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    Why is it that one can't be a nudist and recognize their sexuality? What is the push to keep them two concepts completely separate? I don't understand it. Like, sure, when I go to a nude place (beach/park/whatever) I am not drooling over the bodies and thinking about sex however I do have a sex drive so why do people on this forum - and some other - freak out whenever it is brought up???

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    You may want to read the thread, Nudity and Sex, in this category

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    • #3
      Big Difference

      Christian, As naturism is becoming a more acceptable lifestyle recently than it has been in the near past it could be safely said that there is a FUNDIMENTAL difference in how people differentiate between their naturist lifestyle and their sexual practices. Being a naturist is a CHOSEN public practice with the full knowledge of the fact that "what you got" is put out there for everyone to see, whereas, a person's sexual life is nobody's business but his own. What people do with their sexual partner is, and should, remain a private matter. I don't consider a public sex act as vulger an outdated notion. Sure, in some societies it may be acceptable, but not in mine. Any inquiry or public discussion of someone's sexuality should never be considered fair game.

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      • #4
        Thanks, Chick.

        Very well said, Chick. I really can't improve on that at all. But i'll try looking at it from a different angle.

        I think for most of us, nudism is simply the opportunity to do naked whatever we would do clothed. The more we do that, the more nakedness is seen as natural, normal and non-sexual. The was recently illustrated in the discussion about family wrestling (http://www.clothesfreeforum.com/showthread.php?t=12789). There, NudonyII says, "If it is safe and fun behavior that would be otherwise performed with clothes on, then yes, it is okay to do it nude." Later, Bob S adds, "It's not the clothing or lack thereof that should be the defining factor but what is happening."

        In other words, look at what you are doing (or thinking about doing) and ask yourself, "If I was in this same situation but the environment were clothed, would it be OK to do this?" Specifically, "If I was in a clothed resort instead of a nudist one, would it be OK for me to act in a sexually overt manner?" Obviously, the answer is no. So, it's also "no" in a nude resort.

        Nudists need to decide if our desire is to sexualize society, or simply free it from its bondage to clothing. I think most of us would say that society is sexualized enough as it is, and that we need to concentrate on one thing -- clothes-freedom, not sexual freedom. Leave that battle to others (if it needs to be fought at all; I would say it doesn't).

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        • #5
          Thanks LeeR49

          Very well said. Its the intent that matters.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Christian View Post
            Why is it that one can't be a nudist and recognize their sexuality?
            Nudist DO RECOGNIZE their sexuality - they just don't perform sexual acts in the open, but wait until they are in their tent or room.

            I believe that nudist sexuality is quite evident when they enjoy talking and socializing with the opposite sex, for instance.

            Nudists do not turn the nudist resort into a public orgy display of two persons or twenty two persons.

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            • #7
              i personally don't group people as to their sexual drive. i invite all nudists to become a part of my social friends. if i see they are becoing a threat then i handle it. let's just be ourselves and enjoy this lifestyle!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by nudenwv View Post
                i personally don't group people as to their sexual drive. i invite all nudists to become a part of my social friends. if i see they are becoing a threat then i handle it. let's just be ourselves and enjoy this lifestyle!

                That is a good outlook........But we need to remember it is not just how it affects us personally. It is how it affects people's perception of what naturism is about.

                Imagine a man who finally persuades his S/O to go to a nude resort. Reluctantly the S/O goes and finds a sexually charged atmosphere. Instead of getting turned on to the comforts of social nudity, ends up getting turned off because it was not sex they were after.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ercNY View Post
                  That is a good outlook........But we need to remember it is not just how it affects us personally. It is how it affects people's perception of what naturism is about.

                  Imagine a man who finally persuades his S/O to go to a nude resort. Reluctantly the S/O goes and finds a sexually charged atmosphere. Instead of getting turned on to the comforts of social nudity, ends up getting turned off because it was not sex they were after.
                  Quite!

                  Live and let live is all very well but you can't bury your head in the sand.
                  Apologies for the mixed metaphors!

                  I said it many times and I'll say it again, different lifestyles are fine by me, swingers, doggers, fetish, anything just as long as they don't try to hide behind naturism, or claim it to be part of naturism.

                  Pete Knight

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                  • #10
                    Apples and oranges to me really.

                    I have been around nudists and nude resorts beaches etc long enough that I really do not associate public nudity with sex.

                    Here is the deal, we have had a long hard fight just to get to the lousy state of affairs we are in now. The state of nudism in this country is not where I had hoped it would be 20 years ago when I first started going to nude beaches. We run into a stretch of progress where we are tolerated then BAM! Some new A**hole comes along and then we have a nude beach closed and forever lost to our cause. All it takes is lewd behavior and one busy body to report it and you lose again. I am tired of losing my nude beaches because of the behavior of some selfish jerks, GET A ROOM!!!

                    Just because we take our clothes off does not mean we leave our morals on the floor with them.

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                    • #11
                      Nudism and sexuality

                      In one hand, most people consider nudism to have a sexual connotation even though it is not sex itself. Other activities that may have a sexual connotation are dancing, disco music, massages, swimming, sauna, jacuzy, sports, not to mention many ads that have a sexual connotation.

                      If you take the web, the most popular porn site has more trafic in most western countries(if not all) than all religious web sites together.

                      I mean sex is almost everywhere, it is part of our culture. It is on tv, in the movies, on the internet, not to mention sex shops and other sex oriented business.

                      If you take Cap d'Agde, the post popular nudist place in the World, there is a sex shop there and other adult activities.

                      So, I do not see why naturists should worry about naturist resorts being too sexy, when most other people do not have a problem with it.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Eric6420 View Post
                        In one hand, most people consider nudism to have a sexual connotation even though it is not sex itself. Other activities that may have a sexual connotation are dancing, disco music, massages, swimming, sauna, jacuzy, sports, not to mention many ads that have a sexual connotation.

                        If you take the web, the most popular porn site has more trafic in most western countries(if not all) than all religious web sites together.

                        I mean sex is almost everywhere, it is part of our culture. It is on tv, in the movies, on the internet, not to mention sex shops and other sex oriented business.

                        If you take Cap d'Agde, the post popular nudist place in the World, there is a sex shop there and other adult activities.

                        So, I do not see why naturists should worry about naturist resorts being too sexy, when most other people do not have a problem with it.
                        We don't have a problem with it, but you seem to do so though.

                        Naturism isn't devoid of sexuality but then its not the main topic either, just like in textile life we have our sexuality but not in front of each other, at my club we have a mix of people, some are to shy or uptight to talk about sexual matters, others can have a laugh and joke, talk about sex and be quite normal just as you'd find anywhere else, we even have one couple who admit to having sex on the club grounds when they have the place to themselves, we think its a great laugh but they wouldn't consider doing it when there are other members around and I don't think they would get too good a reception if they tried!

                        So sex is there all the time, just not blatantly, or are you suggesting that we should all be getting it off together on the sun lawns, if thats the case you're with the wrong organisation mate, join a swingers club.

                        Pete Knight

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                        • #13
                          Projecting sexuality in nudism

                          Look,one must distinguish between the two terms...Sex,and sexuality.To put it bluntly,and some will disagree,and thats their right,Sex in a manner of speaking is the "pornographic experience manifested by the developement of your sexual awareness"
                          Sexuality has to do with honour,respect,non violence(woman abuse/battering),protection,and acceptance.Sexualityy is the estetic progress to the point where it is physically expressed in the intercourse as love expressed onto and into a physical plain.The act of sex is the physical oneness between lovers during copulation.Sexuality,is the forming of your own identity and sexual orientation.Sexuality is also the process wherby the body is discovred and explored by yourself,aquainting one with ones own prefrences..Nudism is an integral part of sexuality,there is where your sexual identification and orientation is experienced.
                          Looking at a female or a male or a child in the nude,one ,as a nudist sees the sheer beauty of the individual being naked,thus you see the esthetic value of that person or child.Sex expresses the lust and desire part of matured sexuality,once your orientation and identification is finalised.For example,a boy might come to a nudist institution for the first time,and then devellope an erection,as a normal part of his sexual developement,and the sheer pleasure of not being ashamed of his penis when he is seen naked,and sees other naked people is at the very root of that erection.Usualy its just a plain old sensation of freedom.One could say that the stigma of the penis as a general no see area,is suddenly freed and open,and no longer shrouded in mystery and shame and deathly secresy,and one sees that what you have,others have as well.The male especially,that have these first innitial experiences(including boys) find an extacy of freedom,and his most treasured rellic,is open for all to see,notice and appreciate.The erection,hence,is the response of pleasure,not lust,and he desires no sexual act with others.Sexuality is the beauty of others,and brings and builds respect and comfort ,towards others,and with others.
                          Yes,sexuality is a part of nudism,and must be dealt with normaly.Its no shame to experience certain sensations at certain times.Nudism is the hollistic contact of the body with all of nature,trees,earth,wind,water ,sand , grass and others,The sexuality is the awakening of those sensations,bringing it to the open,yet,VOID OF LUST!
                          In short,sexuality is the awakening of pure naked natural pleasure by elements of nature without lust,and deals with the entire human being ,and is purely a sense of emotions never before felt amongst others,triggred by hormones,its a soul thing.
                          Sex deals only with the genitals,only concentrates on the genitals.and is fired by desire,commonly called lust.Equate sexuality with nudism,its natural,but sex,purely because one is nude,thats something totally different.
                          Nudism devellopes and envellopes sexual awareness,and is the breaking down gradually of shaming walls...and body hatred.Nudism gives sexuality confidence,and is expanded to many others.
                          Sex is the climactic release of intense physical love,as I said before,only involving the genitals.Sex is an act,sexuality is a living.One should,and must say that sexuality is at the very basis of nudism,and can be appropriated as such.But one can never appropriate sex to nudism and naturism.Sexuality and sex must be seperated.Bernardc.
                          Last edited by bernardc; 08-31-2008, 07:10 AM. Reason: add ins

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                          • #14
                            Re: The Big "Why Not"

                            Originally posted by curiousgeorge
                            However, is it acceptable for a naked man to openly compliment a naked woman as appearing "very sexy"? Maybe it isn't appropriate for a woman to shake her breasts at men as they walk by or for a man to shake his penis at the women. But is it okay for a naked person to watch a naked person of the opposite sex dance and appreciate the sexual nature of that display?
                            I don't think it's a grey area, the lack of clothing doesn't make it less acceptable.

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                            • #15
                              Re: The Big "Why Not"

                              Originally posted by Christian View Post
                              Why is it that one can't be a nudist and recognize their sexuality? What is the push to keep them two concepts completely separate? I don't understand it.

                              Like, sure, when I go to a nude place (beach/park/whatever) I am not drooling over the bodies and thinking about sex however I do have a sex drive so why do people on this forum - and some other - freak out whenever it is brought up???
                              It sounds to me like you answered your own question here. You can be nude without thinking about sex which is pretty much separating these two concepts.

                              I don't think most of us believe that most nudists don't recognize their sexuality or have sexual thoughts or get freaked out at the thought of sex either. Nudists do recognize that there are other reasons for getting naked besides sex.

                              I do think is important for nudists to distinguish between these to concepts mainly to counter the long entrenched public perception that nudity equals sex and many use these arguments to discredit nudism and get anti nudity laws passed and people arrested etc.

                              By educating people that nudism can be a healthy and wholesome activity hopefully will make it more acceptable or at least tolerated by most people.

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