Family Photos.. What to do?

hemdale · #1 04-22-2003, 11:00 PM

I read the artical at this link a few days ago
http://www.dallasobserver.com/issues...l/1/index.html

And I would like to invite folks here to brainstorm what we can do to change the witch hunting mentality we have in America today. I admit that this is such a complicated problem that I don't know where to start. And no a digital camera is not the solution.

Hemdale

hemdale · #2 04-22-2003, 11:00 PM

I read the artical at this link a few days ago
http://www.dallasobserver.com/issues...l/1/index.html

And I would like to invite folks here to brainstorm what we can do to change the witch hunting mentality we have in America today. I admit that this is such a complicated problem that I don't know where to start. And no a digital camera is not the solution.

Hemdale

missouriboy · #3 04-23-2003, 02:57 AM

I too just finished this article, and am once again reminded how deplorable and disgusting this situation is. There is probably already someone doing what you suggest, and the best way for us to help is to contribute to them, if we don't have any particular expertise ourselves.

Who might be doing this? The Naturist Education Foundation (NEF, within TNS) possibly, or some other similar organization, maybe? Does anyone here know?

Yes, law enforcement agencies countrywide are in dire need of some common-sense guidelines about family privacy, and ordinary nudism, being totally disconnected from child pornography and/or child abuse of any kind.

TXK NUDE · #4 04-23-2003, 04:52 AM

I agree that something should be done. I just read the articel to my wife, who knows a lot about social services, and even she was amazed at the behavior of the CPS and police! I think that if TNS, AANR, or any other major nudist organization that has a political lobby for nude recreation, should also have one for educating law enforcement about nudism, and what is acceptable/unacceptable about nudity. It's time our police and protective services learned the truth about the naked body!

fred950 · #5 04-23-2003, 05:02 AM

m-b, you are right, that was disgusting. Since when (at least in the USA) do we have a presumption of guilt and the accused required to prove innocence? Shoot first, ask questions later seems to be the norm in family "services" all over,not just in Texas. But it's to "protect" the childern donncha know. God protect us from the experts.

nudeM · #6 04-23-2003, 06:53 AM

All comments so far about Child Protective Services (CPS) have been right on. Personally, I believe CPS is the communist arm of the Government that uses the children to further their agendas. As my wife puts it, "The agency is here to protect the children, but who protects the children from CPS)? True, there are some instances that the agency is there at the right time, but over all, they have caused nothing but hatred and family breakups. We have been involved with them for the past three years (the cases I will not mention), and each and every time when there is a court appearance, the stories change to benefit their case. Heaven forbid, if they only knew my wife and I like to go nude when the kids are away.

Sorry, but I had to vent. Hopefully hw won't read this post, for she could write and entire novel about the abuses of CPS and their bold tactics they use. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif[/img]

Dude in Nor Cal · #7 04-23-2003, 07:33 AM

My "big issue" isn't clothes freedom but the drug war. It's amazing how closely related the two are in this case. The "big brother" syndrome works whether you take naked pictures of your kids or smoke a joint on your couch. My advice to everyone who read this article and was as appalled as me is: don't buy into the snitch culture! If you see your neighbor do something that's illeal but he isn't hurting anyone else, let it slide. If you're on a jury and you're asked to convict someone of a victimless crime, acquit.
Real kiddie porn is not a victimless crime of course, and getting your kids taken away because you took nude pics of them is about as dumb as losing your kids because you smoke pot. If we want to resist the big brother who watches our pictures, then we also need to watch out for the big brother who arrests us for doing drugs because it's the SAME BIG BROTHER!! If you don't agree with this woman being punished the way she was, then it is your duty to oppose the drug war and any other invasion of personal freedoms- otherwise you will lose the freedoms you want (like the freedom to take naked pics of your kids) not just the freedom you don't (like the freedom to smoke a joint).

Nude in MT · #8 04-23-2003, 09:37 AM

Just this weekend I was viewing childhood photos with my girlfriend. I was totally surprised at how many nude photos there were of me and my brother. Especially given that my memory as far back as I can think is that my mother is very uptight about nudity. I guess that just applies to after puberty.

The whole thing was quite a positive experience really. Mom was slightly embarrassed, commenting about how times have changed and those photos could cause great legal trouble. My girlfriend was very positive about the whole issue. She did not respond with any kind of shock or embarrassment and did not turn those pages faster or slower than any other.

So, I think that might serve to guide how I approach the subject of nudism with my family (and especially my girlfriend). It is back to those innocent days when the body was not something bad to be hidden.

I totally agree that the witch hunt mentality has gone quite overboard. Will they come after nudist families next? After all, parent and child nude together has to be as harmful as a photo of a 15 month old escaping from the bathtub wearing nothing but a derby cap.

hw · #9 04-23-2003, 10:04 AM

In reference to what nudeM said.....I usually refer to CPS as CPMS! This agency has no one to answer to! They lie, to cover up what they are doing. And it seems to be their main goal is to tear families apart! Don't get me started.... this is one horror story you don't want to hear! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif[/img]

hemdale · #10 04-23-2003, 09:16 PM

And that is much of the problem, the CPS and the police make money and create jobs through the business of investigating these cases.

The average american thinks were there's smoke there might be fire and better to be safe then sorry later on.

This is the problem that needs to be brain stormed. How to pass laws that will protect parents and children? How to to do an end run around the the lobbyist for the CPS, police, and conservative right?

All of this needs to be done while still protecting children from abuse. Many are the days that I wish I could have had someone intervene to protect myself and brothers and sisters from my mother who believed that corporal punishment was the only way to correct a child's behavior. She never would have gotten away with it today.

Hemdale