanslines]

Another example of how man's perversion of religion, either directly or indirectly, brainwashes the masses.

[NudistGuy47]

When I heard of this story while driving, I was appalled at the stupidity of the whole situation. The story on NPR reported "one parent complained". The prinicipal of the school has decided the one parent complaint overshadows and carries more weight than the stellar career of this teacher. The school board has upheld the decision and is paying the teacher full salary while on leave to the end of the school year.

The whole thing is insanity when it comes to art. Who does not expect to see some unclothed figures depicted, either in sculpture or painting, when visiting an art museum? Why, if 88 parents did not complain, did the complaint by one cause the teacher to be placed on leave and the recommendation made to not renew her contract? IMHO, it is time to clean house on the school board and principal's office to rid the school system of the spineless, inane people holding those offices.

[shãybare]

http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/cool4.gif
I am simply appalled at the idiocity of some people. The ignorance of these people are shameful to say the least.

How long will the intelligent people put up with the unlearned, overreacting parents? I just can't believe the stupidity.

"Duh. I want my kid to learn, but don't take him anywhere that might broaden his mind."

[hm0504]

I thought the video report was quite good. Wished it had include a picture of the offending statue though. Anyone got a link to it?

[Fuzzy Nuts]

Hope they dont get rid of all the National Geographics magazines. How else are the kids going to learn what a naked body looks like.

By the way is it true that Texas is thinking of banning mirrors in everybody's bathroom so that nudity wont offend you (even if it is your own nudity)?

[LamontCranston]

I think it's more to do with the parents ambitions to publicity than anything about nudity.

How many times have the parents paraded their kids past the skin mags in supermarket checkout lines? Or driven past the waifs in underwear pictured on bulletin boards? No audience, so no complaints I bet.

Idiots.

[NakedGary]

Here is the Video Link, but it doesn't show the so called offending art piece, sculpture or statue.

Link to nbc5i.com Dallas/Fort Worth TV channels feature "Nudity On Field Trip Gets Teacher In Trouble. (http://www.nbc5i.com/video/9932582/index.html)

[LamontCranston]

One parent says, "Other parents are worried about the future of the art program at the school..."

Lady, they suspended the teacher. The art program is over. While you weren't looking someone took it away.

And guess what your school board elected idiots signed you up for --
No field trips to the Sistene Chapel, that's for sure. It's R-rated there at the Vatican. No Renoir or Ruebens, too racy. No visits to the library, that's where they store art books with examples of classical sculpture. Can't risk someone getting a peek.

[NakedGary]

I just found a link to the Dallas Museum of Fine Art.

Could it have been this artist work that a child saw and reported to their parents?

Link to Dallas Museum of Fine Arts "Sculpture Center" Work of Henri Matisse's sculptural works (http://www.dallasmuseumofart.org/Dallas_Museum_of_Art/View/Future_Exhibitions/ID_088293)

[nimrod]

What the...! It is hard to believe how bad things are in this country. I thought that King of the Hill was exagerating the views of some Texans, now I see they are showing the truth. I can hear Hank now, "I don't want my God dang son seeing no God dang nudie statue!"

[NakedGary]

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Ctbeachguy
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Posted September 27, 2006 07:31 AM

Did anyone else catch this story? Apparently, an art teacher with 28 yrs experience took a class of 5th graders to an art museum. This was a school sanctioned trip complete with permission slips. It seems as though a student complained about seeing a nude statue to their parents who in turn made a big deal at a school board meeting. This is truly a said statement about our society today.
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[NakedGary]

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LamontCranston
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Posts: 202

Posted September 27, 2006 03:41 PM

The sad part is the lack of leardership and moral compass in places like the school board.

People can say what they will, but no one is obliged to listen or take action.

I think the best response to a complaint like this is, "Sir, we heard your complaint, now please sit down."

Mike S
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[NakedGary]

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hatesclothes
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Location: King county, WA
Registered:: October 18, 2005
Posts: 69

Posted September 27, 2006 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by Ctbeachguy:
Did anyone else catch this story? Apparently, an art teacher with 28 yrs experience took a class of 5th graders to an art museum. This was a school sanctioned trip complete with permission slips. It seems as though a student complained about seeing a nude statue to their parents who in turn made a big deal at a school board meeting. This is truly a said statement about our society today.
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the only thing I can say is...TOTALLY DISGUSTING (And, teacher should SUE)
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[hatesclothes]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NakedGary:
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hatesclothes
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Location: King county, WA
Registered:: October 18, 2005
Posts: 69

Posted September 27, 2006 04:56 PM

quote:
__________________________________________________ ____________________________________
Originally posted by Ctbeachguy:
Did anyone else catch this story? Apparently, an art teacher with 28 yrs experience took a class of 5th graders to an art museum. This was a school sanctioned trip complete with permission slips. It seems as though a student complained about seeing a nude statue to their parents who in turn made a big deal at a school board meeting. This is truly a said statement about our society today.
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this is ameriKa ???

the only thing I can say is...TOTALLY DISGUSTING (And, teacher should SUE)
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[Bob S.]

On the Fisher Elementary School (http://www.friscoisd.org/schools/fisher.htm) website, they have a list of the Ten Everyday Fisher Essentials

Number 10: Be positive and enjoy life. Accept that making mistakes is a part of the process. Learn from them and move on.

The school and board can't accept that one.

Boreas:"What is happening to your country. Please say the insanity won't travel north!"

I hope not. And I hope it is not contageous. Maybe one day, we'll find the cure for this virulent disease.

Bob S.

[JohnFourtyTwo]

*Shakes Head* *Bangs Head on Keyboard*

I come from a very strict and religious southern family but when nudity came up like this, it was explained that it was art not porn, so we never had a problem with it. Looks like a lot has changed the past 39 years.

I remember a teacher in high school who taught biology made a little speech about how beautiful the human body is. She wasn't fired, counseled or anything, and if she hasn't died or retired, she's probably still teaching there.

[nimrod]

I have been thinking about this overnight, and the thought that came to mind is how we have become a knee jerk society. One of the parents complained and the teacher is suspended.
I would like to know how many of the parents who do not have so many hang-ups about nudes in art, or nudity in general, are complaining to the school board and the principle about the teachers suspension, and if their concerns are being considered. How have we become so ultra-sensitive about "protecting our children" that a nude sculpture can produce such an extreme responce? The mind set of "protecting our children" does not work if this is the result. I could go on for some time on this rant, but I will stop now.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NakedGary:

I guess this school district probably is already de-nuding all the text books and reference manuals in their librarys in the district.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Start the furnaces, lets burn some books now.
Hmmmm this sounds all to familiar.

this is a posting I made on another board on this subject.

Such is our sexually demented society within which we live. people cant even appreciate true art.
This was a PUBLIC museum! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/bonk.gif
and to think they let "CHILDREN" see those horrid NUDE sculptures! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/shocked.gif
you would think with all that PORN <sarcasm> they would not let UNDER 18 minors in!
The place should at least have a COVER charge (pun intended)
someone with the recourse's should publish an "Americanized" photo album with classic nude sculptures wearing prudish clothing! dressed to the hilt. (for the nudity dysfunctional crowd )
like "David" or "the Thinker"

or an album of "Americanized nudes" of totally clothed people. in nude-like poses but totally clothed in loose fitting clothes, not reveling even the slightest hint of body shape.

this expose (if you can call it that LOL) could be presented with excepts of nude related news clips like this story here about this teacher. this would all be very sarcastic of course meant to slap the faces of the prudish parents that signed the permission slips.

and to think that condoms get handed out to our kids in these schools in the name of "EDUCATION"
it's no wonder kids snicker. I'm surprised that there not "required carry" like pencil and paper!

[DKirkpatrick]

For those interested I just posted an advisory from NAC on this case regarding the teacher that lost her job after an approved field trip to a local art museum.

Its posted in the Legal Issues section.

NAC is assisting in the case and offers some detailed info.

[Sanslines]

Just throw a sheet over the nude sculpture and be done with it...............lol!

[Franklyminim]

I recall seeing a deformed comedian on TV ( half of one of his fingers was missing) who recalled going into a large building to be greeted by the sight of a depiction of a man being crucified.

One can only wonder at what effect that had on him.

[usuallylurk]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by D. Kirkpatrick:
For those interested I just posted an advisory from NAC on this case regarding the teacher that lost her job after an approved field trip to a local art museum.

Its posted in the Legal Issues section.

NAC is assisting in the case and offers some detailed info. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And it's important to note -- the media , as well as the school board, is reporting now that this may NOT have been the reason for the teacher's dismissal.

According to some reports, there was administrative (guidance) action for her to follow. There was (reportedly) a transfer request.

And the dismissal over the art museum visit has come from the teacher's side AND the media and her attorney. The school district is largely prohibited from discussing the matter publicly because, well, it's a personnel matter and it's not legal or ethical to discuss personnel matters in public.

Let's hear ALL sides of the story before rushing to judgement.

[Fuzzy Nuts]

As in my previous post I think it is ridiculous. However as a retired teacher I wonder if we are getting the whole story. Possibly this school board had been trying to get rid of this teacher for some time and this is not an easy thing to do (at least in Canada) and maybe this was just the catalyst that made possible the firing of a poor teacher. We have no way of knowing
. I'm not saying this teacher was a good or bad teacher - we have no way of knowing. But this could have been the straw that broke the camel's back. Possibly the school board had been looking for a long time on a way to get rid of this teacher.

We cant jump to conclusions. If the story is as was reported then it is ridiculous but would be nice to hear both sides.

[usuallylurk]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hairyballs:
As in my previous post I think it is ridiculous. However as a retired teacher I wonder if we are getting the whole story. Possibly this school board had been trying to get rid of this teacher for some time and this is not an easy thing to do (at least in Canada) and maybe this was just the catalyst that made possible the firing of a poor teacher. We have no way of knowing
. I'm not saying this teacher was a good or bad teacher - we have no way of knowing. But this could have been the straw that broke the camel's back. Possibly the school board had been looking for a long time on a way to get rid of this teacher.

We cant jump to conclusions. If the story is as was reported then it is ridiculous but would be nice to hear both sides. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's just the point, HB. The school board cannot list specifics - but - is alleging that this had NOTHING to do with the teacher being put on administrative leave. It is the teacher's comments (and her lawyer's) stating it.

I want to hear all sides as well. Even NAC is taking a cautious approach to determine if this is a personnel matter or a matter involving the museum visit.

[NakedGary]

The intelligence I got out of reading various articles, and posts indicate that the district had other issues with this teacher and the Dallas Museum of Fine Arts Tour triggered the excuse to rid, put on paid administration leave and not renew this excellent teacher’s contract.

The board held closed meetings and decided it was economically more reasonable to fire the teacher than to fight in court on complaints or suit to the school district.

Here are the contacts if you want to get involved or write a letter to voice your opinion:

Contacts

Rick Reedy - Superintendent of Schools
reedyr@friscoisd.org

Frisco ISD
6942 Maple Street
Frisco, Texas 75034
(469) 633-6000

Nancy Lawson - Principal
phone: 469.633.2600
Fax: 469.633.2650

Wilma Fisher Elementary
2500 Old Orchard Dr.
Frisco, TX 75034

This detailed article from Texas Ed comments on other issues in this case:

Link to Texas Ed article on this issue. (http://texased.wordpress.com/2006/08/25/art-museums-can-be-hazardous-to-your-job/)

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[NakedGary]

There are two topic/threads on this art museum case.

The other being a NAC advisory in legal issues @:

Link to other Topic/Thread Art Museum case [NAC advisory] (http://clothesfreeforums.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7400016152/m/9080050154?r=2500023154#2500023154)
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[Bob S.]

You know, I bet the students saw worse on the billboards and other advertising places on the way to the museum.

hairy"Possibly the school board had been looking for a long time on a way to get rid of this teacher."

But that is not the case. In the story provided in the first message, there were statements that showed that she was a huge asset to the school: McGee, who was honored with a Star Teacher Award two years ago and Other parents are worried about the future of the art program at the school, which they cite as a reason for moving into the neighborhood.

That does not sound like a teacher they would want to get rid of.

Bob S.

[florida-david]

it is important for the other parents at that school to speak up in the teachers defense. If this happened at my school, i would make it a point to speak to the principal and staff and to try to get concensus from parents that are not offended. They need to voice their opinion, as i feel there are probably many parents who did not find offense in the naked art....

[JohnFourtyTwo]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bob S.:
You know, I bet the students saw worse on the billboards and other advertising places on the way to the museum.

hairy"Possibly the school board had been looking for a long time on a way to get rid of this teacher."

But that is not the case. In the story provided in the first message, there were statements that showed that she was a huge asset to the school: McGee, who was honored with a Star Teacher Award two years ago and Other parents are worried about the future of the art program at the school, which they cite as a reason for moving into the neighborhood.

That does not sound like a teacher they would want to get rid of.

Bob S. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Your right Bob. I wonder how long it's going to take before they take down all those naked mermaids we have all over Norfolk.

[LamontCranston]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I recall seeing a deformed comedian on TV ( half of one of his fingers was missing) who recalled going into a large building to be greeted by the sight of a depiction of a man being crucified.

One can only wonder at what effect that had on him. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Huh? What effect would that be? Good, bad?
I don't see the relation between half a finger, a comedien, and an art museum.

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I don't see the relation between half a finger, a comedien, and an art museum. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It begs the question; if the sight of a statue of a naked person is harmful to children, what would be the effect of a statue of a naked man being tortured on a crucifix?

-Mark

[LeeR49]

What upsets me the most about this is the effect that it has on the kids. The reactions of the parents who objected will serve only to damage their own children.

Little Henrietta comes home from the trip, and Mom asks, "So, how was the trip? What did you see?" Henrietta says, "We saw a sculpture of a naked man."

Mom's jaw drops, eyes get big, face red, voice intensifies. "You saw WHAT? How n-n-na-NAKED? Did it show ... his ... privates?

Henrietta senses Mom's anger and fears that she has done something wrong. Fear and distress show in her face and voice. "Ummm. Yeah."

Mom throws her harms around her daughter. "Oh, my sweet innocent little baby. Mommy sends you to school to get a good education, and your teacher takes you and shows you a ... a ... p-- ... p-- ... a ... MAN-PART! You poor thing! How could she do such a thing! I need to call the school!" And she lets go of the now very scared, confused, and guilt-ridden little girl to go get that "evil" teacher fired.

What does Henrietta think? Maybe she now fears that her classmates will all hate her when they find out that she was the one who got the teacher fired. Maybe she has just learned how dirty the human body really is. Maybe she wonders what's wrong with herself because she actually found the sculpture a little interresting. Suddenly, she is even more confused, and concludes that the cause of her distress is this naked sculpture, and, for that matter, nakedness, period. And, without a doubt, she has connected nakedness to sex, and sex to evil -- a connection that will not easily be broken.

Not many years from now, Henrietta will find, once again, that she wants to see another "man-part." She's curious, naturally. But she also remembers how her mother reated back in September '06. Still, she can't shake the interest, the curosity, the desire. Now, more than ever, she's sure that there must be something wrong with her. Her mother would be ashamed if she ever knew. Henrietta begins to feel shame as well. Still, the feelings are there.

And it's not just curiosity about the naked male body, but it's about sex (whether she means it to be or not), because, as her mom taught her, nudity=sex. And sex=evil. So, nudity must equal evil.

No doubt about it, Henrietta is certain that she is a evil, sexual pervert. Worthless -- helplessly worthless. So, What the hell, she thinks. May as well go get screwed -- she's obviously worthless and evil, since she's "hooked" on nudisty and nudity=sex=evil. And Henrietta becomes sexually active at the ripe old age of 12. We con only imagine what she will be like at 18.

But, what would have happened if the conversation had gone something like this:

Little Henrietta comes home from the trip, and Mom asks, "So, how was the trip? What did you see?" Henrietta says, "We saw a sculpture of a naked man."

Mom sets an after-school snack down at Henrietta's place at the table & sits down next to her. "Really" Well, what did you think of that?"

"I don't know..." Henrietta says quietly.

"You don't? Well, what do you think the artist thought about it? Was he trying to say something?"

Henrietta thinks for a moment. "Well, our teacher does say when an artist makes a nice sculpture or painting, he usually wants people to see the beauty in what he has made. Maybe the sculpture is supposed to say that the body is really a beautiful thing?"

Mom smiles. "I think you're right, Henrietta. I've seen that sculpture, too, and it spoke to me about the beauty and wonder and dignity of our bodies. This man in the sculpture is certainly a man who has taken care of his body, and lived a healty life, don't you think?"

Henrietta giggles a little. "Yeah. I guess so."

Mom picks up on the teaching moment. "I think that sculpture tells us how beautiful we can be -- not just on the outside, but also on the inside, when we take care of our bodies, stay away from unhealthy things, and get lots of excercise.

"It also reminds me of the dignity of our bodies -- how very special they are. And, because they are special, there are certain things that I'm not going to let just anyone have access to. You are very beautiful Henrietta. And there are some very beautiful parts of you" (she points toward Henrietta's heart) "that you will want to keep for yourself until you are ready to give them to one very special person seomday. Do you what I mean?"

Henrietta smiles, and blushes just a little. "Yeah, Mom. I know what you mean. (She pauses.) Can I go call Buford now? He wants to come over so we can play on your old Ninendo?"

"My old Nintendo? Now that's a flashbak to days long ago! Sure, call him."

And we can only imagine what Henrietta will be like at 18.

[LamontCranston]

And so where is this in relation to an art museum, a comedien, and half a finger? Instead of heading in the direction you're heading, maybe a more pertinent point has to do with the skin displayed at a child's eye level on magazine covers at the supermarket.

That could be a bit more relevant to this thread topic than a veiled swipe at religious symbols.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">quote:
I don't see the relation between half a finger, a comedien, and an art museum.


It begs the question; if the sight of a statue of a naked person is harmful to children, what would be the effect of a statue of a naked man being tortured on a crucifix? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Naturist Mark]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And so where is this in relation to an art museum, a comedien, and half a finger? Instead of heading in the direction you're heading, maybe a more pertinent point has to do with the skin displayed at a child's eye level on magazine covers at the supermarket.

That could be a bit more relevant to this thread topic than a veiled swipe at religious symbols. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

As far as I can tell, the state of the comedian's finger has no relevence.

I don't believe it is a 'swipe' at religious symbols per se, just a swipe at hypocrites who think artistic nudity is automatically harmful while depictions of torture are not. I suppose you could draw some irony that the prudes who think artistic nudity is dangerous also often consider themselves closer to God than those of us who think the Sistine Chapel is a masterpiece.

-Mark

[hm0504]

I don't see how missing half a finger makes one "deformed". One of my favourite actresses, Daryl Hannah has such a trait and I would say she is very well formed, and very well informed, indeed.

[simonsebs]

Just thought I'd post this editorial (http://www.theeagle.com/stories/100106/opinions_20061001034.php).

[Liam]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by simonsebs:
Just thought I'd post this editorial (http://www.theeagle.com/stories/100106/opinions_20061001034.php). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Excellent, thank you! It is the best thing I have seen on this situation so far.

[NakedGary]

Liam

Did you miss this very detailed report including comments from other teachers in the same schoold district? on page 2 of this topic/thread?

This detailed article from Texas Ed comments on other issues in this case (http://texased.wordpress.com/2006/08/25/art-museums-can-be-hazardous-to-your-job/)
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[tinner666]

Sad..... http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/cry.gif

[Liam]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NakedGary:
Liam

Did you miss this very detailed report including comments from other teachers in the same schoold district? on page 2 of this topic/thread?

This detailed article from Texas Ed comments on other issues in this case (http://texased.wordpress.com/2006/08/25/art-museums-can-be-hazardous-to-your-job/)
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Yes, I did miss it. Thank you for posting it again. Very interesting. Because of personal experience, I am NOT a fan of school administrators.

[Bob S.]

Yes, look at the site that Gary linked to. I gave my own opinion.

I ended with the question of why the morals of a parent in disagreeing with a piece of art can cause a teacher to lose her job.

Her record, whether it be spotless as she claims to never have received a negative review, or if she had been talked to many times about her actions, is irrelevant. This was a school-sponsored field trip on which she had gone before and expected her children to become enriched from the art they saw.

This is art that the museum allows open to all the public and deems appropriate for 10-year-old children and younger. How is this any refection on her actions as a teacher?

Bob S.