Making naturism more acceptable

[Steve]

I really dont see nudism as an equal rights issue. most nudists wear clothes. work in clothes, go outside in clothes.

so how can this be equal rights.

nudism is about nude recreation. that is relaxing. and this can be done away from people causing problems.

pretty hard to be relaxing causing fights and fielding insults

[Naturist Mark]

I really dont see nudism as an equal rights issue. most nudists wear clothes. work in clothes, go outside in clothes.

so how can this be equal rights.

nudism is about nude recreation. that is relaxing. and this can be done away from people causing problems.

pretty hard to be relaxing causing fights and fielding insults

I live over 6 hours drive from the nearest legal nude beach, I'm minutes away from any number of free textile beaches. Like most of my neighbors I can't even be naked on my own property, only indoors behind curtains. Seems to me that the 'right' of textiled people to have peaceable enjoyment of recreation is far better protected than those who prefer peaceable enjoyment while nude.

[Stu2630]

Mark

I live over 6 hours drive from the nearest legal nude beach, I'm minutes away from any number of free textile beaches. Like most of my neighbors I can't even be naked on my own property, only indoors behind curtains. Seems to me that the 'right' of textiled people to have peaceable enjoyment of recreation is far better protected than those who prefer peaceable enjoyment while nude.

I know we usually disagree, but on this one I am 100% on your side. You live near a number of beaches and yet NOT A SINGLE ONE offers you the option to enjoy it in your chosen state? So you have to drive for 6-hours, presumably passing mile upon mile of the banks of Lake Erie to find a nude beach.

That is absolutely disgraceful. It is also absolutely unnecessary.

I live in a far more sparsely populated place than you, and yet I have one nudist beach about 10 minutes drive from my home, another couple half an hour up the same road in opposite directions, and I know there are a couple of lakes within 45 minutes to an hour's drive away that have a clothing optional bathing facility - no doubt with toilets, camping tables etc.

Getting a nude beach closer to your home is a battle you should fight and win.

Stu

[Steve]

Mark

you will have to forgive me, but I am not into beaches PERIOD.

I just find them boring.

you have a couple options though:

you could relocate

you could campaign for areas within those beaches.

granted I dont know that much about Ohio-though I have visited the state.

regarding where you live. Again, you could relocate, or on your own property ensure you have privacy so your neighbors cant view your back yard.

you could also ask your neighbors if they dont mind.

but I think the important thing is that you choose of your own free will to live in a textile society-so you have to either adapt to that society or you have the freedom to relocate to another society.

now, likely that will mean a nudist resort

[Steve]

Mark



I know we usually disagree, but on this one I am 100% on your side. You live near a number of beaches and yet NOT A SINGLE ONE offers you the option to enjoy it in your chosen state? So you have to drive for 6-hours, presumably passing mile upon mile of the banks of Lake Erie to find a nude beach.

That is absolutely disgraceful. It is also absolutely unnecessary.

I live in a far more sparsely populated place than you, and yet I have one nudist beach about 10 minutes drive from my home, another couple half an hour up the same road in opposite directions, and I know there are a couple of lakes within 45 minutes to an hour's drive away that have a clothing optional bathing facility - no doubt with toilets, camping tables etc.

Getting a nude beach closer to your home is a battle you should fight and win.

Stu

Stu

this is much easier said than done.

this is the USA not Sweden

it would be tough, but depending where the beach is perhaps not impossible.

perhaps a more remote area of the beach. but again I am not familar with the beach area Mark refers to.

[nimrod]

It's perfectly simple. Nudity should only be a personal choice. Anything else is bullying.

Yes, but that is what the textiles here like to do, bully the nudist into their very narrow view of what is reasonable and acceptable.

[nimrod]

nudism is about nude recreation. that is relaxing.

That is your view on what nudism is, not every nudist would agree with you, I for one do not. For me it is about being nude in a non-sexual manner. And even if it was only nude recreation, throwing a Frisbee in a park would fall into that catagory, it only causes a problem because people choose to be offended.

[nimrod]

Mark

you will have to forgive me, but I am not into beaches PERIOD.

I just find them boring.

you have a couple options though:

you could relocate

you could campaign for areas within those beaches.

granted I dont know that much about Ohio-though I have visited the state.

regarding where you live. Again, you could relocate, or on your own property ensure you have privacy so your neighbors cant view your back yard.

you could also ask your neighbors if they dont mind.

but I think the important thing is that you choose of your own free will to live in a textile society-so you have to either adapt to that society or you have the freedom to relocate to another society.

now, likely that will mean a nudist resort

And why is it that nudists must make all the consesions?

[Stu2630]

And why is it that nudists must make all the consesions?

Textiles make concessions by giving over designated areas just for nudists to enjoy, and leaving nudists alone to enjoy them.

Nudists make concessions by ensuring that they only use those places, or other places where they can be reasonably sure they won't cause offence.

Stu

[Naturist Mark]

The closet legal nude beach to me is Mazo in Wisconsin - several states away. 6 hours is a very optimistic travel time. There is also Sleeping Bear Dunes in Western Michigan, about 6 hours away - on federal land where nudity is not technically illegal, but where you might be arrested by local law enforcement anyway. There is nothing on the US portion of Lake Erie.

Textiles don't have to move or purchase property or erect privacy barriers to enjoy their own yards. You can not argue that the rights of nudists and textiles are the same when it comes to equivalent choices in recreation.