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  • #16
    Originally posted by Nudony:
    I was reading that beauty pageant were, at least at one time, a common accurrence at nudist resorts. I just really wonder about that. Doesn't that go against some of the basic principles of nudism? A group of women (or even young girls) standing on a stage, and being evaluated and judged according to their measurements? Maybe I'm missing something here. Does anyone here know anything about that?
    I am no expert on this subject, but from old classic nudist magzines from the 1950's and 1960's, Nudist beauty pageants in North America was a very popular event. The majority of those pageants back then, did not judge women on the measurements or how beautiful one could be. It was more of a family event, where men and children was very much apart of the pageants as well. The winners was usually one older male, one young boy, one older female and one younger female. These winners had a special tasks, that was given to them for the year. Such as some kind of volunteer work around the nudist club.



    Today, pageants like the 1950's and 1960's are long gone. Clubs such as the Ponderosa Sun Club for there nudes-a-poppin are not in the same category of the "Good old days". They use Porn Stars and Stripers in their pageants.
    Last edited by whitestokes; 01-02-2008, 11:10 AM. Reason: better fit.

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    • #17
      I think it's an absolute violation of nudist ideals and I'm ashamed that they bear the name "nudist resort".

      The Ponderosa Sun Club's homepage [Link deleted by moderator] bears two links....one to the "resort" and the other to the "nudes-a-poppin" page. Seemingly they are equally weighted as a family resort/pornographic festival. Maybe it's just me....but it always bothers me when people mix together family and porn. Oil and water?

      They are not an AANR club, not TNS, not anything valid that I'm aware off.

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      • #18
        It's a shame too, because it seems like a very nice place. I do not understand why once a year they need to lower their standards to make an extra buck.

        A pageant would be ok in my eyes, but why muck it up with strippers and porn stars. Why cant they do it naturally with everyday people?

        A shame

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        • #19
          Originally posted by DoctorSurferDude:
          I think it's an absolute violation of nudist ideals and I'm ashamed that they bear the name "nudist resort".

          [adult link deleted by moderator] The Ponderosa homepage bears two links....one to the "resort" and the other to the "nudes-a-poppin" page. Seemingly they are equally weighted as a family resort/pornographic festival. Maybe it's just me....but it always bothers me when people mix together family and porn. Oil and water?

          They are not an AANR club, not TNS, not anything valid that I'm aware off.
          I totally agree with DoctorSurferDude. It do hurt nudist ideals, but the concept of the 1950's and 1960's had a lot of meaning behind it. If you ever read any of the old nudist magzines of that time period, they explain the concept behind the pageants, just like I said earlier. It usually drawed in people ( such as newcomer), who later became nudists themself.

          I think the old idea was a good thing, but as for Ponderosa Sun Club it set nudism back for a 100 years.

          whitestokes

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          • #20
            it started before the Ponderosa got involved. It started accross the street at Naked City U.S.A.Truckstop . (Now closed) It was a C/O resort, with contests nearly every weekend, for both
            genders. (with truck parking) Charged $20.oo admission for one day admission, truckdrivers got in for half price. Clothing option antire resort, but must be nude to use any equipment, hot tub, swimming pool etc. This was the location of my first introduction to nudity in public. I stayed nude all the time, so it couldnt be all bad.
            They got into trouble with law, so Ponderosa picked up the contest run twice a summer

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            • #21
              I think as culture began to see and treat women equally, the beauty pagent thing faded some. I would guess they still have them sometimes. But I think compared to 50 years ago, we have a different mindset when it comes to beauty, ideals, feminism, and humanity.

              Nudes-a-poppin....that's just sad. I think all it is, is a stripper/porn contest. Exhibitionism at it's best...or worst. Why did you even post that Jason Lee? It is definately not a nudist beauty pagent and I don't think has a thing to do with nudism.

              ...Well, even nudism has a "dark side". Beware of the dark side.

              Fresh Air

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              • #22
                Originally posted by bare one:
                it started before the Ponderosa got involved. It started accross the street at Naked City U.S.A.Truckstop . (Now closed) It was a C/O resort, with contests nearly every weekend, for both
                genders. (with truck parking) Charged $20.oo admission for one day admission, truckdrivers got in for half price. Clothing option antire resort, but must be nude to use any equipment, hot tub, swimming pool etc. This was the location of my first introduction to nudity in public. I stayed nude all the time, so it couldnt be all bad.
                They got into trouble with law, so Ponderosa picked up the contest run twice a summer
                Sad, sad, sad! I really don't see the difference between Nudes-a-poppin and the Girls Gone Wild videos. Oh yeah, by the way, nudes-a-poppin is also sold on video, just like Girl Gone Wild. So tell me again the difference. Also, on my picture attachment, I am not sure, but I think I only see people with clothes on in the background and that's also every picture from the Nudes-a-poppin website as well.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Fresh Air:
                  I think as culture began to see and treat women equally, the beauty pagent thing faded some. I would guess they still have them sometimes. But I think compared to 50 years ago, we have a different mindset when it comes to beauty, ideals, feminism, and humanity.

                  Nudes-a-poppin....that's just sad. I think all it is, is a stripper/porn contest. Exhibitionism at it's best...or worst. Why did you even post that Jason Lee? It is definately not a nudist beauty pagent and I don't think has a thing to do with nudism.

                  ...Well, even nudism has a "dark side". Beware of the dark side.

                  Fresh Air
                  "Dark side" That's a good one.
                  I guess Ponderosa Sun Club, is the Revenge of the Sith?
                  But that was funny Fresh Air.

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                  • #24
                    "Pageants" were at one time a staple of many of the old ASA nudist clubs (ASA is now AANR). That was a time when mainstream beauty pageants were still seen as wholesome and uplifting, and every town, hamlet and county fair held a local pageant. It was only natural that the small community within the fences of the nudist clubs would do the same. Those clubs were closer to their FKK forebears than modern clubs are, so health and fitness (as expressed by attractiveness) were seen as appropriate subjects for competition. These were most often family pageants - while the main event would be the pageant queen, there were also competitions among the men, kids of various age groups, and even family groups.

                    Gradually the nudist pageants fell from favor, the body exhaultation began to be seen as more and more at odds with body acceptance and respect. There may be an AANR or TNS club that still holds pageants among their membership, but I'm not aware of any.

                    The only existing "pageants" that I'm aware of are part of the adult entertainment business (Ponderosa Sun Club's "Nudes-a-popping"), or are "lifestyle" pageants for swingers (Northhaven Resort's "Miss Northhaven" pageant is a feeder contest for the "Ms No-Swimsuit" swinger pageant). Neither of these clubs are AANR or TNS affiliated precisely because of their non-family friendly pageants and policies.

                    -Mark

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                    • #25
                      Pageants are not good in my opinion anyway but to mix in a stripper fest with a family nudist resort is very irresponsible. I've seen clips from the Nudes a Poppin video and it's VERY vulgar and tasteless. It's basically Girls Gone Wild but in a little ole Indiana "nudist" resort instead of exotic spring break locales. I would never visit Ponderosa. Haven't they ever heard of holding a bake sale?

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                      • #26
                        Hooked, you are making a lot of sense. And no kidding, a bake sale, anything would sure be better than selling out everything nudism stands for to keep their resort open.

                        And just because Ponderosa is not affiliated with AANR, it still tarnishes social nudism just a bit. The man on the street probably doesn't know the distinction between family resorts and those that walk on the wild side.

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                        • #27
                          Ponderosa Sun Club does say itís a Family Nudist Resort, Not Clothing Optional, but goes on to say Woman on first visit may disrobe or uncover at their leisure.

                          No cameras or cell phones allowed
                          and non-affiliated 25 wk or weekend $30 day

                          The nudes a popping pageant BRING YOUR CAMERA $50 A PERSON, and I notice most all in background are textile.

                          I think they sacrifice being affiliated for a couple of pageants for the $$$$

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                          • #28
                            Saw a Mrs Nude World and Mr Nude Universe. It was pretty silly at times, esp. Mr. Nude Universe: mostly a popularity contest of those round the club. This club tho tends to be into the dress up and nude women with lipstick and jewellry.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Naturist Mark:
                              "Pageants" were at one time a staple of many of the old ASA nudist clubs (ASA is now AANR). That was a time when mainstream beauty pageants were still seen as wholesome and uplifting, and every town, hamlet and county fair held a local pageant. It was only natural that the small community within the fences of the nudist clubs would do the same. Those clubs were closer to their FKK forebears than modern clubs are, so health and fitness (as expressed by attractiveness) were seen as appropriate subjects for competition. These were most often family pageants - while the main event would be the pageant queen, there were also competitions among the men, kids of various age groups, and even family groups.

                              Gradually the nudist pageants fell from favor, the body exhaultation began to be seen as more and more at odds with body acceptance and respect. There may be an AANR or TNS club that still holds pageants among their membership, but I'm not aware of any.

                              The only existing "pageants" that I'm aware of are part of the adult entertainment business (Ponderosa Sun Club's "Nudes-a-popping"), or are "lifestyle" pageants for swingers (Northhaven Resort's "Miss Northhaven" pageant is a feeder contest for the "Ms No-Swimsuit" swinger pageant). Neither of these clubs are AANR or TNS affiliated precisely because of their non-family friendly pageants and policies.

                              -Mark
                              It is nice to hear wise words, from a very educated man. Naturist Mark, you have really done your home work. But Naturist Mark, do you remember NAKED USA in Texas video by the late David Ball from Heritage Videos collection. It was filmed in the 1980's and showed a beauty pageants in Texas. From the video, the beauty pageant was done with the ideas of naturism.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Naturist Mark:
                                "Pageants" were at one time a staple of many of the old ASA nudist clubs (ASA is now AANR). That was a time when mainstream beauty pageants were still seen as wholesome and uplifting,

                                etc.

                                -Mark
                                The beauty pageants went out of vogue in North American nudist parks in the mid-1980s or so.

                                A highlight of the ASA and its regional conventions were the "royal pageants". But they were quietly dropped for exactly the reasons you stated. They would have a "senior royal couple", a young-to-middle age royal couple, a teen royal couple, and a kids' couple. Pictures, crowns, flowers, plaques, etc.

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