Re: Naked man arrested for causing 'an alarm'
Nimrod, a conversation I can engage in and enjoy.
Nay, nay! Just mentioned it. This is not an argument, but a discussion and exchange of ideas.
Originally Posted by nimrod
But also, it's more than a "mode of dress" issue. Wearing a hajib, yarmulke, veil, clerical garb, even a necktie, is somewhat different than having the right to go nude in public. I might add -- that I know of no industrialized country where nudity is accepted anywhere. The rights for women to wear pants, or a veil, or short sleeves in school, and so forth, have to be contrasted against something that's prohibited nearly everywhere on planet Earth.
But it is a social issue, it is about rights. As I have said before, not the same as race, but closer to religious rights. Not a chosen mode of living, it is about not letting society dictate how to dress, or not as the case may be.
Or the media would ignore it a second time. Or, if it became repetitive, anti-topfree legislation would loom. Re Brattleboro.
(re Farmington topless march
It is sad to see that they tried once and gave up. One attempt will not work, it has to be many. Once is an abnormality, more trends towards normal.
AND THEN ...
The point I was trying to make from the start is that if nudity was more normalized it would not matter where he was nude. But him being near a school was incidental not intentional.
OK, there's an inconsistency here. When a young man walks around town - and near a school - nude -- it's OK, but when someone comes in from out of town and walks down a Main Street - it's "idiots taking advantage of a good thing" ???? The only differences between the guy whose alleged actions started this thread off, and those who did similar things in Brattleboro, Vermont, are the ages of those who participated (and their residences).
The situation at Brattleboro was one of some idiots taking advatage of a good thing. Two things that I can think of that went wrong there was the men coming into the town from out of state, and going into private business' nude. It should have been an example of what is right and using that example to try to change things in your own town.
You can't have it both ways. The reaction in Brattleboro was similar to that in the other place, except that in Brattleboro no laws were broken.
You might need money to take a nudist vacation -- that's true. Taking a week's vacation in Florida, or Palm Springs, or Jamaica, or Cuba, etc. does cost money. But you do NOT need money to do some of the things that mrslurk and did -- seeking out places to gather. While it does cost some money to do non-landed things, the cost of attending a typical nudist gathering for a day is not exorbitant. Most of the gatherings I get to go to cost $15 a person, or $25 a couple. If there's dinner, etc., involved, the cost goes up, obviously.
Why so angry? I do not have the money to do what you have done. My biggest contribution is trying to convince people that nudity is nothing to be ashamed of, it can be and often is non-sexual, and does not have to be hidden.
And other than a few gallons of gas, landing the site that has been used for 15 years cost us nothing. As far as promoting nudism, I might add that mrslurk and I staged an "Ice Breaker" dinner at an area restaurant - a non-nude event, inviting couples who might have a reluctant spouse to meet nudists in a clothed, no pressure, ordinary social environment. That cost us nothing, save for a few flyers printed on my laser printer, and our personal restaurant checks. And if someone couldn't afford dinner out, the cost of a soft drink, or coffee, or a brew, would likely be picked up by someone else.
These are things ANYONE can do -- and they're affordable. A day at a nudist resort is also affordable for most single people. In fact, looking at your locale, Yucaipa, CA is only 20 miles from Olive Dell Ranch ....where grounds fees are listed at $16 a day -- $10 for AANR members and students. That's not unaffordable - for nearly anyone. If you can't afford $16 once in awhile to go to a nudist park, or a similar fee to attend another gathering, I don't have an answer for you.
Except - perhaps - you CAN get together and have your own nudist group. We have pot luck gatherings here, and often accept invites to attend them at other people's homes.
Summary - ANYONE can participate in nudism, and the best way to advance it is to DO IT.
Last edited by usuallylurk; 09-29-2012 at 06:39 PM.
The world of nudism, or naturism, can go FAR beyond sitting naked at a keyboard. If you never have tried nude recreation - or social nudism - you're missing out on some fantastic life experiences. TRY IT SOMETIME. Contact your local groups. You'll wonder why you didn't do so sooner.