Re: Naked man arrested for causing 'an alarm'
Not quite. 61 is "older" by some standards, but it's the thought process that's young. No, I haven't forgotten. If I had, I wouldn't have stayed in nudism for 32 years.
Originally Posted by Sanslines
Older people won't, either. How old is the current "hero" of some posters in these boards, Stephen Gough? According to Wikipedia, he was born in 1959, which would make him around 52. One-time activist / publicity-seeker Vincent Bethell was reported to be in his late 20s when he did his thing around 2000-01, but he has seemed to fade from the scene.
Young people are not going to conform to all of society's rules. Many will rebel one way or another.
At my age, you CAN rebel! This is probably why you find so many older people at nudist venues -- camps, resorts, and skinny dipping holes -- and a dearth of twenty-somethings.
A bit of a problem here, Sanslines. Young people don't join organizations like AANR, to be sure. Older people don't either, or they're staying away (or dying off). If you've looked at AANR membership numbers of late, you'd know that.
Young people are also not going to stop skinny dipping in illegal or inappropriate places (which include just about all naturist places except private AANR clubs or private property). If you wonder why so many young people do not join organizations like AANR, it is because they will not conform to grandpa's rules and would be bored to death in such places.
BUT -- those "young skinny dippers" aren't to be found ANYWHERE. Sure, CFI can get them together for a video -- but I assure you, if you go to a nude beach, or a nude gathering -- you're not going to find very many, with very few exceptions.
Oddly enough - at the resort/club where the Canadian Naturist Festival was held, there were people of all ages there. Haven't seen that in a number of years.
But if you go to the Ledges, you won't find a lot of young people there, either. Or any nude venue.
Agreed, except those youngsters won't get involved with ANY nudism, at all.
There really is no mystery as to why youngsters will not become involved with alleged appropriate (whatever that is) nudism in AANR clubs. The only way to understand this rational is to either be young or young thinking. Youth is not only a number, but it is also a midset as I know several 80 and 90 year olds who have never stopped thinking young.
Oh I certainly did rebel. I don't criticize everything that is, whatever the hell you think is "appropriate nudism". Now appropriate BEHAVIOR -- that's something else. Walking naked by a school, driving through a Mickey Ds drive-up in the nude, is inappropriate BEHAVIOR.
I bet at one time you were young and did rebel. Now that you are older, you criticize rebelling or anything that falls outside the narrow scope of appropriate nudism.
But the reason I'd object -- people in the general public tend to associate us with these self-appointed "pioneers" with nudists. They do not help.
This is to be contrasted -- CONTRASTED, mind you -- with, say, civil rights and gay rights pioneers, who had not only the law of the land on their side, but reason, and public sympathy. Martin Luther King had supporters in all quarters. He reasoned, and engaged in high-profile civil disobedience, along with hundreds, and sometimes thousands of others. Stephen Gough ain't MLK.
Please, don't stereotype me as an old guy who doesn't understand. I **DO** understand politics, public opinion, and the art of persuasion in business and in politics.
And I do understand that a nudist park operator, or those who lobby for, or patronize a well-organized nude beach or venue, have a better chance of success of getting nudism accepted, or at worst, tolerated in the mainstream -- than some guy who walks around town naked or goes through Tim Horton's drive-up window with his pants down.
I don't think so. There aren't any nudist youngsters to criticize, even if I were in the mood to do so.
Rest assured that this is completely normal for throughout history the older generation has always criticized the younger generation - they dislike their music, clothing, language, dancing, attitude, etc and yet the younger generation always seems to grow older, conform to society's crushing standards, and become the next group to turn around and criticize the youngsters.
I'm not criticizing youngsters. I'm criticizing bad behavior. As I said, Gough is in his 50s. But if he were 75, I'd still criticize him. The guy who was arrested for walking nude near a school was not "youthfully rebelling" -- he was behaving badly.
The world of nudism, or naturism, can go FAR beyond sitting naked at a keyboard. If you never have tried nude recreation - or social nudism - you're missing out on some fantastic life experiences. TRY IT SOMETIME. Contact your local groups. You'll wonder why you didn't do so sooner.