The Middle East....NRA, etc and arguing....

[Illinois59]

Romney sounds very Presidential with his statement AFTER the attack.

The statement issued by the Embassy BEFORE the incident was an apology. To a culture that intellectually remains in the 12th century.....that is justification for violence.

Can you explain what makes Rmoney's statement different than the statement issued by the Embassy? Like Mark, I don't see the difference in meanings of the two statements. Please, an explanation of the difference in meanings and not just the right wing non-explanation "an apology."

[Gloria]

Do you think that the Vatican is also sending countless death squads after Obama over the contraception issue?

Oh that's all over with....that's settled.

Right after the attack in Egypt and Libya, president Obama said: The United States rejects all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others --"

Therefore we expect a repeal of that part of Obamacare that offends the beliefs of the Catholic Church any day now.

I was thinking that if the death squad members wore uniforms similar to the Swiss Guard members, blending into a crowd might be an issue for them.

That would be difficult. But I think that the modern day Vatican Death Squads wear white tunics with bright red crosses on the chest. They all wear "Chopard" sunglasses so as to blend in with crowds.

[Yogi Bare]

I'm sure you remember how the whole country rallied around Serrano to defend his First Amendment rights and protect him from the countless death squads sent from the Vatican.

"countless death squads sent from the Vatican" ?
How utterly absurd and untrue! Just another bit of fantasy creativity. Guess the Tea party is as much anti-Catholic as anti-Muslim.

"the whole country rallied around Serrano to defend his First Amendment rights" ?
Yet another bit of fantasy creativity involving historical revisionism. Actually:

Serrano became a figure whom Senator Jesse Helms, and Senator Alphonse D'Amato, as well as other cultural conservatives, attacked for producing offensive art.
Source: Wikipedia

So much for the whole country defending him. Just look at who was opposed.

[Gloria]

Can you explain what makes Rmoney's statement different than the statement issued by the Embassy? Like Mark, I don't see the difference in meanings of the two statements. Please, an explanation of the difference in meanings and not just the right wing non-explanation "an apology."

Sure, happy to....

Romney's statement came AFTER the attack. As a president's statement should. Unless the president knew the attack was eminent and was hoping to prevent it by appeasing the un-appeasable.

Romney was speaking as a presidential candidate and, as such made a good statement. He did not go off on a "what I would do when I'm President" rant. Nor did he make excuses.

The statement from the Embassy was a plea......"please don't attack us.... we spit on Americans who exercise their free speech rights."

Why would a U.S. Embassy make such a woosey statement if it didn't know something was going to happen??? Why was it not a stern warning and a demand for additional police and military protection...or else. Why did it contain bold lies? "we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions." "Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy.".....Catholic Church and Obamacare comes to mind...................

[Gloria]

"countless death squads sent from the Vatican" ?
How utterly absurd and untrue! Just another bit of fantasy creativity. Guess the Tea party is as much anti-Catholic as anti-Muslim.

"the whole country rallied around Serrano to defend his First Amendment rights" ?
Yet another bit of fantasy creativity involving historical revisionism. Actually:

Serrano became a figure whom Senator Jesse Helms, and Senator Alphonse D'Amato, as well as other cultural conservatives, attacked for producing offensive art.
Source: Wikipedia

So much for the whole country defending him. Just look at who was opposed.

Yogi.....do you think Serrano's life was ever in danger then or now??

Do you think the producer of that silly anti Muslim film, or the actors, or anyone remotely related to it feel safe and secure here at home???

[Illinois59]

Sure, happy to....

Romney's statement came AFTER the attack. As a president's statement should. Unless the president knew the attack was eminent and was hoping to prevent it by appeasing the un-appeasable.

Romney was speaking as a presidential candidate and, as such made a good statement. He did not go off on a "what I would do when I'm President" rant. Nor did he make excuses.

The statement from the Embassy was a plea......"please don't attack us.... we spit on Americans who exercise their free speech rights."

Why would a U.S. Embassy make such a woosey statement if it didn't know something was going to happen??? Why was it not a stern warning and a demand for additional police and military protection...or else. Why did it contain bold lies? "we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions." "Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy.".....Catholic Church and Obamacare comes to mind...................

Just more twisting like in a bag of pretzels. So where is the "apology?"

[OZJames]

Right after the attack in Egypt and Libya, president Obama said: The United States rejects all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others --" Therefore we expect a repeal of that part of Obamacare that offends the beliefs of the Catholic Church any day now.

Hey Gloria, I think you are going a bit overboard on your reasoning here. The film was made specifically to offend Muslims and to inflame anger and violence against America. The reason someone would want to do that is impossible to guess though we are all trying. Obamacare was created to help give the American public in general a better health care system (more like the the good healthcare system we have in Australia) and was NOT DESIGNED to offend anybody.

[Kouak]

The statement issued by the Embassy BEFORE the incident was an apology.

How is it an apology? Where does it show that the US is contrite?

[NakedGary]

Quote by NakedGary on Post #92

This is the full uncensored (13 minute) movie about which the middle East are pissing and moaning about: [And Google/YouTube is leaving up.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAhDU_7ieMk

The 48,346KB Video Referenced here is no longer available. YouTube says it has been removed by the User.

The Video is available at an alternate URL:

http://tinyurl.com/98xx6dy

[Kouak]

Right after the attack in Egypt and Libya, president Obama said: The United States rejects all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others --"

Therefore we expect a repeal of that part of Obamacare that offends the beliefs of the Catholic Church any day now.

Are we going back to this misinformation? I am sure if your Catholic Church bought an oil well in the Gulf, you would cry foul if they were required to put in a blowout preventer. After all, they should not be required to follow the laws and rules when they branch out into non-religious industries.