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    What should be the photography policy at nudist parks?
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    Prohibit all photography except by photographers officially designated by the management.
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    Restrict photography to specific locations where others will not be seen in the background.
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    Permit photography anywhere provided that the subjects provide consent.
    69.23%
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    Permit all photography provided that photos are not shared on the Internet or via other media.
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    Specify no restrictions. Rules can't be enforced now that everyone has a cell phone camera.
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  • #2
    Closest I could get to answering your poll is the second choice; ~~Restrict photography to specific locations where others will not be seen in the background ... except, there are times when you take a picture of a loved one, a close friend and there are other nudists in the background, BUT ... you can't really make out their faces. Should we go over and say "hey, I took this picture of my wife ... and you're in the background but you can't really tell who you are but ... I still need your consent to have taken this photo." I've taken numerous pictures of my wife with others in the background, nude and non nude places and I can honestly say that when I do so at a nude venue, I'm careful not to have other nudists in the frame but if that is the case, they are so far away, the only thing you can possibly make out is that they are male or female.

    This topic is truly a moot point to trying to get clubs or resorts to change their policies. With so many narrow minded nudists out there ... managing, owning or bending the owners/managers ears that "someone's gonna take my picture and put it on the internet, " we'll continue to have these archaic policies that are ONLY enforced on a select few and not everyone. We don't care to have anyone else in our pictures, especially nudes. If we do, it's either family or very close friends. Anyone thinking that they are somehow that desirable to be photographed at a nude club or resort and have issue with it ... should probably just stay home.

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    • #3
      The rule I've seen - and it isn't an option listed here - only take pictures by your campsite and with the consent of all involved. Anyone walking around with a camera gets other people antsy at a nudist resort.

      And yes, some people's pictures have been taken at nudist parks and put on the internet without their knowledge or consent.

      When you go to a nudist park - there is an expectation of privacy, that you aren't there to be photographed.

      Pictures taken at conventions do wind up in "N" -- which is why they have all sign a form -- your picture won't be taken without your consent, AND you are not to take pictures of anyone, either.

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      • #4
        no one's disputing the fact that some pictures of nudists have wound up on the internet ... if that's the concern ... stay home. The expectation of privacy was given up when you chose to visit a club or resort with lots of people you don't know and decided to be naked around all these strangers. No matter how often you go to nudist gatherings, visit clubs, visit resorts ... you can't tell me that you know every single person there and can vouch for their discretion and honesty ... it's just not possible. There's no way to stop a voyeur from taking your picture and putting on the internet. Not sure what everyone else does but when my wife and I visit clubs and resorts ... we don't spend all our time looking for people with cameras, but we do notice everyone on the pool decks, walking throughout the clubs and resorts with their cell phones and tablets. We don't concern ourselves with all of that and think if you do, you're spending too much precious time worrying about something you're not going to stop (the voyeur) and wasting time you could be having enjoying yourself.

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        • #5
          As compared to many exhibitionists, it is my guess that nudists do not expect and will not agree to have pictures taken of them while nude by just anyone. Personal photos or modeling for a camera club photographer excepted. Every effort should be made to make sure unwilling bystanders are NOT included in these photos. The nudist resort that I visit has specific rules regarding photography and even suggest guidelines regarding preferred photo locations and special effort to not include others in the photos. Violation of these simple rules will result in expulsion from the resort. Our resort has an amazing Camera Club. With the model's permission, the better photos are printed and displayed in a club house for all to enjoy.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by usuallylurk View Post
            Anyone walking around with a camera gets other people antsy at a nudist resort.
            ^ This. Not everyone that goes to a nudist resort is a regular member, and even some regular members would prefer their identities not be known in the community yet. Some people have tangible things to lose if their identity as a nudist gets out- loss of job, place of worship, and possibly even marriage or children. Cameras running around everywhere don't have a place at a nudist park, especially with how many creeps there are out there who would post those pictures to porn websites and etc.

            Imo, there needs to be certain locations that are designated and secluded specifically for pictures, so that people can still have photos to remember their experiences by. I'm also okay with having a designated camp photographer that has to ask permission (or better yet, get written permission) before he takes posed shots (volleyball games, bodypainting, etc). While we need to protect people's privacy, we do a lot of harm to nudism by not letting people see what it is really going on, as then they don't know of our existence or are only imagining what is going on.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by FireProf View Post
              no one's disputing the fact that some pictures of nudists have wound up on the internet ... if that's the concern ... stay home. The expectation of privacy was given up when you chose to visit a club or resort with lots of people you don't know and decided to be naked around all these strangers. ".
              Reassuring words for those who are in the "MWWG" category in here (MWWG = "My wife won't go").

              Or, "How to Guarantee that your wife will NEVER go with you" -- tell her that the expectation is she could be photographed and the pics could wind up anywhere.

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              • #8
                In Europe, of course, the law is that faces must be blurred in any published photos (including online) of all children and any adults (clothed or otherwise) who can be personally identified and haven't explicitly consented to specific publication. In the US, the rub is that consent is not required if you are "in public" or in any space where there is no "expectation of privacy."

                I kind of think there need to be international standards that "publishers" can be sued for not respecting. We, personally, don't have different expectations about being photographed clothed or nude, but we have the advantage both of already being known naturists by friends and colleagues and of probably needing so much photoshopping to be eligible for internet voyeurism that nobody would recognize us anyway...

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                • #9

                  Originally posted by usuallylurk View Post

                  Reassuring words for those who are in the "MWWG" category in here (MWWG = "My wife won't go").

                  Or, "How to Guarantee that your wife will NEVER go with you" -- tell her that the expectation is she could be photographed and the pics could wind up anywhere.


                  Come on ... seriously? expect that pictures of you naked could wind up on the internet? It's possible and it's probably happened to people here. But ...


                  lying to the MWWG crowd that "there's a no camera policy, don't worry... a picture of you will never end up on a internet website, all the people that go to "our" club wouldn't do that " ... is telling them the truth? And after you've lied to them and it does happen ... who looks like the fool? Naturism/nudism is serious stuff ... it's not just for kids, it's for adults and adults need to have the facts given to them. Every one of our female nudist friends was given the facts before venturing into social nudism, including my wife. "Is it possible to have a picture of you in the nude end up on the internet? Sure, it's possible" Do we stop going because of that? Hell no! They were all given the facts; pictures - possible, swingers-possible, getting hit on-possible, seeing clothed people at a nude resort- possible ... almost anything is possible and for every story like the one I'm telling, someone will have an opposite side to the story and claim that their story is more trustworthy and truthful than the other side.

                  Is it possible that a voyeur lurks amongst the many nudists at a club or resort ... absolutely it's possible. NOT ever having your picture taken secretly is not being realistic and certainly not honest to any newbie or MWWG member.


                  Maybe you've been lying to yourself all these social nude years!
                  Last edited by FireProf; 08-31-2014, 11:13 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by FireProf View Post
                    Come on ... seriously? expect that pictures of you naked could wind up on the internet? It's possible and it's probably happened to people here. But ...
                    lying to the MWWG crowd that "there's a no camera policy, don't worry... a picture of you will never end up on a internet website, all the people that go to "our" club wouldn't do that " ... is telling them the truth?
                    We were talking about the *EXPECTATION* of privacy. Not that someone could take a picture on the sly and put it somewhere.

                    And most of our nudist resorts afford that EXPECTATION. If the EXPECTATION is explained, it will go further than "we have a no camera policy but don't expect privacy."

                    At a nude beach, there is little such expectation of privacy. In a private nudist resort, it is there.

                    Not that some bozo might get away with something he shouldn't ....

                    Maybe you've been lying to yourself all these social nude years!
                    Uh no maybe not.

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                    • #11
                      Thanks ... you've proved my point!

                      At any nude venue ... if you're EXPECTING privacy, you're kidding yourself. If the fear of your naked image appearing on someone's camera, tablet, laptop, cell phone ... is a concern, stay home OR ... put some clothes on. It's really that simple. EXPECTATION is not ... ABSOLUTE!

                      Can you honestly sit at your computer, and type that you've NEVER seen anyone use their cell phone, tablet or laptop, on the pool deck or adjacent areas at the MANY clubs and resorts you've visited ? Have you ever used your cell phone or tablet in the common areas, pool deck, at your campsite, at your room? How is it that YOU can be trusted?

                      Last edited by FireProf; 09-01-2014, 09:23 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by FireProf View Post
                        Thanks ... you've proved my point!
                        Thanks but you've lost me here.

                        [quote]At any nude venue ... if you're EXPECTING privacy, you're kidding yourself. If the fear of your naked image appearing on someone's camera, tablet, laptop, cell phone ... is a concern, stay home OR ... put some clothes on. It's really that simple. EXPECTATION is not ... ABSOLUTE!{/quote]

                        Ah, here's your comprehension alert! I never said the EXPECTATION was absolute! I said that there was some expectation. Now, Bozo might sneak his camera in, and take a few hot shots and put them on a website. And Bozo will be identified and likely never able to visit a nudist facility in this country again.

                        Can you honestly sit at your computer, and type that you've NEVER seen anyone use their cell phone, tablet or laptop, on the pool deck or adjacent areas at the MANY clubs and resorts you've visited ? Have you ever used your cell phone or tablet in the common areas, pool deck, at your campsite, at your room? How is it that YOU can be trusted?
                        Of course I've used my cell, my tablet at a nudist park. Yesterday I did. We were all checking the weather report. Y'see, I went to a real nudist park yesterday and we had a real outdoor nudist dinner (no we did not dress to dine, see my other posts on that.)

                        But we weren't taking pictures. We were trying to determine if the weather would affect us, and should be move the dining completely indoors? So we were looking at the weather radar. I can't recall if the park owner was looking over my shoulder, but he knew I was checking the weather radar.

                        How is it that I can be trusted? Well, I hold membership in five groups. My memberships are important to me. SO IMPORTANT that I would obey all rules I'm expected to. Nudism is a large part of my life.

                        I am not a "nudist at the keyboard" - but half of a couple that has spent the bulk of vacations for most of the last 35 years going to nudist parks and events. Yes, see my irritating comments on being a "real nudist" not just an "online naturist who dreams about going to a nudist park someday, and hoping his wife will go." We're there. We value and appreciate the privileges. If a first-timer gets caught taking pictures, he will get ousted but probably will cry "Don't tell my mom, OK?" or "Don't tell my wife?" Then again, he might not respect rules and conventions the way I do.

                        That privilege is highly important to me, and I would in no way jeopardize that. I am known in many TNS circles -- so, I RESPECT THE RULES AND THE EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY THAT EXISTS. No doubt a few a***oles will break that peace from time to time, because they don't respect others. And they might not care about being able to come back. After all - most of those have never experienced the joys of SOCIAL nudism. They probably have little social life or their own.

                        But people who know me, know I won't do so. I obey all rules, all the time.

                        That's why I can be trusted, to answer your question.

                        And all I associate with in nudism also respect the rules. Otherwise they don't last in our social circles. They eventually will find a place, but it won't be where I'm at. Park owners and club officers are speaking truthfully when they discuss the realistic expectation of privacy. No it's not perfect or infallible, no one ever claimed it to be. But they do their best to create a comfortable situation, including one for first timers.

                        Someone wants to be a creep? Go to a nude beach. You'll find plenty of people like that there. You want a social nudist experience? If you can play by the rules, visit a nudist park, but obey the rules.

                        On the nudist dinner, if anyone has questions - yes, nude dining, steak and chicken and corn on the cob dining for around 150. You should have been there. Real nudist dining. Real social outing. Desserts prepared by the members. Mrslurk makes a hell of a spice cake. Great day. I'll tell anyone in here about it if they wish...but that's a different subject.
                        Last edited by usuallylurk; 09-01-2014, 03:07 PM.

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                        • #13
                          ^^ Regardless of how well I know you or how many memberships you hold, when I see you with an IPad or a cell phone, I know that you could be taking a photo. If a nudist park doesn't ban such devices, then their rules regarding photography are essentially unenforceable.

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                          • #14
                            Again ... you've proved my point ... whether you want to admit it or not. Go back and re read your post ... you never said "some EXPECTATION" ... but really, that's beside the point.

                            You use your cell phone, your tablet and I don't know you nor does my wife, our friends ... and NO ... you can't be trusted by those that do not know you ... SO ... why do you get to use your cell phone and tablet but yet you want your club to have a policy that forbids use of cell phones and other electronic devices ... who's to say YOU aren't the one taking voyeur pictures? Because "people" that know you, know you won't do that. You obey the rules, all the time? Who's is here to corroborate that story and for your being trustworthy?

                            You've spouted off numerous times about your naturist experiences ... but no one here can vouch for that. You can list all the clubs and resorts you've visited, all the gatherings you've been to ... no one can vouch for that. Who's to say you're not just making all this naturist experience up? How's is anyone to know if you are who you say you are and how experienced a nudist/naturist you really are. Most members are taken at their word, on the net, but ... no one here really knows who you are or if what you say you do is the truth.

                            The fact remains ... this same situation happens at any and all social venues. You don't and can't know EVERYONE unless you're in a small enough function to know everyone as well as you think you know you do. Even you're closest friends could be hiding something from you. It's not a cut and dry issue ... "they know me so I can be trusted." Who's they? Where does everyone else fit in? Are they to also just trust you? Small, close friend gatherings are one thing ... a nude club or resort ... there's NO WAY you can know everyone that well to know who to trust and who not to.

                            Please don't try and get me into an argument about you being a real nudist and visiting nude places and everyone else on here is nothing more than a internet nudist. I can match you club for club, resort for resort, nude beach for nude beach, gathering for gathering ... but I won't and I don't have to. I don't have to continually list my naturist experiences to let everyone know I'm a nudist, I live it, socialize in it, and have as many nudist friends as the next guy but don't have to continually try and justify it. On here ... there's NO WAY to corroborate that and in social situations ... you don't know that the person you're accusing of taking pictures, because he's a new guy, a guy without his wife in tow, a first timer ... isn't as trustworthy as you are and also is a member of 5 groups and isn't a "keyboard nudist" but a real nudist, as you say you are. Besides that ... if you were only checking the weather on your tablet during the nude dinner ... why was the owner of the park looking over your shoulder? Was it to check the weather as well or to ensure you were not taking pictures? It's not that cut and dry to lay blame on others and hold yourself above the rules because "people who know me, know I won't do so. I obey all rules, all the time."

                            Rules are rules and they are only good if you enforce them on EVERYONE. There should be no rules for them and rules for you. If some newbie can't bring in his tablet and cell phone, then you should leave yours in your car or at your room. Either EVERYONE follows the rules or don't have the rule. Just because you're a member of a group or a club/resort, it should not give you any special privileges to circumvent the rules ... if you're a rule follower.

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                            • #15
                              Whatever.... I was beginning to doubt my own posts but then went back and in #3 in this thread, I used the word "expectation".

                              "Please don't try and get me into an argument about you being a real nudist and visiting nude places and everyone else on here is nothing more than a internet nudist."

                              I choose not to argue with you on this topic any further.

                              Yes you could match me club for club. But I'm not going to continue this thread, because you're going way-yyyy-yyyy off topic. In fact, you may be trying to do that to me. Not swallowing the bait.

                              If you ever get east - to New England, let me know. I will show you around the nudist scene, and introduce you to some people. Come to a TNS gathering out this way - you can meet the leadership. I look forward to it.

                              Have a good night.
                              Last edited by usuallylurk; 09-02-2014, 09:22 PM.

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