Naked Rambler walks free from prison - and walks away nude

[Boreas]

If he had done this in Canada, our climate would have hindered his walks more than the authorities.

[nimrod]

Nice people care for others and respect their feelings. Gough has repeatedly shown that he only cares about his own ideology.

So nice people have to be doormats? I can care for others and respect thier feelings without doing everything they expect of me. Does this make me a mean person? Of course not.

I judge him on his behaviour, and by what he says. He might have a really nice side which is kind to kittens and works for free to help disabled lobsters - but I can only judge him on what he does (his behaviour) and what he says.

Once again nudity is not a behaviour, it is a state of "dress". How one acts, dressed or not, is behaviour.

[Sanslines]

Sanslines

It was shown on a map on here!!!

And if he was in the USA he would be required, as a condition of his prison release. to carry with him at all times an rf transmitter so that the authorities can track his whereabouts at all times. The rf transmitter looks like a employees badge. Don't belive me? Children at some Texas schools are already required to carry their school id (rf transmitter) badge at all times so that the school authorities can track the children and also verify that they are at school.

He might have a really nice side which is kind to kittens and works for free to help disabled lobsters - but I can only judge him on what he does (his behaviour) and what he says.

But you are not interested in anything beyond his public nudity. He could have won the Nobel Peace Prize for advancing world peace and you would ignore that. That's the point...you need to consider then entire person and stop focusing upon only one very select aspect.

I am not judging him for being inherently different. I judge him by his behaviour - which is entirely voluntary.

As Nimrod keeps reminding you, nudity is not a behaviour............it is a state of being. As far as we all know, the rambler is donig nothing more than walking around the UK naked. He is not grabbing his penis and masterbating in front of old ladies that he deliberately walks up to for the sole purpose of causing distress and abuse.

In your dreams. LOL

Stu

When this 'dream' becomes a reality for the rambler, he will be the one who is laughing all the way to the bank.

[nudeyooper]

If he had done this in Canada, our climate would have hindered his walks more than the authorities.

If he took the longest route from either south to north or east and west, he'd probably still be walking, and there are places he could walk for days and not be seen by another human being. So, if he were to attempt to do this in Canada, he'd really have a newsworthy undertaking.

[Stu2630]

nimrod

So nice people have to be doormats? I can care for others and respect thier feelings without doing everything they expect of me. Does this make me a mean person? Of course not.

Indeed, but I expect you do what you can within reason to respect people's feelings and avoid causing distress and upset. Gough has stated his intention to confront people. That is not just going about your life - that is trying to force others to your way of thinking - and nice people just don't do that.

Once again nudity is not a behaviour, it is a state of "dress". How one acts, dressed or not, is behaviour.

Of course it's a behaviour. If somebody goes into a Jewish area wearing a Gestapo uniform, that is a behaviour. If somebody goes into a black neighborhood in Alabama wearing a KKK outfit, that, too, is a behaviour. Gough's intention is to confront people - that is a behaviour. His refusal to cooperate with the police to avoid him walking naked close to a children's play area is a behaviour. And it is BAD behaviour that brings naturism into disrepute.

Sanslines

And if he was in the USA he would be required, as a condition of his prison release. to carry with him at all times an rf transmitter so that the authorities can track his whereabouts at all times. The rf transmitter looks like a employees badge. Don't belive me?

No, I believe you.

But you are not interested in anything beyond his public nudity. He could have won the Nobel Peace Prize for advancing world peace and you would ignore that. That's the point...you need to consider then entire person and stop focusing upon only one very select aspect.

That doesn't make sense. If Gough does something wonderful and admirable, then I will happily say that he has and voice my approval of whatever that happens to be. I am not aware that he has. I am aware that he has made himself an expensive public nuisance and so I will voice my disapproval at his behaviour.

When this 'dream' becomes a reality for the rambler, he will be the one who is laughing all the way to the bank.

I doubt that will happen, but it wouldn't be the first time Gough has cashed in on his "celebrity status". He used it to market ranges of clothes for the fashion industry he so often pretends to despise:

http://stop-racist-human-skin-phobia...d-rambler.html

So much for his principles!

Stu

[nimrod]

Indeed, but I expect you do what you can within reason to respect people's feelings and avoid causing distress and upset. Gough has stated his intention to confront people. That is not just going about your life - that is trying to force others to your way of thinking - and nice people just don't do that.

Confronting people about their narrow minded thinking is different then trying to force others to your way of thinking. Sometimes in life you have to be confrontational to do a kindness.

Of course it's a behaviour. If somebody goes into a Jewish area wearing a Gestapo uniform, that is a behaviour. If somebody goes into a black neighborhood in Alabama wearing a KKK outfit, that, too, is a behaviour. Gough's intention is to confront people - that is a behaviour. His refusal to cooperate with the police to avoid him walking naked close to a children's play area is a behaviour. And it is BAD behaviour that brings naturism into disrepute.

No it is not a behaviour, nudity is and always will be just a state of "dress", what you do while in whatever state of dress is the behaviour. Everything you describe above describes behaviour while in certain states of dress and does not prove that nudity is a behaviour.

[Stu2630]

Confronting people about their narrow minded thinking is different then trying to force others to your way of thinking. Sometimes in life you have to be confrontational to do a kindness.

Firstly, it is just your opinion that a revulsion towards public nudity is "narrow minded thinking" - I do not share that opinion and nor do millions of other people. He has no right to go around "confronting" strangers like that - there is nothing "kind" about it.

No it is not a behaviour, nudity is and always will be just a state of "dress", what you do while in whatever state of dress is the behaviour. Everything you describe above describes behaviour while in certain states of dress and does not prove that nudity is a behaviour.

Of course it is behaviour - the way a persn dresses, or goes, is behaviour! He has decided to go out and confront strangers while naked so they will see him naked. He made a conscious decision to do that - a conscious decision to take off his clothes and a conscious decision to disregard the police and the courts. No object of human study from philosophy to law, or from linguistics to psychology, would dispute that what he is doing constitutes "behaviour".

You may deny it, but if you do then I think you are being perverse because it is blindingly obvious that what he is doing constitutes behaviour rather than just some sartorial preference.

Stu

[Sanslines]

Firstly, it is just your opinion that a revulsion towards public nudity is "narrow minded thinking" - I do not share that opinion and nor do millions of other people. He has no right to go around "confronting" strangers like that - there is nothing "kind" about it.




Of course it is behaviour - the way a persn dresses, or goes, is behaviour! He has decided to go out and confront strangers while naked so they will see him naked. He made a conscious decision to do that - a conscious decision to take off his clothes and a conscious decision to disregard the police and the courts. No object of human study from philosophy to law, or from linguistics to psychology, would dispute that what he is doing constitutes "behaviour".

You may deny it, but if you do then I think you are being perverse because it is blindingly obvious that what he is doing constitutes behaviour rather than just some sartorial preference.

Stu

The rambler's ramblings are just coincidental to his main purpose - which is to deliberately walk up to unsuspecting strangers and graphically force his nudity upon them??

Something like this:


Is this what you really mean???

So even if the rambler were to "expose himself to art" , it would still be considered taboo??

[nimrod]

Firstly, it is just your opinion that a revulsion towards public nudity is "narrow minded thinking" - I do not share that opinion and nor do millions of other people. He has no right to go around "confronting" strangers like that - there is nothing "kind" about it.

Very few people have a revulsion towards nudity, most just do not wish to see it outside of certain circumstances. Intolerance is always narrow minded thinking and should always be confronted, it makes the world a little kinder.

Of course it is behaviour - the way a persn dresses, or goes, is behaviour! He has decided to go out and confront strangers while naked so they will see him naked. He made a conscious decision to do that - a conscious decision to take off his clothes and a conscious decision to disregard the police and the courts. No object of human study from philosophy to law, or from linguistics to psychology, would dispute that what he is doing constitutes "behaviour".

You may deny it, but if you do then I think you are being perverse because it is blindingly obvious that what he is doing constitutes behaviour rather than just some sartorial preference.

Once again Stu, nudity is not a behaviour, what someone does while they are nude, or not, is the behaviour. Not putting clothes on is not a behaviour, putting clothes on is a learned behaviour, but either way, nude or dressed is just a state of being.

nu·di·ty/ˈn(y)o͞odətē/Noun: The state or fact of being naked.

Pretty simple, correct?

[Stu2630]

nimrod

Very few people have a revulsion towards nudity, most just do not wish to see it outside of certain circumstances.

I will agree there is a continuum from revulsion to mild discomfort - and there are very many people who fall between these two. Why make a point of behaving in a way that you know causes negative reactions in others?

Once again Stu, nudity is not a behaviour, what someone does while they are nude, or not, is the behaviour. Not putting clothes on is not a behaviour, putting clothes on is a learned behaviour, but either way, nude or dressed is just a state of being.

nu·di·ty/ˈn(y)o͞odətē/Noun: The state or fact of being naked.

Pretty simple, correct?

Nudity is a state. Where and when you get nude, and what you do and where you go while nude, are behaviours.

Gough dresses when static and away from others. Then he undresses for the purpose of being seen naked while walking for the purpose of confronting others.

The fact that someone is in a "state" does not mean they are not engaging in a behaviour. A person can be in a severely drunken state, but their presence in that state in public places is considered a behaviour. A person can be in a "state" of being infected with a dangerous disease - but if they walk around in public with that disease and force others to encounter them and thereby risk contracting their infection then that would be behaviour.

behaviour (US behavior) - noun [mass noun] the way in which one acts or conducts oneself, especially towards others (Oxford Dictionary of English, 2003, p.148)

behaviour- any act or omission which has consequential effects on the environment or any person or object within it (Archbold's Lexicon of Law 3rd Ed., 1962, p. 38)

Marshall B Clinard is an emeritus professor of sociology of the university of Wisconsin. He has written a number of well known books on many topics and he specialises on aspects of humanity which are sometimes considered "deviant" (in the sociological sense). He has written an interesting chapter on nudism in his seminal work Sociology of Deviant Behavior. You can read it here.

He starts the chapter: "Nudity, like all voluntary behavior, is governed by norms."

Stu