Naked Rambler walks free from prison - and walks away nude

[Stu2630]

Stu,
If Mr Gough is such a terror to society, then the authorities could certain lock him up forever or send him to a mental institution where they could pump him full of mind control drugs and keep him in a permanent zombie like state. Obviously, he is not such a terror to society hence why they keep locking him up and releasing him. This cycle of lock and release appears to be the way that it is going to be for the foreseable future.

Sanslines - he isn't a "terror to society" - he is a public nuisance. They want him to behave like a decent member of society and go home without upsetting anyone else. I think the "lock and release" cycle is the right way forward as it gives him regular opportunities to behave and resume his life.

Stu

[Sanslines]

Sanslines - he isn't a "terror to society" - he is a public nuisance. They want him to behave like a decent member of society and go home without upsetting anyone else. I think the "lock and release" cycle is the right way forward as it gives him regular opportunities to behave and resume his life.

Stu

What 'they' want and what 'they' get are obviously going to be two very different things. He is not going to 'behave' as the authorities want him to behave as he obviously believes that being nude is normal and behaving.

So you say that he is merely a 'public nuisance' similar to other examples of 'public nuisances' like drunks in a park, etc. Do we lock up drunks in solitary confinement for years at a time?

[Stu2630]

What 'they' want and what 'they' get are obviously going to be two very different things. He is not going to 'behave' as the authorities want him to behave as he obviously believes that being nude is normal and behaving.

If they don't get him to behave according to the same rules as everyone else, then he pays the price by losing his liberty.

So you say that he is merely a 'public nuisance' similar to other examples of 'public nuisances' like drunks in a park, etc. Do we lock up drunks in solitary confinement for years at a time?

He hasn't been locked up "for years at a time" for his nudity. He is locked up for months at a time for that, plus contempt of court, then released and given an opportunity to go on his way.

He is also in solitary confinement for his own protection not as a punishment. Can you imagine what the other inmates would do to him if he were walking around the prison naked? Also, there are female prison staff in the main wings and they shouldn't have to put up with a guy walking around the facility naked.

Stu

[Sanslines]

If they don't get him to behave according to the same rules as everyone else, then he pays the price by losing his liberty.

He hasn't been locked up "for years at a time" for his nudity. He is locked up for months at a time for that, plus contempt of court, then released and given an opportunity to go on his way.

He is also in solitary confinement for his own protection not as a punishment. Can you imagine what the other inmates would do to him if he were walking around the prison naked? Also, there are female prison staff in the main wings and they shouldn't have to put up with a guy walking around the facility naked.

Stu

That's right............either conform to the 'rules' or be 'crushed' by the system. The fact that this man is not a dangerous criminal has nothing to do with it. Solitary confinement is for the 'good' of the man? What is 'good' for the man is to release him to society and then leave him alone. Female guards should not have to put up with a prisoner walking around naked? Actually, female prison guards have much more to worry about than a non violent inmate that poses no actual physical harm to them? If you doubt me, then go to a prison and have some inmate throw a feces / urine coctail on you and compare that to the sight of a harmless naked inmate. It is obvious which is a grave and serious threat and which is a minor annoyance.

[Stu2630]

Sanslines

That's right............either conform to the 'rules' or be 'crushed' by the system.

There are times when we can do pretty much as we like, and there are times when we have to conform for the sake of other individuals or for society as a whole. We have to conform to instructions given on board an aircraft by stewards - Mr Gough disagreed and refused to dress. We have to conform to certain behaviours when appearing before a court of law - Mr Gough thought the rules of courtroom decorum shouldn't apply to him. We sometimes have to conform when in the presence of people who are sensitive to certain kinds of non-conformity, like older people or mothers with young children - Mr Gough puts his own preferences first on these occasions.

But he is not simply not conforming - he is trying to make sure he is seen and that people react. That is reprehensible.

Having been sentenced to prison, where should he be held? In the main wings where he would be likely to face serious violence from other inmates? Or in the solitary wing, where he would be safe?

What is 'good' for the man is to release him to society and then leave him alone.

That might be good for him, but it would be bad for society. Gough behind bars is good for society.

Female guards have a great deal to put up with - and they shouldn't have to put up with male exhibitionism.

Stu

[nudeyooper]

Sanslines



That might be good for him, but it would be bad for society. Gough behind bars is good for society.

Female guards have a great deal to put up with - and they shouldn't have to put up with male exhibitionism.

Stu

What I believe is best for society is that the authorities leave him alone and stop wasting their resources on him. There are other crimes to prosecute, other prisoners to house that are much more of a threat to any society. Once Mr. Gough gets out of the limelight, he will have much less influence, and is less likely to encounter people who object to his cause. If he stays in one place, that place will begin to dismiss him. Should he travel on foot again, he will not engage many people in a days travel on country roads.

As for female guards seeing naked men. That is just part of their job, and they are aware of it when they take a job in a prison for men. Those who I personally know, just laugh under their breath when a guy is naked in their presence. They have much more to worry about than that.

[Sanslines]

What I believe is best for society is that the authorities leave him alone and stop wasting their resources on him. There are other crimes to prosecute, other prisoners to house that are much more of a threat to any society. Once Mr. Gough gets out of the limelight, he will have much less influence, and is less likely to encounter people who object to his cause. If he stays in one place, that place will begin to dismiss him. Should he travel on foot again, he will not engage many people in a days travel on country roads.

As for female guards seeing naked men. That is just part of their job, and they are aware of it when they take a job in a prison for men. Those who I personally know, just laugh under their breath when a guy is naked in their presence. They have much more to worry about than that.

All true and I might add that if Gough is such a problem, then send him to my area. I would much prefer a non violent naked man roaming around then some of the violent and viscious criminals around here that do actual real harm to society. To some, Gough is just a minor nuisance and nothing more. If the prudes are so outraged, then they can go and hide in their churches and chant prayers for the salvation of Gough's soul.

[tiger79]

If the prudes are so outraged, then they can go and hide in their churches and chant prayers for the salvation of Gough's soul.

Hmmm, didn't think anti-religious bias went down well here.

[Stu2630]

What I believe is best for society is that the authorities leave him alone and stop wasting their resources on him. There are other crimes to prosecute, other prisoners to house that are much more of a threat to any society. Once Mr. Gough gets out of the limelight, he will have much less influence, and is less likely to encounter people who object to his cause. If he stays in one place, that place will begin to dismiss him. Should he travel on foot again, he will not engage many people in a days travel on country roads.

Yes, there other prisoners to deal with, and Mr Gough should think of the time and money he has wasted from public funds on the police, courts and prisons, who woylkd much rather deal with proper criminals. Remember - he actually WANTS to be seen and to confront society's perception of nudity - he is initiaiting this, not the authorities.

As for female guards seeing naked men. That is just part of their job, and they are aware of it when they take a job in a prison for men. Those who I personally know, just laugh under their breath when a guy is naked in their presence. They have much more to worry about than that

No, it's not. UK prisons which employ female officers and staff have rules about this aspect which woulod preclude them being exposed to Gough. Of course, inmates occasionally behave unexpectedly and can upset female officers, but just as male officers in female prisons are compromised if inmates are naked, the same is true for male officers in female prisons.

Sanslines

If the prudes are so outraged, then they can go and hide in their churches and chant prayers for the salvation of Gough's soul.

To find inappropriate public nudity objectionable does not make one a prude, nor does it mean one is religious.

Incidentally - Gough is now remanded back to prison pending his trial in a few weeks. I have to say I am pleased about that.

Stu

[Sanslines]

Yes, there other prisoners to deal with, and Mr Gough should think of the time and money he has wasted from public funds on the police, courts and prisons, who woylkd much rather deal with proper criminals. Remember - he actually WANTS to be seen and to confront society's perception of nudity - he is initiaiting this, not the authorities.



No, it's not. UK prisons which employ female officers and staff have rules about this aspect which woulod preclude them being exposed to Gough. Of course, inmates occasionally behave unexpectedly and can upset female officers, but just as male officers in female prisons are compromised if inmates are naked, the same is true for male officers in female prisons.

Sanslines



To find inappropriate public nudity objectionable does not make one a prude, nor does it mean one is religious.

Incidentally - Gough is now remanded back to prison pending his trial in a few weeks. I have to say I am pleased about that.

Stu

I spoke with a female prison guard here who laughed at this whole incident and called it pure nonsense. She would prefer to have naked prisoners so that she could be assured that they are not carrying any concealed weapons. She would also prefer to deal with such a benign prisoner as Mr Gough rather then the usual murderes, rapists, robbers, and other assorted viscious criminals.

I still think that the best solution for your authorities is to transfer him to a private US prison or to a "club Fed" type of prision where only harmless prisoners who have been convicted of non violent crimes reside (not really incarcerated). A private prision can make big $$$ from your authorities and hold him indefinately as long as the $$$$ keep pouring in to their coffers. A club Fed type of prison would also be a good choice as Mr Gough could enjoy three good meals a day, unlimited tv, a workout room, and he could also play tennis if he so decided. He could do all of this nude and the club Fed prison could be like his own private nudist club. Heck, he might even convince other inmates to join in the nudity and most certainly the guards would not care so long as the inmates remained non violent. Problem solved.