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    I am a member of a gym here and I was finishing getting changed in the locker rooms, as usual, when there was a knock on the door and a girl of about 17 or 18 marched straight in. I was the only man in there at the time. She was a member of a ballet club which uses the facilities and was looking for a male member and she asked me, in Swedish, if I had seen him. I said I hadn't and I told her off in quite strong terms about barging in like that. She protested that she had knocked, but I pointed out that a knock does not mean that users know that a female is the person knocking, and that those of us getting changed would not have had any time to cover our modesty. I also pointed out that, had the situation been reversed and I had barged into the female locker room in that fashion, I have no doubt that some female users would have been less than happy. She tried to defend herself with something about the fact that, in ballet theatres etc, there is usually communal changing for both sexes (that was news to me!!) and nobody is bothered. I pointed out that this was a gym, not a ballet threatre, and if dancers wanted to continue to use the facilities, they should respect the general rules which apply to gyms.

    While I appreciate that nudists would perhaps be less bothered than I was, but I am sure most would agree with me that she was in the wrong. The experience did leave me a bit shaken; I have never thought twice about getting changed in this locker room before because it was a strictly males-only environment, and now I am tempted to get changed under a towel, as I would on a public beach, which is crazy. I won't do that, of course, but I will certainly be making a complaint if this happens again.

    Stu

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    Time to grow up, Stu.

    She's from a different society that our silly one.

    Dressing rooms and toilets ought to be unisex, to save money on facilities needed. Women often line up for a stall. I've told them many times at such lineups that the men's room is open. It's not against the law.

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      Ralph

      Dressing rooms and toilets ought to be unisex, to save money on facilities needed
      You are entitled to your view on that, but I disagree - and I reckon the majority of the population would disagree, also. Besides, this wasn't a unisex changing toom - it was a men's changing room.

      Women often line up for a stall. I've told them many times at such lineups that the men's room is open. It's not against the law.
      I have never seen this anywhere in Europe, Ralph. If any woman came into toilets I was using, she would be told in no uncertain terms to get out - just as a man would in a ladies' toilet.

      Stu

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      • #4
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        I suspect the young woman was trying to get a quickie look at any man in the locker room,the ballet excuse is fabricated,there is a medical condition requiring counseling,some even participate in social activities to increase there opportunities to do this .its a thrill for them an a type of sexual excitement.her quick defense shows she is a veteran at this,it would have been best to notify the management right away an put a stop to her game ,in the long run it will become obvious to her associates she has a problem.

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        • #5
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          While I can believe that ballet dancer may have to make a very quick change together in the wings of a stage between ongoing scenes of the ballet, I don't believe that this give her an excuse for her rudeness at your gym. If in a nudist park or other nudist venue this is acceptable, if allowed.

          I have also seen on TV that a ballet company (in Europe ?) where the men and women had the same dressing room.
          Last edited by David77; 04-06-2012, 06:37 AM.

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          • #6
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            Originally posted by nakenone View Post
            I suspect the young woman was trying to get a quickie look at any man in the locker room,the ballet excuse is fabricated,there is a medical condition requiring counseling,some even participate in social activities to increase there opportunities to do this .its a thrill for them an a type of sexual excitement.her quick defense shows she is a veteran at this,it would have been best to notify the management right away an put a stop to her game ,in the long run it will become obvious to her associates she has a problem.
            Is all of that meant seriously or just in mockery of Stu?

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            • #7
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              I think she merely failed to make a distinction between the perhaps more open ballet environment, and the "outside" world. It was all very innocent IMO; she just wasn't thinking.

              Personally, and maybe that's just me; I would have also been startled. Not angry; just startled.

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                David77

                I have also seen on TV that a ballet company (in Europe ?) where the men and women had the same dressing room.
                Aha! That would explain a lot! I guess I would have just assumed that ballet dancers would be just like sportsmen, swimmers or athletes and they would have male and female changing.

                NudonyII

                she merely failed to make a distinction between the perhaps more open ballet environment, and the "outside" world. It was all very innocent IMO; she just wasn't thinking.
                I think what you say is probably a fair assessment - she had a "ballet head" on and didn't appreciate that she wasn't in a ballet environment, and that men guys at a gym working out with weights are not quite so relaxed about females entering their changing area.

                Anyway, this is one young lady who is now in no doubt that a men's changing area in a gym is well and truly out of bounds. I hope she shares that information with her fellow "artists", if they wish to avoid the wrath of Stu .

                Stu

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                • #9
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                  Originally posted by ibrahim View Post
                  Is all of that meant seriously or just in mockery of Stu?
                  I don't know either but wonder why Stu started this thread. Just seems something else he wants to argue about to get a rise.

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                  • #10
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                    I can see the point in Stu's thread. It's a whole point in nudity also. Rules are rules. If it is a locker room for males only, then it is for males only. If it is for females, then females. Not everybody is a nudist or likes to see or being seen nude. I would't have flinched if a woman, knowingly, enters a shower room or any room where I might be naked, provided SHE IS AWARE that she may encounter nude males inside. But not everybody is the same.
                    There are nudist resorts that do not accept single men, and if a single man shows up, he will be asked to leave.

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                    • #11
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                      Regardless of one's feelings about nudity, Stu was right, and the young lady was dead wrong.

                      I agree, she probably wasn't thinking, but her excuse of what they do in a ballet venue was a flimsy one at best. Rather than argue the point, she should have just apologized, excused herself, and left the area.


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                      • #12
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                        Stu, get over it. No harm was done, she did not hurt you in any way. You have a choice here, let it go or let it bother you. I already know what you choice is. I am not saying if she was right or wrong, just get over it, it is not worth you getting your panties in a wad over something that harmless.

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                        • #13
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                          After her knock, it would have been wise if she would have yelled out a couple times to determine whether any man was there. Hopefully a man would have time to yell back. He would also recognise that the voice was female.

                          I suppose that most men have had some occasion were we had to yell out to see if a woman was present in the room, possibly in a state of undress, or to learn whether some one was still there, before barging into the area. If a place is designated for one or the other gender it means "stay out", to the other gender. Sometimes a parent or a friend, of the opposite gender, will yell out at a locker door to see if some person is still there.
                          Last edited by David77; 04-06-2012, 03:12 PM.

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                          • #14
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                            What's the problem? There is no nudity in most locker rooms anymore, so why is there an issue? Heck, the few of us who aren't afraid of locker room nudity (like me) don't really care if we are walked in on, she may not like what she sees, but it isn't going to hurt me.

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                            • #15
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                              Interesting divergence of views here. Some say "Stu, get over it" - I was annoyed by her behaviour but I am "over it". Others here are more sympathetic to my concern.

                              She might have been correct about the lack of inhibitions in ballet school but, as some have recognised, a gym is not a ballet school. As David says, she could have shouted - or simply knocked a couple of times and waited: I would have answered the door and helped her. She didn't do that, she just barged in.

                              Mark says: "There is no nudity in most locker rooms anymore" - there certainly is nudity in this one because there are showers and a sauna and they are well used, especially when there are team sports like volleyball sessions. I don't get naked myself, but I do strip down to my underwear and I would feel quite embarrassed for a strange woman to see me like that. The sign on the door says "OMKLńDNING HERRAR " making it clear that this is a single-sex environment for men only and I reckon she should hacve respected that.

                              I was a member of a gym in the UK and eventually I was elected chairman of the "Users' Committee". We transformed our changing rooms by having individual cubicles and shower stalls. That system has pros and cons, the main advantage being that everyone had privacy. The drawbacks are firstly that it is more expensive, secondly it accommodates fewer people changing at the same time because there is less space available and, thirdly, it mitigates against the socialising which occurs in communal changing. When the young lady barged in on me as she did it reminded me of why we opted to make the transformation we did.

                              Stu

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