B in Colorado,
Claiming that someone else's marriage is against your religion is like being angry at someone eating a donut because you're on a diet.
"In the U.S. for 2010, there were 31,513 deaths from firearms, distributed as follows by mode of death: Suicide 19,308; Homicide 11,015; Accident 600. "
For sure. The suicide rate in Japan is something like twice the rate in the US, and guns are virtually unavailable there.As a suicide, I would not include those in the same argument about gun deaths. Someone willing to shoot themselves would be likely to just find another way to complete the task.
And the rate is far lower in Switzerland, where the rate of gun ownership is much higher than either country.In case you are wondering - the death rate from firearms in the USA is 10.2 per every 100k people, every year - more than twice the level in Canada.
The article talks about gun deaths being correlated with "a culture of honor", and a laundry list of other correlations, and he is throwing in suicides, which makes the whole endeavour garbage.A very good (and short) article in The Atlantic shows that gun deaths in the USA very closely track to how permissive guns laws are - the states with the most restrictive laws average the lowest gun death rates, and the ones with the most permissive laws have the highest rates. The Geography of Gun Violence
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Now if you recall my posts on guns in the past you know that I am not a gun-control zealot, but I don't like it when either side replaces fact with fantasy - like the idea that the solution to gun violence is more guns - that is empirically false.
I don't actually think there is a strong causal relationship there, but it does prove that gun control does not lower the murder rate, and gun freedom does not raise it. And those "outliers" are not outliers. They are consistant with the general correlation, and they are the purest examples extreem gun control, and no gun control, and they go exactly opposite of what the antigun people claim should happen.
The truth is that there are other factors that have a vastly greater effect on the murder rate than gun control. It makes it very difficult to get meaningful results by looking at correlations. Throwing in suicides, rather than looking at homocides alone, is just a ploy to manipulate the study to get the answer the gun control people are looking for. Suicide is a whole different issue, and though tragic, what people do to other people is a whole different level of bad than what people choose to do to themselves. We should be more concerned that people want to kill themselves than whether they actually do it. And even if you think its our buisness to stop people from killing themselves, as I wrote elsewhere, Japan has a far higher suicide rate than the US, and the Japanese don't have access to guns.
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The Congressional Budget Office released a revised report this week, reflecting the Supreme Court's ruling and indicating that business owners will pay some $4 billion more in taxes under ObamaCare than the previous estimate.
Individuals will be socked with another $1 billion in taxes.
But according to the weird accounting methods in Washington, the law will now cost $84 billion less over the next 10 years. How raising taxes reduces the cost of something is beyond me. Probably because the law will now cover millions fewer people. That's the original problem that was supposed to be remedied by the government's takeover of the health system....er I mean the "Affordable" Care Act.
The fact is that the percentage of people owning firearms in the US has been steadily falling, right along with the homicide rate.
How'd you all like Danny Boyle's tribute to socialized medicine in the Olympic opening ceremonies?
Pride should be felt by a nation when they offer a healing hand to the sick. Shame should be felt by Americans who also seem to offer their hand, but only the palm-face up, waiting for it to be filled before they even consider the sick woman reaching up