The dangers of 'letting it all hang out'

[jasenj]

Back to Steve Gough (info for the fairminded):

This is not the Steve Gough thread. This is the Mark Dooley thread.

- Jasen.

[Sanslines]

This is not the Steve Gough thread. This is the Mark Dooley thread.

- Jasen.

Why not direct your comments to the person who brought up Steve Gough........his name is STU.

[nimrod]

Yes, you will see a pattern of alternation from me - but look at this pattern more closely and you will see why. You have NEVER seen me "put down" responsible, considerate nudism as practised by the majority of regulars at this forum - quite the reverse: I say positive things about it. I only "put down" rude and irresponsible public nudity.

I believe you only say that as a way of trying to prove you are not anti-nudist, but I have seen too much negativity from you to believe it.

With regard to the article - I can't quite establish what the author is talking about because he has provided precious little in the way of context. But you edited my words when you quoted me as saying:

"When he says: 'There is nothing healthy in making public those parts which the rest of us would prefer you kept private' - then, in the strict literal sense, I agree with him."

The next part, which you chopped off, was absolutely crucial: -

"I do not think nudity is healthy - or unhealthy: in health terms, it is neutral. Consequently, it is absolutely fine in a nudist context but not so in the wider public sphere."

It's there for all to see.

Now, I wonder why you did that.

Stu

I did not find that what I "chopped off" as critical, but even with it, my point can still be made. As I stated above I have seen too much negativity from you. Also what you believe to be reasonable is a very narrow view of what reasonable is and does not take into consideration the extra effort that nudist have to make in order to fit into that very narrow view.

[Stu2630]

I believe you only say that as a way of trying to prove you are not anti-nudist, but I have seen too much negativity from you to believe it..

You have ONLY found negativity from me when I am talking about inappropriate public nudity. You will not find any postings from me expressing negativity about regular nudism in nudist venues.

I did not find that what I "chopped off" as critical, but even with it, my point can still be made. As I stated above I have seen too much negativity from you.

Saying something is neutral can not be expressing negativity, can it?

Also what you believe to be reasonable is a very narrow view of what reasonable is and does not take into consideration the extra effort that nudist have to make in order to fit into that very narrow view

I think that what I consider reasonable is pretty much in line with what most non-nudists think is reasonable - and many nudists here have agreed with me.

With regard to the article, I have already made clear that I am unsure what the author is trying to say, so I can't agree with it entirely and, if he is referring to the practice of regular nudism at places allocated for that purpose, then I vehemently disagree with him. I can't be any clearer than that.

Stu

[nimrod]

Argue all you want Stu, it is negative to me and others here, and it does not matter how much you say it is not, it is to us. Some have told you this but you do not care to hear it. If you did care you would stop posting your anti-nudist propaganda.

I really do not care how many nudist here that might agree with you on what is reasonible nudity, your view is very narrow and those that do agree with you disappoint me. To me they can not stand to the pressures of society and reinforce the lie that nudity should be hidden.

[Stu2630]

the lie that nudity should be hidden.

"Hidden" is misleading - nudity should occur in places and circumstances where it can reasonably be expected and will not offend, which is not quite the same as "hidden".

You want to remove that limitation - that places you in a very tiny minority because most people don't.

Responsible nudists understand that.

Stu

[NudeWiking]

"There is nothing healthy in making public those parts which the rest of us would prefer you kept private"
??????????????????????????
So why is it unhealthy??
To who?
In what way?
Whats unhealthy today is how young people believe they should look like. Fashion shows, pornography, comercials and photoshopped pics in magazines has completely misleaded people into believing they are fat, to short, not muscular enought, has to small breasts etc. Seing a naked natural body may be a shock but I believe a healthy shock making you aware of how the human body looks when aging, that nobody looks as perfect as in the mags and there is nothing wrong with having pupic hair or hair in the armpits, sporting a few kg to much or signs of giving birth to a couple of wonderfull children. I think nudity, especially on beaches is only unhealthy to the economy of swimsuit sellers (and ditto manufacturers).
Best regards

[Stu2630]

"There is nothing healthy in making public those parts which the rest of us would prefer you kept private"
?????????????????????????? So why is it unhealthy? To who? In what way?

I don't know whether you are referring to Mark Dooley's article, or my commentary on it.

Just to be clear, what I said was this: "When he says: 'There is nothing healthy in making public those parts which the rest of us would prefer you kept private' - then, in the strict literal sense, I agree with him. I do not think nudity is healthy - or unhealthy: in health terms, it is neutral. Consequently, it is absolutely fine in a nudist context but not so in the wider public sphere."

Mr Dooley wasn't clear as to who he was targeting with his remark. If he is talking about public nudity generally, then I agree that it's not something I wish to encounter when using public places. However, if he is criticising responsible naturists enjoying naturist venues, then that is not a view I share.

Stu

[NudeWiking]

I was referring to the comment I quoted. English is not my first language so subtleties pass easily without notice so reading the sentence and reading between the lines I understood "nothing healthy" as meaning its unhealthy in some way or another. Therefor my comment. I think the way most people look at naturism and the way they react on seeing nude people is the result of an unhealthy look on how our body should look.
best regards
Søren

[Stu2630]

Søren

I understood "nothing healthy" as meaning its unhealthy in some way or another

Yes, it can mean that: in other words, it can be a kind of ironic understatement, rather like saying "There is nothing healthy about smoking 20 cigarettes a day"..

However, I didn't interpret it that way in this particular article; I interpreted it literally. There is nothing inherently unhealthy in being nude in social situations so far as i know, so long as the motivation for it is not sexual etc.

Stu