Questionable pictures???

[BrianM]

Some pictures, like todays feature pic, seem to be focused on adolescent nudism. While I deliberatly did not say child pornograghy, because it is not, however, in the eyes of non-nudists and jurys in the US, it may be considered such. This picture, and many others that have appeared on the site are unquestionably ancient, such as the one today. It was probably from the 70's by the look of the socks the kids were wearing. I have no clue or care where it came from, but I doubt is was any legitimate contribution by a member, or from any recent INA activity. Some pictures (not this one) have a link to website, that when I went to it, seemed very heavily slanted toward adolescent nudism, so I turned away from it. I understand that this is a touchy issue, any some may disaggree or get defensive. I think the actions and agenda of the INA seem on the up and up, and I would hate for it and its members to labeled child pornographers by accident. Labels are often hard to remove once placed. Just MHO.

[BrianM]

Some pictures, like todays feature pic, seem to be focused on adolescent nudism. While I deliberatly did not say child pornograghy, because it is not, however, in the eyes of non-nudists and jurys in the US, it may be considered such. This picture, and many others that have appeared on the site are unquestionably ancient, such as the one today. It was probably from the 70's by the look of the socks the kids were wearing. I have no clue or care where it came from, but I doubt is was any legitimate contribution by a member, or from any recent INA activity. Some pictures (not this one) have a link to website, that when I went to it, seemed very heavily slanted toward adolescent nudism, so I turned away from it. I understand that this is a touchy issue, any some may disaggree or get defensive. I think the actions and agenda of the INA seem on the up and up, and I would hate for it and its members to labeled child pornographers by accident. Labels are often hard to remove once placed. Just MHO.

[Hokienudist]

I think the whole nudist pic a day thing is a bit weird to begin with. But if you want to show nudism, kids are included. I dont know how PC this all is though.

On INA activities, i'm still trying to figure out why they make you pay for stuff like the nude news. I'd join INA, but most clubs dont recognize this organization as a nudist one... and with all the pics and paying for stuff its a little weird in that respect.

But i do think a free nude in the news thing would be very good, and would serve the purpose of advertising nudism better than a free nudist pic of the day does.

[Bartamus]

Hokienudist: At least three naturist clubs in
California now accept the INA membership card
for discounts. That list is growing. Remember
we've only been around for three years while
AANR has been around for 60 and The Naturist
Society for about 30. Give us time!!

[Frank R]

I feel the small amount I paid to join INA was very well spend indeed. It does take time and money to run a web site, expecially one as well run as this is. Someone had to spend times gathering the information (news) we read and you can't expect volunteers to do everything. One thing I am certain of: I spend more time at this web site than any other! Just keep up the great work you Bart (and others) are doing and please let me know if there anyway for members like myself to help out. Thanks

[Corey Mangold]

Of the 31 photos of the day currently running, we have only two that show kids. But it is important to have just a few photos that include kids to show the true meaning of the lifestyle and also young people are the future of naturism.

As for the news show and the photos, we planned to show it free but our only source of income comes from memberships. If everything was free, we would have no budget to promote anything. We travel all over the world to document and promote the naturist lifestyle and we need the funding to continue our work. Members keep requesting to see more photos from all over the world.

Almost every club we contacted (over 400 throughout the world) said they would recognize INA members as a legitimate nudist organization. Many of them give discounts to INA card holders.

Thank you and most of all have fun!!

Corky (on Corey's computer)

[florida-david]

i would like to thank the administrators for all their time spent on this site. i joined the INA to financially support their endeavors - we should all be willing to put our money where our mouth is. it is not fair to expect a couple of people to do all this work for free. since i'm new here, is it listed anywhere who the people are that keep the INA running?? hats off to you all

the daily pictures are old maybe because the membership is not sending in enough pictures. i am not bold enough to send in full-frontal pictures, but give me time. i sent in some "artsy" ones, we'll see if they get on. as for why bother with the daily pictures, it keeps people coming back to see how much fun we are having nude, so send in tose pictures (even if you are playing in the snow right now).

enjoy

When I get home from work, the first thing I do is turn on my computer (well, after I turn up the heat, anyway). Once it's warmed up I go straight to the INA website and to the forums.

Once a month when new photos are posted I look at them to see if there's anything actually new. Nude news doesn't interest me, but then news in general doesn't interest me.

I think you've done a great job in only three years. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[BrianM]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CoreyINA:
Of the 31 photos of the day currently running, we have only two that show kids. But it is important to have just a few photos that include kids to show the true meaning of the lifestyle and also young people are the future of naturism.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>My concern was that these photos were obviously old, thus probably not from a current member. Most likely copied or scanned from some nudist photo archive. How do you know that they are legitimate? Also, has the legality of these photos been tested, or are we all taking chances by visiting this site? If it is necessary to post 20 year old pics to show the true meaning of the lifestyle, then maybe what is being shown is not an accurate representation. However, I have seen kids at nude beaches, so I know it is part of it. I would refrain from showing photos with only kids. At the most, pics with a parent in the pic also, doing something recreational. Also, it would be good to add a caption which describes where it is, etc. A caption would be good for all pics, like several legit photos recently put in by the INA staff, it would make them more informational than just visual and add an element of ligitimacy.

[greensunshine]

Count my Vote in for voting this one of the best websites for us nudist /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif There are others out there, but this is the only one I check on a regular basis...and I have been a regular for a long time...lot of new people have joined since me over a year ago /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ...it would be nice if the those who stop by to read something here and there would also join...price is right and the hours can't be beat...24/7 /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Anyway the majority of what is written on this BB is worth reading /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Bartamus]

Florida-David: Corky Stanton is the founder
and creative director of INA and clothesfree.com.
Corey Mangold is our President and he's the one
that answers your e-mails. I monitor the forums
and advise them on public relations.
Thanks for your interest

BrianM: Your concerns are completely unwarranted,
however I'll have Corky respond to you

[mel]

Corey-INA
You have a great variety of photos, young and old and some with good background. They really show what the lifestyle is about. I see no need to change anything. You can never please everybody. Keep up the good work.

[nudeM]

I would like to suggest that those who have questions about child nudity, they should look at the Helios web site. This group has all types of family oriented activites, and from what have seen, everyone seems to be having a ball. To me, this group brings on the true meaning of family activities in the nude.

I believe this organization originated in Europe, and from what I can tell, there is also a chapter here in the states. I do not want to advertise too much about them, but it is a fine example of how the entire family can get involved in nudist activities.

[IAnudequad]

Personally, I would like to see new pictures in the picture a day rotation. I think they should show entire families, children included, enjoying the nudist lifestyle. Singles, like myself, are a part of the lifestyle but I would like to see more family awareness brought up front. Just my suggestion.

[Bartamus]

Greensunshine and everyone else. Thanks for your
kind words and suggestions. We greatly appreciate
the input you give us for this website. The forum
is a terrific way for us to gauge what works and
what doesn't. Thanks again!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nudeM:
I would like to suggest that those who have questions about child nudity, they should look at the Helios web site. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>How about telling us where it is??

[nudeM]

Administraters: I have been unable to get to the sites listed at the bottom of your home page stating "over 90,000 hits a day". I have been able to go to that site in the past, but for some reason, I have been unable for the past couple of months or so. Is the problem in my computer, or on your end of the wire? Thanks for any information.

Cindiann: If you go to the site listed above, go to the "international" section and scroll down to the Helios site, your answer lies within.

Thanks.

[randomnude]

I agree it is important to show the family aspect of nudism. Without it I may not have found this wonderful lifestyle. While camping with some friends in Oregon I decided to try one of the many hot springs available. When we arrived I went to the restroom to change. There were several people in the restroom in various stages of dressing. Nothing out of the ordinary until some left without getting dressed! By the time I arrived to the spring there I was shocked. Most people were dressed but a few families were not. The kids splashed and played as if being naked in a pool was perfectly normal. I was amazed how quickly I too became comfortable. Unfortunately, I kept my suit on. I have thought about that day quite a lot lately. I look forward to going back someday. A hot soak without the burden of a suit sounds wonderful. Anyone else been to a Hot Spring.

[TV - Pilot]

I have been looking at this site for some time to gather more information about the Naturist Lifestyle and finally joined INA. I looked at those pictures that were available and I have seen that it is the same ones circulating on a regular basis. Also some of the "Pictures of Freedom" are rather old and repeated on several of the pages. Would it be possible to incorporate newer pictures in the cycle of the daily pictures?

[Bartamus]

Randomnude: I've been going to some Hot Springs
here in Arizona for a long time. It's in a remote
canyon up in the northern part of the state so
it's nude friendly. For years the Springs have
been an escape for me. It's great to go up there
with naturist friends or to meet friends there.
I've met several people there over the years who
I'm still close too and are naturists.

[threadbare]

Excuse me, I'm a little slow sometimes, but I still can't find the "Helios" website.

[Corey Mangold]

Here is the Helios page: http://www.clothesfree.com/store/catheliosvid99.html

Also, to respond to BrianM:
The photos we get from members are sometimes very old, but they still show the lifestyle perfectly so we will still show them. We keep on record the email address of the person who donated the photos so we can inquire about the source if someone wants to know. We will take down and delete any photo that has someone in it that does not want it on display. It is cold and snowy at the moment here at INA Headquarters so we are posting photos that were sent in by members. We are planning many trips soon and will be putting up many new photos and videos of our trips. Thank you and have fun!

Corky (on Corey's computer)

[Caipora]

The photos are indeed "questionable". The question is "Are they child pornography?". The answer, which BrianM himself supplied, is "They are not". Simple nude photos aren't pornographic or illegal, and there's a lot of judicial precedent for that.

One problem with any censorship is the "chilling effect". People avoid not only what it prohibited, but anything remotely similar, and soon the similar seems prohibited too.

Soon you get cases like the woman recently held by her local police for 40 minutes at Walmart because she developed photos with (horrors!) a topless three-year-old.

Most ISPs don't consider nudity an important part of what they are. They can't judge each and every photo of all the sites they host for appropriateness, and so ban all child nudity. They fear "exposure" to lawsuits, and don't have the balls to permit what's legal.

Nudity is important to what INA does, and if Corey & Co. are willing to review one photo a day to insure that it's legal - and not just safely avoiding any controversy - they should be applauded rather than cautioned.

The willingness to exercise the right to publish what's legal shows (figuratively) that Corey has balls and doesn't fear "exposure" - just as his many photos on this site make the same (literal) affirmation.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BrianM:
Some pictures, like todays feature pic, seem to be focused on adolescent nudism. . . . I think the actions and agenda of the INA seem on the up and up, and I would hate for it and its members to labeled child pornographers by accident. Labels are often hard to remove once placed. Just MHO. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[greensunshine]

I couldn't agree more with people being labeled and often unfairly and or unjustifiably so...refering to people who would rather mind someone elses business than their own...and as they prefer to label someone incorrectly. Sadly, single nudists are more thought to be on the make when all we are looking for is another friend /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

*Note, not all singles who attend a nudist activity are on the prowel as some clubs would like to think we singles are...there are a lot of singles who would like to attend some of the nudist events, but because of the stigma that is often placed upon us, we elect to do something different...this could explain why there is a lot more activity on the beaches than there are at the nudist clubs for us singles /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

As far as taking pictures of anyone and having them developed somewhere other than on our home computers...we nudists have a lot to be thankful to the inventors of the Digital Camera. So until the comfort of knowing my film is safe somewhere else, I will opt for a digital over the snail mail of having photos developed in the future...at least this way, I do know the pics are only for a select few eyes to be viewed unless I elect to post them on some website...such as this one...and then others I don't know can see them too at their digression...

Sorry, but with an overabundance of creaps looking for a cheap thrill, it often to hard to know who you can and can not trust with ones private pics /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Greensunshine I agree....But what were you doing up at 4 AM....Couldnt sleep?

[NoodieP]

I have to agree with Greensunshine that as a single I go to nude resorts for the comradeship and acceptance. Like anything else you have to earn other's trust and I feel that at least at Kaniksu Ranch that is possible, they are a very welcoming group to singles. Sure I'm always looking for friends and maybe more but that is secondary, I do the same in the textile world.

I don't mind having my pic taken by other nudists especially in group situations, like a hashing event. I do make sure that I participate only in nude opportunities that are far from home so the likelihood that I'll appear in a pic of someone from my non-nudist life is slight /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif . The nude pic opportunities I've been involved in are definitely non-sexual in nature, no different than a bunch of clothed people participating in a gathering. The comfort level of such events makes it easier to participate.

Pics that are sexual, i.e. arousal or lovemaking, are not appropriate to this site. I'd classify them as porn.

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Dream nude /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[TV - Pilot]

I am a single male. It is very hard for a single male to be accepted at most resorts and clubs. Being new to the social nude lifestyle, I don't know many people, especially of the female gender, to join me to be allowed into the resorts or clubs. I have even had people in business, catering to the nudist, tell me to buzz off. /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
Sorry, I just had to vent.

[whoishe]

I think that photos should be displayed on the site no matter how young or old the subjects are, and wether they are adolecents or not. They are the future and should be brought up with nudity, else they too will think its evil.

[Dario Western]

Hi,

I think we should be rather careful just as to what constitutes positive healthy lovemaking and cheap pornography.

This is not to say that nudists are not sexual or sensual beings, and that pornography and erotica fans cannot be into nudism as well.

But I do think that the children's sensibilities, especially where women are treated need to be respected.

If you ask why so many people call for the censorship of natural nudity, think for a minute the earliest memories of some children whose first memories of public nudity were related to torment, violence and rape - especially females.

Their bitter and twisted minds have caused them to react negatively to nudity, and scoff at nudists who can't understand why people think their lifestyle is so weird.

There is a web page called 'Whole Again' which is dedicated to spirituality and community for the future. Unfortunately, the only web page that deals with nudism and sexuality is the "Nudist/Naturist Hall of Shame".

I would suggest you have a look at it: http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU

Although such people are a minority themselves, they are doing a lot to keep a watch on the behaviour and attitudes of men involved in organised nudity.

Added to that, with our male youth culture predominantly obsessed with violence in video games, there is now a martial arts video game whereby one can take off the female partner's clothes before killing her. There's no sex involved, but you'd get what I mean.

Think about it.

Dario Western

[BrianM]

I'll let you do the explaining, OK? Im not such an activist, unfortunately

[turkishnudes]

This is not a suggestion, but rather a voice of appreciation.
The last few days I have been impressed with the pictures that show groups of naked people doing ordinary things - one looked like a competition of some sort, and today's picture young mixed adults.

This style of photo seems to be more in the "vintage" category ( although there is nothing on the pics to explain this). Not so long ago there seemed to be less hang ups about mixed family groups participating in naturism/nudism.

It seems these days with the advent of political correctness that to see a naked child or a naked family in a photograph altogether is a crime and something looked upon as abnormal and incorrect, worse still illegal!

With you publishing such photos this will help to impress upon the joy and innocence to be found in family participation in naked activity.

I cam upon a strange site the other day that I would also like to share with forum members ( if they don't already know about it). Family Nude (http://www.familynude.com/)
I couldn't decide however if this was sexual or naturist/nudist or in fact neither, rather it seems to be the appreciation of the family being naked together without any kind of label.

[EricNY]

hmmm could not tell without joining which I won't be doing. The pictures that where shown were ok (one was ?able)

Pay sites are not for me!

[DAR]

I enjoy this site almost every day the pix of the day if they would quit repeating the same ones over and over would be great. But showing children is really going to bring the wrong type of people to this site with the right understanding of what we enjoy in life. The rest of the pixs are not porn and the ones that enjoy that will go else where!!
dar

Dar,

Do the words "The rest of the pixs are not porn--" mean that you think that any photos with children in them ARE porn?

Social nudism is supposed to be family oriented. That would include children. Children are natural born nudists. Leaving out all photos with children in them will make social nudism appear as an adult thing where children are not allowed.

[luvnaturism]

Now that I've had quite a bit of naturist experience, I no longer pay much attention to pictures. However, they were important when I was debating whether naturism was an appropriate activity for us. It was largely through pictures that I became convinced that naturism is non-sexual and family-appropriate.

Pictures of whole families were valuable in that learning time. I strongly encourage that they continue to be included.

[Bob S.]

turkisnudes, the website for FamilyNudes seemed to me to be artistic nude pictures rather than nudist pictures. Not all pics that have nudity in them are nudist pictures. And posed pictures in studios are not nudist pictures.

DAR,
I believe that if a nudist site is going to show pictures, then it should show pics of a varying degree. Everything from family shots to sports to relaxation, etc. Everything that qualifies as nudism should count. And the best way to show nudism wholesome and not something sexual or deviant is to show pictures of children as well.

As for bringing the wrong type of people onto this site, the main attraction that this site has, IMHO, are these forums. For the pictures, you have to sign up to see most of them and afterwards, anyone who is here for the wrong reason is going to be unimpressed by the photos he sees. There are many other sites he could sign up for that meets his needs.

And actually, I enjoy better the pictures of families. I love looking at the dynamics of children (especially siblings) engaged in play, which some of the pics show. It elicits in me some feelings of jealosy as well that I could not have that kind of childhood and reinforces in me that when I do have children, that is how they are going to live.

Bob S.