Supreme Court Healthcare Ruling

[Gloria]

Poor people don't pay taxes, remember?

Poor people...who don't work....don't pay taxes.

[Illinois59]

There is a strongly held fantasy of liberals that minimum wage jobs are supposed to support a family of four. Sorry to pop your bubble but that is simply not the case.

Minimum wage jobs or entry level jobs are just that. A person starts there. In most cases it is a training position. The idea is to move up, or advance. Liberals see this as unfair to those who have no ambition or desire to do more than entry level work.

High minimum wage mandates were the end to hundreds of thousands of really cool summer jobs for high school and college students. High minimum wage requirements ended even more part time jobs. This is exactly why youth unemployment is at record levels and minority youth unemployment is astronomical.

How many high school or college students have you hired for summer jobs?

[Illinois59]

Poor people...who don't work....don't pay taxes.

Minimum wage ($7.25) times 40 hours per week times 52 weeks per year = $15,080. Note too that an income of $15,130 is considered the poverty level for two people in one household. http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/12poverty.shtml You could ask these people who are working if living in poverty is an acceptable trade-off for not paying income taxes. Are poor people in California exempt from paying sales taxes or any other taxes?

[Naturist Mark]

Minimum wage ($7.25) times 40 hours per week times 52 weeks per year = $15,080. Note too that an income of $15,130 is considered the poverty level for two people in one household. http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/12poverty.shtml You could ask these people who are working if living in poverty is an acceptable trade-off for not paying income taxes. Are poor people in California exempt from paying sales taxes or any other taxes?

Also payroll taxes, and most local income taxes are flat taxes with no deductions - mine are, is California different?

[Gloria]

Minimum wage ($7.25) times 40 hours per week times 52 weeks per year = $15,080. Note too that an income of $15,130 is considered the poverty level for two people in one household. http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/12poverty.shtml You could ask these people who are working if living in poverty is an acceptable trade-off for not paying income taxes. Are poor people in California exempt from paying sales taxes or any other taxes?

You said it..................

Quote Originally Posted by Illinois59 View Post
Poor people don't pay taxes, remember?

[Gloria]

How many high school or college students have you hired for summer jobs?

Up until 2009 we had four high school kids working part time after school and full time during the summer. These were children of full time employees. We started hiring them in 2005 when the minimum wage was $6.75. When the minimum wage in California went to $8.00 in 2008 they became a little on the expensive side when you add in employment taxes. There was no real justification for these jobs. I just wanted to give some good kids something to do and let them earn some $$$. The $8.00 an hour was not a real problem. They all got raises. Every kid who worked there was making $10.00 when they left. What killed it was the little union steward weasel. He filed a complaint stating that two of the kids were taking up a union job. There was a HUGE battle over that. I had to let the kids go and have a union guy do their work at $16.50 per hour plus taxes. The other part time jobs just faded away after that. The irony of the whole adventure was that three of the kids, at that time, were children of union guys who worked in the shop. They asked for my permission to beat up the union steward. That is a different story.

[Illinois59]

Up until 2009 we had four high school kids working part time after school and full time during the summer. These were children of full time employees. We started hiring them in 2005 when the minimum wage was $6.75. When the minimum wage in California went to $8.00 in 2008 they became a little on the expensive side when you add in employment taxes. There was no real justification for these jobs. I just wanted to give some good kids something to do and let them earn some $$$. The $8.00 an hour was not a real problem. They all got raises. Every kid who worked there was making $10.00 when they left. What killed it was the little union steward weasel. He filed a complaint stating that two of the kids were taking up a union job. There was a HUGE battle over that. I had to let the kids go and have a union guy do their work at $16.50 per hour plus taxes. The other part time jobs just faded away after that. The irony of the whole adventure was that three of the kids, at that time, were children of union guys who worked in the shop. They asked for my permission to beat up the union steward. That is a different story.

If you have a contract you have a contract. I'm sure you want to enforce any provisions that benefit you. You can bring up such issues as summer jobs for discussion next time the contract is up for renewal. If a union guy took over the work done by two college kids then the job was apparently meeting a job description in your contract.

[Gloria]

If you have a contract you have a contract. I'm sure you want to enforce any provisions that benefit you. You can bring up such issues as summer jobs for discussion next time the contract is up for renewal. If a union guy took over the work done by two college kids then the job was apparently meeting a job description in your contract.

You forget, I am in California. I employ only 32 union employees. Contracts are not negotiated for less than 100 union employees. We have a standard contract that can be changed by the union (with 30 day written notice). If I joined with other companies that hire from the same union and we exceeded 100 members...then we could negotiate. I don't see that happening, but its a possibility.

The "job description" you talk about was : "Wash cars, run errands and sweep up ". Hardly worth $16.50 per hour plus taxes. Since the part time high school kids spend most of their time in the shop and were under the supervision of the service manager, they won the claim of a "union job". One kid came in after school MWF. The other came in Tues Thurs and Sat. They put in 3 to 4 hours and did great jobs. One kid needed more money so he worked all day on Sat. The full time union guy does not work on Sat and is very good at stretching 3 hours of work into an 8 hour shift.
The other two part-timers were girls who worked in the office, filing, data entry, phones etc. They had the same hours as the boys. Both now work full time. They filled jobs that opened up and I wouldn't trade them for the world.

[Gloria]

Well, golly gee.....The U.S. House of Representatives voted to repeal Obamacare. The whole thing! Not really surprising, since 53% of the voters want it repealed.

Interesting thing is that several democrats joined with the Republicans. Apparently they want to keep their jobs.

Now the really interesting thing will be to watch and see how Harry Reid will handle this in the Senate. Yogi, and others on the forum are fond of pointing fingers at Republicans and crying "obstruction"....let's see what one man, elected by a slight margin of a non-populous state can do to deter the will of the people.

Harry has kept every House bill from a senate vote since the Republicans became the majority. The employment crisis could have been solved last year.....but harry was told not to let any "Republican Bills" get to the Senate floor. This is more than mere "obstruction" or filibuster....it is criminal.

Harry knows that if he allows the Senate to vote, that will be the end of Obamacare, a major defeat to Obama and the best thing that could ever happen for the American people. Let's see what happens.......

[Naturist Mark]

Well, golly gee.....The U.S. House of Representatives voted to repeal Obamacare. The whole thing!

This is the 33rd time the House has voted to repeal Obamacare in just 6 months. The only thing they have voted more on is abortion. Clearly Jobs are their #1 priority.

Not really surprising, since 53% of the voters want it repealed.

Absolutely not true. We've been over this many many times. When polled on those things that ACA (Obamacare) provides for, the public overwhelmingly approves of it - even Republicans. It is only when you lump it altogether under a name that has been vilified nonstop in the media that you get a slight majority against it - but even that is a lie because nearly a third of those opposed disapprove of it because they wanted it to do more, not less as conservatives - and Gloria - are falsely implying.

Now if this was the first time Gloria had made this false statement, it could be excused as just parroting what she has heard on FOX and from her 'accountant', but she has made this claim repeatedly, and the falseness of it has been pointed out repeatedly - with citations of the original polling data. To continue with a claim that has been repeatedly proven false is a deliberate untruth.