Wow! A lot to answer here. While I do recognise there is such a thing as non-sexual nudity, I am also a product of my culture in that I perceive nudity as something which generally only occurs in either bathing or sex. I do not perceive it as having any other role.
Offence does seem like a logical thing, but through brainwashing: the manipulation of the mind's perception of reality against it's natural common sense, offence can be "programmed" to be triggered by literally anything, regardless of absurdity -
It's not "brainwashing" so much as cultural conditioning - and we are all culturally conditioned as it goes with being a sophisticated and civilised human being. I am quite content with my cultural conditioning as i see it as part of my cultural identity and do not wish to be "de-programmed".
I think offense can still exist in a logical mind. Though not nearly as many triggers, a logical mind must be much more reasonable in it's justification for offence.
For example, I am personally offended by theives. I think they are worthless parasites who are completely selfish. When they steal from me, I feel violated, like I'm just some piece of dirt they can freely pass over on their way to their destination in hell, kicking and spreading through the air. I'm offended because I know that my life means nothing to these leeches, that to them, I'm just a lifeless stepping stone who has no needs.
I wouldn't call that "being offended" because it is something which causes material harm as well as the emotional distress.
I don't find "the sight of women offensive", but rather the sight of women who are what I consider to be inappropriately naked to be offensive - it is a kind of visual assault on my sensibilities. It's the same with men.If you are a man who finds the sight of women more offensive then the sight of men, unless you are gay (no offence intended), this seems to imply that you associate nudity as a corruptive thing rather then sexually deviant. Seems more of a religious mentality then a cultural one.
But when you say offence is not logical, this seems to sound like you mean it's normal for offence to be completely unjustified, as to lack logic is to lack reason - to be offended by something when there is no reason to be offended by it. "I'm offended because the tree outside my house has 3,230 leaves." If it is acceptable to be offended by nudity without a logical reason, then shouldn't the statement in quotation marks for example be equally valid?
Offence isn't a rational response - it is entirely generated within the mind of the offended individual. We are offended because we are human and we have values and taboos which are culturally founded, and some behaviours are perceived as threatening these.
When I rediscovered nudism, and I word it this way because all humans seem to be converted to textile by either their parents, the media or their peers, I was very upset.
I felt that I had been decieved as an infant into thinking that my body was not normal, and had the choice and knowledge of nudism kept away from me. For me, rediscovering nudism was liberating not because it was something new, but something old that had been snatched away from me at birth. I felt that society had no right to take away my freedom of expression.
OK, you had an issue and nudism helped you to resolve it.
I don't know much about your Constitution, although I doubt many US judges would see it that way. I do consider that those of us who want to live in a nudity-free environment also have rights. That's why it's good that there are places set aside for people like you to practice and enjoy your nudity but without bothering people like me.I even consider the law against nudism to be a violation of the American constitution. Do you agree that the requirement of clothing violates freedom of expression?
We can recalibrate our sensibilities in just about any way we like. My eldest daughter is a doctor and she had to recalibrate her sensibilities at her first day in medical school at the age of 18 when she was presented with a corpse and had to dissect it. I recall reading an article by a deeply religious and conservative woman who was a janitor at a film studio that was taken over by a porn company. We can get used to pretty much anything if we have to - but that doesn't mean we should.But something that doesn't make sense is that you feel confident that you can "recalibrate your sensibilities" if you wished but prefer to be as you are. Ordinarily for those who do not understand nudism, this is understandable as something new can be scary. They are too scared to calibrate themselves as you put it. But you as a member of this board, do understand nudism. You must be aware that if you were to visit a nudist resort and meet any one of us, nothing would be any different then if you visited a textile resort.
So with this in mind, the fact that you understand nudism, which in turn understand the liberating feel and experience of it, that you never considered giving it a try to expand your horizons, I find very surprising indeed. Especially knowing ahead of time that it would be risk free, that there would be no gawking, drooling or disrespectful responses from the community. Sorry for the run on sentence.
I would find it quite shocking and distressing at first. As I said, I would acclimatise in due course, but it's not something I want to do.
I don't see it that way. I have raised three children, my youngest is nearly 17. My eldest two managed just fine with never seeing nudity. They have both been in long-term relationships and are very well-balanced adults. My youngest seems to be turning out the same. We all choose what we want our kids to see, or rather not see, and I, like most parents, have kept them from seeing depictions of graphic violence, sex and nudity.Don't you think that not wanting your child to see nudity is like keeping a choice out of their hands? Wouldn't you say that's like not letting your child see sunlight? That's not a suggestion to encourage your child to look for nudity, but an idea as to weather or not they should have a choice as to the lifestyle, much like how a child may choose to be homo or heterosexual
I am not sure that seeing nudity has any role in helping a child to decide whether they are straight or gay.