Sex and hedonism will destroy the naturist lifestyle

[Willynillyuk]

The line between nudism and sex is blurred. All nudists bar a handful have a sexual side, otherwise we would have no kids between us. The question is separating the two nude elements.

I suppose it comes down to attitude. the naturists are far too tolerant whereas the swingers are selfish, ignorant and lacking in intelligence.

So let us back up that statement.

My own experience is that there are too many heterosexual couples who frame single males for the very obscenities they themselves carry out 24/7 and then have the gall to deliberately exaggerate the instances of child abuse to drive families out of the lifestyle; all this so they can corner our beaches for their own disgusting swinging parties.

Let us not forget recent reports of rampant orgies being carried out by swinging couples within yards of families and children on the main naturist beach at Cap d'Agde, to the point where the most angered naturists may be responsible for revenge arson attacks on the swingers' clubhouse.

This is what it has come to!

In recruiting for my family beach eventing project, as soon as I see the word "couple" it rings alarm bells. It should not be like that. Most childless couples, although not as altruistic and social as "parents", are perfectly good true naturists. But while the hedonists are partying on our lawns there will be mistrust.

Without the nudist beaches and clubs, there is no venue for the swingers. So why do they insist on cooking the goose that lays the golden egg? Once true naturist evaporates the only people sharing the beaches with this hedonist trash will be the police.

The swingers must go and fast! They have no conscience. Therefore to defend itself true naturism has to become equally single-minded and militant. There has to be a zero-tolerance drive on every naturist site. Any erection, genital-close-up, headless-body-emphasis photo has to be met with expulsion. No exception; no second chance!

Only when we are no longer discussing this on a pure nudist forum can we consider the job done.

Hugs, Will

[Running Bear]

Originally Posted by Willynillyuk

...I suppose it comes down to attitude. the naturists are far too tolerant whereas the swingers are selfish, ignorant and lacking in intelligence.

...The swingers must go and fast! They have no conscience. Therefore to defend itself true naturism has to become equally single-minded and militant. There has to be a zero-tolerance drive on every naturist site. Any erection, genital-close-up, headless-body-emphasis photo has to be met with expulsion. No exception; no second chance!
Hugs, Will

This generalisation is wrong and dangerous.
Most swingers, like naturists, have a desire to undertake their chosen activity with respect to other swingers and members of the public. It is the very few and unwanted swingers that upset everybody.
Rather than fighting them we need to be working together to improve the current situation. Swingers have a code of conduct that is identical to the British Naturism nude acceptance policy statement so there are many similarities not differences.
Naturists and swingers must remove the unwanted element from our beaches not create a war between us.
An intolerant attitude will harm naturism not enhance it. As naturists we are by nature very tolerant of peoples bodies so that shame does not harm our social development. Sex is part of our social development and we must not allow shame to make us intolerant. If you fancy Shaun the sheep then who am I to say it is wrong?
The prejudice wording says tolerance of people "regardless of their sexual preference". This infers homosexuals or married but also includes swingers and the like.
<<Naturist here not swinger>>

[garbo]

Willynillyuk:
The line between nudism and sex is blurred only to non-nudists! This is undoubtedly why so few try nudism and probably the biggest reason that reluctant spouses are reluctant!

I have never been to the Cap, but I have not heard of much swinger activity here in Florida. The single exception is a resort on the west coast of Florida that supposedly has promoted to swinger groups to keep attendance up. Friends who have stayed at that particular resort reported no activity that they were aware of.

At a open discussion group at the resort I frequent, we discussed the many misconceptions non-nudists have regarding nudism. Undoubtedly, the purpose to create new marketing ideas aimed at non-nudists. Sex was at the top of the list, swinger activity was near the bottom. Maybe things are different here??

[richo]

I think the worst thing that nudists or naturists can do it demonize sex. In appropriate circumstances, there's nothing wrong with intimacy or sexual activity. However, that doesn't include family-oriented environments or wide-open public beaches. If it's an adult-only resort, I honestly don't see why a couple doing whatever off in the bushes somewhere matters.

That's also not the same thing as swinging or orgies - and again, in the appropriate environment (where one is told to expect such), I don't see a problem with it. The only issue is when you expect *not* to see that sort of thing and come across it (especially with minors present).

[nickuma09]

think the worst thing that nudists or naturists can do it demonize sex. In appropriate circumstances, there's nothing wrong with intimacy or sexual activity. However, that doesn't include family-oriented environments or wide-open public beaches. If it's an adult-only resort, I honestly don't see why a couple doing whatever off in the bushes somewhere matters.

That's also not the same thing as swinging or orgies - and again, in the appropriate environment (where one is told to expect such), I don't see a problem with it. The only issue is when you expect *not* to see that sort of thing and come across it (especially with minors present).

i think you're right on...it's all about the environment and adhering to what it dictates. Undoubtedly there are some bad apples who make inappropriate advances in social nudist settings, but i think even among swingers that is a small minority and one shouldn't indict everyone who is into that lifestyle choice as bad--which is what alot of people seem to do.

[Naturist Zoar]

Isn't it always location, location, location?

[REMITROM]

I know this won't be a popular comment, but there is an overreaction on this board to people who like to be nude AND do consentual things with one another while they're conveniently nude.

I have no problem with people who want to run (and attend) "family oriented" facilities, but I also see no problem with those who want to run (and attend) an "adult" facility. Since both either require nudity or are clothing-optional; both should have the right to describe themselves as nudist or clothing-optional.

What I do have a problem with is that those "family oriented" facilities often frown on PDAs between adults. If they were unclothed, this beautiful expression of closeness and love between the Obamas wouldn't be permitted: i280.photobucket.com/.../barack-michelle3.jpg

We are approaching the second decade of the twenty-first century. If people in the textile world still can't distinguish between a "swingers club" and a true naturist facility they haven't tried and never will. It's also time for "family oriented" facilities to acknowledge that sex is here to stay and relax their standards about PDAs.

David Mortimer

[Oldman]

Originally Posted by REMITROM

What I do have a problem with is that those "family oriented" facilities often frown on PDAs between adults. If they were unclothed, this beautiful expression of closeness and love between the Obamas wouldn't be permitted: i280.photobucket.com/.../barack-michelle3.jpg

We are approaching the second decade of the twenty-first century. If people in the textile world still can't distinguish between a "swingers club" and a true naturist facility they haven't tried and never will. It's also time for "family oriented" facilities to acknowledge that sex is here to stay and relax their standards about PDAs.

David Mortimer

Hear! Hear!

A nude couple and a clothed couple in an affectionate, loving embrace. What is the difference? Nothing. Only in the minds of those observing who despite being "nudists" still have yet to shake the puritan concept that nudity equals sex.


My wife and I count ourselves lucky to be members of a club that rejoices at couples who can show their affection for each other. Hugs and Kisses amongst couples are not going to end the world. At our club, friends do embrace each other and it doesn't raise an eyebrow... just as it wouldn't if it occurred at a social textile event.

[Noodlebug]

I think it nudism is about anything, it is about respect and understanding and responsibility. Nudism is a culture, and just like any culture, there are a number of unwritten rules which are universally understood. Just type "Nudist Etiquette" into any search engine and you will find hundreds of thousands of lists, listing largely the same "Do's and Don'ts."

Of course just because the principles are well understood doesn't mean the details are not subject to deviation, everyone has their own idea about what "no overt sexual activity" means. And there are probably slightly less stringent rules at adult orientated resorts than family clubs and public beaches.

Most nudists, in my experience, go out of the way not to offend anyone. They put big fences around their properties, they only undress when they know nobody will object, and they avoid anything which might even remotely be considered sexual. I think it is better to err on the side of caution than to push the boundaries, particularly as we would all like to see more people accepting nudism as a perfectly legitimate recreational pursuit, and less people associating it with the lurid, sleazy image of sex and swingers.

No-one is suggesting all nudists should become eunochs, but (nudity apart) if it is inappropriate at your local golf club, then it's probably inappropriate in a nudist context.

[Running Bear]

Originally Posted by Noodlebug

...Most nudists, in my experience, go out of the way not to offend anyone. They put big fences around their properties, they only undress when they know nobody will object, and they avoid anything which might even remotely be considered sexual. I think it is better to err on the side of caution than to push the boundaries, particularly as we would all like to see more people accepting nudism as a perfectly legitimate recreational pursuit, and less people associating it with the lurid, sleazy image of sex and swingers.
No-one is suggesting all nudists should become eunochs, but (nudity apart) if it is inappropriate at your local golf club, then it's probably inappropriate in a nudist context.

Yes, we sometimes go over the top not to offend. Perhaps we need to relax and be more confident and consider that many people may not be offended.

Golf club? - bad example. A group of hedonists to be sure. Why do they have surveillance cameras on their golf courses to catch unsuspecting naturist ramblers?

One needs to consider the age-old idea of "If it is inappropriate when you are dressed then it should be inappropriate naked. The presence or absence of clothes should make no difference".