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Concerning the Affordable Care Act:
What or who defines what "affordable" is supposed to mean?
For instance, take two families with the same income. What might be affordable to a family of four may not be affordable to family of six.
Just wondering.....
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The people of Japan and Germany could have easily kept up an insurgent war like the one going on in Afghanistan and Iraq today. THEY chose not to because it was the best thing for themselves and they saw this. The only way to achieve all out victory against a people who do not want peace with you is to wipe them out.Originally Posted by Gloria
China does great because of a thriving American economy bent on getting the absolute most crap for the least price regardless of how many good American jobs are lost in the process. As our economy went down so did China's.
B in Colorado,
Claiming that someone else's marriage is against your religion is like being angry at someone eating a donut because you're on a diet.
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Sanslines thinks resistance is futile...
Foreign trade does not cost jobs. That money has to come back one way or another, or it is useless to China. What they aren't lending to Obama, they seem to be hoarding at the moment.China does great because of a thriving American economy bent on getting the absolute most crap for the least price regardless of how many good American jobs are lost in the process.
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It would have been impossible for the people of Japan or Germany to carry out an insurgent war. Their countries were occupied and controlled by OUR military governors. They didn't choose anything...they were conquered, exposed to Capitalism and prospered under our control. Afghanistan and Iraq are governed by their own people. Big mistake! The "victory" will be theirs when our troops leave.
You are right about "The only way to achieve all out victory against a people who do not want peace with you is to wipe them out." That is exactly what we had in mind for Japan. Nagasaki and Hiroshima were just the start.
Supreme Member
I do?????????
You need to read "A Nation Of Sheep" and see how our involvement in Laos turned out. The book is dated but many of the points are just as applicable today as they were in the late '50's. We still have far too many uninformed, lazy, apathetic, and ignorant people when it come to current affairs. We still allow ourselves to be lied to and mislead by an incompetent media machine and are almost totally ignorant of foreign news and affairs.
Gold Member
Are you talking about FOX News?
Lest we forget, Sans, we are also lied to and misled by the Republican/Tea Party conservatives, as we have pointed out and proven many times.
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It seems so.
Last edited by Skinview; 08-16-2012 at 08:48 PM.
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What seems so? Given the difficulty of getting straightforward and direct answers from you that you will not later claim "that's not what I said!", let's review your stance:
The fundamental claim of your ilk to own (hoard) guns is to be able to overthrow a tyrannical USA federal government. You stated that you have no intention of doing this and at some level you must know that from the present day onward , it is impossible to do so. Therefore, your fundamental reason to own guns can not be based upon the second ammendment. You may claim all other sorts of reasons, but it is equally valid for anyone to challenge those reasons and rule against them.
A person who believes that he and a few other misguided individuals can overthrow the US government by defeating the entire US law enforcement machine is indeed delusional.
Clearly, a rational thinking person would understand that the situations in Japan and Afghanistan during defeat having nothing even remotely related to a strong, diverse, and undefeated USA government. Bogus analogies don't help your claims or cause.
Platinum Member
The fact that you think resistance is futile.
Skinview is making reference to your statements to make a point.......that is sort of a compliment, Sans.
I take exception to the above for two reasons: 1) It is a perverse outlook on God given rights that are protected by our Constitution...and 2) You make a premiss "..it is impossible to do so." That is simply not true.
The "ilk" (actually all Americans) that you speak of, who own guns, do so for self protection among other things. That self protection includes defence against a tyrannical government. That was the prime reason our Founding Fathers thought it necessary to protect that right with the Second Amendment. I personally think it was very courageous of the creators of our government to protect that right. Imagine, they were so confident of the government they founded that they did not fear an armed citizenry.
It is not impossible to overthrow a tyrannical government...unless the majority is willing to accept tyrannical rule.
No one believes that a few misguided individuals can overthrow the US Government. But if Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam can gather a Million Men to march on Washington D.C. and the Occupy Wall Street gang can bring 20,000 people to New York and organize hundreds of thousands in over 200 American Cities......well what do you think American gun owners could do if they did not like the way our government was headed. I think the "entire US law enforcement machine" would really have its hands full.
I think the greatest fear facing any commander, Military or law enforcement, would not be hoards of Americans marching down the street....but the defections from his ranks.
I agree with you there Sans. I have been trying to get that exact point across to Bin ever since he brought it up.
Last edited by Gloria; 08-17-2012 at 04:14 PM.
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Gloria, Do you not believe that America would need to be wiped out in order for a foriegn country to conquer us? Americans would fight to the last person. We might surrender, regroup and start an insurgency, but we would never stop. Why do you think the people of Afghanistan are not cut from the same cloth? If, on the other hand, Americans were taken over from inside by a hostile gubment bent on world domination and having us in a state of constant war and oppression, we might see the benefit of another country assisting us to overthrow them. While Germany and Japan were in the grasp of Nationalism during the war, the people saw the bleak outlook towards the end of it. You had German people helping out the Allied soldiers, if they didn't think life would be better without the Nazi rulers than they would have kept on. Once we dropped the bombs on Japan, the people saw the logic in stopping the war.
As for Tyrannical rule. When it comes draped in a flag and endless talk about Nationalism and superiority by Divine right you might be shocked how many people are willing to submit.
Clearly a rational, thinking person can see the situation and understand humans a little better.
B in Colorado,
Claiming that someone else's marriage is against your religion is like being angry at someone eating a donut because you're on a diet.
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