What A Global Warming "Hoax" Looks Like

[Naturist Mark]

This is a newspaper article by a journalist trying to minimize the evidence that shows less Arctic Ice = more Antarctic Ice. .

That is incorrect. The ice at one pole doesn't affect the ice at the other pole. But the global climatic conditions that affects one also affects the other. In this case warming has increased the amount of sea ice melting during Arctic summers, and warmer oceans cause more precipitation during winter - which in Antarctica causes more accumulation of ice over land - but in fact, the sea ice surrounding Antarctica, which unlike Arctic sea ice is formed on land and flows over water in glacial ice sheets - IS receding much more rapidly in Antarctic summers than in the past.

Got that? Increased precipitation - due to warmer oceans - causes more snow to fall over the Antarctic land mass, thus the ice is growing thicker, but when the ice flows off the land as glacial ice sheets, those ice sheets are breaking up much faster in the southern summers.

[Gloria]

That is incorrect. The ice at one pole doesn't affect the ice at the other pole. But the global climatic conditions that affects one also affects the other. In this case warming has increased the amount of sea ice melting during Arctic summers, and warmer oceans cause more precipitation during winter - which in Antarctica causes more accumulation of ice over land - but in fact, the sea ice surrounding Antarctica, which unlike Arctic sea ice is formed on land and flows over water in glacial ice sheets - IS receding much more rapidly in Antarctic summers than in the past.

Got that? Increased precipitation - due to warmer oceans - causes more snow to fall over the Antarctic land mass, thus the ice is growing thicker, but when the ice flows off the land as glacial ice sheets, those ice sheets are breaking up much faster in the southern summers.

Thank you for the correction.

Please explain why a phenomenal record amount of Antarctic ice does not get the attention of the climate alarmists? They seem to focus on the Arctic and that has been ice free several times in the last 100 years.....and will be again...CO2 or no CO2.

[Baron Lake]

Mark just explained it in what he wrote correcting you.
BTW, you wouldn't happen to know the dates of those Arctic "ice free" periods would you?

Oh well, we're all doomed anyway unless we can halt the runaway continental drift. Please donate to my "Ban Tectonic Plate Shift" campaign.
(more info later)

[Gloria]

Mark just explained it in what he wrote correcting you.
BTW, you wouldn't happen to know the dates of those Arctic "ice free" periods would you?

Oh well, we're all doomed anyway unless we can halt the runaway continental drift. Please donate to my "Ban Tectonic Plate Shift" campaign.
(more info later)

No, Mark just talked about snow, glacial ice sheets, and other really cold stuff. He has not explained why climate alarmists are so focused on a natural Arctic condition that has occurred before, rather than a record breaking phenomena in Antarctica.

Dates for recent Arctic ice free periods are 1958-1959 and summer of 1922 (Google "north pole ice free".........lots of interesting stuff)

The problem with much of this debate is the fact that accurate ice measurements go back only a few decades. Satellite measurements date back only to 1979 for Arctic sea ice, when the Northern hemisphere was coming out of a very cold decade. Accurate arctic ice data is barely 30 years old. So, what we have are the reports of explorers who sailed a schooner within a few degrees of the North Pole and U.S. submarine surfacing at the Pole in wide open water. There is evidence that Vikings may have sailed through the Northwest Passage regularly during periods of an "ice free Arctic" hundreds of years before Columbus got here.

The Arctic has been freezing and melting for ions. Nothing new. It's ice free now and will freeze up and ice over...then melt again. CO2 or no CO2.

Good luck with your "Ban Tectonic Plate Shift" campaign. Sounds like table ware.

[OZJames]

Here's your proof Gloria - it's not a hoax

[Baron Lake]

Gloria, I forgot that you live on a different planet than most of us and that you folks haven't yet discovered per reviewed science.
Hopefully, you may some day develop the capacity to take ice and sediment cores and the ability to analyze them.

Oh, and PT isn't exactly table ware but it does involve plate arrangement sorta.

[Gloria]

Gloria, I forgot that you live on a different planet than most of us and that you folks haven't yet discovered per reviewed science.
Hopefully, you may some day develop the capacity to take ice and sediment cores and the ability to analyze them.

Oh, and PT isn't exactly table ware but it does involve plate arrangement sorta.

You Earth People rely on per reviewed science???....how Jurassic. On our planet we rely on peer reviewed science. We find it much more "scientific" than the "Chicken Little" ramblings of journalists or those "political" scientists who rely on fear mongering to maintain their government grant money.

As one of our great leaders once said: "Pathetic earthlings. Hurling your bodies out into the void, without the slightest inkling of who or what is out here. If you had known anything about the true nature of the universe, anything at all, you would've hidden from it in terror."

[Gloria]

Here's your proof Gloria - it's not a hoax

I LOVE it OZ.

Finally a shred of evidence that may alter my way of thinking. Thank you very much.

As to your picture, I can say that I have endured everything shown from 1970 and on. 2006 may help with Global Warming...but not in the wear-ability comfort factor. I would rather be nude or return to the 1900 model.

[Gloria]

Global warming stopped 16 years ago.....



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...-prove-it.html

[Naturist Mark]

Global warming stopped 16 years ago.....



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...-prove-it.html

Ahhh ... a new climate science study from the prestigious peer reviewed science journal "Daily Mail". Of course it is bunk. This is an old hack from GW deniers who keep coming back to re-engorge on their previously discredited vomit.

http://ossfoundation.us/projects/env...arming-stopped