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    Does anyone feel we are creating a job market where nudists would only be hired by other nudists? I wonder about this sometimes and am concerned that we may suffer silent discrimination if the hiring parties view nudism as a political "risk factor" when evaluating prospective candidates. I realize this may be viewing the issue from a negative perspective, and I do not want to foster that at all, but what do others feel the climate is towards nudists?

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    Re: Nudist and employment

    If the job requires nudity, or if there is going to be nudity on the 'job site', then the person filling out the application should be aware of the surroundings. If a person was hired without knowing about nudity in the surroundings and a nude person suddenly shows up unexpected, then I would place blame on the hiring individual(s). I believe there was a thread on this very subject some time back. In any case, I believe everyone, textiles included, should be given a chance to apply. If the person is offended by the nudity, then they shouldn't apply for the position.

    It's almost like a person gets hired to work in a bar where smoking is permited, then all of a sudden that person complains of the smoke. As long as the person is aware of the surroundings from the git go, then there shouldn't be an issue at all.

    The only difference would be, if an establishment was originally 'textiles only' then decided to convert to allow for nudists, then there could be issues and the employees would definately have a say.

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    • #3
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      There are actually three groups in the employer/employee calculation -- textiles, no-problem-textiles, and naturists.

      A couple decades ago when we were in Switzerland, I placed a help-wanted ad reading something like "Naturist household seeks once-a-week housekeeper..." that attracted responses from both no-prob textiles and other naturists. We consciously tried not to be clothing-biased in choosing, but between our two favourite candidates, ended up hiring the naturist.

      The flip-side -- whether non-naturist employers hesitate to hire naturists -- we've never encountered a problem, either in Europe or the US. The times it's come up, like once when I was interviewing to teach at a US community college, I just explained the general philosophy, not only of respecting people whether clothed or not, but of respecting dress codes and in fact liking to dress well when teaching, and there was no problem. Experienced interviewers can tell pretty quick if somebody is going to be a "risk factor". My wife, who is in HR, says they are much more tuned into looking out for certain personality types, so it is much more about how you respond (eg. clear and confident vs mumbling and defensive).

      I only see a textile bias having an impact in really small companies where the boss or clients are strongly anti-nudist for some reason. Or, as discussed elsewhere, in specific professions, like grade-school teachers, where an institution is big enough that the parents don't know the teachers personally. Almost all textiles who know the person behind the "naturist" label become no-prob-textiles, so I suspect discrimination would have to hit the sweet-spot between big enough not to know people personally and not big enough to have trained HR staff.

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      • #4
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        I really do not understand what this question has to do with an employment situation. It is like asking whether an employer who likes pancakes for breakfast would take on someone who hates them, or a chess-player take on a non-player, or someone without children take on someone with a family. All, in 99.99% of cases, completely irrelevant to the issue. It is unnecessary to make a declaration of one's personal interests, religion, literary tastes, etc in seeking employment, other than in exceptional circumstances.

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        • #5
          Re: Nudist and employment

          Originally posted by atalanta View Post
          I really do not understand what this question has to do with an employment situation. It is like asking whether an employer who likes pancakes for breakfast would take on someone who hates them, or a chess-player take on a non-player, or someone without children take on someone with a family. All, in 99.99% of cases, completely irrelevant to the issue. It is unnecessary to make a declaration of one's personal interests, religion, literary tastes, etc in seeking employment, other than in exceptional circumstances.
          Ditto,

          Does not seem relavent to most any jobs I can think of. For myself, I am hoping the trend of working from home finally catches up to me because what I do can be done from home so easily. It's not just that I can work naked at home, but I especially like the fact that I could live anywhere.

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          • #6
            Re: Nudist and employment

            Originally posted by atalanta View Post
            I really do not understand what this question has to do with an employment situation. It is like asking whether an employer who likes pancakes for breakfast would take on someone who hates them, or a chess-player take on a non-player, or someone without children take on someone with a family. All, in 99.99% of cases, completely irrelevant to the issue. It is unnecessary to make a declaration of one's personal interests, religion, literary tastes, etc in seeking employment, other than in exceptional circumstances.
            I understand and agree with what you are saying but... I think the OP was headed in this direction:

            If an employer can go into your "personal" (off the job, off duty) hobbies or past times, on the internet, and research your..."interests" can they then deny you employment because of those interests?...are we nudists, possibly, only hirable to other nudists?

            Don't take this idea in another direction. WE are talking about naturism and not porn or other sexual "hobbies" someone might have. If a person feels he/she is doing absolutely NOTHING wrong in being a nudist and participating in naturist activities and is willing to be open and honest about it...is it safe to say that being open and honest about his lifestyle, the organizations he/she belongs to....just like (Rotary/Lions, VFW, Elks...) can be detrimental to his/her possible employment?

            I tried to reply earlier but the cybergremlins ate my previous post. One employer I'm certain will frown upon our naturist lifes and or activities was the school system...especially those jobs where you are in immediate contact with children. Societies thoughts on our lifestyle and our activities hasn't matured enough to accept what it is we do and how we live.

            With the internet's growth and technology...it's hard to keep anything a secret anymore. So those that are willing to be completely honest, in my opinion, take some risks with certain careers and job applications...unless the employer is mature enough to understand naturism or is a naturist him/herself, which might be where the OP was going with this thread!

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            • #7
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              FireProf - OK, I buy that. You make a very valid point. Just goes to emphasize what has been said so many times already: be very careful what personal information you make available on the internet, including social networks, and take your privacy settings seriously. Keeping personal interests private is not lying!

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              • #8
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                It's not only nudist and employment, but a person's privet life and the skills to do the job should be seperate.

                I don't talk about the fact I enjoy being nude unless it comes up in conversation which isn't very often.

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                • #9
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                  Speaking about that, I was reading in my workplace intranet Today about a new high-rank employee to took the position recently.
                  There was the typical bio, stating his prior achievements, what he will contribute to the office, and aspects of his private life, like he enjoys hiking, playing tennis,and reading, and in the Winter, Ski trips to mountain resort. While I was reading it, I was wondering what would happen if someone wrote: he enjoys nude recreation, and in the Summers, visits different nude resorts and clothing opitonšl beaches with his family. And I also wondered how many of us are there, not able to state their real prefrences, just because it is not considered mainstream!

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                  • #10
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                    I can tell you One thing. One time my employer, a female, asked to friend me on facebook.
                    I accepted. A few days after she saw that I was friends with AANR and a few clubs she deleted me.
                    Her attitude towards me changed completely from being friendly to looking at me like I had a screw loose.
                    I found out from a very trusted family member and mutual friend that she was freaked out by naturism.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Nudist and employment

                      Originally posted by NJNude1965 View Post
                      I don't talk about the fact I enjoy being nude unless it comes up in conversation which isn't very often. :yes:
                      With that being said, how about the other way around? By that, I mean nudists targeting nudist as customers/clients. Is there exclusion of non-nudists/naturists?

                      I am one of many licensed Massaged Therapists on this site. I don't specificaly target other nudists/naturists, but in my postings on the local Crigslist page, I note that "if comfortable, clients are allowed to be nude and/or undraped on the massage table during the session". Also I give discounts to TNS, AANR, and affiliated card holders. The post is geared toward anyone looking to recieve non-sexual massage services, at the same time indicating that nudists can practice social nudism if they choose to come to me. Email me directly if you care to read the listing. The fact that I am a nudist is not indicated in my postings, and only if it comes up in conversation will I mention that it is a part of my life. I don't feel it is something that needs to be broadcast to the world; not everyone has a favorable or accurate view of nudists. Feel free to commet.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Nudist and employment

                        Originally posted by Triker View Post
                        I can tell you One thing. One time my employer, a female, asked to friend me on facebook.
                        I accepted. A few days after she saw that I was friends with AANR and a few clubs she deleted me.
                        Her attitude towards me changed completely from being friendly to looking at me like I had a screw loose.
                        I found out from a very trusted family member and mutual friend that she was freaked out by naturism.
                        I don't FB friend anyone that isn't familiar with me, incuding naturism and paganism and my political viewpoints. Too many business people have no idea who I am when I'm not in the business world and they don't need to know. If anyone asks I will tell them the truth, but I even had a purchasing agent that I worked with from a vendor for 4 years freak out and unfriend me pretty quick when I posted info about a trip to a C/O hot springs. It's like she immediately thought I was a perv, even though we had broke bread and worked for years together.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Nudist and employment

                          There are many interesting comments here. We are a nudist family living in our walled compound of over an acre. We have hired a gardner, pool company, and housekeeper for both the main house and guest house. All of these employees know that we are nudists and rarely are clothed while in the compound. While our housekeeper prefers to remain clothed she frequently brings her three children with her, especially when school is out, to enjoy our pool. They do so with our family nude. The gardner will frequently strip down when working within the compound wall and also likes to cool off with a quick dip. Our pool guy always remains clothed, even when we are in the pool upon his arrival. He indicated that his company would "frown upon" his doing anything else.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Nudist and employment

                            Originally posted by atalanta View Post
                            I really do not understand what this question has to do with an employment situation. It is like asking whether an employer who likes pancakes for breakfast would take on someone who hates them, or a chess-player take on a non-player, or someone without children take on someone with a family. All, in 99.99% of cases, completely irrelevant to the issue. It is unnecessary to make a declaration of one's personal interests, religion, literary tastes, etc in seeking employment, other than in exceptional circumstances.
                            Well, it is relevant if the hiring party is able to perform a search on your name and determines (easily) you are a nudist. I know "official" discrimination on the basis of many factors (sexual orientation being one) is illegal, and I also heard many years ago that participation in nudism was NOT regarded as a risk factor for people required to obtain/hold a security clearance for their job, but still the whole thing got me thinking. Our subculture is a unique and diverse one, but do we have enough of a base of people to NOT worry about where the next job will come from?

                            This is what I was thinking about in the original posting. I apologize for not following up sooner!

                            ~ Den

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                            • #15
                              Re: Nudist and employment

                              Originally posted by FireProf View Post
                              I understand and agree with what you are saying but... I think the OP was headed in this direction:

                              If an employer can go into your "personal" (off the job, off duty) hobbies or past times, on the internet, and research your..."interests" can they then deny you employment because of those interests?...are we nudists, possibly, only hirable to other nudists?

                              Don't take this idea in another direction. WE are talking about naturism and not porn or other sexual "hobbies" someone might have. If a person feels he/she is doing absolutely NOTHING wrong in being a nudist and participating in naturist activities and is willing to be open and honest about it...is it safe to say that being open and honest about his lifestyle, the organizations he/she belongs to....just like (Rotary/Lions, VFW, Elks...) can be detrimental to his/her possible employment?

                              I tried to reply earlier but the cybergremlins ate my previous post. One employer I'm certain will frown upon our naturist lifes and or activities was the school system...especially those jobs where you are in immediate contact with children. Societies thoughts on our lifestyle and our activities hasn't matured enough to accept what it is we do and how we live.

                              With the internet's growth and technology...it's hard to keep anything a secret anymore. So those that are willing to be completely honest, in my opinion, take some risks with certain careers and job applications...unless the employer is mature enough to understand naturism or is a naturist him/herself, which might be where the OP was going with this thread!

                              Thanks FireProf, you got the idea and took it a few extra yards! Also, in regards to your reply, there seems to be a growing number of people I see in naturism who (apparently) feel comfortable describing themselves as "teachers". See how I turned that around? Not a teacher who is a naturist, but a naturist who happens to teach for a living.

                              HERE'S AN ADDITION: I suppose if a person establishes they have BEEN a naturist or nudist for ten or twenty years and have no history of running afoul of the law (e.g. no criminal record), then this might serve as a testimony on their behalf. If your grade schoolmates knew of your family as nudists, or college buddies knew, or previous co-workers knew AND they happened to get interviewed on your character, then this also would establish a long (responsible?) history with what becomes just another social interest.

                              Ahhh, I think I may have just proposed an answer to my own original scenario!

                              Thanks to everyone who participated.
                              ~ Den

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