Supreme Court Healthcare Ruling

[Gloria]

Why is it that the U.S. has to straighten out the Middle East anyway? I can see helping out, but why should it fall on us to do all the work? As far as I can tell, not all in the Middle East wants peace, many want vengence for slights that have happened long ago. It is as though all they know is that their perents hate that other group and have learned to hate them too, and will pass that hatered on to their children.

You make a good point, Nim. I think you are absolutely right by asking why should it fall on us to do all the work?

American Presidents have been running around the Middle East for the last 60 years trying to appease all sides. Usually it is the promise of U.S. Foreign Aid that keeps Israel's enemies at bay. It's nothing more than a "pay-off".

The great military strategists (including Sanslines...he was in combat, you know) will tell you that an all out Victory is the only thing that creates a lasting peace.

I'm afraid that means an all out war and complete subjugation of the vanquished. The United States, Russia and China should stand back an let the cards fall as they may. Then after the dust settles, there would be no need for Middle East Peace Keeping Missions and U.S. foreign aid to people who hate us.

[Kouak]

Are you asking why should he care about the Palistinians? He should care because he can not afford to alientate and insult them. Doing so would poison any chance for any peace process to continue. What he said will indeed offend many people including blacks in the US. Many whites in the US still believe that blacks are inferior to them. Would it be appropriate or helpful for Romney to make a domestic speech where he basically says that white culture in America is what created and /or contributed to the building of this nation? Such a statement would ignore that blacks were kept in slavery for many years and did not have an equal footing with whites.

You are assuming that he cares to not alienate them. Right now, I would think he only cares about getting votes or reducing Obama's votes. I did not think Republicans care about Palistinians. Not many can vote. Whereas there are many of Israeli decent that do vote and have money! He cares about them.

[BinCo]

You make a good point, Nim. I think you are absolutely right by asking why should it fall on us to do all the work?

American Presidents have been running around the Middle East for the last 60 years trying to appease all sides. Usually it is the promise of U.S. Foreign Aid that keeps Israel's enemies at bay. It's nothing more than a "pay-off".

The great military strategists (including Sanslines...he was in combat, you know) will tell you that an all out Victory is the only thing that creates a lasting peace.

I'm afraid that means an all out war and complete subjugation of the vanquished. The United States, Russia and China should stand back an let the cards fall as they may. Then after the dust settles, there would be no need for Middle East Peace Keeping Missions and U.S. foreign aid to people who hate us.

Don't forget that those people hate "us" because most of the world powers divided the nation-states into countries after WW1 with little to no regard to historic lands and tribal regions. We currently ONLY get involved in the Middle East because of the oil they have. If they were as desolate to use as much of Africa we would not be even discussing it. The world has spent the last 80+ years using various factions of the Middle East as pawns in our own game of chess. Then we slammed Isreal in their backyard with absolutely no concern for the people there at all. Now we have idiots in the gubment, and elsewhere, who say to let them fight it out as if our hands would be clean. Does anyone in the world really think that Isreal wouldn't win? Does anyone in the world think that they would solely because of the weapons we have continually sold them? "Let them fight it out" is an unbelievably ignorant statement showing nothing but contempt for the millions of innocent people who would die.

BTW: All out victory has never been achieved without the people you are conquering believing you are correct. Otherwise the people are oppressed and will rise up. Lasting peace is created by people wanting lasting peace. Millions of Americans, and most Conservatives, believe in perpetual war because they never want peace. Peace just isn't profitable enough.

[Yogi Bare]

All out victory has never been achieved without the people you are conquering believing you are correct.

Isn't that the situation with the Iraq War? Dubya went in there, using a false pretense to complete Daddy's war, and had no exit strategy to get the US troops completely out of Iraq before he left office. With the way that things are in Iraq today, it sure doesn't appear that we had an all-out victory or that the Iraqi people believe that we were correct. Heck, the fact alone that there were no WMDs shows that we were not correct.

Millions of Americans, and most Conservatives, believe in perpetual war because they never want peace. Peace just isn't profitable enough.

Wasn't that the REAL reason for starting the Iraq War? It sure wasn't the WMDs.

[Gloria]

Don't forget that those people hate "us" because most of the world powers divided the nation-states into countries after WW1 with little to no regard to historic lands and tribal regions. We currently ONLY get involved in the Middle East because of the oil they have. If they were as desolate to use as much of Africa we would not be even discussing it. The world has spent the last 80+ years using various factions of the Middle East as pawns in our own game of chess. Then we slammed Isreal in their backyard with absolutely no concern for the people there at all. Now we have idiots in the gubment, and elsewhere, who say to let them fight it out as if our hands would be clean. Does anyone in the world really think that Isreal wouldn't win? Does anyone in the world think that they would solely because of the weapons we have continually sold them? "Let them fight it out" is an unbelievably ignorant statement showing nothing but contempt for the millions of innocent people who would die.

BTW: All out victory has never been achieved without the people you are conquering believing you are correct. Otherwise the people are oppressed and will rise up. Lasting peace is created by people wanting lasting peace. Millions of Americans, and most Conservatives, believe in perpetual war because they never want peace. Peace just isn't profitable enough.

I guess, then, we did a pretty good job of convincing Japan and Germany that we were correct. All it took was "unconditional surrender". Now they enjoy peace and prosperity. In fact, every country that the U.S. has ever fought and now "believes we are correct" is doing pretty well today. (Spain is a little shaky, but that's because they embraced liberal principals and Viet Nam will prosper as soon as it dumps Communism) Sort of makes one wish for a "United States of the World".

[Boreas]

So, the US shows up to WWII during the last days of the war, and they saved Japan and Germany???? Seriously????

[Gloria]

So, the US shows up to WWII during the last days of the war, and they saved Japan and Germany???? Seriously????

OOOps, Sorry. I didn't mention Canada's contribution. After all Canada did loan us their tank.

[BinCo]

I guess, then, we did a pretty good job of convincing Japan and Germany that we were correct. All it took was "unconditional surrender". Now they enjoy peace and prosperity. In fact, every country that the U.S. has ever fought and now "believes we are correct" is doing pretty well today. (Spain is a little shaky, but that's because they embraced liberal principals and Viet Nam will prosper as soon as it dumps Communism) Sort of makes one wish for a "United States of the World".

The people of Japan and Germany decided that they would stop fighting when their leaders surrendered. Therefore it's obvious that they didn't fully want the war, saw the errors in their ways and decided that peace was a better course. The people of the US will decide the same thing if we are bombed to bits for two consecutive generations. Vietnam is doing quite well without us. China is doing great for a bunch of Commies. Perhaps your thoughts are a few decades out of date?

[Gloria]

The people of Japan and Germany decided that they would stop fighting when their leaders surrendered. Therefore it's obvious that they didn't fully want the war, saw the errors in their ways and decided that peace was a better course. The people of the US will decide the same thing if we are bombed to bits for two consecutive generations. Vietnam is doing quite well without us. China is doing great for a bunch of Commies. Perhaps your thoughts are a few decades out of date?

Your grasp of history shows a remarkable liberal "re-write"

The people of Germany and Japan, after surrender, had no choice. Their leadership, industry, economy, were crushed. They didn't "decide" anything. They did as they were told and prospered.

I visited Viet Nam in 2005. Interesting trip. It was clean and modern and busy. However a Vietnamese Doctor told me that no Vietnamese want to return to their country and millions want to leave. (?) China does great due to a thriving black market.

My thoughts are pretty much up to date.

[Gloria]

As expected, Harry Reid has prevented a Senate vote on the repeal of ObamaCare.

The repeal bill went through the House on a 244–185 vote. Five Democrats joined all Republicans to do the right thing.

Harry is doing this for two reasons: 1) He is protecting Senators who might have a hard time in the November election. And 2) He is afraid the repeal might actually go through.

Of course all this is done to score political points. There are two political parties. Everything they do is about politics. If not, there wouldn’t be two political parties.